[Retired] The LCD Thread

[j0j081]

Originally posted by: nevbie
"# New image scaling functionality for digital LCDs. These new drivers also introduce a "maintain aspect ratio" setting that conserves the aspect ratio of 4:3 or 5:4 full-screen images on wide-screen displays."

noted that while reading http://techreport.com/discussions.x/14287 about catalyst 8.3

Is that the same thing Nvidia has had for centuries?

 

[cheinonen]

Originally posted by: Davez621
What's all this talk about 8-bit LCD panels? I have always known 16.7 million color as 24-bit color. At least in windows:

32-bit (true) = 4B
24-bit (true) = 16.7M
16-bit (high) = 65k

So where does all this 8-bit and 6-bit business come from?

When a panel is 8-bit, that's 8-bits per color pixel (Red/Green/Blue), and with 3 making up a full pixel, that means with 8-bits per color, you get 24-bit color reproduction. So, 6-bit panels would be 18-bit color, if Windows had that option. Hopefully that clears it up for you.

 

[imported_elwood]

I've finally built myself a new computer! I had settled on the 245BW and told myself i would pick it up at sams club for $399 ($435 w/tax) right after i built my new system. Now my new system is built and i really can't see myself spending $435 on a monitor (i know thats on the low price end considering LCD's but it's still a lot of money for me).

So it's either wait for a deal on the 245BW or look into getting a 22" widescreen. My budget is somewhere around $300-$350. I'll be doing moderate gaming plus all the other things an average person uses a computer for.

I've seen that 24" BenQ and FHD2400 xtknight mentioned a few pages back but it's fairly hard to find either of those monitors locally and only a handful of online sites carry them.

What should i do, settle for a decent 22", wait for a deal on one of the aforementioned 24" ones, or stop being a cheap ass and pay the $435 for the samsung locally and be done with it?

Thanks for any help guys!


P.S. I am currently running dual 19" KDS X-flat CRT's. One is horribly blurry and the other is bearable. I currently have the really blurry monitor off my desk till i have the time to take it apart, for a second time in the last year, and adjust the focus to bearable again.

 

[nevbie]

Originally posted by: j0j081

Originally posted by: nevbie
"# New image scaling functionality for digital LCDs. These new drivers also introduce a "maintain aspect ratio" setting that conserves the aspect ratio of 4:3 or 5:4 full-screen images on wide-screen displays."

noted that while reading http://techreport.com/discussions.x/14287 about catalyst 8.3

Is that the same thing Nvidia has had for centuries?

Yes.

 

[muppet22]

oh wow that's huge..so no matter what video card i get i dont need to worry about stretched full-screen games??

 

[off1c3r]

I'm gonna test a Samsung 906BW (2ms gtg) and an LG L1933TR-SF (noted on the main page for its similarties to the 1960)...

I am a very sensitive person and picky with input lag. I came from using a CRT and being a pro player for CS 1.5 and up, CZ, and CS:S. (I was ex cal-i) so yeah I FEEL input lag from the style I play. I hope once I get them, i can set some minds at rest cause I still see a lot of questions floating around for those 2 monitors. Right now I use the HP lp2465 and I stopped playing FPS games. I turned up mouse acceleration to max and that helped a little bit with input lag to compenstate but its not enough. If I find these LCDs to be good solutions as a CRT replacement, I'll definantly post it. I should have them tomorrow.

 

[infinitesymphony]

xtknight, thanks for the response re: the Acer AL2216Wbd as best 20-22" monitor under $250. I'll probably go for it.

Just to add my own mini-review... I've been 100% satisfied with the now-discontinued NEC 90GX2 19" standard width monitor I bought for $215 on clearance at Newegg last year. It was my first LCD, and it's been great for gaming despite being a TN panel. It's a shame that NEC discontinued the GX series.

 

[muppet22]

Originally posted by: off1c3r
I'm gonna test a Samsung 906BW (2ms gtg) and an LG L1933TR-SF (noted on the main page for its similarties to the 1960)...

