[Retired] The LCD Thread

[cracwarrior]

The all IPS panels is what intrigues me. DS26 is 18.0" h. HP is 17.4" wide so placed in portrait should fit OK. Plus they are on sale. Also, for most of the work day, each screen will have separate non-sli output.

That was my final question. This thread rocks! and along with one or two others taught me enough to feel confident in my choices.

I hope to have my DoubleSight by Wednesday and try to review it in the next week or two.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Rocketlucco
Does anyone know anything about this monitor:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824009125

It's cheaper then the BenQ and it's glossy. I wonder how the quality stacks up though. It has nothing but great reviews from newegg so far

I don't really know, but it does look nice. Keep in mind most people don't expect much for $390 in a 24" screen, so they're inclined to rate it high because of low price.

P.S. In a year we've reached 4500 more posts. 375/mo.

 

[Woofmeister]

OK, this is starting to piss me off. I have a $100 gift card from Circuit City and their monitor choices suck!:|

The only one that looks promising is the new LG 24" Flatron W2452TTF but there are no reviews of this thing anywhere. I think we can assume its a TN, but beyond that, it's a crap shoot.

Can anybody provide some feedback on the LG W2452TTF?

Thanks.

 

[Maleficus]

Sigh I know nothing about LCD's, Wish I didn't have to know anything about them . My CRT is near death and I was thinking of picking up the LG L227WTG-PF as suggested by this thread, im looking to spend max ~300. I'm pretty heavily into gaming and would prefer a 22" but quality is alwasy most important. if a 20" is leaps and bounds above, ill take it.

Also I wanted to mention I use my computer for virtually everything, tv's/movies/multimedia of all kind, so while gaming is important, it is equally important to be able to watch movies/tv from my bed/around the room.

Move forward with the LG or pick something else?

 

[zod96]

Get the the LG its on sale at Fry's and Bestbuy for $289

 

[10e]

Well 120hz in TV land is the frame interpolation technology I mentioned which creates the in-between frames. 120hz is chosen because it is an exact interpolated number up from both 24hz and 60hz.

Getting 120hz over a CRT monitor would be tough enough, but on an LCD it would have to be supported by the monitor and the connection. I believe this is outside of the bandwidth limitations of single link DVI, and probably dual link.

The BFI with BenQ and Samsung's MPA work by creating intermediate black frames or black strips on the screen to trick the eye into seeing more accurate motion.

I find on the FP241VW it just causes flicker at even the lowest setting so I don't use it at all.

Regards,

10e

Originally posted by: xxceler8

Originally posted by: 10e
120hz is not a standard of video broadcast, it uses a processor to create "intermediary" frames.

I thought 120hz was just a refresh rate, and frame interpolation is something different. Because of the way its marketed, many people make this mistake. I believe you can have a 120hz refresh rate without inserting blank frames.

 

[eriwik]

I would like some quick advice, I'm looking at buying a new display and have been eyeing the Dell 2408WFP but saw today that they are selling the 2707WFP for only about ?38 more. I'm using my computer mostly for office work and watching movies and only rarely play games.

Is it worth paying ?38 more for the 2707WFP?

 

[Maleficus]

I am going to go insane...

 

[10e]

In my opinion it would be worth it.

The larger dot pitch would make text easier to read, and watching movies on a screen 3" larger would be more of an experience, as 27" is a nice, big size.

Regards,

10e

Originally posted by: eriwik
I would like some quick advice, I'm looking at buying a new display and have been eyeing the Dell 2408WFP but saw today that they are selling the 2707WFP for only about ?38 more. I'm using my computer mostly for office work and watching movies and only rarely play games.

Is it worth paying ?38 more for the 2707WFP?

 

[10e]

If you are not going to be far below the screen when watching movies the LG would be fine. TN panels tend to darken from below and brighten from above.

Horizontally, (ie. left to right) angles are usually pretty good.

