[Retired] The LCD Thread

[hirschma]

Need some help with monitor selection.

I need to buy my little cousin a monitor; it basically needs to be 19" or larger, quality that won't make him go blind, and is going to be reliable and cheap. DVI is a plus, but isn't even required. So essentially - acceptable quality, cheap, reliable. Cheap to me means $200 or less.

For me, I'd like to get opinions on the Lenovo ThinkVision L220X. I like it because it is NOT a TN based panel (can't stand 'em), and it seems to be best quality panel for the least dollars. Provantage has them for $355, way cheaper than anyone else. Seems like a fine deal at that price.

Any opinions or alternate suggestions on the Lenovo?

Thanks!

 

[geokilla]

Does anyone know if the Acer X223Wbd is a good monitor? The monitor wasn't in the recommended list like the AL2216 was, but it seems that the X223 is a "upgrade" version of the AL2216. The 2216 offered only 700:1 contrast ratio while the X223 has 3000:1. I could probably drop the price to around $170 thanks to the use of coupons.

 

[Aggressor22]

Ive tested and indeed on the lefthandside theres not as much light emitted as the right side. It doesnt botter me, but does it affect the panels lifetime? do u advise me to return it, xtknight?

Thx, further great LCD!!

EDIT:
when my room is total dark, i can se alot of backlight bleed with dark screens, i suppose this is normal?
And also, can i damage my monitor using wrong color profiles?

 

[NZAmoeba]

I work in a lab environment, and we have a sweet gaming machine in our front room that's used for demonstrations.

Currently we use a 42" LCD TV, but being a TV it displays computer stuff at that horrible 1300x700 resolution.

I've been tasked with upgrading the rig, and with the kickass video card I'm going to use, I want a monitor to match, preferably something that does 2560x1600.

My question is, should I just go with the 30" computer monitors? Or is there something bigger that does computer resolutions? Budget isn't that big an issue, but I'd prefer to not go crazy.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: casedawg

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: casedawg
I read the op & the recommendations, but most of them are way outside my budget.

What do you recommend for something that fits these specs:
- Wide screen
- 20-22"
- $200-300 price range (willing to go a bit over $300 if it will get me a substantially better display)
- Used for (in order of importance):
--o 1. RAW photo developing/processing in Lightroom (primarily for the web)
--o 2. Movies & TV Shows (multiple people watching)
--o 2. Occasional competitive online gaming (FPS & RTS)
--o 3. Music production & DJing in Live
--o 4. Everything else (mostly web browsing & plain text editing)

Thank you!

You can't really expect a photo editing display for $200-300. Nonetheless, the HP LP2065 is as good as you're going to get and it cost just a little over that, after a rebate. It used to be a flat $300 so you may find it cheaper elsewhere. http://www.newegg.com/Product/...16824176053&Tpk=lp2065

Choices are limited and there's no widescreen display that matches those specs as well as the LP2065. The VA/IPS panel in the LP2065 really benefits the 'multiple people watching' part because of the viewing angle.

I suspected that might be the case. Thanks for the input.

What would you recommend if I took out photo editing from the list of uses? I can't afford to drop on a really nice LCD right now, but my old giant CRT really needs to go, so I'm going to get a decent cheap LCD right now, and get a second monitor for photo editing when I can afford it.

Well, it's a shame you can't just grab the LP2065. You wouldn't need to get another LCD later if you could.

Otherwise go for the Acer AL2216wbd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...24009094&Tpk=al2216wbd

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: iTnkD4iAm
Hello everyone (=

Very nice and informative thread. I'm still reading through it. I'm looking for inputs on replacing my lcd monitor as it has began dying on me (Viewsonic VP2030b) Unfortunately, I'm limited on the brand that I can get (Samsung, Acer, Asus, LG and maybe BenQ) and most likely even more limited on the models that I can get. But before I list down the models that's readily available, I'm wondering about the models that would be good for stuff that I use the monitor for: image editing for the web, some photography and little printing (color accuracy appreciated), games (not really into fps but I do like Crysis and watching dvd's (blu-ray is still rare in my country) Since 4:3 monitors are becoming rare it looks like I'll be going for a 24" monitor (~1900x1200) I've been going through the list of readily available lcd's here and most of them are TN-based that's why I'm asking for other models in hopes that the shop can make a special order.

Advance thank you for the input

The HP LP2065 is the cheapest VA/IPS model I can think of, but I'm not sure if you can get that or not.