I am a very sensitive person and picky with input lag. I came from using a CRT and being a pro player for CS 1.5 and up, CZ, and CS:S. (I was ex cal-i) so yeah I FEEL input lag from the style I play. I hope once I get them, i can set some minds at rest cause I still see a lot of questions floating around for those 2 monitors. Right now I use the HP lp2465 and I stopped playing FPS games. I turned up mouse acceleration to max and that helped a little bit with input lag to compenstate but its not enough. If I find these LCDs to be good solutions as a CRT replacement, I'll definantly post it. I should have them tomorrow.

i've had 2 906BW's..both had backlight bleeding!! ;[

 

[Tasiin]

Well, my LP2065 just came in. It's a rev. 115 S-IPS (GSM002 code).

Still messing with it, but here are a few first impressions:

? It flickers significantly less than my 2007WFP. This actually came as quite a surprise. When looking at a fully gray background at the lagom.nl LCD test site, the difference is very clear. At 0 brightness, the Dell appears to have a massive rolling wave going through the background. The HP does flicker a little, but adjusting the brightness does little to affect it and it isn't even close to being as bad as the Dell. It could actually be used at 0 brightness comfortably, if necessary.

If anyone else owns an A04 S-IPS 2007WFP, I'd be curious to know what the large gray background on this page looks like for you. I wonder if my 2007WFP is just unusually bad.

? Mouse movement feels odd on the HP. I'm not sure if the LP2065 just has more input lag or if it's due to the difference in resolution. Does anyone know what the best way would be to compare input lag between the two monitors?

? The anti-glare coating is annoying. Can't really say if it's better or worse than the Dell's at this point -- they're both pretty bad. The HP's seems a bit "busier" on the desktop, but it's less noticeable in a game than the Dell's.

? There seems to be some difference in sharpness between the two. The Dell looks a bit grainy compared to the HP, but the HP seems to have a soft, almost CRT-like blur to the image. The Dell looks sharper to me. Not sure if this is due to the higher resolution or not.

? The standard aspect ratio of the HP is much preferable to widescreen on the desktop. I'm actually finding myself missing widescreen a little in games that make use of it, though I'm glad to not have to deal with the various compatibility issues and stretched interface elements that most older games have with it.

? The Dell appears to have a large number of horizontal bands running through it when it's displaying black. I have no idea what this is or if it's normal or not, but the HP doesn't have it at all, which is nice.

Not totally sure which one I want to keep yet. They both seem to have their merits, so this won't be an easy decision.

 

[j0j081]

for those of you complaining about backlight bleed with various lcds do you ever wait a few days and see if it gets any better? With the lcds I've tested over the past couple years it usually does seem to over time. Same thing with the colors in the first few days. No idea why though.

 

[colorblind]

Just curious has anybody tried this monitor the new BenQ T241W? Also how does one find out what type of panel it uses.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824014169

Basically looking for a good 24" monitor. All suggestions welcomed, price really is not an issue, thanks.

 

[zod96]

Anyone know what 24 inch lcd has the glossy screen and is a true 8 bit panel?

 

[off1c3r]

Originally posted by: muppet22

Originally posted by: off1c3r
I'm gonna test a Samsung 906BW (2ms gtg) and an LG L1933TR-SF (noted on the main page for its similarties to the 1960)...

I am a very sensitive person and picky with input lag. I came from using a CRT and being a pro player for CS 1.5 and up, CZ, and CS:S. (I was ex cal-i) so yeah I FEEL input lag from the style I play. I hope once I get them, i can set some minds at rest cause I still see a lot of questions floating around for those 2 monitors. Right now I use the HP lp2465 and I stopped playing FPS games. I turned up mouse acceleration to max and that helped a little bit with input lag to compenstate but its not enough. If I find these LCDs to be good solutions as a CRT replacement, I'll definantly post it. I should have them tomorrow.

i've had 2 906BW's..both had backlight bleeding!! ;[

OH, I am sorry to hear that. If mine has the bleed too.. then its official.. No fixed revisions yet =(

On the other hand, how is input lag and ghosting?

 

[JASTECH]

Originally posted by: zod96
Anyone know what 24 inch lcd has the glossy screen and is a true 8 bit panel?

I thought you already had a monitor selected?

 

[ClockHound]

Originally posted by: colorblind
Just curious has anybody tried this monitor the new BenQ T241W? Also how does one find out what type of panel it uses.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824014169

Basically looking for a good 24" monitor. All suggestions welcomed, price really is not an issue, thanks.

The price and specs speak TN: Viewing Angle = 160°(H) / 160°(V)

A FP241W it's not. If price is not an issue then the NEC 2490 is the suggestion.

There's a few new *VA / IPS at CeBit, so you could wait a bit. Although the 2490 would certainly tide you over.

