[Retired] The LCD Thread

[mmnno]

Originally posted by: matas
Which is the biggest gaming monitor I can sit into 17" high monitor spot?

Most 22" should be less than 17" tall with the stand. However some companies like to include a very high stand for some reason. IIRC the L220X is 16.something at its lowest height setting, but if you've got a hard limit of 17" you'll probably want to know exactly how tall the monitor is. Try calling the manufacturers of whatever screen you're interested in.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: mmnno

Originally posted by: matas
Which is the biggest gaming monitor I can sit into 17" high monitor spot?

Most 22" should be less than 17" tall with the stand. However some companies like to include a very high stand for some reason. IIRC the L220X is 16.something at its lowest height setting, but if you've got a hard limit of 17" you'll probably want to know exactly how tall the monitor is. Try calling the manufacturers of whatever screen you're interested in.

Thanks for helping me figure out what he meant. I was totally confused and thought he meant what 17" LCDs are ranked the highest.

On that note, mmnno is absolutely correct. Many times spec sheets of monitors have the dimensions specs "With Stand" and "Without Stand" W x H x D. In terms of actual active pixel area, a 22" widescreen is 296.1 mm tall, and a 17" standard is 270.3 mm tall.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Josh7289
Wasn't there a replacement to the DoubleSight DS-263N? Why isn't that in the recommendations?

I cannot find it for sale anywhere presently, but as soon as I see it in stock at one place it will be up. It's disconcerting to go down the recommendations list only to find out that a listed LCD is unavailable or not even out yet. That's not always preventable since some models are not available in all countries.

P.S. model # is doublesight ds-265w

 

[Aggressor22]

In this test:
http://www.galacticmag.com/mon...ness-and-contrast.html

My 3008wfp can display all of them exept the '255' feature in multimedia preset modus.
I can see abit of it, but its only a part of it. Should a 3008 even be able to display that gradient?

 

[Josh7289]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
Its not out yet AFAIK.

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Josh7289
Wasn't there a replacement to the DoubleSight DS-263N? Why isn't that in the recommendations?

I cannot find it for sale anywhere presently, but as soon as I see it in stock at one place it will be up. It's disconcerting to go down the recommendations list only to find out that a listed LCD is unavailable or not even out yet. That's not always preventable since some models are not available in all countries.

P.S. model # is doublesight ds-265w

Thanks. The DS-265W is just, like, a repackaging of the DS-263N, though, isn't it?

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Edit: Added some more commas.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Ok its down to the DoubleSight DS-265W and FP241VW. I will be using it for Xbox360 HDMI, Movies, and Games. Which one would be best for this?

 

[TheStigUK]

I'm looking at getting the Samsung T200 (or something similar with a similar price; that's about £180 or less) to use with my 360 and PC. My 360 will be on the VGA port and my PC on the DVI one, so obviously being able to switch easily between the two is a must.

I'm not fussed about viewing angles (as long as it looks good head on); but ideally there shouldn't be much (or any) ghosting.

So basically is the Samsung T200 monitor a good choice or am I missing something better?

Thanks!

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Aggressor22

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Aggressor22
Another question XTknight, when looking at this page:
http://xtknight.50webs.com/lcd26/page9.htm

I see that the text has a greenish feel to it, some letters have green through them. Ive tried different settings with the preset modes, i also tried that with DigitalVersus's color profilem none did help.
Also, its somewhat better with sRGB color mode preset.
Btw, what is your personal advice of what preset mode to use on the Dell 3008WFP without any calibrated profiles for games/movies/desktop use?

Using Mircrosoft's ClearType tune didnt help.

Aggressor, I've never used this LCD so you'll have to bear with me. Many of the problems you experienced I never have with my wide gamut LCDs.

However, I do think the white looks a little greenish on my LCD2690 as well (more so than my L227). I think it's worse the wider the gamut is, because wide gamut LCDs particularly excel in the green area. So you're going to have to use the sRGB mode or get used to the greenish white, which is probably the best idea, because sRGB presets on WG LCDs significantly hamper color quality.

My personal advice is to stick with native, non-sRGB modes and then adjust red/green/blue to fit your needs. You can somewhat counter the green tint by lowering the G (Green) level of intensity in the R/G/B controls. I hope that helps.

