I didn't quite understand whether you actually got the HP w2207h yet or not. If you did, keep it. It's a really nice display.
If you're still looking, then the LG L227WTG-PF may have a slight edge on image quality. That's about it, folks.
Originally posted by: FordGT
I bought a Samsung 2232BW+ from BestBuy a few days ago as my first flat panel. I used a 17" CRT for 10 years.
Mine is an AU Optronics panel, panel code: m-PE22B0CLB-1002
There is a definite blue tint to everything, orange if I set it to "Warm".
"Normal" is bluish and "Cool" is way too blue. While displaying a white background, the right side has a yellowish hue to it while the left is white.
Everything appears to be washed out as well. No gamma change helped, eiher 1 2 or 3. Light blues are almost impossible to see no matter what the brightness/contrast settings and back light bleed is pretty bad in dark scenes. Mainly towards the top and bottom on the screen with some on the sides.
My panel also seems to have bad motion blur. When I drag windows I can see really bad ghosting and stuttering almost that kind of makes me sick to my stomach a bit to watch. In movies it's not as visible but it's still there. I tried turning RTA on and off but nothing helps although RTA does seems to increase ghosting.
In the upper left corner there is another issue. The picture actually bends upward. A straight line curves upward, say like a browser window.
Even though build quality really has nothing to do with picture quality, this Samsung is built like a Happy Meal toy. Very light and very plastic. I picked up an HP w2207h that was near by(should have bought that one) and it weighed a ton. Very sturdy and very well built compared to my Samsung. I don't have any dead pixels but I don't care. This is going back to BestBuy.
Any suggestions for a replacment? I've heard really good things about HP's w2207h which looked really nice on display. What about the 22" LG's?
Originally posted by: NEVERwinter
how about ASUS VW198T? Is it as good as VW222, or .... ?
Originally posted by: Aggressor22
Okej xtknight, many thanks. Things are cleared up for me now.
Ill hang around on these forums anyway, allways have intrest in monitors
Oh and btw, im from Netherlands so think the tapwater isnt that good but not a total disaster
Originally posted by: fyleow
Are there any logical (non 30 inch) upgrade paths for the Dell 2405FPW at the moment? I bought this monitor back in 2005 and I'm looking to upgrade for a couple of reasons. While it has a nice amount of inputs it does not support HDCP so I can't use it for a PS3. I use an S-IPS HP LP2065 at work and coming home I'm starting to notice the horizontal color differences of PVA panels more. I mostly watch video and do some gaming on my computer.
1) Are the new PVA panels (i.e 2407) much better than the one in the 2405FPW that an upgrade would be justified?
2) I've heard the TN doesn't have horizontal color differences but vertical instead. Since the 24 inch is much longer than tall it seems that vertical color differences would be less noticeable. I'm not sure it's much of an "upgrade" going from an older PVA to a new TN though. Thoughts on this?
3) If I'm looking at 30 inchers are there any good ones that can serve for consoles as well? Newer consoles seem to have HDMI which can be converted to DVI but what about scaling?
4) What's the deal with the Dell 3007 and the 3008. Why is the 3008 so much more?
I'm kind of regretting not getting one of those HP LP3065s on eBay for $900 when Live Cashback was still at 25%.
Originally posted by: alanj
Originally posted by: alanj
My DoubleSight DS-305W arrived this morning, and I'm using it in the middle of a three-screen setup now.
Initial impression: It's big, bright, beautiful, love it. I don't see any obvious issues like dead/hot pixels, backlight bleed, inconsistent brightness across the panel, etc. I'm not the most discerning when it comes to color accuracy or input lag or refresh speed, so don't ask me about those.
It is the most minimal monitor I have ever seen. It has exactly two inputs - power and DVI - and exactly three buttons - power and brightness up/down. There is no on-screen menu, there is no way to adjust colors. This might be an issue for some people, but not for me.
I'm happy.
Still happy, but I will mention that when viewing from an angle, the perceived brightness varies a lot - much more than with my Dell 2405's. Doesn't seem like an issue for most desktop use.
Not specific to this monitor, but worth mentioning: Multi-LCD setups run HOT! My office has always been the warmest room in the house, with two 24" LCDs, and more sun exposure than most other rooms. With the 30" LCD added, it's verging on uncomfortably hot in here, even when the A/C has the rest of the house chilly. I may need to set up some kind of air-circulation fan to even things out.
Originally posted by: duderockin
something is off with the BenQ G2400WD measurements.
the Face to Face page has input delay listed as 3 min/ 3 max/...1.9 avg? how is an average lower than the minimum? there is some sloppy data management going on over there.
Originally posted by: ack84
Which 19"-20" 4:3 monitor?
