[Retired] The LCD Thread

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Isaac MM
I need a 24'' LCD monitor, max price 500$. I will use it for gaming, occasional movies. What do you suggest?

Check out the gaming section. BenQ G2400W. Should be fine for movies but a little better than other 24" VAs at gaming.

 

[tofu]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: tofu
has anyone created a standard 2253bw profile yet? i can't seem to find one.

i understand it won't be completely accurate, but considering i don't have the hardware to properly calibrate myself, it's better than nothing.

thanks.

Sorry, not that I know of. Somebody here said he may provide an ICC. http://forum.ncix.com/forums/i...age=1&product_id=29091

yes, i found that thread and bumped it requesting his profile, but i'm not holding my breath. can't PM or e-mail members on that forum

 

[Isaac MM]

What about the Samsung 2493HM? What's your opinion on it?

 

[pcsavvy]

This maybe a dumb question but I was wondering which is better a 22 inch or a 24 inch for someone who watches movies, surfs the web, text and light game player (ex. Hoyle Board Games)? I currently have a 17 inch CRT and movie watching is not as enjoyable as it could be. I will be getting my $600 from the IRS soon and was wondering if it is worth spending the extra money on a 24 inch versus 22 inch.


edit: I would like to update my 17 inch CRT to either a 22 inch or 24 inch lcd. Is it better to spend my money on a 24 inch like the Benq G2400w or save some bucks and spend it on a 22 inch like the Acer 2216 Wbd or Asus VW222U or LG L227WT? I surf the web, watch japanese anime and movies, work in Office 2007 and play Spider Solitaire and Hoyle Board games. My card has hdmi if that is of importance. edit

Thanks for your consideration..

 

[jon754]

fyi the lg l227wt/g does not do 1:1 pixel mapping.

 

[saechaka]

Anyone have any idea if this lcd uses an MVA or PVA screen? Slvania 2400w 24 lcd http://www.compusa.com/applica...pNo=3749757&CatId=2775

 

[colorblind]

One more question for you. In the past i've never calibrated a monitor. For the average user can one actually see a difference after calibration? Also I was planning on buying the Spyder3 pro. Any other suggestions or where to purchase? Thanks.

 

[Shura]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Shura
Hello everyone, i tried to refrain from posting lame posts and research instead but i couldn't refrain from posting on this issue.
I just build myself a system and i bought 24inch samsubng 245bw(5ms response) from costco @399 + tax

i love the size of the screen, its true that there is no such thing as monitor 2 big

however, i had 19 CRT before and i can't help but notice slight bluring when i play games. Weather its AirRivals or Call of duty 2 or stalker, i see slight blur when i move. other than that, its very sharp image. i didn't calibrate the monitor, but to my understanding its just for color accuracy. is it normal to see blur at 5 ms or do i have crappy monitor. please advice. Thank you.

ps specs
e8400(not OCed)
2 9600 gt oc leadtek
2 gb ram mushkin

Yeah most likely it is normal. The 245BW will definitely still have ghosting if you look for it. But the LCDs with lower response should have ghosting that is a little easier to get used to than the terrible smearing of older LCDs.

And make sure you're using native resolution on the 245BW(1920x1200).

Thank you for response, i am using native resolution. Mine is 5 btw, isn't the same like 3gtg. so you think 2gtg will be better?
question u hear million times before, what will be a better one, thats 24 inch.
i was tempted to by 2493hm but its the same panel as 245bw, lcd thingy inside i mean.
i am disappointed in lcd technology (
ps: running games in 1600x1200 increase that crappy bluring effect?

@TM2 Rampage
i don't have such option. but ty for response

 

[PBy]

As a newcomer to this site, can I ask what might appear to be a really dumb question? My aged CRT monitor has died (RIP) and I am using a spare 17" CRT for the present. I want to get a spanking new LCD that is suitable for photo editing and the two monitors that I have come to decide between (unless all you out there can suggest something else!) are the NEC Spectraview 2090 (a S_IPS panel of 4:3 aspect, 1600x1200 optimum res., 20" diagonal) and the Eizo CE210W (a S_PVA panel of 16:10 aspect, 1680x1050 optimum res., 21" diagonal). But my video card (Leadtek Winfast PX8800GTX 768MB TDH) does not support directly the 1680x1050 resolution; the only resolution of 16:10 aspect that it does support, according to the manual, is 2560x1600: and for that you need a 30" monitor, which I don't want.
What I still don't understand is the relationship between what the video card offers and the LCD monitor receives and uses, in respect of resolutions. The NEC has an optimum res. of 1600x1200, which my video card does support, so that is the easy choice; but I just wonder whether a widescreen would be useful but only at 20-22" size, and hence my interest in the Eizo CE210W- if my video card supports it.
Any explanations and advice would be most welcome.