It might need some playing with the colors to get them right, but afterwards, would be a good gaming monitor and passable for video watching (like I said as long as you are not far below the screen level when watching movies)

Regards,

10e

Originally posted by: Maleficus
Sigh I know nothing about LCD's, Wish I didn't have to know anything about them . My CRT is near death and I was thinking of picking up the LG L227WTG-PF as suggested by this thread, im looking to spend max ~300. I'm pretty heavily into gaming and would prefer a 22" but quality is alwasy most important. if a 20" is leaps and bounds above, ill take it.

Also I wanted to mention I use my computer for virtually everything, tv's/movies/multimedia of all kind, so while gaming is important, it is equally important to be able to watch movies/tv from my bed/around the room.

Move forward with the LG or pick something else?

 

[zod96]

Is their anyway to use an icm profile without having to install that dot net crap?

 

[Epix]

Got my DS-263N yesterday and I'm amazed! Color is perfect (I calibrated it w/ a colorimeter) and vibrant. I have 0 dead pixels. The monitor is extremely bright, I had to turn it all the way down to 0. I highly recommend this monitor. Great price, good for photos and gaming.

 

[Maleficus]

Alright, im gonna buy the LG, just have to wait till this weekend when I head up to Austin so I can go to a Fry's. I refuse to buy anything from Best Buy.

I lied, I can't make up my mind, now i'm looking at the G2400W and the G2400WD

The WD says it has 1:1 pixel mapping and slightly faster response time, otherwise they seem the same, same price on newegg.

Whats the catch here?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824014158

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824014173

 

[CrabJuice]

Originally posted by: GoofyFoot
Regarding text and eyestrain, I found the following posting on Hardforum by Snowdog. Looks like 10e is familiar with the Benq G2400, although I have no idea if it's the same panel as the current G2400WD or G2400WAD. Do Snowdog's recommendations make sense to those of you who might have a better sense of the differences in these 24" and larger displays? Thanks.

I think they do. Although he doesent write anything about pixelsize. It might also be a factor. This article discusses pixel patterns as one offender: http://www.cloanto.com/users/mcb/19960719lcd.html .. although cleartype helps it might not be as good as lower dotpitch.

I have also been thinking about this 'glossy' thing. As Snowdog states it might not be ideal with AG coating. It depends alot on your working environment. If you are able to control lighting well a glossy screen might be alot better. As a sidenote I've noticed that loads of laptop displays have glossy coating. Quite weird since laptops are supposed to be used anywhere independent of lighting. Ideally I think a monitor should have a glass cover with anti-reflex treatment such as CRTs usually have. I dont think there is a current LCD model with glass but I think there used to be a few.

As for Snowdogs no1: I've found that I dont like digitalversus monitor reviews that much. Their contrast measurements, however, are very interesting. They measure at fixed brightness. Here is one example:
http://www.digitalversus.com/d...&mo2=357&p2=3337&ph=13
I wish they would do that with all monitors they review.

 

[xxceler8]

Originally posted by: 10e
Well 120hz in TV land is the frame interpolation technology I mentioned which creates the in-between frames. 120hz is chosen because it is an exact interpolated number up from both 24hz and 60hz.

Getting 120hz over a CRT monitor would be tough enough, but on an LCD it would have to be supported by the monitor and the connection.

Originally posted by: 10e
120hz is not a standard of video broadcast, it uses a processor to create "intermediary" frames.

Well my budget keeps going up.. So I finally decided to get a Toshiba 46XF550 and use that as the main monitor.

This thread over at avsforum will shed a little more light on the 120hz refresh rate thing, and how this is seperate from frame interpolation.

120hz thread over @ avsforum

I'm actually going to mount it on the wall, then swing it out 90 degress when using the computer. The mount costs about $400, and the TV about $2500, but it can be had online for about $1800.

I had 120hz refresh rate on my old CRT from 7 years ago, and I do really do miss it. The difference is noticable

 

[Rocketlucco]

I just received my BenQ 2400W and it is great, but I am having a major problem with my Spyder2Pro. I used it all the time on my last monitor, but now it won't work.

