[Retired] The LCD Thread

[Jincuteguy]

So between the Gateway FHD2400 and the HP w2408 which one should I get? Anymore reviews of the Gateway FHD2400?

 

[Jincuteguy]

Also which one is more glossy Gateway FHD2400 or HP w2408h? And which one is better performance as gaming?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Jincuteguy
Also which one is more glossy Gateway FHD2400 or HP w2408h? And which one is better performance as gaming?

Not sure about level of glossiness.

There haven't been reviews of either so it's hard to know. I'd go to the HP because of the great review PRAD gave it, and the Gateway has been known to render dark colors poorly.

 

[off1c3r]

Originally posted by: BlackJack3
Hey guys; Noob poster here who registered because of this thread. I'm in need of a new monitor now. My needs are most importantly gaming followed by general productivity (web surfing/email/Office) and some light photo editing/management. Despite the drawbacks of TN panels, I"m really interested in a 22 inch display, because I feel it's the perfect combo of size and resolution for games (I have a really shallow desk and thus sit really close to my monitor as is, plus I'd rather have a lower res and more FPS for games at my monitor's native res). My choices right now are

1. LG L227WTG-PF. I saw that this is the first recommended gaming monitor in this thread. I only see it for sale at Best Buy right now for $340 though.

2. Samsung 2253BW. From what I can tell, this is the successor to some previous highly regarded Samsung 22 inch monitors for gaming. $290 right now before rebate.

3. Samsung T220 "Touch of Color" Series: This recently went on sale at Newegg. From what I can tell it is the exact same as the 2253BW with a more a stylish bezel? The only spec difference I can find is that is has a higher dynamic contrast ratio but I've heard DC ratios are mostly marketing bunk. $300 right now before rebate.

4. Acer AL2216Wbd. A budget option for only $220 right now.


I just want to add that whatever I buy will be a stop gap solution for 1-3 years until LCD tech gets more situated in general, especially in the 24+ inch range. I figure I'd pick up an affordable 22 inch panel right now and down the road once LED or maybe even OLED panels are more common, upgrade to a bigger (more expensive) panel. That 25.5 inch Doublesight monitor in the original posts is tempting but I don't think I'm ready for that size monitor until I get a bigger desk and don't want to spend over $400 at the moment.

I can speak for the LG L227WTG-PF as I jsut got it from bestbuy... Its good for gaming, colors are good too. Out of all the LCDs i've owned (which is about 8-10) this is definantly one of the, if not fastest, 22" Gaming LCDs

 

[zod96]

Are their any 22 or 24 inch 8 bit panels that have glossy screens...

 

[Jincuteguy]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Jincuteguy
Also which one is more glossy Gateway FHD2400 or HP w2408h? And which one is better performance as gaming?

Not sure about level of glossiness.

There haven't been reviews of either so it's hard to know. I'd go to the HP because of the great review PRAD gave it, and the Gateway has been known to render dark colors poorly.

So PRAD is a good review website? should i trust it?

 

[manko]

Any thoughts on the ViewSonic VX1962wm 19"? I just saw it at Costco for $199. Unfortunately, they didn't have it hooked up.

* Full 19" viewable widescreen with 1680x1050 resolution; High resolution panel with 36% more clarity than a regular 19" wide monitor.
* Fast ClearMotiv video response; Video response as fast as 2ms enables HD broadcast-quality video.
* 6000:1 dynamic contrast ratio (typ); Provides for darker black levels and better overall front-of-screen performance.
* OptiSync digital/analog inputs expand your connectivity; Multi-mode input technology supports both digital (DVI) and analog (VGA) signals for ultimate compatibility and configuration flexibility.
* SRS WOW HD sound and high quality stereo speakers

My space is limited, so I'm looking for something reasonably-priced around 20" with 1680x1050 for work, gaming and videos.

I have looked at the Samsung offerings (206BW and 2053BW), but they seem hit and miss.

I almost ordered an LG L206WTY-BF, but then I saw a display model of an L206WTQ-BF and it looked horrible.

I liked the look of the NEC 19WMGX-BK (or maybe it was the NEC LCD194WXM-BK), but the resolution was too low and I don't know about the delay.