The text's green feel can be due to improper subpixel hinting (ClearType). You can disable that and see if it is remedied. Other than that, it might be a sort of text shadow artifact the LCD has, as many Dells are known to have (don't jump to that conclusion immediately). If it has a sharpness control, adjust that and try to adjust it to the point of "pass through" (no modification-blurring/sharpening done to the text).

Changing to sRGB mode indeed reduces the green halo effect around letters, but as you noted, sRGB is lifeless on this screen (due to wide gamut yes).

To re-ask, is this something to worry about or return the screen?
Btw, it also does when i click on "turn off pc'' or shut dow or restart with the 9800 pc.

Video 1 with 9800GTX DVI:
http://www.youtube.com/v/jJG5WHGGBQQ

Video 2 with 6800 DVI:
http://www.youtube.com/v/8wGnozuPWcE

PIC from the video 2:
http://img.photobucket.com/alb...ellRipper/3008wfp2.jpg

You should check the manufacturer's warranty to see what constitutes an imperfection or defect to your LCD. Usually this includes severe backlight bleeding, lack of functionality, or a line of dead pixels. What you're talking about is not a defect of it, it's only a unfortunate side effect of the technology or a poor implementation (much like any problems with overdrive). Poorly setup pixel lining, subpixel arrangement, resolution scaling, or sharpness controls on a line of monitors don't indicate that there's a defect with your unit.

You can exchange for a refurb within a certain time period for any reason with Dell, but I would not expect your refurb to be any different, because there is probably nothing wrong with how your unit was manufactured.

From the videos I don't see anything immediately wrong with your screen but the last pic link didn't work.

Edit: the link in your previous post worked but all I see is a BIOS screen with what I really assume to be green text and motion blur from the exposure.

http://img.photobucket.com/alb...ellRipper/3008wfp2.jpg

Is the "Press DEL to run setup" being green the problem you're talking about? It's white on other monitors? In the photo it looks COMPLETELY green, so I don't know why that is (maybe camera is overexposing it). I just thought you flashed your BIOS startup image or something. I also do not know what the corruption is in the left bottom although I'd be far more worried about that. There is a lack of bandwidth in your cable, video card, or a bad input on the Dell monitor (defect) if what I'm seeing what I think I'm seeing.

 

[zod96]

Is the HP LP2275w a glossy screen or matte screen?

 

[Eluros]

Greetings, all!

So, I'm looking to purchase a new monitor. My new one, a 19" Fuji Plus LCD, has served me well for several years. However, I love PC gaming, and have recently been using my PC as my media center to watch movies on with friends. I'd like to upgrade it to something that would allow for some awesome resolutions (I'm thinking 1900x1200), and decent viewing angles for viewing movies with friends. I'd like to spend around $400, but I'm willing to go up to around $500 if the price/performance ratio is decent enough.

I've done a bit of research, including in this topic (which is wonderful, by the way; thanks for your hard work!). So far, I'm thinking of the 24" BenQ 2400WD.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...6824014173&Tpk=g2400wd

Is this what you guys would recommend, based on my criteria? As well, Newegg offers an extended net warranty plan-- 2 years for $60. Would this be worthwhile? I'm particularly worried about receiving it and having a dead pixel problem, due to Newegg's crummy 8-pixel policy.

Thanks, all! I appreciate it.

 

[Aggressor22]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Aggressor22

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Aggressor22
Another question XTknight, when looking at this page:
http://xtknight.50webs.com/lcd26/page9.htm

I see that the text has a greenish feel to it, some letters have green through them. Ive tried different settings with the preset modes, i also tried that with DigitalVersus's color profilem none did help.
Also, its somewhat better with sRGB color mode preset.
Btw, what is your personal advice of what preset mode to use on the Dell 3008WFP without any calibrated profiles for games/movies/desktop use?

Using Mircrosoft's ClearType tune didnt help.

Aggressor, I've never used this LCD so you'll have to bear with me. Many of the problems you experienced I never have with my wide gamut LCDs.

However, I do think the white looks a little greenish on my LCD2690 as well (more so than my L227). I think it's worse the wider the gamut is, because wide gamut LCDs particularly excel in the green area. So you're going to have to use the sRGB mode or get used to the greenish white, which is probably the best idea, because sRGB presets on WG LCDs significantly hamper color quality.

My personal advice is to stick with native, non-sRGB modes and then adjust red/green/blue to fit your needs. You can somewhat counter the green tint by lowering the G (Green) level of intensity in the R/G/B controls. I hope that helps.

