[Retired] The LCD Thread

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: jeff21
Thank you for your help alleviating my monitor buying woes. My mind agrees with your recommendation of the Doublesight 263n and I've been waiting for them to come back in stock. My heart, tho', continues to growl for a 30".

Since I'm getting this as a gift, am I a goon to pass up the more expensive 3007wfp-HC (currently back on sale at 1200 bucks at Dell), which I wouldn't spend on myself. And then i could buy a Benq 24" or the Doublesight down the road, with my own moolah, if desired?

The main issues I see with the 3007 is:

1. no scaler - good for less input lag, but bad for non-native resolution gaming. Would you happen to know just how bad the screen looks with the nvidia (8800gt) doing the scaling?

No clue.

2. One DVI port. If I ever did want to hook a console game system up to the monitor, is there a problem with using a switcher?

Thank you again for your help and patience.

No problem with using a switcher, that I know of, other than that it should support dual-link DVI. The 3007WFP-HC is a good idea since the DS-263N is out of stock and might be for awhile, I hear.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: rhettdb2005
Just to quickly bring my question back up-- so would I be better served by not getting the Dell 2208 and maxing out my budget to get the BenQ 2400W? Its ~90$ price difference, but it sounds like it is a much better monitor for the buck. Would that be a good decision?

Yes, get the G2400W at all costs.

Originally posted by: rimmi2002
I am looking for a good S-IPS or PVA panel in the 22inch range. Any reccomendations?

Only options are Lenovo L220X and Eizo S2231W. Both expensive and neither is that great of a deal. The Eizo isn't worth it IMO over a bigger panel like the ViewSonic VX2435wm.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Epix
Got this from DoubleSight today:

Rick,
The DS-263N has been constrained the last few weeks. We are shipping stock this week. I believe New Egg will be among the first to receive inventory and they will accept a back order for you. The filter is a current feature. Thank you, DoubleSight

That is good to know. Thanks for the correspondence.

 

[TempletonPeck]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: TempletonPeck
Looking for a little advice, one last time (hopefully).

I purchased the LG L227WTG as per xtknight's recommendation.

I've had it 3 days now.

From what I can see.

Pros: good vibrant colours, very good for text and gaming and pretty good for movies/multimedia.

Cons: a little backlight bleed around edges in spots (I write this one off really because any 22" TN I go for is really going to have some to some degree), a few RTC errors (haloing) on certain video sequences and a dead pixel.

I'm just wondering, up to how long a time should I be worried about more dead pixels popping up? At some point are they a lot less likely to occur?

I have one now, but it's at the very top of the screen close to the corner, I'm thinking that if I got to nitpicking and exchanged it, I'd probably end up with more of them, or just one in the center of the screen area which is much worse.

So... I'm thinking I should just stick with this monitor, but I don't want anymore dead or stuck pixels, I'm at my limit.

So I'm wondering how long I should keep looking before I can ease up here, or if anyone thinks it's worth risking exchanging it.

I don't really know, this varies way too much to make a generalization about it. But, my LCDs have had either 0 or x dead pixels to begin with, and they didn't develop more for at least a year and a half (if ever).

Thanks. I figure I'll just wait it out for the 2 weeks I have to return or exchange for any reason.

If no more show up by then, I figure it will be reasonable to assume it should be OK for a good while.

I have to say nice call on the recommendation, I finally found a monitor I'm happy with.

 

[FatLeprechaun]

The DoubleSight is a great, IPS gaming monitor. It might be even better than the Dell because you have the chance of getting the A-TW polarizer (internal feature of the monitor) which improves black levels.

All right, you've got me sold. I'm going to get the DoubleSight

How can I make sure that I get one with the A-TW polarizer? Should I order the one from NewEgg as soon as they get it in stock?

 

[Woofmeister]

I'd be very concerned about buying an expensive LCD monitor from NewEgg given their restrictive return policy:

In order to declare any product with an LCD screen "defective" and eligible for replacement or refund through any applicable Newegg.com Return Policy, there must be a minimum of 8 (eight) dead LCD pixels.

 

[DaveLessnau]

I hope this is appropriate here. At this time, Directron has refurbished NEC 20WMGX2s on sale for $194.99:

http://www.directron.com/re20wmgx2bk.html

The discount code SUPER100 will also give you $3 off.

Since Directron has a decent rating on Bizrate:

http://www.bizrate.com/ratings...views__mid--24796.html

and at that price I'm willing to gamble a bit, I thought I'd give them a try (especially since my son is sitting at his 20WMGX2 and I can't stand how beautiful it looks). As a pre-emptive question (i.e., just in case), has anyone ever returned a monitor to NEC for repair? How miserable was the experience? Their site isn't all that forthcoming about the RMA process.

