[Retired] The LCD Thread

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: zod96
Is the HP LP2275w a glossy screen or matte screen?

Very likely a matte screen. I don't think HP releases glossy panels under the LP line, only the w series.

Originally posted by: Eluros
Greetings, all!

So, I'm looking to purchase a new monitor. My new one, a 19" Fuji Plus LCD, has served me well for several years. However, I love PC gaming, and have recently been using my PC as my media center to watch movies on with friends. I'd like to upgrade it to something that would allow for some awesome resolutions (I'm thinking 1900x1200), and decent viewing angles for viewing movies with friends. I'd like to spend around $400, but I'm willing to go up to around $500 if the price/performance ratio is decent enough.

I've done a bit of research, including in this topic (which is wonderful, by the way; thanks for your hard work!). So far, I'm thinking of the 24" BenQ 2400WD.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...6824014173&Tpk=g2400wd

Is this what you guys would recommend, based on my criteria? As well, Newegg offers an extended net warranty plan-- 2 years for $60. Would this be worthwhile? I'm particularly worried about receiving it and having a dead pixel problem, due to Newegg's crummy 8-pixel policy.

Thanks, all! I appreciate it.

I'm not sure the details of the extended policy, like if it covers dead pixels or not. You could probably exchange to try another refurb from BenQ if something goes wrong.

I am a little worried about the viewing angles on a 24" TN (G2400WD) so I would give other VA panels a look.

 

[Frodo Jones]

Originally posted by: xtknight

This was covered earlier but I believe DigitalVersus is in error. I own the L227WT and can tell it has very little input lag. PRAD reports zero input lag. I do my best but can't guarantee all the information in the OP is correct. After my use of the L227 I would not at all hesitate to recommend it for gaming regardless of if it has 2 frames of lag or not; it is the fastest panel I've seen. It's at home so I would get an actual measurement of it but can't for awhile.

Thanks for the reply. I am going to trust your expertise and buy one tomorrow. There is a Best Buy within an hour's drive that has them in stock.

L227WTG-PF at Best Buy

 

[HobbesCalvin]

Hi there,
I've looked a couple of pages back, and used the search function, but could not find the information desired so I'll ask it myself.
If it has already been discussed I appologise and would like to be referd to the information...

I'm currently using a Philips 109B6 CRT monitor, I quite like it but it has a bit of a down side. It is a 4:3 monitor and does not offer that good of workspace for photo editing, the main function of my computer.

At the end of this year, or beginning of next I want to upgrade my P4 3,0GHz with HyperThreading to a Bloomfield (Intel Core i7) systeem, it is about time to do it..).
I'm using Adobe CS3 Master Collection (legally !), mainly Photoshop but also Premiere, Encore, GoLive etc.

Now I'm looking for a good monitor for the upcoming system and software I'm using.

TN panels are nice for gaming, but that's something I do not frequently do, and for Photo editing I personlly don't like them as far as I have used them at my parents for instance.
By searching the web, reading tons of reviews and so I thought I found two possible candidates: Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP (according to Dell S-PVA) and the HP LP2475w (accordingly an S-IPS). From an other forum I got the Eizo S2431WH (should be an S-PVA) suggested. Down-side of the Eizo however is the price. I had set myself a max of ? 700,-
Sadly there are only a few reviews of the Dell 2408 wfp, and all based on the first version which had the red / pink problem which should be resolved with the new revision recently introduced. There are no reveiws of the HP LP2475w and only some older reviews of the Eizo. Of course there are no reviews comparing them all...
Also most reviews only give numbers, and only a few reviews give "picture quality" as it is observerd, but them it is really important that one person compares all the desired monitors. You can not compare the "conclusion" of person A about monitor A with the "conclusion" of person B about monitor B.

Every where I read S-IPS is mentioned as the better one for photo editing, but why is the older S-PVA based HP LP2465 more expansive then? I also have read about color uniformity problems of the LP2475w...

The other trouble with al these monitors is that they are mostly business line models and therefor can not be found in stores to take a look yourself. At least not in the Netherlands where I live.