Your best bet is to get whatever you can that is on the Multimedia list. I don't know of many other VA/IPS panels. Dell 2408WFP, ViewSonic VX2435wm, HP LP2465.... the DoubleSight 24" or Samsung 245T are probably good too. NEC LCD2470WNX, LG L245WP/L246WP, LG W2600HP(?) are other options.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: howlingblue
Howdy, experts of LCDs.

I'm thinking of buying a new LCD to replace my Samsung Syncmaster 204BW.

I want to get a screen mostly for gaming, but also for multimedia. (I have a Blu-ray drive in my PC, and want to use the monitor for watching movies.)

I've looked at some of the monitors recommended in this thread as well as on Newegg, and this LCD, the LG W2452T-TF, is the one that has caught my eye.

It seems to have a very high contrast ratio for movies, and a low response time for gaming, but for the life of me, I can't seem to find any reviews.....

What do you folks think?

Thanks!

I can't find any reviews either on brand new models, so that's why I stick with the "old" standbys (think BenQ G2400WD, HP w2408h, Samsung 245BW).

You can't pay attention to the contrast ratio in specs. It's the same as the rest of them. The glossy panels like the HP w2408h and Gateway FHD2400 will give you higher contrast. Otherwise I'm not sure there's a difference although classically Samsung (in particular) and LG have delivered higher contrast panels than AUO, CMO, CPT, or Hannstar.

Not always though. http://www.digitalversus.com/d...&mo2=387&p2=3580&ph=13 (although who knows if Samsung is playing the panel lottery again)

The BenQ is a good performer and it's the 24" TN I recommend for almost anyone.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: alanj
My DoubleSight DS-305W arrived this morning, and I'm using it in the middle of a three-screen setup now.

Initial impression: It's big, bright, beautiful, love it. I don't see any obvious issues like dead/hot pixels, backlight bleed, inconsistent brightness across the panel, etc. I'm not the most discerning when it comes to color accuracy or input lag or refresh speed, so don't ask me about those.

It is the most minimal monitor I have ever seen. It has exactly two inputs - power and DVI - and exactly three buttons - power and brightness up/down. There is no on-screen menu, there is no way to adjust colors. This might be an issue for some people, but not for me.

I'm happy.

Yikes about the OSD but I'm glad your happy with the monitor. Many 30" panels lack DSP/adjustments support although I neglected to mention this at first. It's usually just as well though because these panels perform well at native and it's best to keep it at native when you calibrate it.

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: howlingblue
LG W2452T-TF

It seems to have a very high contrast ratio

That 10,000:1 "contrast" ratio is likely a "dynamic" contrast ratio.

Of course 10,000:1 is ridiculous too. Most of them still only reach 3:000 in dynamic that I'm aware of. My NEC IPS did about 1700:1. Yeah I'm hard on the "marketing teams" but I need to be lest anyone start believing these overblown figures.

Originally posted by: Aggressor22
Hej XTknight, havent forgot this great forum!
I ended up buying the Dell UltraSharp 3008WFP Superview. The 2709w did have problems with viewing from the sides and now ive took the plunge and gone for a 3008WFP after seeing it with my own eyes, i didnt need to ask anymore here since my breath stopped when i saw this monitor in action. Got 25% off from it via Dell online.

The colors are FAR better then the 2709w, i believe its wide gamut to and its not that over saturared when playing games.

Yup S-IPS vs S-PVA panel. It is indeed a great monitor.

The Brightness seems to be a bit less compared to the 2709w at FULL. But thats to bright anway, and i cant complain about this one, its very bright and i can actually feel the heat coming from the front of the panel (which didnt happen with the 2709w).
It doesnt matter from what angle i look, colors/image keeps being intact, there is some loss, but not that i can care about it.

The monitor casing is made of aluminium and the stand is glass-made. Its faster then the 2709w when playing games, less blur. I didnt notice input lag on the 2709w with BF2 and i dont either with the 3008wfp.
Afterall, i think my 2709w was defective, i believe it are allmost same LCD's but the 2709w had lighting trouble when moving in a game like Crysis which was annoying. Also its colors are better/nicer, but the dark areas are better on the 2709w i think, but the 3008wfp does this very correct too.
Okaj its big, but the lcd upscales the 720p games nicely. In the beginning, 2560x1600 looked blurry, that was thanks to my DVI cable that i used from another monitor. I used the thikker cable coming with the 3008wfp and voila 2560x1600!! This is the monitor of my dreams, big, good colors, no blurry view from angles, and fast. Add to that the extrior is out of this world.
I didnt calibrate anything, only have installed the drivers that came with it.

