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zero2dash

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I'm shopping for a 2nd 22" and I'd like to get another w2207 or the LG L227WTG to have the glossy screen, I'm thinking about the ViewSonic VX2255wmb which DigitalVersus rated very highly.

I do need a monitor with good color representation because I do PMS color/graphic design work (mainly Illustrator + InDesign, with some Photoshop + Acrobat work as well)...but with good stats for gaming as well (FPS for me, the Sims for my wife).

From the DigitalVersus review, the ViewSonic did awesome at color out of the box; almost as great as after calibration.

I just don't know about getting a matte screen though after having my w2207 glossy for a year now. Anyone - please give your thoughts; I'd appreciate it. I guess I'm trying to figure out whether or not the glossy coating is worth the $100, give or take. I like the lower price of the ViewSonic ($239 after $20 rebate @ NewEgg), but wonder if I'm going to miss the gloss that much...

TIA
 

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We'll a little update on my viewsonic RMA if anyone cares. I finally got sick of waiting on my RMA, calling everyday aparently they recived my monitor on the 8th but havent even scanned the box yet and i found out there 5-7 day replacement on enchanges only counts once they scan my RMA'd box watta joke how slow can you be to scan a damn box its been over a week since they had my monitor

I decited to dig for names and found the name of the executive in charge of customer support, yea a executive hehe. Marc L. Maupin. I called him at his corporate office left him a message. 1 hour later my rma was done, he expedited it based off my tracking number from UPS showing they have my VX922 and had it on the 8th. I told him the model i would prefer to get as a replacement cuss the VX922 is a discontinued defective POS.

No problem he said, lol he swapped out my old VX922 for the brand new only 4-5 month old model VX1962WM.

Morning Jon,

It was good to talk with you this morning. I also received your voice mail and checked your RMA. The product was received July 8th. I have converted your RMA to ship today or tomorrow. You will be receiving a VX1962WM service unit instead of the VX922 you sent to us. The CRM system will send you the FEDEX tracking number for your VX1962WM. The Tech Support team on copy to this email can respond to any questions not answered by the Call center. I will also update your email address in the CRM system as it was in error.?..best regards, marc

The other e-mail

Morning Jon,

Thanks for the good feedback. I will work with our Call Center management to improve the agent?s response. I will also refund your $42 in shipping since the replacement was defective. If you will send me a PDF Scan of your UPS invoice for $42, and the address to where you wish the check mailed, I will take care of that as well.

Best regards, marc

So i just got upgraded by a huge margin lol. My old VX922 a 19" Square LCD with 1280x1024 resolution 600:1 contrast, .29 dot pitch aha.

To a VX1962wm 19" Widescreen with 1680x1050 resolution 1000:1 contrast, .23-.24 dot pitch lol.

I should get it on the 18th Friday based off my Fedex tracking.

It amazing how to get stuff done you have to call to the big wigs at corporate, i also like he had no problem giving me this new monitor and calling me within 30min after my message on his voicemail. He is also mailing me a $42 check to refund the shipping i had to pay for to mail my vx922 in to them. I live on the eastcoast there in california shipping for ground for $42 lol. I found out i didnt have to pay for it either.

Woot viewsonic. At least there very generous on RMA replacement's for defective/discontinued items.


I just hope this "Service Unit" aka refubrished isnt all banged up and defective lol


I'll let you all know how this new monitor is. I know from earlier responses that no one knew anything about them, i cant even find a review on google for them either cuss there so new. You all might not like 19" but a widescreen with the resolution of a 22" monitor the dot pitch is super small. I bet the picture looks amazing on this thing.



In response to the guy up top

If your into graphics, shouldnt you get the VG series from viewsonic VG meaning graphics ?
 

zero2dash

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Actually the VX2255wmb tested better on grays and colors out of the box than the VG2230wm (which surprised me) on DigitalVersus.com
The VX is also $40 cheaper and has the rebate whereas the VG is $299 flat @ NewEgg (no rebates).

Now I'm even looking at the Samsung 2253BW but I'm gun-shy about buying a Samsung after the panel lottery fiasco with the 226BW's.
 