 

[zonda87]

hi, i'm currently looking for a 24" lcd that meets the following requirements:

- component, hdmi, and dvi input
- 1:1 pixel mapping
- good colour reproduction for high def movies
- capable of doing some light gaming (CSS, CnC3, SCII [when available])
- budget: less than $700USD

i'm upgrading from my samsung 940b. i'm currently using a usb tv tuner to play some console games on it, but would like to be able to connect my consoles directly. however, built in speakers aren't necessary because i can connect the audio inputs to my desktop speakers.

i've looked at some of the offerings for dell, samsung, benq, and asus, but don't quite know what to get out of all of them. if you guys could help me out, that would be much appreciated. thanks in advance.

 

[Aggressor22]

Hello guys,

Im new to registering here, but not new to reading here.
Im in the market now for a new monitor, and my eyes are on a 24'' with at least 1080p.
Ive readed the first posts made by xtknight, very much and nice info.
Now i have to toss between:

NEC 2470WNX
Dell 2408WFP
HP LP2465

All three are the same price here (Netherlands), at about 600?. What i want is, a monitor that sports vibrant colors, and a great image quality overall, and offcourse a well made monitor (stable stand, bezel, etc).

Reading thorough this topic, ive understood the NEC 2470 doesnt have a wide gamut, while the other two do (dell/hp). Allthough, Trustedreviews rate the image quality of the NEC2470 a '10' :
http://www.trustedreviews.com/...ultiSync-LCD2470WNX/p1

While the dell 2408 gets a 7 for image quality there:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/...en-24in-LCD-Monitor/p1

Image quality is most important for me, but i would like it if the lcd have:
-1:1 pixel mapping
-DVIw/hdcp (hdmi is nice, but not a must have)
-Almost the best game experience regarding colors (blacks/vibrancy)
-Returing policy's, 3 years of warranty would be liked

Very important to me is thus image quality, i game alot of Battlefield 2, but input lag isnt a concern i think for me.
One of these 3 monitors im looking after, if there are better lcd's for the same price, please enlighten, but keep in mind i dont want the VX2435 for its looks and that i live in Holland, so i might not be able to buy all sorts of lcd's.

Thanks

Paul

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Isaac MM
What about the Samsung 2493HM? What's your opinion on it?

You can try to search for the 2493HM in this thread to get the most info on it. I believe the G2400W is in general still the best option for a 24" TN.

Originally posted by: pcsavvy
This maybe a dumb question but I was wondering which is better a 22 inch or a 24 inch for someone who watches movies, surfs the web, text and light game player (ex. Hoyle Board Games)? I currently have a 17 inch CRT and movie watching is not as enjoyable as it could be. I will be getting my $600 from the IRS soon and was wondering if it is worth spending the extra money on a 24 inch versus 22 inch.


Thanks

I still think a 24"@1920x1200 can be a wise investment for anyone (although 2560x1600 LCDs are probably excessive for general use). It will be a gargantuan move up from a 17" CRT.

The Dell 2408WFP, HP LP2465, and ViewSonic VX2435wm are great 24" LCDs to consider for your purposes.

Originally posted by: jon754
fyi the lg l227wt/g does not do 1:1 pixel mapping.

Thanks for the clarification. Does it do 4:3 properly?

Originally posted by: saechaka
Anyone have any idea if this lcd uses an MVA or PVA screen? Slvania 2400w 24 lcd http://www.compusa.com/applica...pNo=3749757&CatId=2775

I don't honestly know what kind of panel this is. But it is probably an S-PVA. I'll be keeping an eye on that model.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: colorblind
One more question for you. In the past i've never calibrated a monitor. For the average user can one actually see a difference after calibration? Also I was planning on buying the Spyder3 pro. Any other suggestions or where to purchase? Thanks.

