[Retired] The LCD Thread

[muppet22]

ok i got my 275t+ yesterday, and it is too big! !

even worse, the screen is too high. i need a higher chair and i need to try taking the stand off..

other than that, the black levels are beautiful and the colors look great. 1 dead pixel

 

[muppet22]

i'm undecided on the input lag so far..
when i do those reaction speed tests online i take about 285-300ms, instead of 185-200ms

 

[nevbie]

Originally posted by: muppet22
when i do those reaction speed tests online i take about 285-300ms, instead of 185-200ms

Now that's a pretty good measurement actually. Thanks for writing it aloud, it never crossed my mind.

 

[humanure]

just got the samsung 2232 bw and I don't like it, the top half of the monitor is much darker than the bottom, nothing I do seems to make a difference. Is this just the nature of the tn panel or does anyone else notice this. I had a 204b(also tn ) and it looked much better.

 

[j0j081]

Originally posted by: humanure
just got the samsung 2232 bw and I don't like it, the top half of the monitor is much darker than the bottom, nothing I do seems to make a difference. Is this just the nature of the tn panel or does anyone else notice this. I had a 204b(also tn ) and it looked much better.

well if you position it correctly it should look pretty even unless you are viewing it from different angles all the time. if you are looking at it straight on and one half is a lot darker there is probably something wrong with it. you should wait for the new model the 2253bw anyway if you are getting a Samsung. you can order it online at several places now but I'd recommend getting it from a store.

 

[humanure]

Originally posted by: j0j081

Originally posted by: humanure
just got the samsung 2232 bw and I don't like it, the top half of the monitor is much darker than the bottom, nothing I do seems to make a difference. Is this just the nature of the tn panel or does anyone else notice this. I had a 204b(also tn ) and it looked much better.

well if you position it correctly it should look pretty even unless you are viewing it from different angles all the time. if you are looking at it straight on and one half is a lot darker there is probably something wrong with it. you should wait for the new model the 2253bw anyway if you are getting a Samsung. you can order it online at several places now but I'd recommend getting it from a store.

I can make it look somewhat better by changing the position, but any slight movement off center and it looks terrible. No matter what I do it seems like the top is darker than the bottom to some extent. Guess I'll take the 15% restock charge at BB and get something else.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: xtknight
Well actually the BenQ G2400W is supposed to be as good or better (no pro reviews yet). It's even cheaper and no rebate needed. You may want to give it a shot. http://www.newegg.com/Product/...4158&Tpk=benq%2bg2400w

The Newegg reviews are excellent. Give the G2400W a try, I say. Some type of a review here: http://www.drainweb.com/?p=95#more-95

Other infos here: http://www.hardforum.com/showt...37718&highlight=g2400w

Direct comparison here, better in every category than 245BW(=245B): http://www.digitalversus.com/d...6&mo2=245&p2=2334&ph=1

I'm real compelled to put this on my official list real soon.

I just ordered the BenQ G2400W. It should arrive by Friday.

I will report back after testing it out.

MotionMan

 

[redlinez33]

humanure just exchange it for something else, no restocking fee that way.

 

[j0j081]

Originally posted by: humanure

Originally posted by: j0j081

Originally posted by: humanure
just got the samsung 2232 bw and I don't like it, the top half of the monitor is much darker than the bottom, nothing I do seems to make a difference. Is this just the nature of the tn panel or does anyone else notice this. I had a 204b(also tn ) and it looked much better.

well if you position it correctly it should look pretty even unless you are viewing it from different angles all the time. if you are looking at it straight on and one half is a lot darker there is probably something wrong with it. you should wait for the new model the 2253bw anyway if you are getting a Samsung. you can order it online at several places now but I'd recommend getting it from a store.

I can make it look somewhat better by changing the position, but any slight movement off center and it looks terrible. No matter what I do it seems like the top is darker than the bottom to some extent. Guess I'll take the 15% restock charge at BB and get something else.

Our Best Buy doesn't have a restocking fee on monitors. Are you sure yours does? It's only Circuit City that does the 15%

 

[jae]

help.. please...