At factory settings, this lcd was MUCH too bright. It was standing on 75% brightness and 50% Contrast, have reduced the brightness to 27% and its still bright, but i like it.
Only complaint i could have it doesnt have Swedish/Dutch language from within the menu, but i can live with Englisch offcourse
Oh and i didnt find any dead pixels that lighted up another color, otherwise Dell would send a new one anyway they said on telephone.

Ok this was my mini-review, if people are intrested in this lcd and want to know something, ask here ill try to answer. Im NOT a monitor expert like xtknight but i can give my opinion of what i se on this lcd.

Greetz from 30 inches of view

PS: i posted this somewhere in the wrong forumt that was not updated anymore so copied it to here.

Many times S-IPS panels are not as bright but are more accurate. They lose more brightness at difference angles but don't have the odd gamma shift that VAs do, meaning IPS panels result in a more intact image off the center plane.

Thanks for the review. I don't recommend it because of its price but for those who can afford it it's a luxury LCD.

Originally posted by: Aggressor22
Oh and one thing to note about this lcd, i can see there is more 'light' coming from the right-hand side of the LCD panel. On the left there is abit of a blue tinty but its not annyoing for me.
And i dont think this is a defect eitherway? anyway if it is, tell me, i can return it Dell has very good service.

It's really a fact of life for LCDs and if you like it otherwise and have no dead pixels I would stick with the unit you have. The refurb they would give you could be worse.

Originally posted by: hirschma
Need some help with monitor selection.

I need to buy my little cousin a monitor; it basically needs to be 19" or larger, quality that won't make him go blind, and is going to be reliable and cheap. DVI is a plus, but isn't even required. So essentially - acceptable quality, cheap, reliable. Cheap to me means $200 or less.

Well I think the 22" AL2216wbd for $210 is the best deal in town, and you get free shipping on that right now. http://www.newegg.com/Product/...24009094&Tpk=al2216wbd

Hopefully that's an option, otherwise we'll really have to start looking.

22" TN is easy on the eyes.

For me, I'd like to get opinions on the Lenovo ThinkVision L220X. I like it because it is NOT a TN based panel (can't stand 'em), and it seems to be best quality panel for the least dollars. Provantage has them for $355, way cheaper than anyone else. Seems like a fine deal at that price.

Any opinions or alternate suggestions on the Lenovo?

Thanks!

I recommend the L220X and based on prad's review and others', it's a great LCD. The only thing you need to be worried about is that the L220X is 1920x1200, meaning it has a 0.247 mm dot pitch. That's pretty small. You can probably adjust your programs and/or OS to work around that for text (if it's a problem), and it will make a great graphics monitor at that dot pitch.

I don't know that there's a better deal in this case either so you've made a wise choice. The (possibly) IPS LP2065 could be an option too but you don't get the resolution.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: geokilla
Does anyone know if the Acer X223Wbd is a good monitor? The monitor wasn't in the recommended list like the AL2216 was, but it seems that the X223 is a "upgrade" version of the AL2216. The 2216 offered only 700:1 contrast ratio while the X223 has 3000:1. I could probably drop the price to around $170 thanks to the use of coupons.

Again dynamic contrast ratio, which you could probably only stand for movies. But if that's worth it to you you can go for it. I'd make sure dynamic contrast can be disabled if you in fact do not want it (as you would not for general use, the constant backlight changing is annoying).

Sometimes these refreshes of older models introduce response time control errors so it's not always that they're better. That doesn't mean it's common though. I don't think there's a danger in just picking this one up. I actually like the stand of the AL2216 better and would find it less intrusive so that's what I'd get anyway.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Aggressor22
Ive tested and indeed on the lefthandside theres not as much light emitted as the right side. It doesnt botter me, but does it affect the panels lifetime? do u advise me to return it, xtknight?

Thx, further great LCD!!

EDIT:
when my room is total dark, i can se alot of backlight bleed with dark screens, i suppose this is normal?
And also, can i damage my monitor using wrong color profiles?

That won't affect the panel's lifetime, it's just a property of how the backlights are laid out and mounted.

