[Retired] The LCD Thread

[Gum]

Originally posted by: asintu
anyone used this one: LG L227WTG-PF ?

Hi there!

I'm using the L227WTG. What do you wanna find out?

 

[Sylar Powers]

EAB, I know the Samsung 245T has one of the worse input lag scores around.

BTW-GTA4 is reviewed. Got a perfect 10 on ign.com. MGS4 will no doubt get a perfect score too. I need to get a good monitor for my PS3 soon...

xtknight, does the extended color gamut bother you on games or movies?

For one, I will be connecting the PS3 directly to the monitor. So if the monitor can't adjust, then any adjustments/calibration at the PC/GPU level won't fix nothing.

 

[toadeater]

Originally posted by: Sylar Powers
Is Provantage.com a good spot to buy a monitor? They have good pricing...

http://www.provantage.com/nec-...90wuxi-bk~BNECL08W.htm

I don't know what their dead pixel or RMA policy is, but I have bought stuff from them in the past and had no problems.

 

[random betrayal]

After the reviews here and on hardforum I just bought the benq 2400 from pro vantage. It arrived early and had no dead or stuck pixels. So take that as one satisfied customer.

As far as the monitor it is great, with the caveat that it is what it is...
The real estate is massive for the computer and it is real good for the xbox. The colors are vibrant and pretty good according to my spyder colorimeter. It is really noticeable as the nec 20wmgx is sitting right next to it and it is color correct with the brightness adjusted to our photo lab for my wife's photo business, If you do not do color correct work don't worry about it, doing a correct color profile will causes your colors to look dull in comparison to the over-vibrant default colors of todays monitors. I run the nec at 20% brightness while the Benq seems good at 85%. I have noticed no additional lag on the xbox from the nec to the benq so it is every bit as fast. Don't play FPS on the computer so no info for you there. It is a tad bit softer in detail on the xbox though then the nec, but I am going to attempt to hook it up via hdmi to see if this will alleviate this, if not it is by no means a deal breaker. The tex, sharpness and black of the nec is better, no doubt. But the Benq is not as bad as the dell VA panel it is replacing in these regards.

Thanks for all the info xnight and 10e on this panel.

 

[asintu]

Originally posted by: Gum

Originally posted by: asintu
anyone used this one: LG L227WTG-PF ?

Hi there!

I'm using the L227WTG. What do you wanna find out?

Is it glossy? How's the picture quality, speed of the monitor during movies/games, viewing angles, anything else worth mentioning etc. ?

Thanx.

 

[Steve]

Ayone here know whether or not OfficeMax will start carrying the newer "Prive" (PRLM24D4) versions of the 24" Soyo LCD? I picked up the older DYLM24D6 version for a friend, the first one got three dead lines, the second one works okay but really heats up his bedroom.

I bought the 2-yr warranty with OM so if they start carrying it would it be worthwhile to exchange for the newer version? What does the newer one bring to the table?

EDIT: 106 pages!

 

[kalrith]

Originally posted by: toadeater

Originally posted by: Sylar Powers
Is Provantage.com a good spot to buy a monitor? They have good pricing...

http://www.provantage.com/nec-...90wuxi-bk~BNECL08W.htm

I don't know what their dead pixel or RMA policy is, but I have bought stuff from them in the past and had no problems.

I'm not sure what their dead-pixel policy is either, but I did have to RMA a monitor once. The bottom half of the screen was completely black. I placed a quick phone call, and they immediately shipped a replacement monitor and emailed me a prepaid shipping label to send back the defective one. Two days later I had the replacement monitor. I was very pleased with their CS.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Chunkee
I was looking at these also. Big difference in price point for me. Almost double for the other panel 26 doublesight. Where did you buy yours?

JC

I don't have a DS-263N, but an LCD2690WUXi.

Originally posted by: EAB
:camera:
I am in New Zealand and looking for a 24" monitor.

The NEC 2690 is not sold here, so instead I am considering:
HP 2465, Dell 2408 or Samsung 245T (listed in order of price). Applications include photo-editing (advanced amateur), programming and general office apps.

Thoughts please.

Eric

The LP2465 is best for editing typical sRGB photos, and is as good as the others for the rest of the uses. The others are wide gamut, mainly beneficial for multimedia and not always even for that.

Originally posted by: Sylar Powers
EAB, I know the Samsung 245T has one of the worse input lag scores around.

BTW-GTA4 is reviewed. Got a perfect 10 on ign.com. MGS4 will no doubt get a perfect score too. I need to get a good monitor for my PS3 soon...

xtknight, does the extended color gamut bother you on games or movies?

For one, I will be connecting the PS3 directly to the monitor. So if the monitor can't adjust, then any adjustments/calibration at the PC/GPU level won't fix nothing.

I like the extended gamut on games/movies but generally not on anything else. I don't care about the accuracy of games/movies and enjoy the more vibrant colors.

 

[HK138]

Hey, I'm new here. Just joined. Gotta say this is a very helpful thread.
I have a question, and I appologize if it has already been asked.