Can the average user see the difference? I'm sure he can if he has healthy eyes. Will it make a difference for him? I don't know. Probably not. It does depend on how much the LCD you have deviates to begin with. Some are well-calibrated by default (like the ViewSonic VX2435wm), others poorly (e.g., ViewSonic VP930b). But how well a display is calibrated by default doesn't have much to do with how good the panel actually can be after calibration. (True that when it is calibrated better by default, not as many colors must be lost to correct it.)

I think that's a fine choice for a colorimeter. Not sure where to purchase it.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Shura
Thank you for response, i am using native resolution. Mine is 5 btw, isn't the same like 3gtg. so you think 2gtg will be better?
question u hear million times before, what will be a better one, thats 24 inch.
i was tempted to by 2493hm but its the same panel as 245bw, lcd thingy inside i mean.
i am disappointed in lcd technology (
ps: running games in 1600x1200 increase that crappy bluring effect?

Running in a mode that must be expanded will increase blur and reduce clarity a lot, yes.

The G2400w is maybe something to try, but I doubt it will be that much different. It's possible. Maybe the 2493 is worse than I think it is (I have not been able to find a streak/blur analysis of it), or maybe you are experiencing some other problem.

I am not sure that the 2493 uses overdrive or overdrive to its fullest extent. Samsung has lightened it up on a lot of their models (although due to possible overdrive errors and artifacts).

Originally posted by: PBy
As a newcomer to this site, can I ask what might appear to be a really dumb question? My aged CRT monitor has died (RIP) and I am using a spare 17" CRT for the present. I want to get a spanking new LCD that is suitable for photo editing and the two monitors that I have come to decide between (unless all you out there can suggest something else!) are the NEC Spectraview 2090 (a S_IPS panel of 4:3 aspect, 1600x1200 optimum res., 20" diagonal) and the Eizo CE210W (a S_PVA panel of 16:10 aspect, 1680x1050 optimum res., 21" diagonal). But my video card (Leadtek Winfast PX8800GTX 768MB TDH) does not support directly the 1680x1050 resolution; the only resolution of 16:10 aspect that it does support, according to the manual, is 2560x1600: and for that you need a 30" monitor, which I don't want.

NVIDIA video cards support every resolution up to their max, including ones whose width and height are a not even a division of eight. You are fine.

If you are paying that for a 20" or 21", do keep in mind you can get 24" and 26" ones for around the same price (at least better (quality+size)/$) and same or better overall quality. Check out the SpectraView 2490 and 2690.

The CE is a poor choice due to the VA panel, so you could go with a CG IPS model Eizo or the NEC SpectraView IPS series instead.

What I still don't understand is the relationship between what the video card offers and the LCD monitor receives and uses, in respect of resolutions. The NEC has an optimum res. of 1600x1200, which my video card does support, so that is the easy choice; but I just wonder whether a widescreen would be useful but only at 20-22" size, and hence my interest in the Eizo CE210W- if my video card supports it.
Any explanations and advice would be most welcome.

The video card has a bandwidth limit, not really a resolution limit (at least on the TMDS transmitter or RAMDAC itself). If your card doesn't support 1680x1050 but does support 2560x1600, the best thing to do is send it back for a refund; that is unacceptable. But I am sure it is just an overlooking in the manual. LeadTek manufactures the board, not the GPU, TMDS transmitter, or driver. You are at NVIDIA's mercy, and NVIDIA does support the resolution fine unless LeadTek has somehow artificially handicapped that (extremely unlikely). This is akin to buying a motherboard that does not let you use CPUs of a lower multiplier, but works fine with high multipliers (which I've never heard of).

I like widescreens at bigger sizes as well. Your 8800 video card should work with any size LCD currently on the market, including TVs 50" and higher, assuming PC compatibility.

The monitor communicates to the video card what it supports. The video card sets itself to these modes and sends a signal to the monitor. For older monitors (over 5+ years old today) that did not do this, drivers were required to get full resolution and proper modes.

These modes it sends are ones that it can show natively (the native resolution) or scale by means of its own DSP.