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I was at BJs today and they had a few HDTVs that had a PC input.
Does anyone know if they are any good for use as a monitor?
I don't play games. All I need is something that will be good enough for the web and other programs like Quicken.
 

zero2dash

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Now I'm thinking of getting the Samsung 2253BW since it's available locally for $299. I went and looked at some monitors yesterday at Best Buy, they had the 2232BW+ which looked pretty good. Circuit City across the street has the 2253BW, I'm going to take a look at it tomorrow at lunch time and maybe pick one up. I wish the ViewSonic's were available locally at B&M...*sigh*
 

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Originally posted by: gil
I was at BJs today and they had a few HDTVs that had a PC input.
Does anyone know if they are any good for use as a monitor?
I don't play games. All I need is something that will be good enough for the web and other programs like Quicken.

Just make sure your choice in HDTV has an input that matches the output of your video card and you should be fine. If you only have VGA (d-sub) out on your computer and get a TV with DVI or HDMI it won't work. Note that you will get better picture quality if you can go digital (DVI or HDMI out from computer to same input on TV).
 

zero2dash

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Well I went to Circuit City to buy the Samsung 2253BW for $299 and was pleasantly surprised to see 2 2232GW's in the case, which is the one I'd prefer anyway, since it's a GW which has a glossy screen like my w2207 - but their website said the GW was not available in stores so I scratched it off my list.. Had them pricematch their own website (he said the store price came up as $369, I knew it was under $300 on their site)...walked out of the door with it for $289, and it's BEAUTIFUL. (I have it hooked up to my G5 here at work through DVI)

I'm also picking up a desk off Craigslist tomorrow. (Still need to pick up some speakers...*sigh*)
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: Aggressor22
Originally posted by: Denithor
Aggressor, keep us posted on how you like your new screen.

I played some more last night with mine and I just cannot believe how much better it is than the old Samsung 204B I used previously. The larger field of view is just awesome!

Yes i will post my experiences here so people can read more about this screen, not much is known yet on this one. I will probaly like it as im on a Iiyama vision master pro 454 now (crt from 2002).

I dont care the color accuracy to be honest, i like the vividness of those wide gamut screens, even the Samsung 226CW which had many bad reviews, i loved the image quality when i saw it in a store, but i need full hd + 24'' or bigger and offcourse not TN.

I just hope this screen is as good or better then the Dell 2408WFP, cause its about the same price

EDIT:

Another thing to note on this site:
http://www.samsung.com/global/...609&partnum=LTM270CS01

Samsung specifies 1.074B(8bit+FRC) for the 2709w's panel, isnt FRC an cheap trick to get more colors? or is it a true 8bit panel+ that trick to improve even more on colors?

Another question, the bigger dotpitch versus the 2408, does that decrease the overall image quality? according to xtknights post, images will be less fine on a bigger dotpitch screen.
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

The color depth is an interesting bit. It might be in there for use with pro monitors, but I doubt consumer monitors take advantage of the feature. It may very well be true 8-bit with more FRC to achieve 10-bit or something like, it. I don't know. Or it might just mean "8-bit using FRC".

Bigger dot pitch just means the picture will be bigger and you have a higher chance of seeing individual pixels, but it does not really "reduce the image quality".

Originally posted by: miken32
Originally posted by: xtknight
I'd probably prefer the glossy LG L227WTG-PF simply because glossy helps contrast.


This seems to be your low-budget recommended monitor. I was looking at a Dell 2208WFP though. I notice the LG has a wider viewing angle of 176 degrees, but is otherwise similar. Is there a reason you like this monitor so much? Or on the other hand is there a reason you don't recommend the Dell? Thanks.

Honestly I have been asked about the Dell many, many times, I don't really know what to say other than that I've never used it, haven't seen a review on it, and can't really vouch for it. So I stick with models that have been reviewed professionally with decent marks and/or have a good solid base of favorable user reviews.

If you feel otherwise you can let me know, but I don't see anything particularly appealing about the Dell at this point. Dells are prone to response time problems and have fuzzy anti-glare coatings, but I still recommend higher revs of the higher end models since they usually fix the response time issues there, or the bigger Dells are such a good deal I recommend them anyway.

The LG fits all my criteria for an economical panel: it's fast, has decent color setup, is a very good value, and has a glossy panel to increase contrast. Best of all it's not involved in the panel lotteries. I don't see a better choice out there.

Viewing angles are inflated as manufacturers see fit. But all TNs have the same viewing angle, with very minor differences maybe due to the type of compensation film used on the panel.