 

[Epix]

Originally posted by: FatLeprechaun

The DoubleSight is a great, IPS gaming monitor. It might be even better than the Dell because you have the chance of getting the A-TW polarizer (internal feature of the monitor) which improves black levels.

All right, you've got me sold. I'm going to get the DoubleSight

How can I make sure that I get one with the A-TW polarizer? Should I order the one from NewEgg as soon as they get it in stock?

It sounds like once the stock comes back they should all have the polarizer.

 

[TempletonPeck]

I have a question about TN viewing angles.

With my L227WTG when watching widescreen/letterbox movies, the bottom black bar is very noticeably faded black, where the top is much darker.

This is only when the movie generates the bars to adjust for the aspect ratio. So two bars on either side of the movie, and then there's also black screen beyond the bars (the black screen is much darker).

I find it rather noticeably annoying.

I'm wondering if there is something wrong, or if there is a way to adjust for it?

If I take a jpeg picture with lots of black and move it in a window up and down the screen, aside from the slight change, the black stays nice and dark. So I don't understand why with a DVD movie, this bar is so faded at the bottom and not at the top.

 

[Demitre]

I just purchased a BenQ G2400W monitor, and there is noticable bleeding along the top edges, otherwise no dead pixel that I have noticed. Should I return? I know bleeding is a risk with LCD, especially the TN, but I didn't know it was a problem for the BenQ?

 

[ThePercolator]

Just got my BenQ G2400W tonight. I'm also noticing some bleeding on the top and bottom, but I wouldn't call it unusual. I'm still playing with the settings. Even in "sRGB" mode (which is not the default), the color curve is pretty far off. It looks like around ~ 1.8 gamma in the Lagom tests.

However, the speed of the BenQ is phenomenal. I don't have a CRT to compare it to, but it's ~ 2.4 ms faster versus my Viewsonic VP171b, which I already know is a pretty low-lag screen.

I plan on playing a lot of UT3 on this screen. Maybe I'll flip it later and get the DoubleSight, but for now, it's boss.

 

[coreyb]

I'm another one who bought the BenQ G2400W. Amazing monitor, havn't noticed any problems with it either.

 

[TNPI]

I noticed the Doublesight DS-263N is $681 with free shipping at Buy.com (when in stock) compared to $700 plus $25 shipping at Newegg.

Bizrate.com gives Newegg a higher customer satisfaction rating. Has anyone here done business with both companies and willing to offer their thoughts on best place to purchase?

 

[tzero00]

Just picked up the L227 yesterday (thx for the recc, xtknight!) and am very happy with it -- nice color, easy controls, no dead pixels or bleeding or ghosting. However, the text (in Mail, web, docs, etc) looks just a tad fuzzy, and no amount of tweaking the dials seems to clear it up. I'm running the monitor (1680x1050) off a MacBook via DVI ... but maybe it can only look so good. Any suggestions?

 

[Demitre]

Originally posted by: TNPI
I noticed the Doublesight DS-263N is $681 with free shipping at Buy.com (when in stock) compared to $700 plus $25 shipping at Newegg.

Bizrate.com gives Newegg a higher customer satisfaction rating. Has anyone here done business with both companies and willing to offer their thoughts on best place to purchase?

I've never had to return anything to buy.com, but I've heard some bad stories about it. I've bought several items from them through, and have had no problems.

On big ticket items like this, I would prefer to go with a company with a proven record of good customer services for returns, in case you need one. For my BenQ, I used amazon because after shipping, it was cheaper then Newegg anyways, and I've always had good experience with returns with Amazon. Newegg is suppose to be great about returns too through, but you might have to bug them for free shipping.

 

[Dashel]

I believe Newegg has an 8 dead pixel return policy on LCD's. Returning it to Doublesight if there is a problem is an option though.

 

[Deinonych]

Originally posted by: TNPI
I noticed the Doublesight DS-263N is $681 with free shipping at Buy.com (when in stock) compared to $700 plus $25 shipping at Newegg.

Bizrate.com gives Newegg a higher customer satisfaction rating. Has anyone here done business with both companies and willing to offer their thoughts on best place to purchase?

I purchased my NEC 2470WNX through Buy.com. I had to return the first one due to dead pixels, and they exchanged it without question. So, they don't have a strict dead pixel policy, which is a plus. My only (minor) complaint was that they don't cross-ship, so expect a 1-2 week turnaround on a defective exchange.

Personally, though, I prefer to purchase through Amazon.com. They have a very consumer-friendly returns policy (and they cross ship), provided you aren't purchasing through one of their affiliates.

 

[sindows]

Can anyone make a list of non tn 19-21"(non widescreen) made over the years?

I know the following models are but thats about it:

19"
Dell 1905FP

20+"
Dell 2001FP
Samsung 213t

Can anyone add to the list?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: FatLeprechaun

The DoubleSight is a great, IPS gaming monitor. It might be even better than the Dell because you have the chance of getting the A-TW polarizer (internal feature of the monitor) which improves black levels.