The video card can downscale or upscale resolutions in its own processor, and then resend them as native to the monitor so the monitor "knows no different". When you look at the monitor OSD, the resolution will appear to be its native, but you know that it isn't because you set your video card differently. The video card often has options for 1:1, aspect ratio, or fill scaling as well. Or, you can make it send the signal to the monitor so the monitor can scale it. Quality may vary between the two scalers. If you send a signal the monitor does not support, its scaler usually will not be invoked and you may end up with an "Out of Range" message or less likely, a terrible image.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: zonda87
hi, i'm currently looking for a 24" lcd that meets the following requirements:

- component, hdmi, and dvi input
- 1:1 pixel mapping
- good colour reproduction for high def movies
- capable of doing some light gaming (CSS, CnC3, SCII [when available])
- budget: less than $700USD

i'm upgrading from my samsung 940b. i'm currently using a usb tv tuner to play some console games on it, but would like to be able to connect my consoles directly. however, built in speakers aren't necessary because i can connect the audio inputs to my desktop speakers.

i've looked at some of the offerings for dell, samsung, benq, and asus, but don't quite know what to get out of all of them. if you guys could help me out, that would be much appreciated. thanks in advance.

I think the Dell 2408WFP would suit your needs just dandily. You might want to check out HardForum if you have questions about a specific model. I have not used the 2408 myself or hooked any devices up to it. This is a review that covers it. I think it is generally OK but maybe some problems with certain scaling options or connections: http://monitortest.blogspot.com/

If you think those would bother you then I could suggest the VX2435wm but this has problems of its own...like somewhat unreliable and wonky scaling. You probably won't find a monitor that doesn't have some problem to which you'll have to get accustomed.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Aggressor22
Hello guys,

Im new to registering here, but not new to reading here.
Im in the market now for a new monitor, and my eyes are on a 24'' with at least 1080p.
Ive readed the first posts made by xtknight, very much and nice info.
Now i have to toss between:

NEC 2470WNX
Dell 2408WFP
HP LP2465

All three are the same price here (Netherlands), at about 600?. What i want is, a monitor that sports vibrant colors, and a great image quality overall, and offcourse a well made monitor (stable stand, bezel, etc).

Reading thorough this topic, ive understood the NEC 2470 doesnt have a wide gamut, while the other two do (dell/hp). Allthough, Trustedreviews rate the image quality of the NEC2470 a '10' :
http://www.trustedreviews.com/...ultiSync-LCD2470WNX/p1

While the dell 2408 gets a 7 for image quality there:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/...en-24in-LCD-Monitor/p1

Image quality is most important for me, but i would like it if the lcd have:
-1:1 pixel mapping
-DVIw/hdcp (hdmi is nice, but not a must have)
-Almost the best game experience regarding colors (blacks/vibrancy)
-Returing policy's, 3 years of warranty would be liked

Very important to me is thus image quality, i game alot of Battlefield 2, but input lag isnt a concern i think for me.
One of these 3 monitors im looking after, if there are better lcd's for the same price, please enlighten, but keep in mind i dont want the VX2435 for its looks and that i live in Holland, so i might not be able to buy all sorts of lcd's.

Thanks

Paul

The HP LP2465 is not wide gamut (at least in the US), but I would suggest the Dell 2408WFP. This will deliver very vibrant colors due to the backlight. The speed issues have been somewhat resolved or they turned out not to be that bad AFAIK.

Trustedreviews is not a place I trust much. The review I linked in the last post for the 2408 is a good one and generally has satisfying but honest things to say about its image quality.

The LCD2490WUXi is something to consider but I doubt that it is any cheaper there than it is here.

 

[hypeMarked]

Is there a difference between BenQ G2400W and BenQ G2400WD?

Thanks,

 

[Aggressor22]

Thanks for your answer xtknight.
I can buy the Dell through my work for 550 euro's which is cheaper then the other two.
Does the Dell 2408WFP have at least a comparable image quality compared to the NEC 2470WNX?
Cause indeed at trusted, the nec is rated as a '10' for image quality and the Dell a '7', allthough, the review dates differ a year from each other.

