[Retired] The LCD Thread

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Oppear
Sorry, but can not find these names either.

Most names that are available here.
Acer,AG Neovo,Apple,Asus,Asus,BenQCTX,D-Fruit,Dell,Fujitsu Siemens,Hanns-G,HP,Hyundai,ImageQuest,Iiyama,KTC,LaCie,Lenovo,LG,MAG InnoVision,NEC,Neovo,Philips,Proview,
RoverScan,Samsung,Samtron,Sony,V7 Videoseven,ViewSonic,Xerox,Eizo.

But what about Eizo S2231W, http://www.prad.de/en/monitore...eview-eizo-s2231w.html. It's an S-PVA screen and was wondering, if it has any weakness compared to IPS.
Still, got me wondering, if Pixel Pitch 0.282 wasn't too large with 22", and is 24" a must have compared to 22" or not. The 22" would be about 500$ cheaper though.

I think 22" is the sweet spot; it's as big as many people would like their monitor.

The Eizo is certainly a good choice if that's what you want. Keep in mind the lower 22" Eizo model (S2201W) is a TN. It's probably going to be very hard to find a high quality IPS panel, anyway.

Disadvantages..well the VA has more color shift than an IPS. It would reveal more dark detail but again the color shift can be a little annoying. Please read the OP.

I think you'd be happy with the Eizo though despite color shift. It should have great color accuracy and contrast, and probably decent response time.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: muppet22
my advice is to get a 22" (or 24") TN, since you aren't planning on watching movies on your monitor once u get a hdtv. the g2400w looks like a nice 24" tn. i've only briefly looked through 22" tn's and it's been hard trying to find a low-input one.

oh i just noticed that xtknight finally listed a 22" lcd in the gaming recommendations! i haven't read anything about the lg l227wt or l227wtg, although the l227wt is on digitalversus: http://www.digitalversus.com/d...8&mo2=304&p2=2943&ph=9
appears it has pretty bad input lag..although xtknight quotes 0 input lag and response time..dunno who is right

I saw that too before I put it up there but based on prad's review and numerous reports of no input lag I decided to post it up. If that changes then I can always take it down.

joydestroy compared it head-to-head against a 226BW and noticed no different in response time or lag. And sites were unanimous in stating the 226BW had very low input lag.

http://www.hardforum.com/showt...d.php?t=1285859&page=4

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Ardan
I have been scouring this thread, review sites and also the displays section of Hardforum and I am still so very, very undecided that I thought I'd finally add to the discussion. I trust your opinions better than others, without a doubt . Like others have stated, this is obviously a big decision (and I have free time today), so I'm going to speak my mind here. Please bear with me, but I didn't want to make it short and leave out thoughts I had.

Well, I have a SyncMaster 215TW which has been very good. I do use it for quite a bit of gaming as well as other things (I notice the input lag with games, but I successfully adjusted to it) and normally I wouldn't even consider replacing it. I have thoroughly enjoyed the S-PVA screen when watching movies and looking at pictures. I am a big fan of places like deviantart, interfacelift, etc. I love art and enjoy looking at it, but don't confuse me with a graphics design artist. I am in the IT field and I am in no way possible doing work that needs impeccable color accuracy.

Unfortunately, the backlight has started to bleed in an extremely annoying way. Normally, the bleeding was hardly noticable and didn't bother video. When I watch a movie now, however, it shows up prominently regardless of if I have the lights off or not and has shown up in some high-res pictures on my screensaver (ones that are not completely black, but are still dark). It comes from the edges and almost makes a perfect X pattern, since the bleeding from the edges nearly goes straight into the center of the screen, greatly affecting the quality of movies. Since then, I have stopped watching DVDs on here because of how annoying it has become. After a while of tolerating it, I decided that it has driven me crazy enough.