The text's green feel can be due to improper subpixel hinting (ClearType). You can disable that and see if it is remedied. Other than that, it might be a sort of text shadow artifact the LCD has, as many Dells are known to have (don't jump to that conclusion immediately). If it has a sharpness control, adjust that and try to adjust it to the point of "pass through" (no modification-blurring/sharpening done to the text).

Changing to sRGB mode indeed reduces the green halo effect around letters, but as you noted, sRGB is lifeless on this screen (due to wide gamut yes).

To re-ask, is this something to worry about or return the screen?
Btw, it also does when i click on "turn off pc'' or shut dow or restart with the 9800 pc.

Video 1 with 9800GTX DVI:
http://www.youtube.com/v/jJG5WHGGBQQ

Video 2 with 6800 DVI:
http://www.youtube.com/v/8wGnozuPWcE

PIC from the video 2:
http://img.photobucket.com/alb...ellRipper/3008wfp2.jpg

You should check the manufacturer's warranty to see what constitutes an imperfection or defect to your LCD. Usually this includes severe backlight bleeding, lack of functionality, or a line of dead pixels. What you're talking about is not a defect of it, it's only a unfortunate side effect of the technology or a poor implementation (much like any problems with overdrive). Poorly setup pixel lining, subpixel arrangement, resolution scaling, or sharpness controls on a line of monitors don't indicate that there's a defect with your unit.

You can exchange for a refurb within a certain time period for any reason with Dell, but I would not expect your refurb to be any different, because there is probably nothing wrong with how your unit was manufactured.

From the videos I don't see anything immediately wrong with your screen but the last pic link didn't work.

Edit: the link in your previous post worked but all I see is a BIOS screen with what I really assume to be green text and motion blur from the exposure.

http://img.photobucket.com/alb...ellRipper/3008wfp2.jpg

Is the "Press DEL to run setup" being green the problem you're talking about? It's white on other monitors? In the photo it looks COMPLETELY green, so I don't know why that is (maybe camera is overexposing it). I just thought you flashed your BIOS startup image or something. I also do not know what the corruption is in the left bottom although I'd be far more worried about that. There is a lack of bandwidth in your cable, video card, or a bad input on the Dell monitor (defect) if what I'm seeing what I think I'm seeing.

About the green text, im not worried indeed, its a effect from wide gamut ive learned now.
About the pic:
http://img.photobucket.com/alb...ellRipper/3008wfp2.jpg

Its been taken from the last video:
http://www.youtube.com/v/8wGnozuPWcE
I just made a screen of the white noise on the bottom left. This doesnt happen at the bios screen of my new pc, there it happens at the login of win xp/shut down xp.

To note, mostly it doesnt happen, it happens sometimes. So if it was a defect within something, it would occur allways?
PS: The 'corruption' in the pic is just something that occurs on bootup with that pc for like 0,01 sec. I had just paused there and did print screen from the video.
Cause you say you didnt find anything wrong in the video's, the pic could confuse u maybe cause you might thought it was allways there? In video 2, u see it in motion.

I have asked some friends and they have said i dont have to worry about it... well their not really monitor experts i think

 

[Aggressor22]

Okej xtknight, did some testing. Have switchet the dvi cable to another port (dvi2) and it did the same. So it isnt a bad input on the Dell.
I also tried another cable (dvi single) and it did the same as you see on video 2 (or pic). About that, to be honest, i dont think its a defect. It doesnt happen on boot up, only on reboot (video2).

About video 1:
http://www.youtube.com/v/jJG5WHGGBQQ

It did same too with both inputs. But it didnt happen lately anymore, its frequent. I think it has to do with that the monitor 'searches' for the input as windows loads up and that it gives a 'garbage' screen meanwhile.
Anyway, im happy with the monitor even if it does this white noisy. Its normal i think/hope.

Btw, ive seen the NEC 2690 yesterday, it seems to be much better at viewing angles, but the guy told me that had to do with the Dell 3008wfp's 'IPS-glow' that occurs when close-up, and the coating causing some different colors.

But hey thanks for your help, im settled with his monitor.

EDIT:
Well, its happening still (video 1),
http://www.youtube.com/v/jJG5WHGGBQQ

But when i turn off the monitor off/on then its gone and sometimes its there. On the dvi single i couldnt see it, but its frequent, sometimes it doesnt happen all the day, sometimes it does happen whole time. Im sure it has to with the monitor searching the input or something, cause right after it, it shows the dvi logo on top-left of screen.