 

[Mucks]

@xtnight:

I'm looking at maybe getting a 24 inch monitor to replace my Samsung SyncMaster 172x - I was considering the Dell 2408WFP, Samsung 245BW and the BenQ G2400W. I'd be using it to watch movies, do school work, and perhaps occasionally hook up an X-box 360. Nothing special. My system is pretty old as well... I'm packing an Radeon 9800 Pro 128 mb gfx card. I think these monitors are all supported by this card? Also, I'm not sure I'm willing to spend the extra $270 for the Dell vs a BenQ... but I may just splurge. What do you recommend?

 

[JASTECH]

Originally posted by: humanure

Originally posted by: xtknight
I was thinking of destroying categories and simply making a list of LCDs. Each entry to the list would include ratings for the LCD as it performs in gaming, movies, print matching, photo editing, and others (probably a 10-denominator rating system). Would this make it easier for you guys to choose what is right for you? I do have a lot of redundancy on the recommendations list as is.

This may also allow me to add other LCDs more liberally even if they just have low ratings. That will help people see how the lower end LCDs stack up.

Which way would you rather have it?

I think this would help, keep them organized by screen size and add the comments.

+1
I too think this would help tremendously!

 

[redlinez33]

Ordered the Planar 26" from dell, should be here by end of the week, cant wait! Will post opinions... I hope this is the monitor I have been looking for, otherwise I give up and will settle for the 245BW.

 

[xtknight]

CeBIT 2008: OLED Viewing Angles...check it out

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: brencat

Originally posted by: xtknight
This is a little more than you'd want to spend but I think it would be a great choice: http://www.pcconnection.com/IP...4110944&ci_sku=8290284

I haven't seen reviews on it but it's extremely rare that Eizo monitors wouldn't give you great graphics performance. This is what they're built for. That's an S-PVA, sRGB panel.

@xtknight, what's the input lag on something like this? Would you/could you use this for FPS gaming? Damn, 5yr warranty on Eizo...nice.

Now that I actually realize the S2201W is a TN panel, it doesn't look like such a good deal!

Only the S2231W is S-PVA (I think). If you look at the viewing angle specs the S2201W appears the same as the S2231W until you look at the 10:1 rating. There, it's lower than the S2231W meaning a TN panel (and this is confirmed at several other sites). False advertising at its best...(although NEC did this, at least it wasn't in their expensive line of monitors).

I updated OP viewing angle section about this.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: infinitesymphony
I'm looking for a 20-22" monitor for $250- or less, mostly for business/casual (non-gaming) purposes. I've been eyeing the Acer AL2216Wbd, which appears to use a Chi-Mei TN panel. Are there any monitors in that size/price range that would top it?

Not that I know of. I believe the AL2216wbd is the best deal here.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: jae
College student.. In apartment-style dormitory.. Computer is my bedroom's television (PVR card), stereo (Klipsch 5.1), and sometimes educational use ;-P. Building a HTPC this summer, but desperately in need of new monitor! Current is an unbelievably blurry Dell CRT, sometimes I have to goto lab because I begin to get a headache.

Should I go for 19-24" HDCP (SP?) LCD monitor or 19-22" 720p tv? Would like to spend about $200 (no more than $250 though).

Definitely monitor I think. Your best choice may be the Acer AL2216WBD.

Not many other choices in this price range besides other cheaper 22" TNs or 19"s. I believe the Acer AL2216WBD is the best of these options by a good margin.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: zod96
After all this debating the last 2 weeks over which 22 inch I should get, I finally stuck with my old nec 20wmgx2 it still has the best colors out of all the ones I looked at and best view angles..Anyone know what NEC's policy is on dead and stuck pixels on the 20wmgx2?

I don't know, but usually calling them up yields the best results. Sometimes they are more forgiving that way, at least I've heard several stories like that. You'll probably end up exchanging for a refurb though.

Originally posted by: muppet22
i'm undecided on the input lag so far..
when i do those reaction speed tests online i take about 285-300ms, instead of 185-200ms

Interesting.

Originally posted by: humanure
just got the samsung 2232 bw and I don't like it, the top half of the monitor is much darker than the bottom, nothing I do seems to make a difference. Is this just the nature of the tn panel or does anyone else notice this. I had a 204b(also tn ) and it looked much better.