Since I do play games (TF2, Bioshock, Test Drive Unlimited and others, but on a casual basis), do you guys think something like the L227WTG would be best? I mean, I know its a step down, panel-wise, since it is a TN, but would it matter that much? It appears that the L227 gets some positive reviews around various forums and review sites. I would consider others, like the 2253BW from Samsung, but people have told me that the backlight bleeding on the L227WTG is considerably less than other models.

I enjoy videos on here (especially with the Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1 speakers I use), but I have a good home theater setup in the other room as well that will be getting a good HDTV in the future (not the near future, but I will be). Everyone I've heard from raves about that Doublesight monitor and suggests I buy it, but I'm not sure I want a monitor that big, though I'm not completely and totally opposed to the idea. I don't really feel eager to have that big of a screen on here (though I have plenty of space for it), but I'm sure my computer could play those games at 1920x1200 with no troubles (Athlon 64 X2 5000+ Black Edition @ ~3.3ghz, 2gb Ballistix DDR2 RAM, 8800GT 512mb factory OC'd).

So what this all boils down to is that, since my current monitor was a real winner (at least to me and my friends/family), do you think I should hold out and buy that Doublesight monitor, or just go with a decent TN like that LG one? I'm so undecided because I have seen the L227 at best buy and I REALLY liked what I saw (considering it isn't the ideal setup for it there), but I can't find any of the others for comparison. I could buy something like the L227WTG immediately, but I would probably set aside money for the other monitor if I was to go that route. I suppose the DS would be a true upgrade from my 215TW, since it is a WG H-IPS and is a bit larger. Is it really that good of a monitor that I should hold off and get that one? If I didn't have any decent home theater setup, I'd go with the DS but I already have a good setup and will add a 40-50" LCD TV in the $1800-$2400 range later this year (I have my eye on the newer LED-backlit models from Samsung and others), so I'm not really sure that I necessarily need a 24+ inch display. Especially considering that, with the new TV in the future, I rarely will be watching movies on here. Already, regardless of enjoying DVDs on here, I would say that I probably play games more than I watch movies. Any opinions?

Thanks for bearing with me there. Any good advice or opinions on the matter would be greatly appreciated! Have a good week, everyone.

Well the DoubleSight is just as good for playing games as the L227WT actually. But, do I really think you need the DS? No, not really. I think the L227WT will make you pretty happy. It's a WG TN although I don't know how much backlight bleeding it has. The IPS panels are known for being fairly uniform so that might be a factor in your decision. I recommend trying the L227 from BB for a couple of days. I don't think they charge a restocking fee for returns.

I'll have to be honest with you that while my 26" is nice and all I don't really think it was worth that much money, at least in any sane state of mind of mine. I have tried a 22" TN and I was pretty happy with it. It wasn't perfect but it looked vibrant and I could deal with it if I weren't doing photo work. Keep in mind the L227WTG is glossy.

And I think a good home theater setup would look better than the DoubleSight anyway just due to contrast/brightness and gamut with LEDs. I wish my 26" was a little brighter so it could double as a TV.

There's some things you need to get used to about TNs: particularly the viewing angles. But TNs are great for reading text and gaming, that's for sure. And these days, they may be just as good as any other panel type for playing movies, unless you're watching from a wide angle where only IPS is truly satisfactory.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Ardan

Originally posted by: muppet22
my advice is to get a 22" (or 24") TN, since you aren't planning on watching movies on your monitor once u get a hdtv. the g2400w looks like a nice 24" tn. i've only briefly looked through 22" tn's and it's been hard trying to find a low-input one.

oh i just noticed that xtknight finally listed a 22" lcd in the gaming recommendations! i haven't read anything about the lg l227wt or l227wtg, although the l227wt is on digitalversus: http://www.digitalversus.com/d...8&mo2=304&p2=2943&ph=9
appears it has pretty bad input lag..although xtknight quotes 0 input lag and response time..dunno who is right

