Originally posted by: CrabJuice
People who are looking for budget widescreen MVA panels might take a look at Philips 200WP7ES. It seems popular around my region and Oleg over at Xbitlabs wasnt afraid to recommend it even though he only did review the 4:3 variant.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...lcd-guide-f2007_4.html
Yup. Sadly this is not available in the US.
About LED . Acer released 19 and 22" alegedly LED panels.
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/ne...rchive/11.htm#acer_led
Price is not that steep. The 'alegedly' comes from some whisper I heard about 'hybrid' technology.
Things introduced at CeBIT typically take awhile to actually get to market. The Samsung 22" PVA was also announced a while back (at least three months ago) but it is nowhere to be seen.
Originally posted by: marliz
Thank you for the response, xtknight.
Actually I do use color profiling in Photoshop. I have vacilated between Adobe rgb and the pro rgb (for scanned or raw photos). I don't really understand a lot of technical talk and what the problem with the wide gamut monitors are about, but I have noticed in searching that there does seem to be a problem; technology too new maybe?
It's an innate problem with the technology, not something that can be solved with newer revisions of it.
The wide gamut backlights more closely match Adobe RGB, which is bad if you do mostly sRGB work. The gamut (range of colors) is increased by changing the phosphors in the backlight, but when you do that you no longer match the conventional sRGB. Since it expects an Adobe RGB source and Adobe RGB 98 is a larger space, sRGB photos will look overvibrant on a monitor that comes near Adobe RGB. It's like expecting a photo lit by yellow light to match one lit by blue light; it's not going to happen.
Solutions for this include color profiles which Photoshop can use. Photoshop will use one of the four colorimetric methods (relative, absolute, perceptual, saturation) to show it on the Adobe RGB monitor, depending on your options. These methods of emulating sRGB on an Adobe RGB monitor are not perfect; each one has sacrifices, and a true sRGB monitor is still better for editing sRGB photos.
Why would you suggest the 24" NEC over the NEC LCD2690WUXi?
If I went the 26, would my optix pro work or would I need to order the calibration package with it?
The 26" is wide gamut, while the 24" matches sRGB. But this is all assuming the majority of your work is sRGB. If it isn't then by all means wide gamut monitors might be the best option. Or, if you do a good deal of scanning work then you should consider WG monitors as well, and use a profile when you edit sRGB pictures.
Calibration is generally not worth it for the NECs; they're good by default. I believe the overall calibration package cost about $250.
Please note that calibration does
not change the gamut of a monitor. There is absolutely no way to do this. Calibrating to sRGB does
not change the gamut of the wide gamut monitor to sRGB. You are only getting an sRGB gamma curve (tone response curve); in short, your colors are still way too vibrant until you use a profile. NEC monitors are calibrated decently well to 2.2 by default, very close to sRGB on the gamma level.
The sRGB option on the LCD2690 in the OSD is simply a rough emulation but it is not to be used for photo editing. It is not nearly accurate enough and not calibratable.
I am willing to spend $1200 if necessary, hoping that it will be useful for a few years. But if the 30" is so new that there might be problems cropping up, I would rather go the 26" Also if I'm wrong about the capacity of my video card it would mean a replacement there also.
You don't really have to worry about the 30" being too new, however it does lack many of the controls of smaller panels because the electronics to adjust a 30" screen are expensive. That means that if you decide to get a calibrator, you will have slightly less flexibility. But it should not really be a problem. You should still be able to get a good enough calibration out of it, for photo purposes.
Can you explain in layman's terms exactly what the wide gamut problem is? I think a 26" monitor would be sufficient, but a 24" might really cramp me in photoshop, after using the two monitors; considering that I used about six inches of the second monitor for palletes.
The 24" and 26" are the same resolution but different sizes, so one will simply appear "bigger" overall than the other.
I will still use my 20" NEC at my stand up spot. Do you know if mirrowing that to a 26 will create a problem?
Thanking you (and anyone else who offers advice),
Peggy
I use the LCD2690WUXi and 20WMGX2 together. But, obviously there can not be a perfect mirror because they are different resolutions. I am not sure how the Mac deals with this, although in Linux I have it setup such that my vertical resolution is "panned" on the NEC (the screen scrolls when I move it to an out-of-bounds area). There is also the possibility of having the 20WMGX2 show a downscaled 1920x1200 image where you see everything but it's shrunk to the 20WMGX2's size. I haven't seen an option for doing that in any OS I've seen (I think I happened across a bug in Windows drivers that caused this to happen, but not much else). Although it's at least a hypothetical option.
The LCD2490WUXi is my primary recommendation for you unless you think the smaller size will cause eye strain. In that case, you can try the LCD2690WUXi with a profile. You do some scanning work so it may benefit you, but only if your workflow is also Adobe RGB or ProPhoto RGB (which exceeds the NEC's gamut by a good amount).
An application can not determine whether your monitor is wide gamut or not (at least there is no defined, standard API to do this yet). They are not psychic. So there is no such thing as an "automatically color managed app" vs a "non-color managed" one really. You have to give the color managed app an ICM profile
and configure it properly, otherwise you will get invalid results or it will just be not color managed like usual. Some color managed apps can read from the global ICM profile property in Windows for your device, but don't rely on this. Always confirm that they are using the profile. It's so important that you pay attention and learn how to use color management, rather than just plant the ICM profile and run for your life. Your users won't be too happy if you choose the latter option! What's worse is that you see more vibrant colors, and they will see very dull ones because the same picture looks more vibrant on your Adobe RGB-matching monitor.
Wide gamut is a problem regardless of if you calibrate the monitor or the video card, because neither can calibrate the "gamut" of the monitor. They only calibrate the response curve. That means sRGB pictures will still appear "off" by a good amount on an Adobe RGB display calibrated to an sRGB curve.
P.S. You don't need a calibrator to obtain a gamut-transforming ICM profile (one that will let you show sRGB on an Adobe RGB monitor with emulation). You can get that ICM profile off the CD or drivers for the monitor and it should very closely match your unit in terms of gamut. However note this ICM profile does not contain the tone response curve calibration, which is not as critical for the professional NEC monitors that are decently calibrated at the factory, to begin with.