If you got a CMO panel (likely), it may be more model-specific. CMO panels in the 2232BW tend to have lots of backlight bleeding (at least lately).

Originally posted by: Mucks
@xtnight:

I'm looking at maybe getting a 24 inch monitor to replace my Samsung SyncMaster 172x - I was considering the Dell 2408WFP, Samsung 245BW and the BenQ G2400W. I'd be using it to watch movies, do school work, and perhaps occasionally hook up an X-box 360. Nothing special. My system is pretty old as well... I'm packing an Radeon 9800 Pro 128 mb gfx card. I think these monitors are all supported by this card? Also, I'm not sure I'm willing to spend the extra $270 for the Dell vs a BenQ... but I may just splurge. What do you recommend?

As long as it has DVI output, it should support them, yes. Although if the single-link DVI isn't strong enough you might need a newer card with dual-link DVI. I think it should be fine, though.

The G2400W may be the best deal for you. The 2408WFP has had uniformity issues AFAIK.

If you're going to spend that much more, then get the ViewSonic VX2435wm which I think is worth it: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...824116079&Tpk=vx2435wm

The ViewSonic appears to have a few quirks but none too serious. And it has lots of video inputs.

The ViewSonic would have higher contrast, a better viewing angle, and probably more accurate color. And it may be better for watching movies.

Xbox hookup is pretty hard to guarantee with any monitor because a lot of them have issues dealing with inputs.

 

[cmurph]

xtknight,

First let me say thank you for running this post its is truly amazing to read through this and the time you have invested/doing this is very much appreciated. I have spent the last 3 hours on here and plan to spend a bunch more time.

I do have a quick question I currently have a Dell 2000FP purchase over 4 years ago. This monitor cost me arm when I purchased it and has served me very well. It has been switched on for most of its life but is starting to blink out on me. It still runs fine but about every hour and sometimes less it blacks out on my (started last month). All lights indicate its still on and I can power it off and power it right back on and it comes back to life but its starting to get really annoying. I really can not complain this monitor has literarily been running for some 30, 000+ hours with out being turned off for more then a hour in any given month. - Sometimes spending the extra really can pay off.

On with the question - Its time to start thinking replacement I do a lot of photo editing and it will be the primary purpose here. I did some back ground on the monitor I have seems it is a
2000FP 20 S-IPS (true 8-bit) 1600×1200 DVI-D, HD15, S-Video, Composite 16 ms



Do you by chance know who made the panels for these as I believe I would like to stay with this manufacture - granted times change so I am not set in stone but would like to learn a bit more about what went into making this monitor I have as it has been really great.

Also any suitable replacements you could recommend would also be appreciated

Regards,
cmurph

 

[humanure]

Originally posted by: j0j081

Originally posted by: humanure

Originally posted by: j0j081

Originally posted by: humanure
just got the samsung 2232 bw and I don't like it, the top half of the monitor is much darker than the bottom, nothing I do seems to make a difference. Is this just the nature of the tn panel or does anyone else notice this. I had a 204b(also tn ) and it looked much better.

well if you position it correctly it should look pretty even unless you are viewing it from different angles all the time. if you are looking at it straight on and one half is a lot darker there is probably something wrong with it. you should wait for the new model the 2253bw anyway if you are getting a Samsung. you can order it online at several places now but I'd recommend getting it from a store.

I can make it look somewhat better by changing the position, but any slight movement off center and it looks terrible. No matter what I do it seems like the top is darker than the bottom to some extent. Guess I'll take the 15% restock charge at BB and get something else.

Our Best Buy doesn't have a restocking fee on monitors. Are you sure yours does? It's only Circuit City that does the 15%

on the receipt the restock fee does not mention monitors, but they have a sticker on the box saying it is subject to the fee. I don't know what the deal is, I suppose I could argue that the receipt and their website states no fee, see what happens.

 

[Symmetriad]

Originally posted by: xtknight
I don't really know about the L220X; there's few reviews on it.