Yeah I saw that on digitalversus as well and was also wondering who was right, prad.de or digitalversus. It seems that a lot of people have great experiences with it in games, etc, and I noticed that it was placed right up in the #1 slot in the Gaming section in this thread, so I suspect that prad.de's review of the input lag is correct. I didn't look into that G2400W at all until you mentioned it. That definitely would be a good idea, and I saw they have a G2200W coming at the end of april, too. If I wait almost another month, I probably would be able to budget in that DS-263N, but I still don't think that is worth it. I mean, its worth it, I could afford it if I waited, and I agree that it is an astoundingly good value for that H-IPS panel, but why bother if I have a good setup in the other room? heh. I have heard that Samsung is coming out with a new S-PVA 22" screen, the 2263PW (if I remember correctly). Does anyone know when that should be coming out? That would definitely be worth waiting, because I had good experiences with an S-PVA.

I don't really know if that's worth waiting for. I think you'd be happy w/ the L227WTG.

No idea when it's coming out though or whether it'll even be available in the US. The Lenovo 22" L220X (and Eizo S2231W) are already wide gamut S-PVAs.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: uGuru
Hi everyone,
First want to thank you xtknight for your tireless efforts, they are appreciated more than you know. I've been reading this forum and a lot of others about all the different monitors as I too want the best monitor in my price range. I just opened a beautiful cardboard box with a brand new DELL Ultrasharp 2408WFP. I tell you I was brave with all the articles surrounding the input lag. Let me tell you, the first thing I did was to load up UT3 and I noticed not one iota of lag. I have the 24" right next to my 61" and they ran identical. I am so pleased, I just had to let all of you know. The clincher for this purchase was the sale on DELL for $599 plus overnight shipping only $24. More connections than even I could use... Cable box, Xbox360, PS3, Gamecube & PSP. Real bright out of the box, but the colors... Oh my god, the colors are astounding compared to my Samsung DLP... Gonna go try to calibrate it now... Thank you again for all your valuable information.

That's funny. Just a few posts back, panfist said he preferred the picture of a DLP to his std gamut TN. Maybe he needs a WG S-PVA panel!

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: redlinez33
After trying all these monitors

Samsung 2253BW
HP w2207 (3 of them)
HP w2408h
Gateway FHD2400
Samsung 245BW
Viewsonic VX2255
LG W2452T-TF
SOYO 24"
Westinghouse 24"
Dell 2408WFP
Planar PX2611W
Dell 2707WFP

Is that all?

I have finally found the monitor I am keeping and enjoy, the Doublesight DS-263N. The Planar was a close call, but I couldnt get over the glow + price. The Dell 2707WFP was also a very close call, but the color shifting thing annoyed me.

I found out about the doublesight and thought I could live with the glow for a price of $680. Come to find out it has the A-TW polarizer built in, so no glow... Perfect.... This thing is worth MORE than they charge, atleast compared to other monitors on the market.. Dont tell them that though... Only 3 SMALL things making this not a PERFECT monitor (perfect as a monitor can be that is). No component input, its really to bright (wish the brightness setting would go lower), and the stand isnt height adjustable... Otherwise its amazing. Also using ToastyX profile from hardforum helped image quality even more.


Yay finally done.......

Nice. Yes, it's an even better deal now that it has the polarizer. I don't know who would shell out for the Planar now.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: cheap
I went to Best Buy to try buy myself an LG 22" L22WTG-PF monitor the number 1 rated gaming monitor and they were all out. BB associate said it's probably because it's discontinued and instead offered me a W2252TQ-TF monitor. It's cheaper by ten or twenty bucks, looks about the same. Anybody know what the difference is between the two? Does it also have a 0 latency?

Thanx.

Discontinued?

You've got to be kidding me. It just came out. :Q

I don't think it is. But I really have heard nothing about the W22 aside from the fact it might have more scaling options?

 

[Martimus]

I'm looking for a 19" 1280x1024 monitor with pretty good response time and true 8-bit color. Does this exist? (I couldn't find one like that in the recomendations portion of this Thread) I would be using it for everyday computing, and occasional gaming. I don't like the way my LCD monitor looks at work compared to my CRT at home (A Mag 800V 19" CRT). The colors on my work LCD aren't nearly as good and it is WAY TOO BRIGHT! (I have a Viewsonic VA712b at work) I want to get a new monitor when I build my new computer, but I want a quality monitor that isn't too big and has good color quality and fast response time. Pretty much, I would like an LCD that is almost as good as the CRT it would be replacing.