I also liked an LG L227WTG-PF, but it's bigger than I want and a bit more than I wanted to spend. I might measure my space again to see if I can squeeze it in and wait for a sale or coupon, if I can't find a 20" that I like.

So again, any opinions on the ViewSonic VX1962wm 19"? Or do you have any other suggestions for 20" screens with 1680x1050 resolution that would work for gaming, multimedia and general use?

Thanks for your advice.

 

[BlackJack3]

Originally posted by: off1c3r


I can speak for the LG L227WTG-PF as I jsut got it from bestbuy... Its good for gaming, colors are good too. Out of all the LCDs i've owned (which is about 8-10) this is definantly one of the, if not fastest, 22" Gaming LCDs

Thanks for those impressions. If the LG would go on sale again at Best Buy, that would make it a lot easier. It's currently sitting at $50 more than the Samsung so I want to wait for a sale or coupon or something.

Any more impressions for me guys?

 

[Maleficus]

http://shop3.outpost.com/product/5555890

CRT > LCD though.

 

[10e]

The only review I've read on the FHD2400 is from Extremetech and I find their reviews to NOT be as in-depth as I'd like. They loved it, but I would definitely trust Prad.DE a lot more.

Prad generally is pretty hard core, and the only omissions I've seen from them are discussion of overscan with monitors that have HD video connections. Otherwise they are likely one of the best.

Regards,

10e

Originally posted by: Jincuteguy
Also which one is more glossy Gateway FHD2400 or HP w2408h? And which one is better performance as gaming?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Jincuteguy

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Jincuteguy
Also which one is more glossy Gateway FHD2400 or HP w2408h? And which one is better performance as gaming?

Not sure about level of glossiness.

There haven't been reviews of either so it's hard to know. I'd go to the HP because of the great review PRAD gave it, and the Gateway has been known to render dark colors poorly.

So PRAD is a good review website? should i trust it?

Whoops meant to say there haven't been *enough* reviews. But yes PRAD is a reliable site. ExtremeTech is not as reliable IMO or as comprehensive.

 

[BlackJack3]

Originally posted by: Maleficus
http://shop3.outpost.com/product/5555890

CRT > LCD though.

Thanks for the link. That makes the LG and Sammy equal in price. I definitely don't have room for a CRT, lol. I barely have room for a 22 incher right now.

 

[marliz]

>>"It sounds like the NEC 26" is the best option for you then. It matches the Adobe RGB 1998 space which you do a lot of work in. The DoubleSight DS-263N is essentially the same thing but cheaper. The NEC allows better calibration if you actually spend the extra on the kit, otherwise the LCD2690 is probably not worth it over the DS-263N. You can still calibrate the DS-263N decently well with a calibrator. $500+ more is a lot of money for little or no benefit!"<<


Thank you! I'm looking up reviews on the DoubleSight DS-263N right now. Unless I'm wrong, I could calibrate it with my Optix xr pro.

Thank you so much for giving so much time and help on this thread!

Peggy

 

[FatLeprechaun]

So I got the DoubleSight DS-263N, and it looks great! But how can I make sure I got one with the polarization filter? I got it from newegg so it should have the polarization filter, but I just want to make sure.

 

[billingsgate]

Originally posted by: 10e
The wide gamut problem is mostly due to non-color managed applications not understanding or working with wide gamut. Not sure about the technical background per se, but Photoshop does not suffer this issue as it is a purely color managed application.

I would recommend at least getting the SVII software kit to internally calibrate the color lookup tables on the NEC. I believe your colorimeter is supported by the software which means that you don't HAVE to get the full spectraview software/hardware combo. This will save you a bit of money. I highly recommend calibrating the LCD2x90WuXi internally using SpectraView/SVII, as the SVII software is the only software that will do this (I believe). Otherwise you are only calibrating your video card, where wide gamut becomes the issue.

Other than screen size and price, the only difference between the 26" and 24" WUXI models is the gamut. If you are using Adobe gamma images and RAW in the adobe color space it's better to have the wide gamut version. If you stick to sRGB it's better to get the 24".

You can run an extended desktop with the larger monitors and your 20" just fine. If you run them in clone mode you will either pan on the 20" due to it's lower resolution, or have to run at 1680x1050 on the 24" or 26" to get a perfectly cloned display, so it's better to stick to extended/multimon/dualview mode.