Originally posted by: Eadward1
Hello,

I'm interested in recommendations for a 24" LCD for general use. I do digital photo editing, some video editing, and some other multi-media. Very light and occasional gaming. I'd like good color fidelity, ability to view off axis, and a good selection of inputs. Decent responsiveness but doesn't have to be the fastest given it's not for hard core gaming. I like the NEC 2490WUXi but would want more inputs, including HDMI.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Unfortunately there are no H-IPS panels that have an HDMI input, that I am aware of. However, you can convert HDMI to DVI with a simple adapter.

The LaCie 324 has HDMI, but an S-PVA panel and not the H-IPS one I highly recommend for photo editing.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: grzequ
Originally posted by: xtknight
But I would assume the WT-PF is of the same quality as its WTG counterpart. I say go for it. I am not sure about the return policies over there, maybe that "go for it" is a bit premature?
So, I've picked the 227WT and it has arrived today, I'm using it right now.

The screen itself is nice and I can almost say I like every single thing about it, but unfortunately there's a little thing (probably fixable) that is annoying me. I somehow cannot get rid of the red color everywhere.

That fEngine thing is being really weird to me, it changes brightness and contrast all the time for some reason, totally ignoring my settings. But when the fEngine kicks on (the screen gets really bright), my red color issues suddenly disappear.
This is really weird, I tell you, cause I seem to have no control over things at all.

Have used that forteManager tool? There's a picture used for balancing out the colors manually and I can't find any way to give those guys some nice and shiny faces. The faces remain red, no matter what I do.

Can you recommend me any good way to calibrate this screen? Or at least how to gain control over the settings.

EDIT: Damn, maybe it isn't the screen at all. The colors turn good everytime i open CCC (catalyst control center, a tool from ATI) and go bad everytime my resolution changes or I reboot the computer. So everytime I turn a game on, the colors turn pretty awful
I don't have any idea what's going on anymore.

When you open ATI CCC it will load a new gamma ramp on to the video card. You probably have desktop gamma settings set in the ATI control panel. It seems like the colors would be bad when you opened ATI CCC as if you had previous settings, but I don't know what's going on there. It's possible the gamma settings are somewhere else and ATI CCC is resetting them to 1.0,1.0,1.0 again. Check color profiles, "LUT loaders", "gamma" programs in your settings or startup folder.

Originally posted by: HorseFace
Hrm I have the opportunity to grab a 24" BenQ G2400W, but I'm really in love with this new LG L227WTG. Will the BenQ show me anything better than the LG, or would I just be disapointed?

The BenQ doesn't have a glossy screen, so it's possible you'd be disappointed. You might like the size better though.

Originally posted by: zero2dash
I'm shopping for a 2nd 22" and I'd like to get another w2207 or the LG L227WTG to have the glossy screen, I'm thinking about the ViewSonic VX2255wmb which DigitalVersus rated very highly.

I do need a monitor with good color representation because I do PMS color/graphic design work (mainly Illustrator + InDesign, with some Photoshop + Acrobat work as well)...but with good stats for gaming as well (FPS for me, the Sims for my wife).

From the DigitalVersus review, the ViewSonic did awesome at color out of the box; almost as great as after calibration.

I just don't know about getting a matte screen though after having my w2207 glossy for a year now. Anyone - please give your thoughts; I'd appreciate it. I guess I'm trying to figure out whether or not the glossy coating is worth the $100, give or take. I like the lower price of the ViewSonic ($239 after $20 rebate @ NewEgg), but wonder if I'm going to miss the gloss that much...

TIA

Maybe the matte would be better for photo editing because that's what most people have. I never really bought into that theory 100%, but seeing as how the ViewSonic is cheaper and has good default colors, as well as a standard gamut (which is very important for editing sRGB photos), I say go for that.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: Candymancan
We'll a little update on my viewsonic RMA if anyone cares. I finally got sick of waiting on my RMA, calling everyday aparently they recived my monitor on the 8th but havent even scanned the box yet and i found out there 5-7 day replacement on enchanges only counts once they scan my RMA'd box watta joke how slow can you be to scan a damn box its been over a week since they had my monitor

There's corporate America for you.

I decited to dig for names and found the name of the executive in charge of customer support, yea a executive hehe. Marc L. Maupin. I called him at his corporate office left him a message. 1 hour later my rma was done, he expedited it based off my tracking number from UPS showing they have my VX922 and had it on the 8th. I told him the model i would prefer to get as a replacement cuss the VX922 is a discontinued defective POS.

No problem he said, lol he swapped out my old VX922 for the brand new only 4-5 month old model VX1962WM.