I upgraded my software to Spyderpro 2.3.5 from an older version (I don't remember which) a while ago, but haven't tried it since. When I first boot up the Spyder program I get I get "Sorry but an error occurred" Error 6 (SpyderUSB.cpp 175). However I am able to continue on with the calibration.

I go through all the steps of the calibration, but when it is time to place the colormeter on I get the message "Your sensor does not support the calibration of this type of display", and the calibration finishes. This program worked fine on my all monitor, and I have no idea what is wrong now.

Anyone know what could be causing this?

Thanks

 

[Dadofamunky]

Hey XTKnight; great thread. Looks like you might need to initiate a new one!

I wanted your advice on Dell 24" LCDs. I'm seriously looking at getting the UltraSharp 2408WFP but was wondering if I might get good results from getting their TN panel, considering I'm not a big-time gamer and plan to use the display mostly for Blu-Ray movies on my PC. I don't mind spending the extra money; I'm jsut wondering if the extra money buys me that much more performance and quality for the application I'm doing. Viewing angles may be an issue for me in the particular setup I have. Is the higher-end Dell 24" a PVA/MVA panel? For the price, it can't be a TN.

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

[BF04]

I have been looking at the Dell UltraSharp 3007WFP-HC 30-inch WideScreen. It is currently on sale for $1199. I have read most of the info here but cannot get a good answer. How does gaming on this LCD do? I am not talking hardcore FPS. I do play FPS but mainly as cannon fodder . 90% of my gaming is MMRPG, currently WoW. I am using a Dell 20in monitor with max settings. I will be going to Warhammer when/ever if comes out. Basicially I want high resolution, settings. However my eyes are not perfect and I have yet to see ghosting or artifact problems on any games on the 20in LCD, so minor stuff should not be a problem. I am currently using an 8800GTS 320meg card which I can upgrade later if needed.

Just looking for opinions or thoughts on 30in LCD for gaming. I am also looking at the Apple 30in but have not found alot of info on it.

thanks

 

[Nephi]

This thread rocks! Kudos to all involved.

I am looking for specific recommendations as I need a new monitor and simply don't have the time to sift through dozen of reviews and explore every technical advantage and limitation. That said I have read several reviews and the primer in the first post.

I am looking for the following:

Budget: $600-$1200

Size: 24 - 27 inch

Panel Tech: Any

Use: A mix of 70% office apps, web design, and digital photography and 30% gaming.

Main Applications: Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Internet Explorer, Games, Photoshop, MS Office 2003.

Top Choices: Dell 2408WFP, Doublesight DS-263N, NEC 2490WUXi, NEC LCD2690WUXi

----------------------------------

I am concerned about the Wide Gamut issue as I do a lot of web work, gaming, and digital photography and I don't like the idea of having to switch settings every time I change apps. Price aside are the NEC monitors higher quality then the Dell and Doublesight? My concerns with the NEC monitors are the fact that they are now over a year old and there may be newer and better alternatives. Also, I am concerned that the 2490 may be outdated as the future seems to be wide gamut. The Dell seems like a top pick but seems to suffer from lag. Anandtech seemed to think the colors and overall accuracy were about as good as one can get w/out spending big bucks. Is the DoubleSight the one to pick? Half the price, great response, and close to the NEC in image quality?

If you were me what one would you buy? I'm looking for and encourage specific recommendations. My old monitor is toast so I need to pull the trigger on a new one now.

Thanks in advance!

P.S. What is the cost of the NEC monitors WITH the included calibration unit? I could not find a link, model number, and/or pricing.

 

[jon754]

i'm looking for a gaming monitor for under 300 dollars. how does the lg l227wtg compare to the hp w2207? i saw the l227wtg at best buy and i thought the screen looked oversaturated and unnatural.

 

[Maleficus]

Ok this time I actually did decide, seeing as how I ordered the stupid thing

Despite being told to stick with the G2400W by someone who clearly knows more than me, I decided to purchase the G2400WD.