Hi. I'm trying to understand something here, and am getting lost under a bombardment of technical advice. The local NEC distributor in my area is offering me a 2690WUXi at a discount, so it ends up costing the same as the 2490WUXi. The catch is, neither is in stock, so I have to order one sight-unseen with no chance to test it.

From what I gather, it is beginning to look as if the 2690 is less accurate color than the 2490 for professional purposes. I use Photoshop some, but mostly work in Flash and other more high-end animation programs. As far as I know, none of these programs enables you to select different color profiles. But since much of what I produce is meant for TV, color accuracy is important. I've never used an LCD, and now am being forced by circumstances into getting one. The advice on this forum overwhelmingly points me at the NEC 2490. And the statement quoted above makes it sound as if I might, for example, come up with a color pallette for my animated characters which looks great on the 2690 but which will look dull and washed out on TV or on other people's consumer monitors. But at the same price, should I still prefer the 2490 over the 2690?

Last question: since the 2690 saves profile settings in the monitor, is it still possible to calibrate it with a Spyder? Or do I have to buy the NEC device for that?

Argh, I'm confused. Wish I could find a good flat-panel CRT and not have to bother with *&(#*&@(*# LCDs!

 

[qz33]

To xtknight

Do you think it would be possible to have a listing of glossy LCDs on the main first post?

Maybe a review of places that add gloss to a LCD you already have such as http://www.screentekinc.com/index.shtml

Also what of this information applies to LCD televisions? For example do manufacturers all use these different panel types or do they usually use one type or something even completely different?

 

[BlackJack3]

Does anyone know the difference between the Samsung 2253BW and 2253LW? Their descriptions are identical on Samsung's website. I can only speculate that one is glossy while the other is matte but could not confirm. Thanks.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: BlackJack3
Does anyone know the difference between the Samsung 2253BW and 2253LW? Their descriptions are identical on Samsung's website. I can only speculate that one is glossy while the other is matte but could not confirm. Thanks.

sounds like that could be it.
If you're in a place where you can easily manipulate lighting conditions I strongly recommend the glossy screen model. (just generic glossy vs matte advice)

 

[manko]

Any thoughts on the ViewSonic VX1962wm 19"? Or any other suggestions for a 1680x1050 20" for gaming and multimedia? (See my post above.)

 

[TempletonPeck]

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: BlackJack3
Does anyone know the difference between the Samsung 2253BW and 2253LW? Their descriptions are identical on Samsung's website. I can only speculate that one is glossy while the other is matte but could not confirm. Thanks.

sounds like that could be it.
If you're in a place where you can easily manipulate lighting conditions I strongly recommend the glossy screen model. (just generic glossy vs matte advice)

I thought they generally used the letter "G" to indicate glossy.

It would be 2253GW then, at least that would make some sense.

 

[wolfy87]

Any expiriencies with Samsung T220?
I heard of some backlight bleeding...

 

[10e]

For non-color managed applications, the 2490 is indeed slightly more accurate.

If you are working in the Adobe color space with a color managed app like Photoshop, the 2690 will be more accurate.

Since HDTV color gamut closely matches the sRGB color gamut, for people with HDTVs, or TVs in general, you will likely match them better with the 2490.

Either one you get, I would at least buy the SpectraView II software kit to go with a colorimeter so you can calibrate the monitor's internals. Your Spyder2/3 colorimeter is supported by SpectraView software.

The best is just to get the LCD2x90WuxiSV (Spectraview version) and get the whole package in one shot, as the X-Rite DTP94 colorimeter included in the package is supposed to be a good match for this monitor.

Regards,

10e

Originally posted by: billingsgate

Originally posted by: 10e
The wide gamut problem is mostly due to non-color managed applications not understanding or working with wide gamut. Not sure about the technical background per se, but Photoshop does not suffer this issue as it is a purely color managed application.

I would recommend at least getting the SVII software kit to internally calibrate the color

lookup tables on the NEC. I believe your colorimeter is supported by the software which means that you don't HAVE to get the full spectraview software/hardware combo. This will save you a bit of money. I highly recommend calibrating the LCD2x90WuXi internally using SpectraView/SVII, as the SVII software is the only software that will do this (I believe). Otherwise you are only calibrating your video card, where wide gamut becomes the issue.

