[Retired] The LCD Thread

[ericinho]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: ericinho
Difficult indeed to choose the right screen, despite this very informative thread.

I would use the 24" screen mainly for digital design work and the occasional print design. But that doesn't justify forking out the amount of cash that comes with a monitor calibrated for print design work.

Unfortunately, even the NEC as mentioned in this thread, are too pricey, the ViewSonic unavailable here, so I am eyeing the Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP since we have the 2405 at work and we are pretty happy with it.

But i haven't found any decent reviews of it yet and the ghosting and banding story with the 2407 made me somewhat hesitant to blindly choose this one.

Unfortunately, looking under Photo editing/Web design, no other 24"screens are listed, so I would love to hear your experiences and suggestions.

In any case, my videocard (GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb) is dual DVI, so the screen needs to be as well. And if i could tilt, set higher/lower and turn the screen that would be great. For the rest I don't have much other demands, except ofcourse image quality, color reproduction and so on...

I'm not sure what you mean by the screen needing to be dual DVI. Dual-link DVI? I think most 23"+ panels are. But you only hook up one DVI dual-link cable to one dual-link DVI port on your card. Even 1920x1200@60 Hz however may benefit from dual-link depending on your card. Dual-link DVI is NOT the same as dual DVI and you never hook two DVI cables to one monitor (at least not for many practical purposes).

What about the HP LP2465 or NEC LCD2470WNX? They're not as good, but alright for design as well. Although the LCD2470WNX is more expensive than the DoubleSight IPS at least in the US.

The Dell 2408 has bad uniformity issues last I heard.

Oops, my bad.
I merely wanted to indicate that the videocard has DVI ports, no VGA.

Anyway... most brands mentioned here are not even sold in The Netherlands (like DoubleSight... is that a brand like Eizo?).

And NEC is bloody expensive in my neck of the woods... the NEC MultiSync® LCD2470WNX is about ?700,-. So my question is if it is worth it compaired to the Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP?

 

[jeffrey1681]

This may have been answered elsewhere in the thread, but I wasn't able to find it quickly. I'm looking to get a 20-22" monitor for "multimedia use" based on the categories in the first post (mostly web/e-mail/documents with some games as well).

The acer al2216wbd seems to fit what I want very cheaply ($220 at amazon), though I'm willing to listen to other suggestions if anyone has them. I have two questions for anyone who has the acer monitor. First, how much of an issue is the fact that the tilt/height can't be adjusted? I'm fairly tall (6' 4"), and I don't want to be looking down at it all the time. Second, how large of a footprint does it take up? I've tried without luck to find it in a computer store hear me so that I could look at it myself.

Any other comments about this monitor?

 

[TitusTroy]

the Dell 2408WFP has some really nice specs...only thing I hear it suffers from poor input lag

 

[MotionMan]

If I am replacing a "typical" 17" standard width LCD, how big of a monitor would I need to get in a widescreen LCD to keep the same monitor height.

How about to replace a 15" monitor.

I sux at the math.

Thanks.

MotionMan

 

[TitusTroy]

xtknight, I was wondering what your opinion was on the DoubleSight DS-243N?...seems to be using the S-pva panel and has some nice specs...do you happen to know the input lag for this monitor?...I know you gave the 26' DoubleSight monitor high praise so I was wondering if the same applies to this 24' version

 

[Tasiin]

Originally posted by: xtknight
Well, the DoubleSight may be something to consider. Possibly.

But I don't see how else the LCD market is going to please you. Maybe you're best off with a 22" TN to hold you over?

Way too big, unfortunately. Even a 22" would be a bit of a pain with my current set up, actually.

I guess I should try the 2007FP, but I'm debating whether I even want another one of these at the moment. It's almost certainly going to have the same flickering problem (I just don't know how bad it will be) and the same nasty coating.

If I went with a TN, I'd have to put up with the poor viewing angles, color shifting, widescreen, and probably even more QC issues than these monitors have had with one of the cheaper models just to get a monitor without flickering and decent anti-glare. I'm not sure it's worth it.