Thanks in advance for any help that you give.

-Marty

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: panfist
Everything in your post after this part, I'm not sure how I gave you the idea that I think my LCD is worse only because of bit depth. I totally agree that it's the TN nature of my panel that's the worst thing about it. It really doesn't matter how good it looks head on, if I actually have to pan and scan my head across my desk to see one frame in its full glory (lol). It's a $200 LCD compared to a $2000 TV, I'm sure there are a dozen reasons why my LCD is worse. The part above this that you quoted from my last post, I was merely saying that now I'm a little bit smarter as both a consumer, amateur photoshopist and movie buff, because now I now one more limitation of my display. If you look in one of my second post in this thread I attributed my monitor's two biggest flaws to the fact that it's TN, those flaws being awful cinema picture quality when I view from below, and pale shades of color all blending to white from above.

Well I don't know how I got that impression either. Either way I'd love to help you choose a replacement if that's what you're looking for.

I'm glad that you learned something though. Actually the only thing I learned was that I forgot how to do binary.

In fact that last problem, pale shades fading to white from above, is so bad that they actually are faded when viewed head on. I have to view from below in order to see some of the really pale shades. And these shades aren't so pale that designers never use them in programs, on the contrary it wasn't until months after I got my monitor that I realized that in programs like excel, foobar, winamp, itunes, I was missing out on some GUI elements that let you read lines in a list better. The list elements would alternate between white and some pale shade of grey or green or orange or whatever the program chose, but to me it looked all white, until one day I happened to see foobar from below and the contrast between the white and orange was very striking. You ask me, "If it was so good tricking your eyes what would be the difference?" Well my eyes were never tricked, I just didn't know what to look for. If I was educated on dithering, and I knew how to spot it, and I walked into a store and saw some monitors that I could NOT spot any dithering, and it was a 6-bit panel, that would be tricking my eyes. If I'm just ignorant I'm not being tricked at all.

And one last comment about rendering in 6-bit vs 8-bit... I agree with you that if you take an image that started out at full 8-bit RGB and downsampled to 6-bit, it really is kind of moot whether that gets done by the monitor, video card, CPU, whatever. All three of those could provide you with an equally crappy or nice image depending on how the downsampling is implemented. But if you're rendering a 3d image on the fly in 6-bits, and it comes out blocky, that's the fault of the 3d engine, not the inherent nature of 6-bit color. If your monitor only shows 6-bit color and you don't see blocks, then it must be possible to render in 6-bit and not have blocks. The 3d engine is responsible for exactly how each subpixel is displayed so it can definitely insure that you don't see any blocks.

The only reason I can imagine how rendering in 6-bit 3d might be inferior to sending an 8-bit signal and using the monitor's dithering is if your GPU is too slow to render at 60fps, and the monitor is applying some kind of temporal dithering at 60Hz.

 

[panfist]

Originally posted by: xtknight
Well I don't know how I got that impression either. Either way I'd love to help you choose a replacement if that's what you're looking for.

I'm glad that you learned something though. Actually the only thing I learned was that I forgot how to do binary.

I'm not exactly in the market for a new display right now. I was just beginning to piece together bits of information that I never knew about LCDs and this was the best place to find out more. Some things are really hard to google because you have to sift through so much misinformation and marketing, not to mention that even now that I know what I'm looking for I still find it impossible to find out that my Westy is a 6-bit TN panel. Not that I doubt the information I found out here; I'm just pointing out that this information is for some reason hidden from consumers to the best of the manufacturer's ability. The information simply isn't on any westinghouse website nor retailer website, and I guess the monitor was too low end to even be reviewed by the usual websites.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Martimus
I'm looking for a 19" 1280x1024 monitor with pretty good response time and true 8-bit color. Does this exist? (I couldn't find one like that in the recomendations portion of this Thread) I would be using it for everyday computing, and occasional gaming. I don't like the way my LCD monitor looks at work compared to my CRT at home (A Mag 800V 19" CRT). The colors on my work LCD aren't nearly as good and it is WAY TOO BRIGHT! (I have a Viewsonic VA712b at work) I want to get a new monitor when I build my new computer, but I want a quality monitor that isn't too big and has good color quality and fast response time. Pretty much, I would like an LCD that is almost as good as the CRT it would be replacing.