I just wanted to know how well LCDs work with older computers?
I have an hp pavillion 533w that is about 6 years old now (although I have only had it about 4 years).
My original crt died on me recently, so before I buy a new lcd, I wanted to make sure I wouldn't have any compatability problems.
My video card is just the factory card that came in the computer. So anyway, let me know.

Thanks.

 

[Steve]

Should work just fine. It may be helpful to make sure your computer's at 60Hz or 75Hz refresh rate before you try and fire up the LCD, you'd need to borrow a CRT to do this. Once you have the LCD going, if you can set the monitor type (aka driver) to Plug & Play Monitor, you should then be able to choose the right resolution for that screen.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: HK138
Hey, I'm new here. Just joined. Gotta say this is a very helpful thread.
I have a question, and I appologize if it has already been asked.

I just wanted to know how well LCDs work with older computers?
I have an hp pavillion 533w that is about 6 years old now (although I have only had it about 4 years).
My original crt died on me recently, so before I buy a new lcd, I wanted to make sure I wouldn't have any compatability problems.
My video card is just the factory card that came in the computer. So anyway, let me know.

Thanks.

Do you know what video card you have?

It probably outputs VGA, which most LCDs input. LCDs don't input VGA as well as CRTs, so you may notice some degradation in quality. I would be cautious of using anything above 19" on an old computer. But you can always get a new video card with DVI (at least if it has AGP).

 

[hulkingsmith99]

Both I was looking at on newegg - I've heard that buy.com has for slightly cheaper, but I'm a big fan of newegg.

The BenQ looks like a great monitor for the price, and since all I do is gaming, it seems that it would fit me fine.

 

[Sylar Powers]

What does everyone think of the LCD screen that comes with the Aluminum 24" iMac Screen? I might have already asked this, but I forget. I know it is the same LCD panel that comes with the NEC LCD2490, Just how good is the final implementation of this 24" iMac?

Btw-the iMacs where updated today, though the screen should still be the same.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Sylar Powers
What does everyone think of the LCD screen that comes with the Aluminum 24" iMac Screen? I might have already asked this, but I forget. I know it is the same LCD panel that comes with the NEC LCD2490, which is still on my short list of monitors to buy. Just how good is the final implementation of this 24" iMac?

Btw-the iMacs where updated today, though the screen should still be the same.

The iMacs have an H-IPS panel like the NEC LCD series, but I haven't heard much about how good they are. AFAIK they should be roughly equal (actually the iMacs are glossy).

 

[Sylar Powers]

I keep reading, but I can't find a better option than the DoubleSight 26". Perhaps one of the nicer 24" S-TN panels would be a good buy for me, but then you have poor viewing angles. However, if you want low input lag, and want single link DVI for your PS3, that's all that is out there right now.

Even if I could find a good quality S-TN monitor, one that was even NON wide color gamut like I want, I am not sure if that is worth giving up the H-IPS panel tech in the DoubleSight 26", which is wide color gamut.

Avoiding wide color gamut is not worth losing the H-IPS tech for a S-TN monitor is it?

By now, I have come to the conclusion that the NEC LCD2490 is just too slow for a hardcore gamer like me. Even if I am only a part time hardcore gamer. I have read enough on forums to know better. The NEC would be good for my creative side, but not my movie gaming side. I just want one one monitor to rule them all...

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Sylar Powers
I keep reading, but I can't find a better option than the DoubleSight 26". Perhaps one of the nicer 24" S-TN panels would be a good buy for me, but then you have poor viewing angles. However, if you want low input lag, and want single link DVI for your PS3, that's all that is out there right now.

Even if I could find a good quality S-TN monitor, one that was even NON wide color gamut like I want, I am not sure if that is worth giving up the H-IPS panel tech in the DoubleSight 26", which is wide color gamut.

Avoiding wide color gamut is not worth losing the H-IPS tech for a S-TN monitor is it?

By now, I have come to the conclusion that the NEC LCD2490 is just too slow for a hardcore gamer like me. Even if I am only a part time hardcore gamer. I have read enough on forums to know better. The NEC would be good for my creative side, but not my movie gaming side. I just want one one monitor to rule them all...

STN is a passive matrix LCD technology, so I assume you mean TN. It is not referred to as S-TN like S-PVA but instead B-TN ("Best TN" or "bistable TN") if you like Samsung's term for it.

It is definitely not worth giving up a wide gamut H-IPS for any TN, IMO. That's the worst decision you could make.

Go for the low-latency DoubleSight then and use color profiles. There is no other choice because the NEC LCD series has around 3 frames of input lag. (I suppose the Planar is another choice: same low 1 frame of lag, more expensive, no polarizer, same wide gamut.)

You should only need to worry about wide gamut if you're sending or uploading material to people using standard gamut monitors. But like I said in this case, a profile does a fine job of compensating. Maybe not as good as a slower LCD24, but it is the best choice out there now (in the US).