Who can give me good advice which monitor to buy....?
I'm thinking about buying the monitor in the near future, sooner then the system. That way I can spread the spending a little and are able to "burn-in" the monitor before the new system is hook on. I asume that just like tv's and so the first couple of hours (about 200) the monitor will still change a bit. (Of course things like brightness and contrast will be scaled down compared to the factory default which often is max.)

It's quite a big question but I do hope you can help me...

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Frodo Jones

Originally posted by: xtknight

This was covered earlier but I believe DigitalVersus is in error. I own the L227WT and can tell it has very little input lag. PRAD reports zero input lag. I do my best but can't guarantee all the information in the OP is correct. After my use of the L227 I would not at all hesitate to recommend it for gaming regardless of if it has 2 frames of lag or not; it is the fastest panel I've seen. It's at home so I would get an actual measurement of it but can't for awhile.

Thanks for the reply. I am going to trust your expertise and buy one tomorrow. There is a Best Buy within an hour's drive that has them in stock.

L227WTG-PF at Best Buy

If you're not happy with the speed of it, feel free to leave a comment here that you were given bad advice. We practice "glasnost" (openness) here, which means everyone is entitled to his opinion and no message is moderated unless it's inappropriate. Best Buy allows you to return monitors within 14 days (I think without a restocking fee), so you're not too far behind either way.

I'm going to leave it up there regardless but not one LCD works for everyone. You have my guarantee it's as fast as any other LCD out there within practical limits. That is, unless of course that you can't stand LCDs in general, in which case you should get treated for LCD flu.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Aggressor22
Okej xtknight, did some testing. Have switchet the dvi cable to another port (dvi2) and it did the same. So it isnt a bad input on the Dell.
I also tried another cable (dvi single) and it did the same as you see on video 2 (or pic). About that, to be honest, i dont think its a defect. It doesnt happen on boot up, only on reboot (video2).

I'm being picky and am following the scientific method rigorously, but what you did doesn't rule out a bad component in the monitor. When we are debugging a difficult problem, we have to be really careful. All inputs on the monitor eventually get fed into the same chipset so that they can be displayed on the screen.

About video 1:
http://www.youtube.com/v/jJG5WHGGBQQ

It did same too with both inputs. But it didnt happen lately anymore, its frequent. I think it has to do with that the monitor 'searches' for the input as windows loads up and that it gives a 'garbage' screen meanwhile.
Anyway, im happy with the monitor even if it does this white noisy. Its normal i think/hope.

Btw, ive seen the NEC 2690 yesterday, it seems to be much better at viewing angles, but the guy told me that had to do with the Dell 3008wfp's 'IPS-glow' that occurs when close-up, and the coating causing some different colors.

But hey thanks for your help, im settled with his monitor.

EDIT:
Well, its happening still (video 1),
http://www.youtube.com/v/jJG5WHGGBQQ

But when i turn off the monitor off/on then its gone and sometimes its there. On the dvi single i couldnt see it, but its frequent, sometimes it doesnt happen all the day, sometimes it does happen whole time. Im sure it has to with the monitor searching the input or something, cause right after it, it shows the dvi logo on top-left of screen.

Yeah if it doesn't bother you, you'll have to live with it. No piece of electronics is perfect, not even digital ones due to factors we cannot control (errors by humans who made the product, radiation, and/or unknown forces). It may be that the chip was made within a certain tolerance and they deemed that error not serious enough. Dell isn't a "luxury" monitor manufacturer (it is usually outsourced to a cheap design team in East Asia) so you can't expect miracles with the implementation.

 

[sometimeago]

Okie i have a huge dilema.. I am looking to buy a new monitor. And am not going with an LCD one my only problem is i am buying it at Bestbuy .. i have about 400$ or so to spend on this brand new card i got about a month ago.. if anyone could help me pick one out it be awesome.. i read a bit of the thread and keep on reading but this seems still unclear to me.. i am about 3 hours away to head to best buy and buy a new monitor. and still dont have a clue on what to buy.. am looking for 19+ and something good for gaming i read that fast ms = better for gaming but as for other stuff i am kinda lost. if anyone can help me out on picking one out it be greatly appreciated.

so far
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/...FS10100848&catid=22559

is what i found pretty descent not sure if it is any good but MS is at 2 i might be completely out of the park : (

also am in canada so bestbuy.ca

 

[FordGT]

I bought a Samsung 2232BW+ from BestBuy a few days ago as my first flat panel. I used a 17" CRT for 10 years.