Firstly, I'd like to thank the author for the time spent in consolidating this wealth of information, it's been a great help!
My monitor just gave way, and I have been reading reviews over at xbitlabs and I can't decide on anything in line with my needs: very basic internet & movies (I'm hardly at home nowadays even for that). I seldom play games, however, I'm the type that won't want to buy the lowest of the pecking order simply because it's cheap (I'd prefer a "jack of all trades" type of solution). At the same time, I can't bring myself to spend $600+ for a peripheral I know I won't make the most of! And before you ask, the preference for non-widescreen is more due to space restrictions than anything else.
From what I've read, I want to avoid TN panels (which seem to be the source of everything that's wrong in the LCD market!), while a VA panel will suit the specs I've mentioned. Hence, my options come down to:
HP LP1965
HP LP2065
Dell 2007FP
Appreciate any thoughts/opinions/comments.
Originally posted by: Aggressor22
Btw xtknight, ive bought a pack of bottles destilled water for just 5 euros. Have cleaned with it 2 times, and now it doesnt have any bobbles when i hold my breath to the panel. Much better, but i still the stripes from top to end if i breath to the panel, but i guess u will allways see something like that after cleaning?
EDIT:
Seems the cleaning occured 3 blue stuck pixels. I followed a guide for fixing them, i applied pressure on the screen, wrove abit, and there occured some more. After doing it again, they all dissapeared.
Well, with your knowlegde of panels, could you say something about of how long this will be? or will the stuck pixels return? Some sites claim they are gone, some say they will come back after 'several hours'. Im also wondering how i can check if i damaged something doing this. I did this cause i have nothing to loose anyway...
EDIT 2:
Have turned it off/on, stuck pixels all over the screen (some light up very brightly, esp on a black background). Gonna try to send it back to Dell.
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: FordGT
I bought a Samsung 2232BW+ from BestBuy a few days ago as my first flat panel. I used a 17" CRT for 10 years.
Mine is an AU Optronics panel, panel code: m-PE22B0CLB-1002
There is a definite blue tint to everything, orange if I set it to "Warm".
"Normal" is bluish and "Cool" is way too blue. While displaying a white background, the right side has a yellowish hue to it while the left is white.
Everything appears to be washed out as well. No gamma change helped, eiher 1 2 or 3. Light blues are almost impossible to see no matter what the brightness/contrast settings and back light bleed is pretty bad in dark scenes. Mainly towards the top and bottom on the screen with some on the sides.
My panel also seems to have bad motion blur. When I drag windows I can see really bad ghosting and stuttering almost that kind of makes me sick to my stomach a bit to watch. In movies it's not as visible but it's still there. I tried turning RTA on and off but nothing helps although RTA does seems to increase ghosting.
In the upper left corner there is another issue. The picture actually bends upward. A straight line curves upward, say like a browser window.
Even though build quality really has nothing to do with picture quality, this Samsung is built like a Happy Meal toy. Very light and very plastic. I picked up an HP w2207h that was near by(should have bought that one) and it weighed a ton. Very sturdy and very well built compared to my Samsung. I don't have any dead pixels but I don't care. This is going back to BestBuy.
Any suggestions for a replacment? I've heard really good things about HP's w2207h which looked really nice on display. What about the 22" LG's?
I didn't quite understand whether you actually got the HP w2207h yet or not. If you did, keep it. It's a really nice display.
If you're still looking, then the LG L227WTG-PF may have a slight edge on image quality. That's about it, folks.
Originally posted by: FordGT
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: FordGT
I bought a Samsung 2232BW+ from BestBuy a few days ago as my first flat panel. I used a 17" CRT for 10 years.
Mine is an AU Optronics panel, panel code: m-PE22B0CLB-1002
There is a definite blue tint to everything, orange if I set it to "Warm".
"Normal" is bluish and "Cool" is way too blue. While displaying a white background, the right side has a yellowish hue to it while the left is white.
Everything appears to be washed out as well. No gamma change helped, eiher 1 2 or 3. Light blues are almost impossible to see no matter what the brightness/contrast settings and back light bleed is pretty bad in dark scenes. Mainly towards the top and bottom on the screen with some on the sides.
My panel also seems to have bad motion blur. When I drag windows I can see really bad ghosting and stuttering almost that kind of makes me sick to my stomach a bit to watch. In movies it's not as visible but it's still there. I tried turning RTA on and off but nothing helps although RTA does seems to increase ghosting.
In the upper left corner there is another issue. The picture actually bends upward. A straight line curves upward, say like a browser window.
Even though build quality really has nothing to do with picture quality, this Samsung is built like a Happy Meal toy. Very light and very plastic. I picked up an HP w2207h that was near by(should have bought that one) and it weighed a ton. Very sturdy and very well built compared to my Samsung. I don't have any dead pixels but I don't care. This is going back to BestBuy.