Morning Jon,

It was good to talk with you this morning. I also received your voice mail and checked your RMA. The product was received July 8th. I have converted your RMA to ship today or tomorrow. You will be receiving a VX1962WM service unit instead of the VX922 you sent to us. The CRM system will send you the FEDEX tracking number for your VX1962WM. The Tech Support team on copy to this email can respond to any questions not answered by the Call center. I will also update your email address in the CRM system as it was in error.?..best regards, marc

The other e-mail

Morning Jon,

Thanks for the good feedback. I will work with our Call Center management to improve the agent?s response. I will also refund your $42 in shipping since the replacement was defective. If you will send me a PDF Scan of your UPS invoice for $42, and the address to where you wish the check mailed, I will take care of that as well.

Best regards, marc

So i just got upgraded by a huge margin lol. My old VX922 a 19" Square LCD with 1280x1024 resolution 600:1 contrast, .29 dot pitch aha.

To a VX1962wm 19" Widescreen with 1680x1050 resolution 1000:1 contrast, .23-.24 dot pitch lol.

I should get it on the 18th Friday based off my Fedex tracking.

It amazing how to get stuff done you have to call to the big wigs at corporate, i also like he had no problem giving me this new monitor and calling me within 30min after my message on his voicemail. He is also mailing me a $42 check to refund the shipping i had to pay for to mail my vx922 in to them. I live on the eastcoast there in california shipping for ground for $42 lol. I found out i didnt have to pay for it either.

Woot viewsonic. At least there very generous on RMA replacement's for defective/discontinued items.

Yup. All they need to do now is make all the reps executives I guess.


I just hope this "Service Unit" aka refubrished isnt all banged up and defective lol


I'll let you all know how this new monitor is. I know from earlier responses that no one knew anything about them, i cant even find a review on google for them either cuss there so new. You all might not like 19" but a widescreen with the resolution of a 22" monitor the dot pitch is super small. I bet the picture looks amazing on this thing.



In response to the guy up top

If your into graphics, shouldnt you get the VG series from viewsonic VG meaning graphics ?

This doesn't have much bearing on the actual quality of the monitor. I'm not sure why they still use this notation as their monitors have not followed this. The VX's and VP's usually end up being much better quality than the VG's.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: gil
I was at BJs today and they had a few HDTVs that had a PC input.
Does anyone know if they are any good for use as a monitor?
I don't play games. All I need is something that will be good enough for the web and other programs like Quicken.

It's possible that they will work but there could be problems like overscan. They may also have odd resolutions like 1366x768 that may or may not be supported by your video card. I don't usually recommend this route, but if you must, it's alright. The only way to know for sure is to try it from a store where you can return it.

Denithor has good points about the inputs as well. You can hook it up via VGA if it has a DVI-I input, but it is still much preferred to use a DVI-D connection. If it's HDMI, you know that port only accepts digital signals.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: mg2plus
Hi all!

Perhaps you would be interested in an article that I wrote about adjusting contrast and brightness. I think it is a must-read, whether you are expert or novice.

In my opinion, 95% of people have brightness and contrast controls set to wrong values that result in bad picture and soar eyes.

Guide: adjusting brightness and contrast

Any comments are welcome.

Sorry it took me awhile to get around to it.

I do have some suggestions.
If you were unable to set brightness and contrast in such a way that all edges and squares are clearly distinguishable, than you have a really bad monitor.

I don't feel this is true. Make sure the user knows that he may never be able to get the 252,253,254,255 shades to show up differently. This is very hard to do, even on pro panels after hardware calibration. (Although when you look at an angle it might become more distinguished due to gamma shift, but that's not the goal here.) On my LCD2690 I can only see two shades in the left picture. It has been hardware calibrated. (Not sure if PVA panels would have more luck here.)

I think adjusting the LCD depends more on the use than being able to see all the dark or all the light colors. My dark grayscale and light grayscale tests aren't really a good influence. I think education is always good but I try not to classify TN panels as "bad", as actually they are quite nice for a lot of things if you get the right ones. I have to say, the only TNs I think are worth it are 22" widescreens, though.

246,249,252,255 is more than reasonable. That's probably about as far as you want to go with basic adjustments, otherwise it is too hard to tell. I know it should be obvious to people that not all monitors can do this, but unfortunately they might be sitting there for 30 mins all for naught trying to get 253,254 to show up differently.