Mine is an AU Optronics panel, panel code: m-PE22B0CLB-1002

There is a definite blue tint to everything, orange if I set it to "Warm".

"Normal" is bluish and "Cool" is way too blue. While displaying a white background, the right side has a yellowish hue to it while the left is white.

Everything appears to be washed out as well. No gamma change helped, eiher 1 2 or 3. Light blues are almost impossible to see no matter what the brightness/contrast settings and back light bleed is pretty bad in dark scenes. Mainly towards the top and bottom on the screen with some on the sides.

My panel also seems to have bad motion blur. When I drag windows I can see really bad ghosting and stuttering almost that kind of makes me sick to my stomach a bit to watch. In movies it's not as visible but it's still there. I tried turning RTA on and off but nothing helps although RTA does seems to increase ghosting.

In the upper left corner there is another issue. The picture actually bends upward. A straight line curves upward, say like a browser window.

Even though build quality really has nothing to do with picture quality, this Samsung is built like a Happy Meal toy. Very light and very plastic. I picked up an HP w2207h that was near by(should have bought that one) and it weighed a ton. Very sturdy and very well built compared to my Samsung. I don't have any dead pixels but I don't care. This is going back to BestBuy.

Any suggestions for a replacment? I've heard really good things about HP's w2207h which looked really nice on display. What about the 22" LG's?

 

[Aggressor22]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Aggressor22
Okej xtknight, did some testing. Have switchet the dvi cable to another port (dvi2) and it did the same. So it isnt a bad input on the Dell.
I also tried another cable (dvi single) and it did the same as you see on video 2 (or pic). About that, to be honest, i dont think its a defect. It doesnt happen on boot up, only on reboot (video2).

I'm being picky and am following the scientific method rigorously, but what you did doesn't rule out a bad component in the monitor. When we are debugging a difficult problem, we have to be really careful. All inputs on the monitor eventually get fed into the same chipset so that they can be displayed on the screen.

About video 1:
http://www.youtube.com/v/jJG5WHGGBQQ

It did same too with both inputs. But it didnt happen lately anymore, its frequent. I think it has to do with that the monitor 'searches' for the input as windows loads up and that it gives a 'garbage' screen meanwhile.
Anyway, im happy with the monitor even if it does this white noisy. Its normal i think/hope.

Btw, ive seen the NEC 2690 yesterday, it seems to be much better at viewing angles, but the guy told me that had to do with the Dell 3008wfp's 'IPS-glow' that occurs when close-up, and the coating causing some different colors.

But hey thanks for your help, im settled with his monitor.

EDIT:
Well, its happening still (video 1),
http://www.youtube.com/v/jJG5WHGGBQQ

But when i turn off the monitor off/on then its gone and sometimes its there. On the dvi single i couldnt see it, but its frequent, sometimes it doesnt happen all the day, sometimes it does happen whole time. Im sure it has to with the monitor searching the input or something, cause right after it, it shows the dvi logo on top-left of screen.

Yeah if it doesn't bother you, you'll have to live with it. No piece of electronics is perfect, not even digital ones due to factors we cannot control (errors by humans who made the product, radiation, and/or unknown forces). It may be that the chip was made within a certain tolerance and they deemed that error not serious enough. Dell isn't a "luxury" monitor manufacturer (it is usually outsourced to a cheap design team in East Asia) so you can't expect miracles with the implementation.

Ak okej thx, but youve said you didnt see anything bad in the video's so i assume its allright?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Aggressor22

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Aggressor22
Okej xtknight, did some testing. Have switchet the dvi cable to another port (dvi2) and it did the same. So it isnt a bad input on the Dell.
I also tried another cable (dvi single) and it did the same as you see on video 2 (or pic). About that, to be honest, i dont think its a defect. It doesnt happen on boot up, only on reboot (video2).