But, dual HP LP2065s are a good choice. There's a real good chance you'll end up with S-IPS panels (and even the AMVA panels are nice w/ regards to contrast). You're not going to find two 24"s for that much money but for under $1000 you could try the 26" Planar PX2611W. I don't know if that would take the place of two 20"s for you (in terms of resolution, not nearly) but it is also a very high quality S-IPS panel.

But dual 20" std. is probably the best dual monitor config worth getting these days. At least you can still run most latest games at 1600x1200.

There is a more expensive LP2065 model (the EF227A4 is more than the EF227A8). People say you're more likely to get S-IPS w/ the more expensive A4 but I don't know if that's true. I'm pretty sure many A8 users have received S-IPS panels.

I'm definitely going to have to consider the LP2065. I like how the 26" Planar looks, but I've grown very used to separating different tasks between my two monitors and I'd like to maintain that kind of functionality. I have one friend who keeps telling me that dual widescreens are really amazing, but I think I'd do just as well with these. Thanks!

 

[TVisitor]

CDW's ship date for my Planar has slipped from 3/5 to 3/13... :-( If it weren't for their no hassle return policy, I might look somewhere else - though I guess if they are out of stock, then there must be a big run on these things. Any clues?

 

[jawknee530]

Yesterday at my local Costco I saw the Samsung 245BW for 399.99 I considered picking it up but I have been wanting a Dell 2408 for some time now. Should I wait until I have a few more bucks and get the Dell? Right now I have a Dell Ultrasharp 2007FP and am worried that the Samsung won't give me as good picture quality. I mainly use my computer for: 1) Web Browsing 2) Gaming 3) Multimedia 4) School work.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: cmurph
xtknight,

First let me say thank you for running this post its is truly amazing to read through this and the time you have invested/doing this is very much appreciated. I have spent the last 3 hours on here and plan to spend a bunch more time.

I do have a quick question I currently have a Dell 2000FP purchase over 4 years ago. This monitor cost me arm when I purchased it and has served me very well. It has been switched on for most of its life but is starting to blink out on me. It still runs fine but about every hour and sometimes less it blacks out on my (started last month). All lights indicate its still on and I can power it off and power it right back on and it comes back to life but its starting to get really annoying. I really can not complain this monitor has literarily been running for some 30, 000+ hours with out being turned off for more then a hour in any given month. - Sometimes spending the extra really can pay off.

It sounds like the backlight or inverter is going out, but good to hear it has served you well since.

On with the question - Its time to start thinking replacement I do a lot of photo editing and it will be the primary purpose here. I did some back ground on the monitor I have seems it is a
2000FP 20 S-IPS (true 8-bit) 1600×1200 DVI-D, HD15, S-Video, Composite 16 ms



Do you by chance know who made the panels for these as I believe I would like to stay with this manufacture - granted times change so I am not set in stone but would like to learn a bit more about what went into making this monitor I have as it has been really great.

LG Philips makes the S-IPS panel in the 2000FP. S-IPS panels are usually true 8-bit and they have very wide viewing angles due to their nature. They also suck a little more power than other types but not by enough to worry about it. These days, S-IPS panels are quite rare and are only in expensive monitors mostly.

Also any suitable replacements you could recommend would also be appreciated

Regards,
cmurph

This is tough without knowing your budget but I could suggest the Dell 2007WFP, which comes with an S-PVA or S-IPS panel. If you're looking to get the same monitor only a little better, the HP LP2065 is a great choice (also comes w/ either AMVA or S-IPS).

I don't know if you'd be disappointed with an S-PVA panel. Overall, I doubt you'd be disappointed but with the LP2065 you have a better chance of getting an S-IPS.

Other than that, if you were to upgrade to a bigger S-IPS panel you'd be spending $800+. Probably not what you had in mind?

Let me know what you think.

 

[nisya]

Originally posted by: noxis
But I am not an expert in this area. Just a normal user

That's what I am too. I had some bad experience with Dell 2007 FP so it makes me a little uneasy when buying a new monitor.
What about regularity of backlighting? One of the way to see it well is to open two (perhaps three on 24") documents next to each other. If backlighting is uneven then you will see one document as if on a shade "gray" paper.

As for no flaws in scrolling that's a real good piece of news. Some people complained on that, saying that even in Word there appeared for a fracture of a secons some thing horizontal lines.