All right, you've got me sold. I'm going to get the DoubleSight

How can I make sure that I get one with the A-TW polarizer? Should I order the one from NewEgg as soon as they get it in stock?

Yes that sounds like the best policy. According to DS the new stock should all have the polarizers.

Originally posted by: TempletonPeck
I have a question about TN viewing angles.

With my L227WTG when watching widescreen/letterbox movies, the bottom black bar is very noticeably faded black, where the top is much darker.

This is only when the movie generates the bars to adjust for the aspect ratio. So two bars on either side of the movie, and then there's also black screen beyond the bars (the black screen is much darker).

I find it rather noticeably annoying.

I'm wondering if there is something wrong, or if there is a way to adjust for it?

If I take a jpeg picture with lots of black and move it in a window up and down the screen, aside from the slight change, the black stays nice and dark. So I don't understand why with a DVD movie, this bar is so faded at the bottom and not at the top.

This sounds like backlight bleeding. When you move a smaller image around however, the bleeding will not appear as prominent. When a large section of black is displayed, it may appear grayer.

It could be this, or compression artifacts or NTSC level of black (16). But the top bar should equal to bottom one, in either case (especially the NTSC spec).

Is there a chance you could get a high-exposure picture of this, though? I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean.

What are you using to watch movies with? And are the black bars in the movie itself or made by the program to scale? Or are you somehow using the monitor's scaling features? When you say on "either side" are you saying there are bars on the left and right? And what "black screen" beyond the bars do you mean? The bars do not fill the rest of the screen?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Demitre
I just purchased a BenQ G2400W monitor, and there is noticable bleeding along the top edges, otherwise no dead pixel that I have noticed. Should I return? I know bleeding is a risk with LCD, especially the TN, but I didn't know it was a problem for the BenQ?

It's a problem for nearly every LCD monitor but some have it more severe than others. If you feel that yours is very severe then it may be worth your time to exchange it. Chances are, you just need to get used to it or lower the brightness. That's not to say that if you have a legitimately bad bleeding problem that you should not return it, though.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: tzero00
Just picked up the L227 yesterday (thx for the recc, xtknight!) and am very happy with it -- nice color, easy controls, no dead pixels or bleeding or ghosting. However, the text (in Mail, web, docs, etc) looks just a tad fuzzy, and no amount of tweaking the dials seems to clear it up. I'm running the monitor (1680x1050) off a MacBook via DVI ... but maybe it can only look so good. Any suggestions?

Ah odd I'm not sure about the fuzzy text. I would check the Mac font settings for things like subpixel hinting or ClearType/antialiasing. Maybe even DPI adjustment.

Originally posted by: sindows
Can anyone make a list of non tn 19-21"(non widescreen) made over the years?

I know the following models are but thats about it:

19"
Dell 1905FP

20+"
Dell 2001FP
Samsung 213t

Can anyone add to the list?

The flatpanels.dk or TFTCentral panels searches are good for finding specific sizes. Here are the ones I can remember.

Samsung 970P, Samsung 971P, ViewSonic VP191b, ViewSonic VP930b, HP LP1965
Samsung 213T, Samsung 214T, Samsung XL20
NEC LCD2070NX
NEC 80, 90 series LCDs (e.g. NEC LCD2080UXi, NEC LCD1990SXi)
Dell 2007FP, HP LP2065
Several expensive Eizo, LaCie models
Planar PL2010M, PL2011M

 

[Chunkee]

Is this DoubleSight monitor comparable to the famed one?

http://www.provantage.com/doub...t-ds-243n~7DBLE00C.htm

jC

 

[tongqi2]

I've been looking at LCD's for a long time and haven't found anything that I liked until I recently saw the comments on the 26 inch DoubleSight. I've been an avid CRT user (been on the same old Trinitron for 8 years) but I think I'm ready to make to switch because I just got a PS3 and I wanted an HD output source for it and was wondering if the DoubleSight would fit the bill? I plan on upgrading my computer later this summer and also wanted to know if whatever I upgrade to (probably GeForce 9xxx) will be able to smoothly run the relatively high resolution of the monitor. I primarily game on the computer and I know there are still many games that don't run too smoothly at 1920x1200 so I was considering if this is a good investment.

 

[citan x]

I have been wondering. Supposedly, one of the advantages of displayport is that there is no conversion needed between the graphics card and the LCD panel. Does that mean there would be less input lag on these monitors if you used the display port? Has anybody tried it out?

As far as I know, only the two new Dell monitors supports Displayport. I don't know if any graphics card have it.

 

[jfallmann]

Originally posted by: Chunkee
Is this DoubleSight monitor comparable to the famed one?

http://www.provantage.com/doub...t-ds-243n~7DBLE00C.htm

jC

No. Its a TN panel.