 

[SilverTrine]

Originally posted by: BDawg
Well, my Westinghouse L2410NM has stopped working correctly on HDMI. The monitor keeps flashing black periodically with both my 360 and PS3 (changed HDMI cables).

Westinghouse is going to arrange for a swap out with Best Buy (where I purchased). Problem is, BB doesn't show that they have this monitor anymore. The replacement is a 25 inch with the same features but TN panel instead of S-MVA.

Yeah this model has severe sync/handshake issues with all HDMI components. I have a Ps3 and a Philips HDMI DVD player and it will be working fine and suddenly the screen will flash go black and then go to snow. You can go for weeks without this happening sometimes but then other days it happens all the time. Rather annoying to say the least.
Monitor is totally stable on component and exhibits the problem with my DVD player and Ps3 so obviously its Westinghouse.
I havent decided if its worth going to the hassle of mailing it back since I bought it on Newegg but I may as it is very annoying.

 

[vekyri]

I need help with buying a 22" LCD.
I've had a Samsung 226BW which was great. There was almost no backlight bleeding except the color was maybe a little to blue.
Now I'm plannig to set up a dual display, but cannot make up my mind witch LCD would be a good replacement for my samsung.
Is 2253BW an improved version? Dell 2208WFP or Dell SP2208WFP
Thanks

 

[rhoniel]

Hi All,
I have a similrar question as vekyri.
I am upgraiding from 17" CRT monitor. I am looking at 19" to 20" LCD monitors for some gaming & web browsing. Currently I am looking at following models:

1. Dell UltraSharp 1908WFP

2. Samsung Syncmaster 2053BW

3. Samsung Syncmaster 953BW

4. Acer AL1916WAbd

5. Samsung SyncMaster 940BW

Is there any of these monitor which is better/worse than others in the list?.
Thank you.

 

[andres1221]

Hey,

yet another one who is looking for help. I am going to buy new 22'' lcd monitor soon, but can't decide between 2232BW and T220 both have same price. So can anyone help me and tell which one should i choose?

thanks...

 

[Aggressor22]

Originally posted by: andres1221
Hey,

yet another one who is looking for help. I am going to buy new 22'' lcd monitor soon, but can't decide between 2232BW and T220 both have same price. So can anyone help me and tell which one should i choose?

thanks...

Both dont differ much, its more the looks. To note, the T220 has less input lag and a somewhat better color accuracy.

 

[andres1221]

Originally posted by: Aggressor22

Originally posted by: andres1221
Hey,

yet another one who is looking for help. I am going to buy new 22'' lcd monitor soon, but can't decide between 2232BW and T220 both have same price. So can anyone help me and tell which one should i choose?

thanks...

Both dont differ much, its more the looks. To note, the T220 has less input lag and a somewhat better color accuracy.

Thanks for the answer.

So T220 is slightly better. I think i will take that then. It's design looks nice also...

But would like to hear some more information, if there is anything to hear.

 

[Aggressor22]

Originally posted by: andres1221

Originally posted by: Aggressor22

Originally posted by: andres1221
Hey,

yet another one who is looking for help. I am going to buy new 22'' lcd monitor soon, but can't decide between 2232BW and T220 both have same price. So can anyone help me and tell which one should i choose?

thanks...

Both dont differ much, its more the looks. To note, the T220 has less input lag and a somewhat better color accuracy.

Thanks for the answer.

So T220 is slightly better. I think i will take that then. It's design looks nice also...

But would like to hear some more information, if there is anything to hear.

Like i said, they dont differ much, the T220 has somewhat better colors and its faster.
I also thought the 2232 has diff panels, where the T220 has all Samsungs... not sure

 

[Aggressor22]

XTknight, ive readed ur explanation about cleaning monitors.
Ive cleaned my monitor using the Dell cleaning cloth it came with, i made it wet and cleaned my screen.
The cloth that came with the Dell is a Microfiber, i made it wet with tap-water and cleaned my LCD. Now that i used tap-water, its damaged?

Officialy according to the manual, you have to remove any condence from the monitor after cleaning, ivent done that. It was dry allmost within secs.

But your explanation in the first post doesnt say anything about removing condence after cleaning with cloth/water. So i assume i cant damage anything?

 

[Frodo Jones]

I am looking to buy the LG L227WT because of the low input lag for gaming. It is rated #1 for gaming on this site. The review that is linked claims it has 0 input lag.