Any suggestions for a replacment? I've heard really good things about HP's w2207h which looked really nice on display. What about the 22" LG's?
I didn't quite understand whether you actually got the HP w2207h yet or not. If you did, keep it. It's a really nice display.
If you're still looking, then the LG L227WTG-PF may have a slight edge on image quality. That's about it, folks.
Sorry about that, I only have the 2232BW+ right now but liked what I saw when looking at the w2207h in Best Buy. It was also built better than any other monitor there. The colors seemed to resemble that of my CRT and made everything else look washed out, including the 2232BW+ on display.
I've looked very closely at the LG's, the L2252 and L227 and both seem great on paper but reviewers seem to not like them. Owners seem to be very happy with them though. Go figure.
The w2207h in some reviews was criticized for having colors that were too vibrant. Even if they are surely you must be able to fix the issue with a little calibration.
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: ack84
Which 19"-20" 4:3 monitor?
Firstly, I'd like to thank the author for the time spent in consolidating this wealth of information, it's been a great help!
My monitor just gave way, and I have been reading reviews over at xbitlabs and I can't decide on anything in line with my needs: very basic internet & movies (I'm hardly at home nowadays even for that). I seldom play games, however, I'm the type that won't want to buy the lowest of the pecking order simply because it's cheap (I'd prefer a "jack of all trades" type of solution). At the same time, I can't bring myself to spend $600+ for a peripheral I know I won't make the most of! And before you ask, the preference for non-widescreen is more due to space restrictions than anything else.
From what I've read, I want to avoid TN panels (which seem to be the source of everything that's wrong in the LCD market!), while a VA panel will suit the specs I've mentioned. Hence, my options come down to:
HP LP1965
HP LP2065
Dell 2007FP
Appreciate any thoughts/opinions/comments.
I just had the fortune of using a lab with a dual-2007FP setup and it was absolutely great. So, you can go either for that or the HP LP2065. They should be basically the same thing. I might like the controls on the Dells better, it's hard to say, but the HP is cheaper and you might be more likely to get an S-IPS panel with that one. (The AMVA is not at all bad, either.) TN above 19" gets flaky, although works out alright at 22" widescreen, not much else due to vertical angle problems.
Originally posted by: alanj
Originally posted by: alanj
My DoubleSight DS-305W arrived this morning, and I'm using it in the middle of a three-screen setup now.
Initial impression: It's big, bright, beautiful, love it. I don't see any obvious issues like dead/hot pixels, backlight bleed, inconsistent brightness across the panel, etc. I'm not the most discerning when it comes to color accuracy or input lag or refresh speed, so don't ask me about those.
It is the most minimal monitor I have ever seen. It has exactly two inputs - power and DVI - and exactly three buttons - power and brightness up/down. There is no on-screen menu, there is no way to adjust colors. This might be an issue for some people, but not for me.
I'm happy.
Still happy, but I will mention that when viewing from an angle, the perceived brightness varies a lot - much more than with my Dell 2405's. Doesn't seem like an issue for most desktop use.
Originally posted by: alanj
The colors, in particular red, seem a little oversaturated - if there were an on-screen menu, I'd turn them down, but there isn't. I should be able to adjust this in the video card settings, so sometime when I either care enough or am bored enough, I might poke at it.
On maybe five occasions in the last two weeks, the image has suddenly flickered for a split second. I'm really hoping that this doesn't get worse, or if it does, that it's a problem with the video card and not the monitor.
Originally posted by: gevorg
Just when I decided to go with Dell 2408WFP, HP announces an affordable S-IPS monitor, the LP2475W. I know we cannot compare the Dell to HP yet, but just to get an idea, how does 2408WFP compares to any of the S-IPS NECs in terms of: video playback quality, no blurriness in fast motion and overall "wow factor". Or in other words, does IPS technology is better than PVA for video/movie playback?
xtknight, once again your input will be highly appreciated. thank you!
Originally posted by: FordGT
Sorry about that, I only have the 2232BW+ right now but liked what I saw when looking at the w2207h in Best Buy. It was also built better than any other monitor there. The colors seemed to resemble that of my CRT and made everything else look washed out, including the 2232BW+ on display.
I've looked very closely at the LG's, the L2252 and L227 and both seem great on paper but reviewers seem to not like them. Owners seem to be very happy with them though. Go figure.
The w2207h in some reviews was criticized for having colors that were too vibrant. Even if they are surely you must be able to fix the issue with a little calibration.