Thanks in advance for any help that you give.

-Marty

Well I'm not sure if an MVA 19" panel would satisfy you. But the HP LP1965 is one of these, as is the ViewSonic VP930b. I'm not sure if you can find either of these anymore but the LP1965 is still sold online by HP. Actually Newegg sells it too. http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824176072

I have something for you that would be an infinitely better choice though, in size and panel type.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...16824176053&Tpk=LP2065

Price is only $10 more when comparing after-rebate prices. I really recommend you try the 20" HP. Font size will be a little smaller than the 19", although images will look finer. The 20" has an S-IPS panel and the 19" has an MVA. The 20" is well-reputed though and has a much more solid foundation when it comes to reviews.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Martimus
I'm looking for a 19" 1280x1024 monitor with pretty good response time and true 8-bit color. Does this exist? (I couldn't find one like that in the recomendations portion of this Thread) I would be using it for everyday computing, and occasional gaming. I don't like the way my LCD monitor looks at work compared to my CRT at home (A Mag 800V 19" CRT). The colors on my work LCD aren't nearly as good and it is WAY TOO BRIGHT! (I have a Viewsonic VA712b at work) I want to get a new monitor when I build my new computer, but I want a quality monitor that isn't too big and has good color quality and fast response time. Pretty much, I would like an LCD that is almost as good as the CRT it would be replacing.

Thanks in advance for any help that you give.

-Marty

Well I'm not sure if an MVA 19" panel would satisfy you. But the HP LP1965 is one of these, as is the ViewSonic VP930b. I'm not sure if you can find either of these anymore but the LP1965 is still sold online by HP. Actually Newegg sells it too. http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824176072

I have something for you that would be an infinitely better choice though, in size and panel type.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...16824176053&Tpk=LP2065

Price is only $10 more when comparing after-rebate prices. I really recommend you try the 20" HP. Font size will be a little smaller than the 19", although images will look finer. The 20" has an S-IPS panel (it seems that all within past few months have) and the 19" has an MVA. The 20" is well-reputed though and has a much more solid foundation when it comes to reviews. It's also a great chance the 20" will come closer to matching your CRT.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: panfist
I'm not exactly in the market for a new display right now. I was just beginning to piece together bits of information that I never knew about LCDs and this was the best place to find out more. Some things are really hard to google because you have to sift through so much misinformation and marketing, not to mention that even now that I know what I'm looking for I still find it impossible to find out that my Westy is a 6-bit TN panel. Not that I doubt the information I found out here; I'm just pointing out that this information is for some reason hidden from consumers to the best of the manufacturer's ability. The information simply isn't on any westinghouse website nor retailer website, and I guess the monitor was too low end to even be reviewed by the usual websites.

Google has become practically useless for finding reliable information or reviews about products, based on my experience. It's great for finding out what Britney Spears is up to. Or the twentieth article about how to install NVIDIA drivers in Linux.

But anyway the 22" TN is definitely limited. Whether it be by driving electronics, quality control, dithering, gamut, or brightness. I think that a WG S-PVA like suggested might be a little more comparable to a DLP but that's just a guess.

 

[Martimus]

Originally posted by: xtknight
I have something for you that would be an infinitely better choice though, in size and panel type.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...16824176053&Tpk=LP2065

Price is only $10 more when comparing after-rebate prices. I really recommend you try the 20" HP. Font size will be a little smaller than the 19", although images will look finer. The 20" has an S-IPS panel (it seems that all within past few months have) and the 19" has an MVA. The 20" is well-reputed though and has a much more solid foundation when it comes to reviews. It's also a great chance the 20" will come closer to matching your CRT.