Digital Versus Face to Face tests says an average of 27 ms.

Am I misreading something?

 

[iHax]

I just joined to say the same thing, Frodo.

Also DigitalVersus says my monitor, a lowly Acer AL2016W, has TONS of input lag (40ms or so) - I tested it yesterday vs my 17" Sony CRT. I took a total of 15 pictures @ 1/1000 shutter speed, 6 out of 15 it was behind by one frame, 8 it was the same as the CRT on a stopwatch test. Therefore my monitor has less than a frame of input lag, somewhere in the ballpark of 7ms. The cheapest 20" LCD I could buy (got it last year on a whim, didn't want to carry a CRT to a college LAN) turns out, while terrible in all image quality aspects, to be an excellent gaming monitor.

I'm starting to think I can't trust ANYTHING: I should just go out and buy a monitor regardless of any specifications, test it myself, and hope for the best.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Aggressor22
In this test:
http://www.galacticmag.com/mon...ness-and-contrast.html

My 3008wfp can display all of them exept the '255' feature in multimedia preset modus.
I can see abit of it, but its only a part of it. Should a 3008 even be able to display that gradient?

Not really. My LCD26 can't even do it that well.

Originally posted by: Frodo Jones
I am looking to buy the LG L227WT because of the low input lag for gaming. It is rated #1 for gaming on this site. The review that is linked claims it has 0 input lag.

Digital Versus Face to Face tests says an average of 27 ms.

Am I misreading something?

This was covered earlier but I believe DigitalVersus is in error. I own the L227WT and can tell it has very little input lag. PRAD reports zero input lag. I do my best but can't guarantee all the information in the OP is correct. After my use of the L227 I would not at all hesitate to recommend it for gaming regardless of if it has 2 frames of lag or not; it is the fastest panel I've seen. It's at home so I would get an actual measurement of it but can't for awhile.

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
Ok its down to the DoubleSight DS-265W and FP241VW. I will be using it for Xbox360 HDMI, Movies, and Games. Which one would be best for this?

I say the DS-265W because of its IPS panel. We will have to wait until it comes out or until a reviewer gets his hands on it to test for scaling and input capability. I'm guessing it will be OK although the BenQ has always been known to be great in inputs.

Originally posted by: TheStigUK
I'm looking at getting the Samsung T200 (or something similar with a similar price; that's about £180 or less) to use with my 360 and PC. My 360 will be on the VGA port and my PC on the DVI one, so obviously being able to switch easily between the two is a must.

I'm not fussed about viewing angles (as long as it looks good head on); but ideally there shouldn't be much (or any) ghosting.

So basically is the Samsung T200 monitor a good choice or am I missing something better?

Thanks!

I am not as sure of the 20" panels. Mostly only 22"s are being innovated at the moment, so that's the sector in which you will find panels with the most accurate and fastest response time. The Samsung 206BW (Samsung's last 20") has a history of blue cast and response time issues. I don't know how the T200 is, it hasn't been reviewed, but if I had to guess I would avoid it in favor of something on the recommended list at the moment. You can go for the recommended 20" panels but still 22" (think LG L227WT, L226WTG-PF, VW222U) will be noticeably better for gaming at this point.

 

[Aggressor22]

Btw xtknight

The phenom from this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJG5WHGGBQQ

It does happen when i start up an application like a game of crysis, im 100% sure it has to do with that it switches mode or something.

 

[iHax]

xtknight, from my description in my post above, do you think my test was decent? I'm just finding it hard to believe this cheap LCD could be better than so many in input lag.

I'll give a little more info: I ran an old 17" CRT, Sony Trinitron, in clone mode with my Acer AL2016W - the LCD was in native resolution and the CRT was 'panning' (graphics card scaling?) to accomodate 1680x1050. Both at 60hz. From there I took a total of 15 pictures @ 1/1000 shutter speed, 6 out of 15 it was behind by one frame, 8 it was the same as the CRT on a stopwatch test. I also did the same test at a smaller resolution, running both monitors at 75hz. Basically got the same results as the previous test. (FYI I play competitive UT2004/UT3 and run 1440x900 in those games to get 75hz, visual quality is of no concern)

I just sit here feeling this can't be right... such a cheap monitor, terrible color and contrast, why would input lag be any better... is it possible the CRT also has input lag, or are all of them lag-free?

If it's actually this good, people should be looking for this monitor for budget gaming - less than half a frame of lag, and I'm sure you could find one used for under $150.