Other than screen size and price, the only difference between the 26" and 24" WUXI models is the gamut. If you are using Adobe gamma images and RAW in the adobe color space it's better to have the wide gamut version. If you stick to sRGB it's better to get the 24".

You can run an extended desktop with the larger monitors and your 20" just fine. If you run them in clone mode you will either pan on the 20" due to it's lower resolution, or have to run at 1680x1050 on the 24" or 26" to get a perfectly cloned display, so it's better to stick to extended/multimon/dualview mode.

Hi. I'm trying to understand something here, and am getting lost under a bombardment of technical advice. The local NEC distributor in my area is offering me a 2690WUXi at a discount, so it ends up costing the same as the 2490WUXi. The catch is, neither is in stock, so I have to order one sight-unseen with no chance to test it.

From what I gather, it is beginning to look as if the 2690 is less accurate color than the 2490 for professional purposes. I use Photoshop some, but mostly work in Flash and other more high-end animation programs. As far as I know, none of these programs enables you to select different color profiles. But since much of what I produce is meant for TV, color accuracy is important. I've never used an LCD, and now am being forced by circumstances into getting one. The advice on this forum overwhelmingly points me at the NEC 2490. And the statement quoted above makes it sound as if I might, for example, come up with a color pallette for my animated characters which looks great on the 2690 but which will look dull and washed out on TV or on other people's consumer monitors. But at the same price, should I still prefer the 2490 over the 2690?

Last question: since the 2690 saves profile settings in the monitor, is it still possible to calibrate it with a Spyder? Or do I have to buy the NEC device for that?

Argh, I'm confused. Wish I could find a good flat-panel CRT and not have to bother with *&(#*&@(*# LCDs!

 

[10e]

I think the 2253LW is actually a 21.6" monitor, not a true "22".

Samsung is weird that way.

Why not call it a 21653ASDfljasd;fjawl. I doubt it's a glossy screen though. There is a 2232GW that is from Samsung.

Regards,

10e

Originally posted by: BlackJack3
Does anyone know the difference between the Samsung 2253BW and 2253LW? Their descriptions are identical on Samsung's website. I can only speculate that one is glossy while the other is matte but could not confirm. Thanks.

 

[asintu]

LG L226WTY-BF vs. Samsung 2253BW

Both very popular monitors. Which one would you recommend and why?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: BlackJack3
Hey guys; Noob poster here who registered because of this thread. I'm in need of a new monitor now. My needs are most importantly gaming followed by general productivity (web surfing/email/Office) and some light photo editing/management. Despite the drawbacks of TN panels, I"m really interested in a 22 inch display, because I feel it's the perfect combo of size and resolution for games (I have a really shallow desk and thus sit really close to my monitor as is, plus I'd rather have a lower res and more FPS for games at my monitor's native res). My choices right now are

1. LG L227WTG-PF. I saw that this is the first recommended gaming monitor in this thread. I only see it for sale at Best Buy right now for $340 though.

2. Samsung 2253BW. From what I can tell, this is the successor to some previous highly regarded Samsung 22 inch monitors for gaming. $290 right now before rebate.

3. Samsung T220 "Touch of Color" Series: This recently went on sale at Newegg. From what I can tell it is the exact same as the 2253BW with a more a stylish bezel? The only spec difference I can find is that is has a higher dynamic contrast ratio but I've heard DC ratios are mostly marketing bunk. $300 right now before rebate.

4. Acer AL2216Wbd. A budget option for only $220 right now.


I just want to add that whatever I buy will be a stop gap solution for 1-3 years until LCD tech gets more situated in general, especially in the 24+ inch range. I figure I'd pick up an affordable 22 inch panel right now and down the road once LED or maybe even OLED panels are more common, upgrade to a bigger (more expensive) panel. That 25.5 inch Doublesight monitor in the original posts is tempting but I don't think I'm ready for that size monitor until I get a bigger desk and don't want to spend over $400 at the moment.

I do think a 22" TN is fine for you. Is the ASUS VW222u an option for you? This is probably most suited to your purposes. It's matte and standard gamut.

The L227 is great although you'll have to use an ICM profile if you do sRGB-space (standard, web) photo editing. If you didn't use sRGB, you'd know it.