Yes the bleed in dark is normal, again probably not something to worry about. You can not damage your monitor by loading a bad gamma table onto your video card; all it means is your monitor is showing different colors. It is simply not possible for the LCD to be damaged like this.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: NZAmoeba
I work in a lab environment, and we have a sweet gaming machine in our front room that's used for demonstrations.

Currently we use a 42" LCD TV, but being a TV it displays computer stuff at that horrible 1300x700 resolution.

I've been tasked with upgrading the rig, and with the kickass video card I'm going to use, I want a monitor to match, preferably something that does 2560x1600.

My question is, should I just go with the 30" computer monitors? Or is there something bigger that does computer resolutions? Budget isn't that big an issue, but I'd prefer to not go crazy.

30" computer monitors have the highest resolution that I'm aware of. The TVs are all 1920x1080.

I don't think there's any Quad HD LCDs out there yet (or at least the price is crazy). So, 2560x1600 sounds good and that's about as much as you want for any gaming anyway. Trust me even 1.4bil transistor GPUs are going to struggle at 2560x1600 with all the settings up and a good game.

The Dell 3008WFP is the best S-IPS with all the connectivity, but the 3007WFP-HC is the same thing for much cheaper, just not as much connectivity.

 

[iTnkD4iAm]

Originally posted by: xtknight

The HP LP2065 is the cheapest VA/IPS model I can think of, but I'm not sure if you can get that or not.

Your best bet is to get whatever you can that is on the Multimedia list. I don't know of many other VA/IPS panels. Dell 2408WFP, ViewSonic VX2435wm, HP LP2465.... the DoubleSight 24" or Samsung 245T are probably good too. NEC LCD2470WNX, LG L245WP/L246WP, LG W2600HP(?) are other options.

Thanks for the recommendations, xtknight (= I was looking at the Samsung 245T but the samsung country branch hasn't released that model here yet. I saw some shops carrying the HP/LG brands so I might have some luck there... No luck w/ a NEC monitor and I really wish the local Dell would update their catalogue (shop that sells a Dell 2405FPW goes for a whopping ~US$ 1,560)

Looks like I'll have to hold on and be patient to my Viewsonic a little while longer.

 

[Aggressor22]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Aggressor22
Ive tested and indeed on the lefthandside theres not as much light emitted as the right side. It doesnt botter me, but does it affect the panels lifetime? do u advise me to return it, xtknight?

Thx, further great LCD!!

EDIT:
when my room is total dark, i can se alot of backlight bleed with dark screens, i suppose this is normal?
And also, can i damage my monitor using wrong color profiles?

That won't affect the panel's lifetime, it's just a property of how the backlights are laid out and mounted.

Yes the bleed in dark is normal, again probably not something to worry about. You can not damage your monitor by loading a bad gamma table onto your video card; all it means is your monitor is showing different colors. It is simply not possible for the LCD to be damaged like this.

Very much thank you!!
My god, didnt even know this was an IPS. Ive just readed the frontpage again and IPS seems to be the better of all.
Ive made some pics of the monitor in action so you and more intrested ppl can see how the bleed is. For me its good, i just turn on some lights here to reduce it in dark games, otherwise its a bit annoying to be honest

In this pictures the brightness is set to 28% contrast 50%. The room wasnt darkened, but im sure a expert will se what i mean. What u se here in the corners, that it does to all edges. It doesnt botter me until the room is COMPLETE dark. So ill use a halogeen light and voila.

http://img.photobucket.com/alb...ellRipper/100_0982.jpg

edit:
Oh yea the color profiles, nice but, digital versus doesnt say on what settings its calibrated for. Im using adobeRGB mode now cause thats looking nicest to me.

Today i wanted to clean off the monitor from dust with the supplied thing. When touching the panel itself on the top-side, it seems to sit untighty. It seems to 'fall back' when u touch it. This seems dangerous, i mean, when its on, and my desk vibrates, it can even fall back/forth abit, so untight it sits in the casing of the lcd. I suppose this isnt normal?

 

[alanj]

Originally posted by: alanj
My DoubleSight DS-305W arrived this morning, and I'm using it in the middle of a three-screen setup now.

Initial impression: It's big, bright, beautiful, love it. I don't see any obvious issues like dead/hot pixels, backlight bleed, inconsistent brightness across the panel, etc. I'm not the most discerning when it comes to color accuracy or input lag or refresh speed, so don't ask me about those.