It's good that you have an enhanced image though. That makes it so they know what to expect.

Maybe you want to cover something about gamma adjustment. That can fix problems on a lot of LCDs. I recommend adjustment of either the three channels at once or all the channels at once, because generating a 256*256 table of gamma by adjusting Bezier curves is very difficult to do properly (the NVIDIA control panel or RivaTuner lets you do this) and often results in worse color. Simple programs are ones like QuickGamma, or most video control panels let you adjust gamma as well.

Some monitors have an option for gamma. Many Samsungs and LGs have three levels of adjustment, and maybe some Dells as well. Don't worry about the pro monitors that have more fine gamma adjustment in the advanced menu, people should be using calibration if they want the pro models right. I understand you're trying to keep the guide simple.

Many wide gamut monitors have complicated the fact of calibration since their sRGB modes often yield dull pictures. You may want to mention that for these monitors, the standard mode is more preferable along with using a color profile for the browser. That might be getting a little complicated though.

The movies and laptop use I agree with. For text use, contrast is good because you want your eyes to be able to distinguish as much as possible between black and white. Usually, setting contrast higher than 50 clips the grayscale and is bad. I would leave it at 50% and reduce brightness as much as possible. Reducing brightness is directly reducing the backlight most of the time. It will save power and yield a better picture (low brightness at high contrast). It honestly depends on the monitor. Some may look terrible with low brightness and high contrast set, it just depends. In my experience that's the most logical and sensible way to do it for text.

LCDs are not always easy to adjust and I think you put together a good guide. I will add it to the OP Calibration links and accredit it to you.
 

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Originally posted by: xtknight
When you open ATI CCC it will load a new gamma ramp on to the video card. You probably have desktop gamma settings set in the ATI control panel. It seems like the colors would be bad when you opened ATI CCC as if you had previous settings, but I don't know what's going on there. It's possible the gamma settings are somewhere else and ATI CCC is resetting them to 1.0,1.0,1.0 again. Check color profiles, "LUT loaders", "gamma" programs in your settings or startup folder.
Huh, I must tell you this is really weird stuff I uninstalled that tool from LG, since it only gave me problems and crashed sometimes. And guess what, the colors look good now

The last thing remaining to fix seems to be the fEngine, which tortures me with constant brightness changes. Let's say I'm watching a movie and the screen goes dark, one second later it's even darker cause the fEngine reduced the brightness. And when the image reapear, the brightness gets highered. I can't really see the point of that except of it being some kind of an energy saving feature. Is there any way to turn that off?

Otherwise, the screen is totally fine I can say that I'm pretty satisfied
 

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'Or it might just mean "8-bit using FRC".'

If you are right on this one, does that mean it isnt a true 8-bit s-pva panel?
I would be very mad if i bought an S-PVA with no true 8-bit panel, hopefully xtknight will answer soon as i can return the screen within 5 work-days.

Thanks

EDIT:

xtknight, i did some research, i found this out on tftcentral:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/news_archive/13.htm

''LTM270CS01 - 27"WS S-PVA, 1920 x 1200 resolution, 6ms G2G response time, 3000:1 dynamic contrast ratio, 400 cd/m2 brightness, 178/178 viewing angles. Interestingly the spec lists the screen as being 8-bit colour depth but also using Frame Rate Control (FRC) to boost the colour palette to 1.074 billion colours!''
 

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Originally posted by: Aggressor22
'Or it might just mean "8-bit using FRC".'

If you are right on this one, does that mean it isnt a true 8-bit s-pva panel?
I would be very mad if i bought an S-PVA with no true 8-bit panel, hopefully xtknight will answer soon as i can return the screen within 5 work-days.

Thanks

EDIT:

xtknight, i did some research, i found this out on tftcentral:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/news_archive/13.htm

''LTM270CS01 - 27"WS S-PVA, 1920 x 1200 resolution, 6ms G2G response time, 3000:1 dynamic contrast ratio, 400 cd/m2 brightness, 178/178 viewing angles. Interestingly the spec lists the screen as being 8-bit colour depth but also using Frame Rate Control (FRC) to boost the colour palette to 1.074 billion colours!''

As I say it really looks like it's true 8-bit with FRC. That's the only way they'd be able to reach 1.074B colors. My last comment didn't make sense because 6-bit+FRC can't reach 1.074B.
 