Oh, and as a side note: the flickering on my LP2065 seems to have gotten worse. I'm not really surprised, because some people have said that it tends to get a little worse after it's been used for a while and then stabilizes. It's not even close to being as bad as the Dell I returned and probably never will be, but it's visible at 60 brightness now. This is very frustrating.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ericinho

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: ericinho
Difficult indeed to choose the right screen, despite this very informative thread.

I would use the 24" screen mainly for digital design work and the occasional print design. But that doesn't justify forking out the amount of cash that comes with a monitor calibrated for print design work.

Unfortunately, even the NEC as mentioned in this thread, are too pricey, the ViewSonic unavailable here, so I am eyeing the Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP since we have the 2405 at work and we are pretty happy with it.

But i haven't found any decent reviews of it yet and the ghosting and banding story with the 2407 made me somewhat hesitant to blindly choose this one.

Unfortunately, looking under Photo editing/Web design, no other 24"screens are listed, so I would love to hear your experiences and suggestions.

In any case, my videocard (GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb) is dual DVI, so the screen needs to be as well. And if i could tilt, set higher/lower and turn the screen that would be great. For the rest I don't have much other demands, except ofcourse image quality, color reproduction and so on...

I'm not sure what you mean by the screen needing to be dual DVI. Dual-link DVI? I think most 23"+ panels are. But you only hook up one DVI dual-link cable to one dual-link DVI port on your card. Even 1920x1200@60 Hz however may benefit from dual-link depending on your card. Dual-link DVI is NOT the same as dual DVI and you never hook two DVI cables to one monitor (at least not for many practical purposes).

What about the HP LP2465 or NEC LCD2470WNX? They're not as good, but alright for design as well. Although the LCD2470WNX is more expensive than the DoubleSight IPS at least in the US.

The Dell 2408 has bad uniformity issues last I heard.

Oops, my bad.
I merely wanted to indicate that the videocard has DVI ports, no VGA.

Anyway... most brands mentioned here are not even sold in The Netherlands (like DoubleSight... is that a brand like Eizo?).

And NEC is bloody expensive in my neck of the woods... the NEC MultiSync® LCD2470WNX is about ?700,-. So my question is if it is worth it compaired to the Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP?

Hmmm..well I suppose you could give the 2408WFP a try. I would look at the HardForum thread for it though. But as I've been reading it seems not as bad as originally thought.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: jeffrey1681
This may have been answered elsewhere in the thread, but I wasn't able to find it quickly. I'm looking to get a 20-22" monitor for "multimedia use" based on the categories in the first post (mostly web/e-mail/documents with some games as well).

The acer al2216wbd seems to fit what I want very cheaply ($220 at amazon), though I'm willing to listen to other suggestions if anyone has them. I have two questions for anyone who has the acer monitor. First, how much of an issue is the fact that the tilt/height can't be adjusted? I'm fairly tall (6' 4"), and I don't want to be looking down at it all the time. Second, how large of a footprint does it take up? I've tried without luck to find it in a computer store hear me so that I could look at it myself.

Any other comments about this monitor?

I don't know the answers to your model-specific questions, but the Acer seems to fit your bill just fine. The LG L226WTQ can be another good choice but there's a slight chance you'll get one with overdrive problems, so the extra response time may not be worth it to you if you don't game that much.

If you like glossy panels though the HP w2007 could be a really good option as well, better than Acer and LG.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: MotionMan
If I am replacing a "typical" 17" standard width LCD, how big of a monitor would I need to get in a widescreen LCD to keep the same monitor height.

How about to replace a 15" monitor.

I sux at the math.

Thanks.

MotionMan

Well for those that "sux" at math there's always Active Area measurements.