It is the most minimal monitor I have ever seen. It has exactly two inputs - power and DVI - and exactly three buttons - power and brightness up/down. There is no on-screen menu, there is no way to adjust colors. This might be an issue for some people, but not for me.

I'm happy.

Still happy, but I will mention that when viewing from an angle, the perceived brightness varies a lot - much more than with my Dell 2405's. Doesn't seem like an issue for most desktop use.

Not specific to this monitor, but worth mentioning: Multi-LCD setups run HOT! My office has always been the warmest room in the house, with two 24" LCDs, and more sun exposure than most other rooms. With the 30" LCD added, it's verging on uncomfortably hot in here, even when the A/C has the rest of the house chilly. I may need to set up some kind of air-circulation fan to even things out.

 

[Aggressor22]

Another thing xtknight, dont know if ur that into to lcd's but when i look up very close to my screen, i can see figurs like this one (very small). Some are darker some lighter.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.../commons/7/7e/Ruit.png

This is at a white background and it seems it does all over the screen, i think i worry to much really with his one


Btw, next time i gonna spend so much $$, im going for a NEC really.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Aggressor22

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Aggressor22
Ive tested and indeed on the lefthandside theres not as much light emitted as the right side. It doesnt botter me, but does it affect the panels lifetime? do u advise me to return it, xtknight?

Thx, further great LCD!!

EDIT:
when my room is total dark, i can se alot of backlight bleed with dark screens, i suppose this is normal?
And also, can i damage my monitor using wrong color profiles?

That won't affect the panel's lifetime, it's just a property of how the backlights are laid out and mounted.

Yes the bleed in dark is normal, again probably not something to worry about. You can not damage your monitor by loading a bad gamma table onto your video card; all it means is your monitor is showing different colors. It is simply not possible for the LCD to be damaged like this.

Very much thank you!!
My god, didnt even know this was an IPS. Ive just readed the frontpage again and IPS seems to be the better of all.
Ive made some pics of the monitor in action so you and more intrested ppl can see how the bleed is. For me its good, i just turn on some lights here to reduce it in dark games, otherwise its a bit annoying to be honest

In this pictures the brightness is set to 28% contrast 50%. The room wasnt darkened, but im sure a expert will se what i mean. What u se here in the corners, that it does to all edges. It doesnt botter me until the room is COMPLETE dark. So ill use a halogeen light and voila.

http://img.photobucket.com/alb...ellRipper/100_0982.jpg

edit:
Oh yea the color profiles, nice but, digital versus doesnt say on what settings its calibrated for. Im using adobeRGB mode now cause thats looking nicest to me.

Today i wanted to clean off the monitor from dust with the supplied thing. When touching the panel itself on the top-side, it seems to sit untighty. It seems to 'fall back' when u touch it. This seems dangerous, i mean, when its on, and my desk vibrates, it can even fall back/forth abit, so untight it sits in the casing of the lcd. I suppose this isnt normal?

Well it doesn't look that bad really. I don't think you should return it.

It would be calibrated for AdobeRGB (native on the Dell?) because sRGB uses emulation and almost nobody would calibrate using the sRGB mode; it's not a good idea.

My LCD26 does the same thing when I clean it. LCDs aren't put together as well as they could be.

Originally posted by: alanj

Originally posted by: alanj
My DoubleSight DS-305W arrived this morning, and I'm using it in the middle of a three-screen setup now.

Initial impression: It's big, bright, beautiful, love it. I don't see any obvious issues like dead/hot pixels, backlight bleed, inconsistent brightness across the panel, etc. I'm not the most discerning when it comes to color accuracy or input lag or refresh speed, so don't ask me about those.

It is the most minimal monitor I have ever seen. It has exactly two inputs - power and DVI - and exactly three buttons - power and brightness up/down. There is no on-screen menu, there is no way to adjust colors. This might be an issue for some people, but not for me.

I'm happy.

Still happy, but I will mention that when viewing from an angle, the perceived brightness varies a lot - much more than with my Dell 2405's. Doesn't seem like an issue for most desktop use.

Not specific to this monitor, but worth mentioning: Multi-LCD setups run HOT! My office has always been the warmest room in the house, with two 24" LCDs, and more sun exposure than most other rooms. With the 30" LCD added, it's verging on uncomfortably hot in here, even when the A/C has the rest of the house chilly. I may need to set up some kind of air-circulation fan to even things out.

Yeah, some VA panels shift more than others. I'm not sure why. It could be because of size too. Surprising about the heat.