That looks like a very good monitor. Although I would prefer to stay around 1280x1024 so I don't have to go overboard with the video card. Other than the resolution, it is about as good as I could expect, so I may get it anyway. How is the response time on that display? I may not play games all the time, but it is important to me that they run well when I do.

Thanks for the suggestion!

 

[panfist]

Originally posted by: xtknight
Google has become practically useless for finding reliable information or reviews about products, based on my experience. It's great for finding out what Britney Spears is up to. Or the twentieth article about how to install NVIDIA drivers in Linux.

This is getting off topic but...

Well usually if I put in the model name and number of a motherboard or video card and "review," it gives a bunch of good links to thorough and legit reviews. If you put in low-end LCD motherboards, you get crap like cnet reviews or a list of consumer reviews, which are totally useless. I don't care if they gave it 5/5 stars because "it's the best LCD evar buy it!" or 1/5 stars because "omg it came with a stuck pixel and I had to send it back!"

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Martimus

Originally posted by: xtknight
I have something for you that would be an infinitely better choice though, in size and panel type.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...16824176053&Tpk=LP2065

Price is only $10 more when comparing after-rebate prices. I really recommend you try the 20" HP. Font size will be a little smaller than the 19", although images will look finer. The 20" has an S-IPS panel (it seems that all within past few months have) and the 19" has an MVA. The 20" is well-reputed though and has a much more solid foundation when it comes to reviews. It's also a great chance the 20" will come closer to matching your CRT.

That looks like a very good monitor. Although I would prefer to stay around 1280x1024 so I don't have to go overboard with the video card. Other than the resolution, it is about as good as I could expect, so I may get it anyway. How is the response time on that display? I may not play games all the time, but it is important to me that they run well when I do.

Thanks for the suggestion!

It actually should have great response time. Plenty enough for most gamers.

 

[Ardan]

Originally posted by: xtknight
I don't really know if that's worth waiting for. I think you'd be happy w/ the L227WTG.

No idea when it's coming out though or whether it'll even be available in the US. The Lenovo 22" L220X (and Eizo S2231W) are already wide gamut S-PVAs.

After looking at the L227WTG at BB, I agree with you. I don't think it is worth waiting for, considering that my workload on a computer isn't really that demanding enough to warrant the DoubleSight, or waiting for another S-PVA. I actually do like the glossy screen, especially since the screen on this is starting to bug me. I don't know what it is, but it must be an anti-glare coating or something...sometimes, things look 'sparkly' to me, for lack of a better word. The PC is in an area where anything I do (watching movies, etc) will be done straight-on without much light hitting the screen when the lights are on. I think that is a good idea, considering its on sale for what...$289 if I recall? If I don't like it, I'll just return it.

Now that I think of it, I noticed the Westinghouse L2410NM in your list and on newegg. I think I could comfortably afford that price. I have yet to really examine that model, however. Do you guys know if it has a lot of input lag? I know there's some input lag on this 215TW, and it is acceptable to me (doesn't impact my game at all), so I wonder if it is comparable to or better than mine. I don't think I'll consider the H-IPS, now. I agree that it wouldn't be worth it for me to purchase that. I suppose I could go the safe route and purchase the L227WTG, see if it is perfect for me first, and then return it to BB if it isn't, unless that Westinghouse model is perfect enough to just buy it off of Newegg.

 

[Mucks]

@xtknight: the calibration instructions in the opening post seem rather vague. Is there not something more concrete to follow when calibrating a new monitor? I just set up my Dell 2408WFP and I'd like to calibrate the brightness/contrast, etc... to get the best image. Thx.