I'm being picky and am following the scientific method rigorously, but what you did doesn't rule out a bad component in the monitor. When we are debugging a difficult problem, we have to be really careful. All inputs on the monitor eventually get fed into the same chipset so that they can be displayed on the screen.

About video 1:
http://www.youtube.com/v/jJG5WHGGBQQ

It did same too with both inputs. But it didnt happen lately anymore, its frequent. I think it has to do with that the monitor 'searches' for the input as windows loads up and that it gives a 'garbage' screen meanwhile.
Anyway, im happy with the monitor even if it does this white noisy. Its normal i think/hope.

Btw, ive seen the NEC 2690 yesterday, it seems to be much better at viewing angles, but the guy told me that had to do with the Dell 3008wfp's 'IPS-glow' that occurs when close-up, and the coating causing some different colors.

But hey thanks for your help, im settled with his monitor.

EDIT:
Well, its happening still (video 1),
http://www.youtube.com/v/jJG5WHGGBQQ

But when i turn off the monitor off/on then its gone and sometimes its there. On the dvi single i couldnt see it, but its frequent, sometimes it doesnt happen all the day, sometimes it does happen whole time. Im sure it has to with the monitor searching the input or something, cause right after it, it shows the dvi logo on top-left of screen.

Yeah if it doesn't bother you, you'll have to live with it. No piece of electronics is perfect, not even digital ones due to factors we cannot control (errors by humans who made the product, radiation, and/or unknown forces). It may be that the chip was made within a certain tolerance and they deemed that error not serious enough. Dell isn't a "luxury" monitor manufacturer (it is usually outsourced to a cheap design team in East Asia) so you can't expect miracles with the implementation.

Ak okej thx, but youve said you didnt see anything bad in the video's so i assume its allright?

Nope I don't see anything wrong. It just looks like the video card clearing a buffer or something. I've had worse.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: vekyri
I need help with buying a 22" LCD.
I've had a Samsung 226BW which was great. There was almost no backlight bleeding except the color was maybe a little to blue.
Now I'm plannig to set up a dual display, but cannot make up my mind witch LCD would be a good replacement for my samsung.
Is 2253BW an improved version? Dell 2208WFP or Dell SP2208WFP
Thanks

The 2253BW would be an OK companion to the 226BW, I guess due to the fact it also has a blue tint. You don't want them to look that much different. Plus, the bezels wouldn't be so far off. If you're really looking for a better display, then you can try the LG L227WTG-PF, which is wide gamut (but not as wide gamut as some oversaturated LCDs).

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: rhoniel
Hi All,
I have a similrar question as vekyri.
I am upgraiding from 17" CRT monitor. I am looking at 19" to 20" LCD monitors for some gaming & web browsing. Currently I am looking at following models:

1. Dell UltraSharp 1908WFP

2. Samsung Syncmaster 2053BW

3. Samsung Syncmaster 953BW

4. Acer AL1916WAbd

5. Samsung SyncMaster 940BW

Is there any of these monitor which is better/worse than others in the list?.
Thank you.

I would look under the Multimedia section, but the HP LP2065 is not a bad idea if you like S-IPS panels with wide angles. They are great for general use and fairly good for gaming. If you're going for something brighter, a little less stable (viewing angle), but faster, then you can try an HP w2007 or Samsung 2053BW.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: andres1221
Hey,

yet another one who is looking for help. I am going to buy new 22'' lcd monitor soon, but can't decide between 2232BW and T220 both have same price. So can anyone help me and tell which one should i choose?

thanks...

I don't like either a whole ton. I prefer the 22" LGs because the image quality is way more consistent. See if those are available where you live or if there's a reason you like the Samsungs better then you can state that too. Mostly I hear people thinking about buying Samsung because they look cool and they saw them in a flashy ad. That doesn't mean all their LCDs are worse than other manufacturers', but Samsung is rarely the best anymore, unfortunately, due to their panel swapping practices. That results in poor color setup and messed up response time, causing artifacts (the monitor isn't tuned for the particular panel you end up with). They do that allegedly because they are in such high demand, although other than marketing I'm not sure why because other LCDs have surpassed their quality.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Aggressor22
XTknight, ive readed ur explanation about cleaning monitors.
Ive cleaned my monitor using the Dell cleaning cloth it came with, i made it wet and cleaned my screen.
The cloth that came with the Dell is a Microfiber, i made it wet with tap-water and cleaned my LCD. Now that i used tap-water, its damaged?