Edit: actually the DS-305W, I believe, is an IPS panel. It will get darker faster but not have the gamma shift or inversion.

Originally posted by: Aggressor22
Another thing xtknight, dont know if ur that into to lcd's but when i look up very close to my screen, i can see figurs like this one (very small). Some are darker some lighter.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.../commons/7/7e/Ruit.png

This is at a white background and it seems it does all over the screen, i think i worry to much really with his one


Btw, next time i gonna spend so much $$, im going for a NEC really.

I don't understand what you mean here. But it may be due to a coating.

 

[Aggressor22]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Aggressor22

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Aggressor22
Ive tested and indeed on the lefthandside theres not as much light emitted as the right side. It doesnt botter me, but does it affect the panels lifetime? do u advise me to return it, xtknight?

Thx, further great LCD!!

EDIT:
when my room is total dark, i can se alot of backlight bleed with dark screens, i suppose this is normal?
And also, can i damage my monitor using wrong color profiles?

That won't affect the panel's lifetime, it's just a property of how the backlights are laid out and mounted.

Yes the bleed in dark is normal, again probably not something to worry about. You can not damage your monitor by loading a bad gamma table onto your video card; all it means is your monitor is showing different colors. It is simply not possible for the LCD to be damaged like this.

Very much thank you!!
My god, didnt even know this was an IPS. Ive just readed the frontpage again and IPS seems to be the better of all.
Ive made some pics of the monitor in action so you and more intrested ppl can see how the bleed is. For me its good, i just turn on some lights here to reduce it in dark games, otherwise its a bit annoying to be honest

In this pictures the brightness is set to 28% contrast 50%. The room wasnt darkened, but im sure a expert will se what i mean. What u se here in the corners, that it does to all edges. It doesnt botter me until the room is COMPLETE dark. So ill use a halogeen light and voila.

http://img.photobucket.com/alb...ellRipper/100_0982.jpg

edit:
Oh yea the color profiles, nice but, digital versus doesnt say on what settings its calibrated for. Im using adobeRGB mode now cause thats looking nicest to me.

Today i wanted to clean off the monitor from dust with the supplied thing. When touching the panel itself on the top-side, it seems to sit untighty. It seems to 'fall back' when u touch it. This seems dangerous, i mean, when its on, and my desk vibrates, it can even fall back/forth abit, so untight it sits in the casing of the lcd. I suppose this isnt normal?

Well it doesn't look that bad really. I don't think you should return it.

It would be calibrated for AdobeRGB (native on the Dell?) because sRGB uses emulation and almost nobody would calibrate using the sRGB mode; it's not a good idea.

My LCD26 does the same thing when I clean it. LCDs aren't put together as well as they could be.

Originally posted by: alanj

Originally posted by: alanj
My DoubleSight DS-305W arrived this morning, and I'm using it in the middle of a three-screen setup now.

Initial impression: It's big, bright, beautiful, love it. I don't see any obvious issues like dead/hot pixels, backlight bleed, inconsistent brightness across the panel, etc. I'm not the most discerning when it comes to color accuracy or input lag or refresh speed, so don't ask me about those.

It is the most minimal monitor I have ever seen. It has exactly two inputs - power and DVI - and exactly three buttons - power and brightness up/down. There is no on-screen menu, there is no way to adjust colors. This might be an issue for some people, but not for me.

I'm happy.

Still happy, but I will mention that when viewing from an angle, the perceived brightness varies a lot - much more than with my Dell 2405's. Doesn't seem like an issue for most desktop use.

Not specific to this monitor, but worth mentioning: Multi-LCD setups run HOT! My office has always been the warmest room in the house, with two 24" LCDs, and more sun exposure than most other rooms. With the 30" LCD added, it's verging on uncomfortably hot in here, even when the A/C has the rest of the house chilly. I may need to set up some kind of air-circulation fan to even things out.

Yeah, some VA panels shift more than others. I'm not sure why. It could be because of size too. Surprising about the heat.

Originally posted by: Aggressor22
Another thing xtknight, dont know if ur that into to lcd's but when i look up very close to my screen, i can see figurs like this one (very small). Some are darker some lighter.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.../commons/7/7e/Ruit.png

This is at a white background and it seems it does all over the screen, i think i worry to much really with his one


Btw, next time i gonna spend so much $$, im going for a NEC really.