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Originally posted by: grzequ
Originally posted by: xtknight
When you open ATI CCC it will load a new gamma ramp on to the video card. You probably have desktop gamma settings set in the ATI control panel. It seems like the colors would be bad when you opened ATI CCC as if you had previous settings, but I don't know what's going on there. It's possible the gamma settings are somewhere else and ATI CCC is resetting them to 1.0,1.0,1.0 again. Check color profiles, "LUT loaders", "gamma" programs in your settings or startup folder.
Huh, I must tell you this is really weird stuff I uninstalled that tool from LG, since it only gave me problems and crashed sometimes. And guess what, the colors look good now

The last thing remaining to fix seems to be the fEngine, which tortures me with constant brightness changes. Let's say I'm watching a movie and the screen goes dark, one second later it's even darker cause the fEngine reduced the brightness. And when the image reapear, the brightness gets highered. I can't really see the point of that except of it being some kind of an energy saving feature. Is there any way to turn that off?

Otherwise, the screen is totally fine I can say that I'm pretty satisfied

Well it usually says in the manual that USER or NORMAL or something like that can turn it off. I don't know for sure, but I thought you could turn it off with this screen. Try looking in the manual if you have it, or the one online.
 

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Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: Aggressor22
'Or it might just mean "8-bit using FRC".'

If you are right on this one, does that mean it isnt a true 8-bit s-pva panel?
I would be very mad if i bought an S-PVA with no true 8-bit panel, hopefully xtknight will answer soon as i can return the screen within 5 work-days.

Thanks

EDIT:

xtknight, i did some research, i found this out on tftcentral:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/news_archive/13.htm

''LTM270CS01 - 27"WS S-PVA, 1920 x 1200 resolution, 6ms G2G response time, 3000:1 dynamic contrast ratio, 400 cd/m2 brightness, 178/178 viewing angles. Interestingly the spec lists the screen as being 8-bit colour depth but also using Frame Rate Control (FRC) to boost the colour palette to 1.074 billion colours!''

As I say it really looks like it's true 8-bit with FRC. That's the only way they'd be able to reach 1.074B colors. My last comment didn't make sense because 6-bit+FRC can't reach 1.074B.

Thanks for your fast answer!
Makes me feel better of the purchase of this monster, had it received this morning, gonna hook it up next week to my new pc as i still have to build the new pc. Ill write a mini-review of the monitor, but as far the impression of the mechanics go, im very impressed, very sturdy base and they even delivered an DisplayPort cable with it.

 

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Unfortunately there are no H-IPS panels that have an HDMI input, that I am aware of.

Hopefully that will change, this HP LP2475w looks pretty sweet. Any info on this one?

Also I'd really be interested in an updated NEC 2490WUXi w/ a boatload of inputs including HDMI. Any ideas when the NEC might be updated?

Thanks
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: Eadward1
Unfortunately there are no H-IPS panels that have an HDMI input, that I am aware of.

Hopefully that will change, this HP LP2475w looks pretty sweet. Any info on this one?

Also I'd really be interested in an updated NEC 2490WUXi w/ a boatload of inputs including HDMI. Any ideas when the NEC might be updated?

Thanks

Yup the HP is set to offer HDMI although they are not yet sure if it is an IPS panel yet. It seems like HP would not post IPS if it was not, and I'm not sure where the doubt is stemming from.

I wouldn't expect NEC to release an updated version of the LCD24/LCD26 with HDMI. It doesn't support 1080i, either, or any analog inputs (besides VGA). Apparently they think that professionals only use DVI/VGA input. That, to me, is very disappointing. But you will see these inputs on their consumer monitors. All of their higher-end consumer monitors will probably be Samsung S-PVAs, not LG H-IPSes.

It's funny, because almost none of the IPS panels offer the variety of inputs that VA-based panels do. I bet that there is a central manufacturer in this case not offering the inputs, or maybe LG themselves not offering the boards that Samsung does.

LaCie's higher end 526(H-IPS) does not have an HDMI input like the S-PVA 324.

http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10896

I believe HDMI is electrically compatible with DVI-D, but it may not always be the same thing. For instance, my cable box only works in "DVI mode" on its HDMI output. If I set it to HDMI, I can not sync to it. But, it is still using the physical HDMI output on the back of the box with the DVI adapter. Just that one setting changes whether or not I can see it on the panel. Clearly, there are two types of HDMI at work here. That might even mean that not all physical HDMI inputs are created equal, either. Besides, there's four color spaces that can be sent over HDMI but my TV (and I think LCD26) happens to work with both the YCbCr and RGB modes. My TV does work with the true HDMI mode AFAIK.