Officialy according to the manual, you have to remove any condence from the monitor after cleaning, ivent done that. It was dry allmost within secs.

But your explanation in the first post doesnt say anything about removing condence after cleaning with cloth/water. So i assume i cant damage anything?

No, it's fine. Most of the time I just wash my monitors with tap water and a tissue, or a t-shirt if I have one lying around. And they look fine. I do live in Michigan so maybe my tap water is better, but I doubt it matters much as long as your tap isn't an absolute disaster. You can tell if it's ruined or not just by looking at it. If you're worried you can get a bottle of distilled water or Aquafina (don't ask me if that's really distilled or boiled or what).

You should only use rubbing alcohol if you absolutely need to, but I've also used this on almost every monitor I've had with no problem, including various types of anti-glare and a glossy one. As time goes by, if you use too much rubbing alcohol, it might eat away at the coating though.

 

[ZX81]

klear-screen

www.klearscreen.com

one 8oz bottle costs $20 and lasts years

 

[NEVERwinter]

how about ASUS VW198T? Is it as good as VW222, or .... ?

 

[Aggressor22]

Okej xtknight, many thanks. Things are cleared up for me now.
Ill hang around on these forums anyway, allways have intrest in monitors
Oh and btw, im from Netherlands so think the tapwater isnt that good but not a total disaster

 

[fyleow]

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[palladium]

Just wondering, is the Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP a glossy or a matte display?

 

[Aggressor22]

Originally posted by: palladium
Just wondering, is the Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP a glossy or a matte display?

Matte antiglare coating.

 

[Aggressor22]

Originally posted by: fyleow
Are there any logical (non 30 inch) upgrade paths for the Dell 2405FPW at the moment? I bought this monitor back in 2005 and I'm looking to upgrade for a couple of reasons. While it has a nice amount of inputs it does not support HDCP so I can't use it for a PS3. I use an S-IPS HP LP2065 at work and coming home I'm starting to notice the horizontal color differences of PVA panels more. I mostly watch video and do some gaming on my computer.

1) Are the new PVA panels (i.e 2407) much better than the one in the 2405FPW that an upgrade would be justified?

2) I've heard the TN doesn't have horizontal color differences but vertical instead. Since the 24 inch is much longer than tall it seems that vertical color differences would be less noticeable. I'm not sure it's much of an "upgrade" going from an older PVA to a new TN though. Thoughts on this?

3) If I'm looking at 30 inchers are there any good ones that can serve for consoles as well? Newer consoles seem to have HDMI which can be converted to DVI but what about scaling?

4) What's the deal with the Dell 3007 and the 3008. Why is the 3008 so much more?

I'm kind of regretting not getting one of those HP LP3065s on eBay for $900 when Live Cashback was still at 25%.

I think any or most PVA's are better then TN Film. TN has bad shifting at any angle...
Ive the Dell 3008wfp A02 and so far im very happy with it, the main difference between the 3007 and 3008 is that the 3008 has a scaler chip, a wider gamut, tons of connections (hdmi/displayport/dual dvi-d/component, etc) and a improved menu. I would for sure get the 3008 if you intent to use consoles due to its scaling and the connections like hdmi.

As far im having it, its miles ahead of the 2709w, which allready is a very good monitor. S-IPS gives the most accurate colors and no color-shift from any angle.
The mechanics of the 3008 are the best ive ever seen, brushed alumium and a stand made of glas. You also get pbp, but not pip somehow...
About inputlag, ivent noticed any on my 3008, and i play alot bf2.

 

[duderockin]

something is off with the BenQ G2400WD measurements.

the Face to Face page has input delay listed as 3 min/ 3 max/...1.9 avg? how is an average lower than the minimum? there is some sloppy data management going on over there.

 

[ack84]

Which 19"-20" 4:3 monitor?