About the 2490/2690 series, i can only dream of it cause of two reasons:

1)Not aviable in Europe
2)Too expensive

Let me hear what you think about the 2408wfp's image quality, if its at least as good as the nec 2470's, im gonna order it.

Thanks

 

[imported_Champ]

I was wondering if I would see a difference between single link DVI, Dual Link DVI or HDMI, on the main page is says that HDMI then dual link, but will it make a noticable difference over single link DVI, or is it a difference that is there but you cannot tell?

Digital
HDMI (165 MHz+)
Dual-link DVI (310 MHz)
Single-link DVI (165 MHz)

Also does anyone know when we will be seeing HDMI on videocards

 

[hypeMarked]

One more question, what about the BenQ V2400W vs BenQ G2400W vs BenQ G2400WD? They are at the same price range, are they using the same panel?

 

[pcsavvy]

Also does anyone know when we will be seeing HDMI on videocards

Champ, my video card has hdmi, using an adapter, as does other video cards. Just be sure to read the specs. It will mostly be the 3xxx and 8xxx and 9xxx series of cards. Though I am not sure if at this point hdmi is important or not. In the future it most likely will be.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: hypeMarked
Is there a difference between BenQ G2400W and BenQ G2400WD?

Thanks,

The G2400WD has a dynamic contrast feature. I am not sure if this makes the G2400WD better in practice. It won't make a big difference to picture quality, that is for sure. The G2400WD may have other improvements I'm not aware of, we'll have to wait for reviews.

As for the WAD model (vs. WD) if anyone is curious: It is a VGA, analog-only model for Europe. In Europe, there is a DVI tax so this connector is omitted on most more mainstream models than it is in North America.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Aggressor22
Thanks for your answer xtknight.
I can buy the Dell through my work for 550 euro's which is cheaper then the other two.
Does the Dell 2408WFP have at least a comparable image quality compared to the NEC 2470WNX?
Cause indeed at trusted, the nec is rated as a '10' for image quality and the Dell a '7', allthough, the review dates differ a year from each other.

About the 2490/2690 series, i can only dream of it cause of two reasons:

1)Not aviable in Europe
2)Too expensive

Let me hear what you think about the 2408wfp's image quality, if its at least as good as the nec 2470's, im gonna order it.

Thanks

I am quite sure the 2408WFP will surpass the 2470, especially in vibrancy, due to the wider gamut panel. That is, unless you are doing sRGB photo work where it matches the older backlight better, but even then you can use a profile. The 2408WFP should look good for movies and games where the exact gamut to be used is rather unspecified. It'll also look great on sRGB pictures, it just won't quite appear accurate. The 2470 won't be either, but its backlight is better for conventional sRGB material like photos. You can use profiles for web browsers so that wide gamut looks accurate.

 

[Aggressor22]

Your explanation is very easy to understand, i feel the dell 2408WFP perfectly suits my needs. Its a bonus that i can order it via my work, which comes with 5 years warrenty + its cheaper.

Gonna order this one coming monday for 550 euro's.
Btw, you seem to be right as in DisplayMate the 2408 outscored the 2470 NEC here:
http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-mo...5-3174_7-32886455.html

Rare is that it only has a contrast ratio of 891:1 on that review, while here:
http://bp2.blogger.com/_0-tLLf...0-h/Black+Contrast.jpg

It does have 1111, which is alot more?

Anyway, this 2408wfp is better then the other considered HP lp2465 also?
Another question is, on Prad.de, they gave the 2407-HC just a + for 'Subjective impression of image quality', does the 2408 better here?

Thanks for your helpfull input, im glad to have made a choice after 3 months for search for a 24'' beast

EDIT:

Last questions xtknight, this review rates the 2408 very bad:
http://www.behardware.com/arti...th-iolair-vs-dell.html

Should i bother or not?
Second question, should i wait for the revA01 version? or can i order it now without needing to worry about big differences?

Thx

 

[blingboi]

Are there any retailers carrying the ASUS VW222u, i really want to look at it before I buy it. I'm not sure buying it online and realizing I can't live with the amount of back light bleeding and would want to exchange it is cost effective.

I'm choosing it because I don't like glossy because I'm ugly and I don't like looking at my reflection and I heard it's the best gaming LCD thats matte.