 

[Tasiin]

I set up both displays in clone mode and I've been able to confirm what I felt: the LP2065 does indeed have more lag than the Dell.

Shot 1
Shot 2
Shot 3

The HP was the primary display, if it matters, and the Dell was set to 1280x1024 with the internal scaler disabled. The LP2065 was consistently behind in every picture I took, but the last two were the worst.

There also seems to be some issues with uniformity on my display -- there's a large patch near the bottom of the monitor that has a yellowish tint to it no matter what I do. Actually, the entire monitor either has a yellow or red tint that I've been unable to get rid of, despite my best efforts. I've managed to get most of the red dominance out with my current settings, but white still looks very yellowish in most areas.

I'm pretty disappointed with this, so far. I'm thinking of sending both of these back and either throwing in the towel until a better display technology is available or trying a Dell 2007FP. I have a friend that owns two recently purchased S-IPS 2007FPs and he says they have no issues with flickering, which was my biggest problem with the WFP. The FP's price just dropped significantly on Dell's site, which doesn't hurt either.

Buying a monitor has become an unbelievably frustrating experience in the last couple of years. I can't wait until there are better options than this.

 

[zod96]

The Lcd isn't for me...

 

[RobberBaron]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: RobberBaron
~Review frustrated~!

Trying to boil down all my options is killing me. Way too much info!

Ok so I am looking at 24 and above. Main application is gaming. MMO's and FPS. With the occasional web browsing. I have a decent video card 8800 GTS 512, so running a dual link 30 is an option.

My concerns: lag, correct color, easy of use and sharp text. In that order.

If any of you have a top three recommendation, please let me know.

1. Planar PX2611W (low input lag, everything else you want. easy #1)
2. ViewSonic VX2435wm (ok lag, more ghosting, fairly accurate color)
3. HP LP2465 (ok lag, less ghosting, less accurate color)

So I got my PX2611W yesterday. First I want to say, thanks to everyone, especially xtknight for all the detail and work maintaining this thread.

Quick review: PX2611W, its BIG. I came from a 22" CRT and its STILL a big LCD. No dead pixels or defects. Only change I made was drop the Brightness to 50. I dont have a color meter, so its hard to tell if any of the colors are off. IF they are, it isnt by much. I stretch the legs of my machine and ran several games, FPS and MMO, as well as 3Dmark. No negative comments on any of it. Everything is very vivid, sharp, and the detail is just something else. On that point, my CRT had a tendency to be dark. Having a few hours with it, I can say I did NOT see any ghosting, delay or what not. Only 'problem' I had was the FPS dropping during games, 1900x1200 is big, more related to hardware then the LCD. Games I used where Oblivion, HalfLife2, Team Fortress 2, Eve-online.

OSD controls are like any other monitor (crt or lcd) just something you have to get used to. Its on par, meaning I didnt hate it. Different settings for how your using it. Text, gaming, movies, etc.

Only disappointment (if you can call it that) is there is no software or monitor profiles to load. If anyone has any profiling for the PX2611W throw up the link. (probably look through the thread here for any links)

I did some movie tests, something to note I never watch movies on my machine, so the media player and or the dvd drive I had could be blame, I had some chop while playing movies, BUT the picture was what I would have expected.

I'll have some more time over the weekend to test it to the max, but honestly, running 3dmark was probably the best way to show it off.

 

[muppet22]

Originally posted by: j0j081
for those of you complaining about backlight bleed with various lcds do you ever wait a few days and see if it gets any better? With the lcds I've tested over the past couple years it usually does seem to over time. Same thing with the colors in the first few days. No idea why though.

yeah i waited a few weeks for the first one..and i still have the second one

 

[muppet22]

Originally posted by: off1c3r

Originally posted by: muppet22

Originally posted by: off1c3r
I'm gonna test a Samsung 906BW (2ms gtg) and an LG L1933TR-SF (noted on the main page for its similarties to the 1960)...