Firstly, I'd like to thank the author for the time spent in consolidating this wealth of information, it's been a great help!

My monitor just gave way, and I have been reading reviews over at xbitlabs and I can't decide on anything in line with my needs: very basic internet & movies (I'm hardly at home nowadays even for that). I seldom play games, however, I'm the type that won't want to buy the lowest of the pecking order simply because it's cheap (I'd prefer a "jack of all trades" type of solution). At the same time, I can't bring myself to spend $600+ for a peripheral I know I won't make the most of! And before you ask, the preference for non-widescreen is more due to space restrictions than anything else.

From what I've read, I want to avoid TN panels (which seem to be the source of everything that's wrong in the LCD market!), while a VA panel will suit the specs I've mentioned. Hence, my options come down to:

HP LP1965
HP LP2065
Dell 2007FP

Appreciate any thoughts/opinions/comments.

 

[Aggressor22]

Btw xtknight, ive bought a pack of bottles destilled water for just 5 euros. Have cleaned with it 2 times, and now it doesnt have any bobbles when i hold my breath to the panel. Much better, but i still the stripes from top to end if i breath to the panel, but i guess u will allways see something like that after cleaning?

EDIT:

Seems the cleaning occured 3 blue stuck pixels. I followed a guide for fixing them, i applied pressure on the screen, wrove abit, and there occured some more. After doing it again, they all dissapeared.

Well, with your knowlegde of panels, could you say something about of how long this will be? or will the stuck pixels return? Some sites claim they are gone, some say they will come back after 'several hours'. Im also wondering how i can check if i damaged something doing this. I did this cause i have nothing to loose anyway...

EDIT 2:

Have turned it off/on, stuck pixels all over the screen (some light up very brightly, esp on a black background). Gonna try to send it back to Dell.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: iHax
I just joined to say the same thing, Frodo.

Also DigitalVersus says my monitor, a lowly Acer AL2016W, has TONS of input lag (40ms or so) - I tested it yesterday vs my 17" Sony CRT. I took a total of 15 pictures @ 1/1000 shutter speed, 6 out of 15 it was behind by one frame, 8 it was the same as the CRT on a stopwatch test. Therefore my monitor has less than a frame of input lag, somewhere in the ballpark of 7ms. The cheapest 20" LCD I could buy (got it last year on a whim, didn't want to carry a CRT to a college LAN) turns out, while terrible in all image quality aspects, to be an excellent gaming monitor.

I'm starting to think I can't trust ANYTHING: I should just go out and buy a monitor regardless of any specifications, test it myself, and hope for the best.

DigitalVersus is the English translation of the site BeHardware (residing in France or Belgium I believe), so they might get slightly different models than the US does. That might account for differences. Why the European units have more input lag? Don't even bother asking me, I wouldn't know anymore than you would on that one.

Originally posted by: iHax
xtknight, from my description in my post above, do you think my test was decent? I'm just finding it hard to believe this cheap LCD could be better than so many in input lag.

Cheap LCDs use TN panels. TN panels are very fast and usually have very low input lag. I don't think I've ever seen any decent proof (beyond DigitalVersus' skewed figures) of a TN having 2 or more frames of input lag.

I'll give a little more info: I ran an old 17" CRT, Sony Trinitron, in clone mode with my Acer AL2016W - the LCD was in native resolution and the CRT was 'panning' (graphics card scaling?) to accomodate 1680x1050. Both at 60hz. From there I took a total of 15 pictures @ 1/1000 shutter speed, 6 out of 15 it was behind by one frame, 8 it was the same as the CRT on a stopwatch test. I also did the same test at a smaller resolution, running both monitors at 75hz. Basically got the same results as the previous test. (FYI I play competitive UT2004/UT3 and run 1440x900 in those games to get 75hz, visual quality is of no concern)

I just sit here feeling this can't be right... such a cheap monitor, terrible color and contrast, why would input lag be any better... is it possible the CRT also has input lag, or are all of them lag-free?

If it's actually this good, people should be looking for this monitor for budget gaming - less than half a frame of lag, and I'm sure you could find one used for under $150.