 

[Mucks]

@xtnight: also, my driver cd won't load. I downloaded the drivers from Dell (http://support.dell.com/suppor...libid=0&fileid=235071) - and followed the instructions, but nothing happens after I extract the folder. i.e. there is no "HTML Pop-Up With Install Now Button" - so how can I install the drivers for this screen?

 

[bfdd]

Other sites I've visited list the 24" Gateway as a S-PVA panel not a TN? So which is it?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: bfdd
Other sites I've visited list the 24" Gateway as a S-PVA panel not a TN? So which is it?

Depends which one you're talking about.

The FPD2485W is an S-PVA and the FHD2400 is a TN.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Mucks
@xtknight: the calibration instructions in the opening post seem rather vague. Is there not something more concrete to follow when calibrating a new monitor? I just set up my Dell 2408WFP and I'd like to calibrate the brightness/contrast, etc... to get the best image. Thx.

Sadly there's not a whole lot you can do. The more involved method is adjusting gamma curves in the video driver properties, but I myself have not had much luck doing this just by eying the screen. It is very difficult. In short, you need a hardware calibrator for anything semi-reliable. "Calibration" in the OP pretty much is how to get your screen to not look like utter crap, but it certainly isn't how to fine-tune anything.

Originally posted by: Mucks
@xtnight: also, my driver cd won't load. I downloaded the drivers from Dell (http://support.dell.com/suppor...libid=0&fileid=235071) - and followed the instructions, but nothing happens after I extract the folder. i.e. there is no "HTML Pop-Up With Install Now Button" - so how can I install the drivers for this screen?

Yeah it's a little misleading.

What you have to do is right click on the INF and press Install.
Then right click on the ICM and press Install Profile.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Ardan

Originally posted by: xtknight
I don't really know if that's worth waiting for. I think you'd be happy w/ the L227WTG.

No idea when it's coming out though or whether it'll even be available in the US. The Lenovo 22" L220X (and Eizo S2231W) are already wide gamut S-PVAs.

After looking at the L227WTG at BB, I agree with you. I don't think it is worth waiting for, considering that my workload on a computer isn't really that demanding enough to warrant the DoubleSight, or waiting for another S-PVA. I actually do like the glossy screen, especially since the screen on this is starting to bug me. I don't know what it is, but it must be an anti-glare coating or something...sometimes, things look 'sparkly' to me, for lack of a better word. The PC is in an area where anything I do (watching movies, etc) will be done straight-on without much light hitting the screen when the lights are on. I think that is a good idea, considering its on sale for what...$289 if I recall? If I don't like it, I'll just return it.

It's possible the 215TW's anti-glare coating is aggressive. The glossy panel is clear as a whistle. ( clean as a whistle? whatever, you know what I mean )

Now that I think of it, I noticed the Westinghouse L2410NM in your list and on newegg. I think I could comfortably afford that price. I have yet to really examine that model, however. Do you guys know if it has a lot of input lag? I know there's some input lag on this 215TW, and it is acceptable to me (doesn't impact my game at all), so I wonder if it is comparable to or better than mine. I don't think I'll consider the H-IPS, now. I agree that it wouldn't be worth it for me to purchase that. I suppose I could go the safe route and purchase the L227WTG, see if it is perfect for me first, and then return it to BB if it isn't, unless that Westinghouse model is perfect enough to just buy it off of Newegg.

It probably has less input lag than your 215TW if anything. I don't really know that much about the Westinghouse model myself but I assume 10e can tell you anything you want to know.

 

[bfdd]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: bfdd
Other sites I've visited list the 24" Gateway as a S-PVA panel not a TN? So which is it?

Depends which one you're talking about.

The FPD2485W is an S-PVA and the FHD2400 is a TN.

Ah your right. Just got a sick deal on the FHD2400 couldn't pass it up 335 new so was like "well even it's TN can't pass it up.

 

[OmegaShadow]

I'm about to upgrade my 15inch to a 22inch lcd.

what are some things that i should look for in a good gaming lcd monitor?

high ratio? 2000:1 or higher
low response? 5ms or lower


those are like the only two that i know so far, can anyone else give me some more info?