I don't understand what you mean here. But it may be due to a coating.

Hey thanks,

Ye about the LCD, i meaned the panel itself the IPS panel is moving, but its on all of those 3008wfp's. Ive been to a friend where i had seen it first time, and there it is same story.

About the figures, it looks like its the structure of the panel... its hard to explain, its more of the rasters around the pixels are darker on some places. Anyhow dont think its a defect so its ok.
And ive set to AdobeRGB now ye, colors are darker, i think its not that saturated anymore. Thx to digitalversus for sharing their profiles.

Btw, if u need anything to know about my screen, just ask i can look.

EDIT:
The native of the dell is Preset mode: Graphic and PC Mode, sRGB can be selected yes.
Another thing, which i think is cause of the backlight bleed, is that on the right side of the panel, white looks bit of yellow-ish. Just a lcd fact also?

 

[dowhopdedodo]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Keep in mind I don't formally review LCDs (with the exception of ones I own). I never saw the 2408 in person however I don't believe the input lag will be reduced. That's just my sentiment. But nor did I see a consistent lag figure for this display. I've seen it all over the place so I don't know what to believe. What I think is that it's 4 frames of lag.

I foolishly, in retrospect, decided to take a chance on the Dell since it was discounted to $599. However, it's become a shipping nightmare as Dell chose to ship with DHL, which no longer delivers to certain cities of 100,000-200,000 in Northern California. They hand it over to USPS instead and customer tracking is lost.

I've been waiting since the 8th with no info since the 12th. Worse, we've had to file complaints with the USPS regarding our carrier. So I'm 2 hours with Dell customer service already, no display and no money with the promise of at least 21 days before I'll see a refund. Let's just say I'm not happy with Dell, nor do I want their display after being lost in USPS for a week.

Yes, well I will have to be honest with you. I own the LCD2690 but now that a cheaper DoubleSight DS-265W is coming out very soon, that's a good choice. And as you may know, the DS-305W (I think that's an IPS) is out now.

As far as I know the SV model includes the colorimeter. I don't want to say anything for sure and have you get it not knowing that, obviously. But I got the regular model and used an i1 that I had, and purchased the $100 software only. The kit is something like $250 separately which also includes the colorimeter. Again, I think the SV model includes the whole kit.

As for QA concerns, the LCD2690 has had some problems with those subtle horizontal lines on the panel, and mine (still has) 2 dead pixels. The lines are basically unnoticeable, the pixels are a tad more annoying but certainly do not impede general use of the monitor much (at least where mine are located). NEC may let you swap for another refurb so you can see if you get a better unit if you are really disappointed with your first. The LCD2490 had slightly better luck with QA and I would recommend that instead if you do mostly normal gamut (sRGB) work.

Remember even when you calibrate an LCD26 you're not going to get sRGB. I went over that in my review. The only reason I really got the LCD26 is because I like to experiment with things and don't mind using the color profiles that yield slightly less quality with standard pictures. So, make sure the LCD2690 is what you want. If you think it is, then it's certainly a monitor with outstanding image quality. You won't get quite the contrast of the G520 (a Trinitron), but nor will you with other LCDs. This LCD still has a good contrast, but even better image fidelity and accuracy matching closer to the Adobe RGB 1998 space..

Okay, so if I understand correctly the LCD24 does better with calibration and color fidelity in sRGB. Oddly, it was only $100 less than the LCD26 when I looked at pricing, maybe that explains why.

I bought the eyeOne2 colorimeter, but could return it if the bundled version would work with my G520 as well as the NEC 2490. Then again, I suppose I can just rely on the G520 for color critical issues untill it sees it's last days and go with the Doublesight until then.

I've seen you suggest the Doublesight as a less expensive alternative before. You mention it has an IPS panel and so I assume it's on a par with the NEC as far as the panel and color capacity is concerned, at least potentially so. Can you explain (offer some technical assurance for lay people like me) why you think the Doublesight is a viable alternative, other than its lower price?

Finally, thanks again. These insights are way helpful.

 

[Ardan]

Sorry, if you've all been discussing this but I haven't had time to search the topic because I am getting ready for work. My Samsung SyncMaster 215TW has been great, but I've been looking for a suitable replacement so I can use this for a different purpose, but I wanted a decent 22" monitor that wasn't a TN. So, of course, I've been looking for quite a while . No doubt you guys have at least mentioned this monitor somewhat: HP LP2275w monitor. I realize it is new, but it is priced at $399.00 on HP's website and I absolutely love that price. I know people said the 215TW had very bad input lag, but I play games occasionally too (racing games, TF2, adventure games like Dreamfall: The Longest Journey) and it never once bothered me, so I'm assuming that would be fine as well.