Supplement the cheaper DS with a standard gamut TN ASUS VW222u or wide gamut LG L227WT if you'd like. For gaming, WG really doesn't matter; in fact, it's generally preferable. These TNs are thought to have low input lag but no one is truly sure. The LG is a surer bet; there's not any input lag data on the ASUS that I'm aware of, but both have excellent response time.

LCDs are indeed a series of tradeoffs. The only LCDs I really like recommending these days are the DoubleSight DS-263N, LCD2490WUXi, LCD2690WUXi, 3007WFP-HC, LP2065, L227WT, BenQ G2400W, and ASUS VW222u. If one of those doesn't fit your needs, then you've really got to start digging deep and making more compromises. I'm pretty sure I'm not just omitting a few good LCDs out there; if it has decent reviews, it'll be on my list. The state of the market really is that sorry, but the OP is complete, at least for the US.

 

[Sylar Powers]

Amen xtknight. Looks like it's the DoubleSight 26" unless something new comes out before I finish saving up.

 

[dmalice]

Hmm, so apparently the XHD3000 has TONS of problems with Input lag because of the upscaling chip and stuff.

This is disappointing to say the least, as I'm primarily a gamer (though also a film enthusiast), so I will not be getting it. The DS-263N is once again seemingly like the best choice for me, though the lack of inputs is a tad disappointing. From what I understand there is only a DVI-D input?

Are there any comparable monitors that have a good variety of inputs? I'm looking for something that will take my computer via DVI-D, and also a 360 Elite via HDMI/VGA/component/DVI-I, and possibly a Wii

 

[kalrith]

Originally posted by: dmalice
Hmm, so apparently the XHD3000 has TONS of problems with Input lag because of the upscaling chip and stuff.

This is disappointing to say the least, as I'm primarily a gamer (though also a film enthusiast), so I will not be getting it. The DS-263N is once again seemingly like the best choice for me, though the lack of inputs is a tad disappointing. From what I understand there is only a DVI-D input?

Are there any comparable monitors that have a good variety of inputs? I'm looking for something that will take my computer via DVI-D, and also a 360 Elite via HDMI/VGA/component/DVI-I, and possibly a Wii

You could get an HDMI switcher like this or a DVI switcher like this, connect both your XBOX and computer to the inputs, and then connect the DS-263N to the output.

 

[dmalice]

Originally posted by: kalrith
You could get an HDMI switcher like this or a DVI switcher like this, connect both your XBOX and computer to the inputs, and then connect the DS-263N to the output.

Does this thing create any input lag? or does it keep response times respectable?

If it doesn't create a noticeable amount of input lag...you sir, have made my day

oh, and it seems as though the DS does in fact have a 15-pin D-sub input, which can be used for HD input (I think...correct me if I'm wrong). In which case, thanks xtknight and everyone else, I think I've finally decided on a monitor

 

[Squidmaster]

Ok, so my system is now built and my Doublesight DS-263N is now connected via a DVI cable... I had a phase problem with my VGA connection that I had fixed before this change, and that helped with my eye fatigue issues, but they still persist to a lesser, but still significant degree.

My lagom test results worth noting:
Sharpness is pretty good. Not 100% perfect, but 40% setting is far and away the best for this test, and for general use.
Gamma is a bit high, around 2.3 instead of 2.2
The first black box and the last white box on the black/white saturation tests blend in with their surroundings.
There is slight gradient banding, but not significantly so.
#4 images in the inversion test flicker a bit. The #3 and both #4 images are tinted red.

I'm pretty concerned. The difference between using this monitor is marked compared with my dad's 6 year old laptop or even a very old 17" CRT next door. The image quality on my Doublesight is great... but the eye strain starts up the moment I sit down, and doesn't go away for a long time after I'm away from it. (Think half a day or more.)

I can still talk to Newegg about this but I'd love some insight from the experts. I don't know what to do. In a sense I may have been lucky that the shipping was sketchy when it comes to possibly having to return it.

 

[CrabJuice]

Squidmaster:
For eyecomfort I usually forget about 'perfect calibration'. I just lower brightness all the way down. And if that is not enough I lower contrast until the monitor is dark enough for my eyes to rest.

There's some recent posts in this thread from xtknight that discusses this also.. read up and see if you can deduce something.

 

[Squidmaster]

Brightness has been on 0 for a while. I will try booting up tomorrow (when my eyes aren't already burned) with half the contrast, but I am pretty sure that is not the issue either. I was the poster xtknight was talking to earlier about this monitor with eye fatigue, and now I'm posting more info now that it's connected via DVI and I'm still having issues.

I think something is wrong with the monitor but I need help to pin it down.

 

[DaveLessnau]

Squidmaster,

Is it a problem while only doing specific things? Reading text? Games? Graphics? Looking at your Desktop?

 

[Squidmaster]

Nope, it's global, though I haven't tried movie playback just yet. I'm trying the half contrast now but I won't know if it helps until tomorrow, after my eyes have gotten a night of recovery time.

I'm just trying to brainstorm here, but is the screen supposed to have a slightly visible textured surface that almost shimmers but not quite? I'm new to the LCD thing. My last monitor was a P95f+ trinitron, so things are pretty different techology-wise.