I am a very sensitive person and picky with input lag. I came from using a CRT and being a pro player for CS 1.5 and up, CZ, and CS:S. (I was ex cal-i) so yeah I FEEL input lag from the style I play. I hope once I get them, i can set some minds at rest cause I still see a lot of questions floating around for those 2 monitors. Right now I use the HP lp2465 and I stopped playing FPS games. I turned up mouse acceleration to max and that helped a little bit with input lag to compenstate but its not enough. If I find these LCDs to be good solutions as a CRT replacement, I'll definantly post it. I should have them tomorrow.

i've had 2 906BW's..both had backlight bleeding!! ;[

OH, I am sorry to hear that. If mine has the bleed too.. then its official.. No fixed revisions yet =(

On the other hand, how is input lag and ghosting?

i haven't done any objective testing to that effect, but it is a TN and should have some of the best results in those categories.

 

[redlinez33]

I cant believe it, the planar 26" I have sitting in front of me, is horrible....... Well sortof.

Colors are AMAZING. ok now for the faults

when displaying a black image, i can see the white glow when im sitting RIGHT in front of the monitor, I thought it was only suppose to be at angles? I also see banding in black detail, really bad banding..... Defective monitor?????

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: redlinez33
I cant believe it, the planar 26" I have sitting in front of me, is horrible....... Well sortof.

Colors are AMAZING. ok now for the faults

when displaying a black image, i can see the white glow when im sitting RIGHT in front of the monitor, I thought it was only suppose to be at angles? I also see banding in black detail, really bad banding..... Defective monitor?????

Well make sure you're in the right DV mode. I think there's one labeled standard, or maybe sRGB, that will eliminate banding.

I'm not really familiar with what "white glow" is or at least not why it would be apparent straight-on. Maybe you could take a pic of what you're seeing?

 

[Buck Armstrong]

There is a Standard DV mode, but Text is the default and recommended mode (which makes no sense).

Sorry Red, but unless you changed DV modes and/or turned the gamma way down, you shouldn't be seeing horrible banding. I think its busted.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: RobberBaron
So I got my PX2611W yesterday. First I want to say, thanks to everyone, especially xtknight for all the detail and work maintaining this thread.

Quick review: PX2611W, its BIG. I came from a 22" CRT and its STILL a big LCD. No dead pixels or defects. Only change I made was drop the Brightness to 50. I dont have a color meter, so its hard to tell if any of the colors are off. IF they are, it isnt by much. I stretch the legs of my machine and ran several games, FPS and MMO, as well as 3Dmark. No negative comments on any of it. Everything is very vivid, sharp, and the detail is just something else. On that point, my CRT had a tendency to be dark. Having a few hours with it, I can say I did NOT see any ghosting, delay or what not. Only 'problem' I had was the FPS dropping during games, 1900x1200 is big, more related to hardware then the LCD. Games I used where Oblivion, HalfLife2, Team Fortress 2, Eve-online.

OSD controls are like any other monitor (crt or lcd) just something you have to get used to. Its on par, meaning I didnt hate it. Different settings for how your using it. Text, gaming, movies, etc.

Only disappointment (if you can call it that) is there is no software or monitor profiles to load. If anyone has any profiling for the PX2611W throw up the link. (probably look through the thread here for any links)

This thread: http://www.hardforum.com/showt....php?t=1180069&page=40

There's another profile on the previous page of that thread, and more a few pages back.

 

[off1c3r]

Originally posted by: muppet22

Originally posted by: off1c3r

Originally posted by: muppet22

Originally posted by: off1c3r
I'm gonna test a Samsung 906BW (2ms gtg) and an LG L1933TR-SF (noted on the main page for its similarties to the 1960)...

I am a very sensitive person and picky with input lag. I came from using a CRT and being a pro player for CS 1.5 and up, CZ, and CS:S. (I was ex cal-i) so yeah I FEEL input lag from the style I play. I hope once I get them, i can set some minds at rest cause I still see a lot of questions floating around for those 2 monitors. Right now I use the HP lp2465 and I stopped playing FPS games. I turned up mouse acceleration to max and that helped a little bit with input lag to compenstate but its not enough. If I find these LCDs to be good solutions as a CRT replacement, I'll definantly post it. I should have them tomorrow.

i've had 2 906BW's..both had backlight bleeding!! ;[

OH, I am sorry to hear that. If mine has the bleed too.. then its official.. No fixed revisions yet =(

On the other hand, how is input lag and ghosting?

i haven't done any objective testing to that effect, but it is a TN and should have some of the best results in those categories.

AH ok, I am going to test it tonight and put up some pics.

Side by side HP LP2465, Samsung 940B, Samsung 906BW & LG L1933TR-SF .. I ordered a 940BF but not here yet.. =(