17" 5:4: http://www.auo.com/auoDEV/prod...roduct_id=2&items_id=1

337.9 (W) x 270.3 (H) mm

20.1" 16:10: http://www.auo.com/auoDEV/prod...duct_id=111&items_id=1

433.4 (W) x 270.9 (H) mm

There's your answer: 20.1" widescreen.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: TitusTroy
xtknight, I was wondering what your opinion was on the DoubleSight DS-243N?...seems to be using the S-pva panel and has some nice specs...do you happen to know the input lag for this monitor?...I know you gave the 26' DoubleSight monitor high praise so I was wondering if the same applies to this 24' version

Viewing angles are 160/160, this is a TN. Input lag for a TN is generally low.

But no I really don't think the 24" panel will be nearly as good. TN vs IPS...in fact, we can already deduce that it won't be as good in most aspects but I haven't seen any review on the other 24" model.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: MotionMan
If I am replacing a "typical" 17" standard width LCD, how big of a monitor would I need to get in a widescreen LCD to keep the same monitor height.

How about to replace a 15" monitor.

I sux at the math.

Thanks.

MotionMan

Well for those that "sux" at math there's always Active Area measurements.

17" 5:4: http://www.auo.com/auoDEV/prod...roduct_id=2&items_id=1

337.9 (W) x 270.3 (H) mm

20.1" 16:10: http://www.auo.com/auoDEV/prod...duct_id=111&items_id=1

433.4 (W) x 270.9 (H) mm

There's your answer: 20.1" widescreen.

Beautiful. Thank you.

I will try to figure out the 15" myself.

MotionMan

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Tasiin

Originally posted by: xtknight
Well, the DoubleSight may be something to consider. Possibly.

But I don't see how else the LCD market is going to please you. Maybe you're best off with a 22" TN to hold you over?

Way too big, unfortunately. Even a 22" would be a bit of a pain with my current set up, actually.

I guess I should try the 2007FP, but I'm debating whether I even want another one of these at the moment. It's almost certainly going to have the same flickering problem (I just don't know how bad it will be) and the same nasty coating.

If I went with a TN, I'd have to put up with the poor viewing angles, color shifting, widescreen, and probably even more QC issues than these monitors have had with one of the cheaper models just to get a monitor without flickering and decent anti-glare. I'm not sure it's worth it.

There's a couple 20" TNs like the Samsung 204B and Planar PL2010M, but I doubt you'd actually be happier with these. Actually I can't even tell if the PL2010M is a TN or VA. 170/170 at 10:1...hmm.. I do see more than one review stating it's a VA. Might be worth a shot.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1032201541

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824016039
This also: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824016067

And def. a TN: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824016064

Oh, and as a side note: the flickering on my LP2065 seems to have gotten worse. I'm not really surprised, because some people have said that it tends to get a little worse after it's been used for a while and then stabilizes. It's not even close to being as bad as the Dell I returned and probably never will be, but it's visible at 60 brightness now. This is very frustrating.

The flickering seems to be a PWM problem, not an S-IPS problem. I don't have flickering on my 20WMGX2 with the test images shown on that forum. And I've never, ever noticed it in all the years I've used the LCD. At lower brightnesses (lower backlight modulation Hz) I also do not see it.

Must be a Dell/HP thing.

So as long as you're trying another flickering Dell I think you might want to try a VA. Just my advice. The 2007FP for sure has the annoying coating, so why don't you give one of the Planars a try. Actually now that the VP2030b is gone, the Planar PL2010M (or 11 if this is also VA) should probably be on my list as VA 20" are rarities and initial reports of these LCDs seem good. You might end up being a bit of a guinea pig but no more so than with the previous LCDs you tried.

Then there's the VP2130b (MVA): http://accessories.us.dell.com...dhs&cs=19&sku=A0558310

But maybe I'd be crazy to think you'd spend $610 on an MVA. The Planar PL2010M (available for good price at Dell) or PL2011M should fulfill your MVA fantasies.

 

[Tasiin]

I don't think I'd be willing to buy a TN or VA sight unseen, but I'll head over to Best Buy or some other store tomorrow and see if they have any of those on display, or if any of the other screens look palatable there. Thanks for the suggestions.

And yeah, the flickering is definitely being caused by the modulation somehow. It's probably not directly related to the IPS panel, but it's odd how the flickering on gray and "rolling wave" effect seems to be restricted to 20" IPS panels only. Someone on the Dell forums told me that he thought the S-PVA 2007FP didn't have this issue, too.