The point is these are very complicated specifications for video interconnects and you never know that one device implements something the other doesn't. Hopefully there is a certification for this and all HDMI-certified devices work together. But you had better make sure it has the sticker on it. As I recall my ViewSonic VX2435wm has an HDMI sticker on it but I have not tried it with the cable box.
 

Stormer

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xtknight,

I'm a professional writer, staring at a screen all day, obsessed with clear text. I moved into the LCD age with two 17-inch Sony SDM-HS75P's on a Matrox P650 card. The Sony's glossy screen -- and a low set sharpness value -- make the text almost as good as Sony's CRT's. One of my HS75P's just went black. It's dead. So I'm now torn between scrounging around on eBay for another one or going with two new 17 or 19-inch LCD's. A lot of writers don't like to work in widescreen, me included. The 4/5 standard aspect ratio suits us better. But I can't seem to find standard 17-19-inch monitors with glossy screens that render great text (I'm on XP Pro SP2, ClearType.) I'd be happy to switch to a matte finish if I can find screens whose anti-glare coating doesn't turn the screen into fussy mush. In this wonderful thread there has been some talking about ant-reflective coating as opposed to anti-glare. So here's my questions:

1. Any standard glossy 17-19-inch GLOSSY screens you know about?
2. Which standard matte screens have the LEAST amount of anti-glare coating, and what should I look for?

Thanks for thinking about this.
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XP PRO SP2 with orphaned SDM HS75P
 

BDawg

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Well, my Westinghouse L2410NM has stopped working correctly on HDMI. The monitor keeps flashing black periodically with both my 360 and PS3 (changed HDMI cables).

Westinghouse is going to arrange for a swap out with Best Buy (where I purchased). Problem is, BB doesn't show that they have this monitor anymore. The replacement is a 25 inch with the same features but TN panel instead of S-MVA.
 

BassBomb

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Originally posted by: BDawg
Well, my Westinghouse L2410NM has stopped working correctly on HDMI. The monitor keeps flashing black periodically with both my 360 and PS3 (changed HDMI cables).

Westinghouse is going to arrange for a swap out with Best Buy (where I purchased). Problem is, BB doesn't show that they have this monitor anymore. The replacement is a 25 inch with the same features but TN panel instead of S-MVA.

Sounds like HDCP handshake problems, like where Sony tv's would go black if you change inputs
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: Stormer
xtknight,

I'm a professional writer, staring at a screen all day, obsessed with clear text. I moved into the LCD age with two 17-inch Sony SDM-HS75P's on a Matrox P650 card. The Sony's glossy screen -- and a low set sharpness value -- make the text almost as good as Sony's CRT's. One of my HS75P's just went black. It's dead. So I'm now torn between scrounging around on eBay for another one or going with two new 17 or 19-inch LCD's. A lot of writers don't like to work in widescreen, me included. The 4/5 standard aspect ratio suits us better. But I can't seem to find standard 17-19-inch monitors with glossy screens that render great text (I'm on XP Pro SP2, ClearType.) I'd be happy to switch to a matte finish if I can find screens whose anti-glare coating doesn't turn the screen into fussy mush. In this wonderful thread there has been some talking about ant-reflective coating as opposed to anti-glare. So here's my questions:

1. Any standard glossy 17-19-inch GLOSSY screens you know about?

Not that I know of.

2. Which standard matte screens have the LEAST amount of anti-glare coating, and what should I look for?

Thanks for thinking about this.
---------------------------
XP PRO SP2 with orphaned SDM HS75P

Unfortunately manufacturers don't specify how fuzzy the antiglare coating is.

You'd want to avoid Dell, Apple, and Eizo as they have a lot of fuzzy coatings. The HP w2207 is a glossy 22" with pivot capability, meaning you could turn it around and use it in portrait mode (vs. landscape). Would that be any better for you? 22" has a dot pitch slightly smaller than 19" but it's quite good for text.

Sorry that I can't do much except direct you toward panels that are glossy. I wish I did know which kinds of anti-glare coatings the other LCDs had. In my experience the P-MVA ViewSonic 19" I had, had a fuzzy coating, as did the Samsung 17". It seems even more prevalent on the panel sizes you're looking at. I saw the same fuzziness on Gateway LCDs that I used at school.
 
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