Originally posted by: Thatsnasty
I'm not sure if its been posted, but I didn't exactly want to read through 250 pages. Was the samsung 25.5/26 inch monitor reviewed or commented on? I found two, the model numbers are SAMSUNG 2693HM and SAMSUNG ToC T260. I would really rather grab a 26" over a 24", but there seems to be no cost effective product out there in that range. The doublesight ones are impossible to get a hold of.
Originally posted by: Rummager
Before I get to my post, just an update about Doublesight. They are going through a replacement phase atm in regards to a few monitor types having their faulty stands changed. Most monitors being changed with a number and letter such as 3 to 5 and N to W... are as far as i know the same exact specs internally. But due to this change, stock will be low to none until they ship out these new types (my main point of interest was the DS-263N being changed to DS-265W - 26" LG-IPS).
Anyways, back to my original reason for posting below...
I'm curious about getting a decent gaming monitor but having am AGP based system thats reached a peak of what can be upgraded is a bit frustrating.
I would love for some input, links or guidance about limitations of LCD's in regards to video cards? I would be perfectly happy going for the recommended 22" gaming LCD that is listed as number one. But being in Canada, this is impossible.
Other recomendations listed go from 24" - 25.5" but I would hate to be bottle necked by something as basic as my graphic card. Im currently sporting a Nvidia Geforce 7800 GS (AGP) and an even older but still running stable, OC'ed CPU at or around 2.2ghz.
Have their been any experienced horror stories close to the card I'm using and either of the other 4 listed/recommended gaming monitors from page 1?
Also if so, and said I should stay away from higher then 22", what would be the next closest gaming monitor to gun for in comparison to the LG L227WT.
Please keep in mind, my recent relocation to Canada may have my selection even limited further.. so if you have done the research and know if said monitor is not available where I reside, to just exclude it.
Thanks to those that are more in touch with these forums and what has maybe already been asked before, and can guide me to anything that may be useful!
Originally posted by: duderockin
is there any other person that can confirm the speed of the planar besides 1 guy on the Hardforum?
Originally posted by: ninethirty
So, i browse the Recommendations list every few months to see what's new, and it looks like I may need it now. My Soyo 24" just decided to give everything a glaring pink hue, and all the red pixels are glittering/sparkling, which makes it really pleasant to try to read text. I had gotten a similar effect when the DVI cable came partially unplugged, but this time even switching out the cable hasn't helped. The laptop works fine with other monitors, so I've isolated the problem to the Soyo. On the bright side, I thought of slapping some Hello Kitty stickers on the monitor and selling it on eBay; I could call the sparkling pink artifacts a special feature.
So, assuming that the monitor has a terminal illness, I'm shopping for a new one. It's used almost 100% for office work (lots and lots of text -- stationary text, scrolling screens of text, colored text, text in every form). I imagine there are people here with similar requirements, right? Browsing the Office Work list, the Planar PX2611W, Benq G2400WD, and Dell 2707WFP stick out as being < $1000 and at least 24". But then, is the DS-265W still supposed to come out "soon"?
And the Dell 2707 is being replaced with the 2709 -- looks similar, but with more connection options? I'm not sure how I feel about the larger dot pitch on the 27" monitor; I wish I could find somewhere where I could look at text on the screen of a monitor that size, instead of the photographic screensaver they have at Best Buy.
So, does anyone have thoughts on waiting for the DS-265W, and how much difference it might make in my situation? Or other things I ought to be looking at?
(You're welcome to try to talk me into a 30", as well... my Macbook Pro should be able to drive it, but I haven't rationalized that extra expense yet.)
Originally posted by: ack84
Appreciate your $0.02, xtknight. I don't s'pose you're familiar at all with the different revisions of the LP2065? I've noticed both EF227A8 and EF227A4 available, both seem to have the same specs, however the former appears cheaper. Any indication of the panel type?
Originally posted by: soulicro
Hi everyone.
I currently own a Sceptre X22WG- Gamer monitor, and am looking to either add on or replace this monitor with a new one.
Currently that one that catches my eye is the LG W2284F, and I was wondering if any of you can let me know what you think?
Thanks!
Originally posted by: xtknight
You can find info from 10e about the 2493HM and 2693HM if you use search. About the T260 I'm not sure, but given what Samsung has been putting out lately (all style, little substance) it probably isn't tops. They have been including a lot of panels from foreign manufacturers and not tuning them well.
That doesn't mean you'd dislike it and I have no alternative suggestion other than the more expensive IPS 26" panels. So, you could try the T260, but only if you have the ability to return it. I just don't think you'd like a TN at that size. You may regret not going for a smaller IPS/VA panel like an HP LP2065 or Dell 2007FP, which frankly I would rather have any day.
Give it a few weeks and the DoubleSight will be more available. Or, there is the Planar PX2611W.