X-bit labs stated that the 2007WFP's backlight modulates at 158Hz, the 2007FP's at 180, and the 20WMGX2's at 200 in their reviews of each. I don't know if this has anything to do with it or not, but maybe it says something about the quality of the electronics that they're using. The 2007FP that X-bit reviewed was a PVA, but if they use the same backlight for the IPS version that might explain why my friend can't detect any flickering on his IPS 2007FP.

Maybe it's worth trying if I don't see anything else I like. I guess I can't really end up doing much worse than wasting time on this given Dell's liberal return policy.

 

[DangerDave]

xtknight, have you heard of the Velocity Micro W220? I like this lcd particularly because it's made of non junky plastic materials. The only other aluminum lcd I know of is the Apple one. I couldn't find a review of it anywhere btw.

 

[tjpark1111]

what glossy screens are out there besides the HP and Gateway models?

 

[MR STROKE]

Thank you Xtknight for a great thread,I have been lurking in this thread for awhile and found this extremely helpfull. good work!
I have been searching for about 3 weeks for a solid monitor after returning my Hp2207(hated the glossy screen after a couple of days) and took your advice on the Samsung 245bw under the gaming monitor section. I have had the Samsung for 3 days now and love it so far, really good for a TN monitor and much better than the 2207.

 

[Aolish]

Has anyone heard about the vw222u from ASUS? I can't find any reviews on the net about it. Specifically i really want to know if vw222u compares with the Samsung 206bw. They both are nearly the same price except the asus is 22" while the samsung is only 20", other then that i can't really find any difference! Thx for any info!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824236028

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...E16824001095&Tpk=206bw

 

[ericinho]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: ericinho

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: ericinho
Difficult indeed to choose the right screen, despite this very informative thread.

I would use the 24" screen mainly for digital design work and the occasional print design. But that doesn't justify forking out the amount of cash that comes with a monitor calibrated for print design work.

Unfortunately, even the NEC as mentioned in this thread, are too pricey, the ViewSonic unavailable here, so I am eyeing the Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP since we have the 2405 at work and we are pretty happy with it.

But i haven't found any decent reviews of it yet and the ghosting and banding story with the 2407 made me somewhat hesitant to blindly choose this one.

Unfortunately, looking under Photo editing/Web design, no other 24"screens are listed, so I would love to hear your experiences and suggestions.

In any case, my videocard (GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb) is dual DVI, so the screen needs to be as well. And if i could tilt, set higher/lower and turn the screen that would be great. For the rest I don't have much other demands, except ofcourse image quality, color reproduction and so on...

I'm not sure what you mean by the screen needing to be dual DVI. Dual-link DVI? I think most 23"+ panels are. But you only hook up one DVI dual-link cable to one dual-link DVI port on your card. Even 1920x1200@60 Hz however may benefit from dual-link depending on your card. Dual-link DVI is NOT the same as dual DVI and you never hook two DVI cables to one monitor (at least not for many practical purposes).

What about the HP LP2465 or NEC LCD2470WNX? They're not as good, but alright for design as well. Although the LCD2470WNX is more expensive than the DoubleSight IPS at least in the US.

The Dell 2408 has bad uniformity issues last I heard.

Oops, my bad.
I merely wanted to indicate that the videocard has DVI ports, no VGA.

Anyway... most brands mentioned here are not even sold in The Netherlands (like DoubleSight... is that a brand like Eizo?).

And NEC is bloody expensive in my neck of the woods... the NEC MultiSync® LCD2470WNX is about ?700,-. So my question is if it is worth it compaired to the Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP?

Hmmm..well I suppose you could give the 2408WFP a try. I would look at the HardForum thread for it though. But as I've been reading it seems not as bad as originally thought.

Sorry to trouble you

But if I would have to choose between the Dell 2408WFP and the NEC MultiSync® LCD2470WNX (prices are more or less the same) considering what I need it primarily for...
which one would you advice me to choose and more importantly... why?