I know it is new, but has anyone heard any more about it? I tried to search around and see if I could find a review, but I've had no such luck thus far (I figured I wouldn't find one yet). Everyone I know personally has had great success with HP monitors, so I feel like its not really a gamble on my part, too. With the USB hub and DisplayPort support (for the future, of course), I feel this could be the monitor i'm looking for. I wonder what panel its using...would it most likely be a Samsung panel? I'm assuming so, because isn't it an S-PVA monitor like my current one is? I would be watching far more movies on the screen than games, so that would work out great. I figure I won't necessarily buy it asap (car needs new brake pads, among other things) but I just saw it on there and knew I just had to ask .

 

[BerlinCB]

After reading all of your suggestions and doing my research I think I've decided to get a BenQ.



1.) Of these 3, which would you recommend for mostly gaming and general browsing and computer needs?

G2400WD
V2400W
FP241VW


2.) Where would you suggest buying from? I think I suffer from a mild case of OCD and just know that dead pixels would drive me insane. Where could I buy from that I'd know for certain that I could eventually end up with a panel with no dead pixels?

Thanks!
Chris

 

[hirschma]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: hirschma
Need some help with monitor selection.

I need to buy my little cousin a monitor; it basically needs to be 19" or larger, quality that won't make him go blind, and is going to be reliable and cheap. DVI is a plus, but isn't even required. So essentially - acceptable quality, cheap, reliable. Cheap to me means $200 or less.

Well I think the 22" AL2216wbd for $210 is the best deal in town, and you get free shipping on that right now. http://www.newegg.com/Product/...24009094&Tpk=al2216wbd

Hopefully that's an option, otherwise we'll really have to start looking.

22" TN is easy on the eyes.

For me, I'd like to get opinions on the Lenovo ThinkVision L220X. I like it because it is NOT a TN based panel (can't stand 'em), and it seems to be best quality panel for the least dollars. Provantage has them for $355, way cheaper than anyone else. Seems like a fine deal at that price.

Any opinions or alternate suggestions on the Lenovo?

Thanks!

I recommend the L220X and based on prad's review and others', it's a great LCD. The only thing you need to be worried about is that the L220X is 1920x1200, meaning it has a 0.247 mm dot pitch. That's pretty small. You can probably adjust your programs and/or OS to work around that for text (if it's a problem), and it will make a great graphics monitor at that dot pitch.

I don't know that there's a better deal in this case either so you've made a wise choice. The (possibly) IPS LP2065 could be an option too but you don't get the resolution.

I cheaped out even more on the monitor for my nephew; it was a closeout AOC/Envision that actually got very good review elsewhere - I hope that we're not disappointed.

As for me, I see two of the L220X's in my future, unless I find another deal like I got with Gateway last year - when I ended up with two fine 24" non-TN monitors for under a thou. Doesn't look like such deals are out there - at least, not from vendors with decent support and return privs.

Thanks.

jh

 

[Schadenfroh]

Looks like the new revision of the Dell 2408wfp is a lottery for new ones.
http://www.dellcommunity.com/s...date_ascending&page=86

 

[infinitesymphony]

I asked about the Acer AL2216Wbd a while back. My grandparents' CRT just went out, so I decided to recommend the 2216 for them. It has arrived and we're now satisfied Acer customers. Thanks for the recommendation!

I don't think I'd ditch my NEC 90GX2-BK 19" TN for the 2216, but it's a great all-purpose monitor at a respectable price.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: BerlinCB
After reading all of your suggestions and doing my research I think I've decided to get a BenQ.



1.) Of these 3, which would you recommend for mostly gaming and general browsing and computer needs?

G2400WD
V2400W
FP241VW


2.) Where would you suggest buying from? I think I suffer from a mild case of OCD and just know that dead pixels would drive me insane. Where could I buy from that I'd know for certain that I could eventually end up with a panel with no dead pixels?

Thanks!
Chris

Weird, I am stuck between those 3 models too lol. I'm leaning towards the FP241VW because I will also use it to watch movies and play xbox360 via hdmi.

 

[praesto]

Which 20'' widescreens are currently considered to be the best for gaming?