(See reasons above.) TN panels excel at speed and price but not much else. Although these days they are making better quality TNs which means high contrast and decent color.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: HobbesCalvin
Hi there,
I've looked a couple of pages back, and used the search function, but could not find the information desired so I'll ask it myself.
If it has already been discussed I appologise and would like to be referd to the information...

I'm currently using a Philips 109B6 CRT monitor, I quite like it but it has a bit of a down side. It is a 4:3 monitor and does not offer that good of workspace for photo editing, the main function of my computer.

At the end of this year, or beginning of next I want to upgrade my P4 3,0GHz with HyperThreading to a Bloomfield (Intel Core i7) systeem, it is about time to do it..).
I'm using Adobe CS3 Master Collection (legally !), mainly Photoshop but also Premiere, Encore, GoLive etc.

Now I'm looking for a good monitor for the upcoming system and software I'm using.

TN panels are nice for gaming, but that's something I do not frequently do, and for Photo editing I personlly don't like them as far as I have used them at my parents for instance.
By searching the web, reading tons of reviews and so I thought I found two possible candidates: Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP (according to Dell S-PVA) and the HP LP2475w (accordingly an S-IPS). From an other forum I got the Eizo S2431WH (should be an S-PVA) suggested. Down-side of the Eizo however is the price. I had set myself a max of ? 700,-
Sadly there are only a few reviews of the Dell 2408 wfp, and all based on the first version which had the red / pink problem which should be resolved with the new revision recently introduced. There are no reveiws of the HP LP2475w and only some older reviews of the Eizo. Of course there are no reviews comparing them all...
Also most reviews only give numbers, and only a few reviews give "picture quality" as it is observerd, but them it is really important that one person compares all the desired monitors. You can not compare the "conclusion" of person A about monitor A with the "conclusion" of person B about monitor B.

Every where I read S-IPS is mentioned as the better one for photo editing, but why is the older S-PVA based HP LP2465 more expansive then? I also have read about color uniformity problems of the LP2475w...

Why the LP2465 is more expensive?, I don't know.

The LP2475w looks like a good bet, but you can probably get the Hazro 24" as well where you live if you are scared of the HP. I wouldn't be scared of the HP though, it seems like a solid monitor and I trust that they would deliver a decent panel. HP always has.

The other trouble with al these monitors is that they are mostly business line models and therefor can not be found in stores to take a look yourself. At least not in the Netherlands where I live.

Who can give me good advice which monitor to buy....?
I'm thinking about buying the monitor in the near future, sooner then the system. That way I can spread the spending a little and are able to "burn-in" the monitor before the new system is hook on. I asume that just like tv's and so the first couple of hours (about 200) the monitor will still change a bit. (Of course things like brightness and contrast will be scaled down compared to the factory default which often is max.)

It's quite a big question but I do hope you can help me...

The NEC LCD2490WUXi, HP LP2475w, or Hazro 24", whichever of these is most feasible for you, is a good choice.

Originally posted by: sometimeago
Okie i have a huge dilema.. I am looking to buy a new monitor. And am not going with an LCD one my only problem is i am buying it at Bestbuy .. i have about 400$ or so to spend on this brand new card i got about a month ago.. if anyone could help me pick one out it be awesome.. i read a bit of the thread and keep on reading but this seems still unclear to me.. i am about 3 hours away to head to best buy and buy a new monitor. and still dont have a clue on what to buy.. am looking for 19+ and something good for gaming i read that fast ms = better for gaming but as for other stuff i am kinda lost. if anyone can help me out on picking one out it be greatly appreciated.

so far
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/...FS10100848&catid=22559

is what i found pretty descent not sure if it is any good but MS is at 2 i might be completely out of the park : (

also am in canada so bestbuy.ca

(And yes, by fast ms we mean low ms.) 2 is as low as they go and usually that indicates that it uses response time acceleration.

This is a good panel though at 5 ms. http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/...FS10097961&catid=26175

Glossy, good overall package. I guess in Best Buy Canada they don't have the LG L227WTG-PF so the w2207h's the next best choice. I've seen them both side-by-side and couldn't really tell much difference.