Thanks!

 

[jhcodafa]

Just wanted to thank everyone for their help
I got my NEC LCD2470WNX back (returned the first one because of some back light bleeding) a few weeks ago and has been flawless since. I have been watching movies, playing xbox360 all in HD and I love it. Ghosting is not an issue for me. Also I haven't noticed any input lag comming from a regular tv to this monitor in halo3. Got it from newegg for around $720 and I use it on my 8core mac pro, xbox360, and have used it for a tiny bit on my pc.

 

[jeffrey1681]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: jeffrey1681
This may have been answered elsewhere in the thread, but I wasn't able to find it quickly. I'm looking to get a 20-22" monitor for "multimedia use" based on the categories in the first post (mostly web/e-mail/documents with some games as well).

The acer al2216wbd seems to fit what I want very cheaply ($220 at amazon), though I'm willing to listen to other suggestions if anyone has them. I have two questions for anyone who has the acer monitor. First, how much of an issue is the fact that the tilt/height can't be adjusted? I'm fairly tall (6' 4"), and I don't want to be looking down at it all the time. Second, how large of a footprint does it take up? I've tried without luck to find it in a computer store hear me so that I could look at it myself.

Any other comments about this monitor?

I don't know the answers to your model-specific questions, but the Acer seems to fit your bill just fine. The LG L226WTQ can be another good choice but there's a slight chance you'll get one with overdrive problems, so the extra response time may not be worth it to you if you don't game that much.

If you like glossy panels though the HP w2007 could be a really good option as well, better than Acer and LG.

Based on your comments and the fact that a 20.1" matches the height of the 17" I have now, I'll probably go for the HP w2007. Thanks for your advice!

 

[cheinonen]

I currently have a Dell 2005FPW that I have connected via DVI to my laptop docking station. Soon I'll be moving to a full desktop machine again with Dual DVI, and can't seem to decide between getting a Dell 2007 to match it, or going with a Samsung 245BW for the extra space. Most of the use with this machine will actually be my fiancee, who will be doing a lot of Excel, Stata/SAS, and Word for her dissertation on it, but I will use it some as well for image editing (DSLR) and general use. I won't be gaming on it, and I won't be watching movies on it (I have a home theater for that), so will the downsides of the TN panel in the Samsung really affect us in day-to-day use? Unfortunately $400 is around the budget limit for the monitor right now (fiancee means there is a wedding to pay for, after all), so a Dell 2408 is a little out of the price range. Thanks.

 

[Deinonych]

Looks like Dell released a new 20" WS display today. It's a TN panel (confirmed by Dell), but it has a better horizontal viewing angle (170° vs. 160°) than is typical of that technology.

Here's the link to the specs.

 

[zixxer]

Wondering if anyone has any tips for me.. I would prefer something that has a ~1680x1050 resolution (so I can play games on the highest settings).


I recently bought a Samsung 216bw and the TN panel is really disappointing. I have a couch in my computer room and while laying down I'm outside of the viewing angle - there is also a lot of backlight bleeding.


I'd highly prefer something from bestbuy or bestbuy.com since I have a couple gift cards..

 

[xtknight]

Good news.

The website is back up. http://lcdresource.com/

Old content was archived at http://lcdresource.com/mambo, but links were redirected/fixed.

A lot of the old site stuff was a bit outdated and I don't exactly like how some of it was written so I will end up rewriting a lot of it anyways. Postnuke is a lot easier for me so I might end up writing more than on the Mambo site but I can't say for sure...

 

[TitusTroy]

Originally posted by: SSJGouKi
Has anyone heard about the vw222u from ASUS? I can't find any reviews on the net about it. Specifically i really want to know if vw222u compares with the Samsung 206bw. They both are nearly the same price except the asus is 22" while the samsung is only 20", other then that i can't really find any difference! Thx for any info!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824236028

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...E16824001095&Tpk=206bw

I'd like to know people's opinion on the ASUS VW222U as well...specs look very similar to the Samsung 226BW with a lower price tag