Yes I am dumb, spending this much money on a monitor hurts my soul.

I'm going to go cry into my pillow now, I'll let you guys know how the monitor turns out.

 

[zod96]

Is that g2400wd with a glossy screen

 

[Squidmaster]

I RMAed DS-263N back to newegg due to port/reset issues we discussed here a few weeks ago, and even though the item was not refundable, it was out of stock so they issued me a refund anyway. I figure this gives me the opportunity to do a little more homework to see if there is a better option out there, or at least to shop around other dealers.

As some may recall, I complained of rather serious eye strain issues using this monitor, but during the peak of the allergy season. I'm using my old monitor now and am still having eye issues. They may not be as bad, but the difference between a 19" trinitron CRT and a 26" LCD is large and bound to cause some adjustment issues, especially for someone with serious health problems.

That said, for those of you who have complained similarly about eye strain, did you resolve these issues? Did you find panels that did not cause eye fatigue, or make screen adjustments, or get used to it, or what exactly?

I am very interested in using my monitor as a secondary TV with comcast cable, but from what I'm reading here that may not be possible. Does it just not identify the cable box signal properly? Are there similar quality panels that do?

Thanks a bunch.

 

[10e]

That's a great thread Xceler8

I took a good look, and came up with the following:

1) Single link DVI/HDMI don't go beyond 1080p at 60hz. Not enough bandwidth. No such thing as dual-link HDMI either, even if there was, these TVs don't use it
2) The only time these screens can truly use 120hz is through frame interpolation.

Frame interpolation will cause a lot of input lag. Input lag is bad for PC gaming. It takes frames 1 and 2, looks at the motion, creates an intermediate frame, and then displays the three frames in order. That by itself will add two frames of lag above and beyond processing time. Expect 4 frames/66ms if you are lucky with 120hz on. You will end up turning it off for PC use. You'll be playing mouse cursor time warp.

If you were hoping to spend the $2500.00 and get the equivalent 120hz refresh rate of your old CRT you will be disappointed. You can't set the vid card at 120hz and 1920x1080. The TV will say "out of range", and that's assuming you could actually do it in the video card control panel.

I would look at the 530U Regza displays. They have a low input lag/game mode that gets them down to 2 frames/33ms. Very good for a TV. I'm not a huge Toshiba fan, but I give them props for actually giving a number. Maybe they are listening to the consumer.

Regards,

10e

Originally posted by: xxceler8

Originally posted by: 10e
Well 120hz in TV land is the frame interpolation technology I mentioned which creates the in-between frames. 120hz is chosen because it is an exact interpolated number up from both 24hz and 60hz.

Getting 120hz over a CRT monitor would be tough enough, but on an LCD it would have to be supported by the monitor and the connection.

Originally posted by: 10e
120hz is not a standard of video broadcast, it uses a processor to create "intermediary" frames.

Well my budget keeps going up.. So I finally decided to get a Toshiba 46XF550 and use that as the main monitor.

This thread over at avsforum will shed a little more light on the 120hz refresh rate thing, and how this is seperate from frame interpolation.

120hz thread over @ avsforum

I'm actually going to mount it on the wall, then swing it out 90 degress when using the computer. The mount costs about $400, and the TV about $2500, but it can be had online for about $1800.

I had 120hz refresh rate on my old CRT from 7 years ago, and I do really do miss it. The difference is noticable

 

[10e]

Originally posted by: zod96
Is that g2400wd with a glossy screen

Nope. Same as the G2400W which is a matte screen.

Originally posted by: Maleficus
Ok this time I actually did decide, seeing as how I ordered the stupid thing

Despite being told to stick with the G2400W by someone who clearly knows more than me, I decided to purchase the G2400WD.

Yes I am dumb, spending this much money on a monitor hurts my soul.

I'm going to go cry into my pillow now, I'll let you guys know how the monitor turns out.

Why?

I'm sure it will be just fine. There there, it's the same monitor with a dynamic contrast mode and overdrive. It will likely be as good or better.

Good luck

10e