[Retired] The LCD Thread

[TMoney468]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: ChargerBolts

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
[*]Are there two different models of the LP2475w? CDW has one for $759.99 and another one for $629.99 and they appear identical...
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Thanks!

Does anyone know if there are two panels used in this monitor? I just sent an email to HP regarding the two manufacturers part numbers listed on CDW's website. When I did a search on HP's website I only found one of the two (the KD911A8 part # and not the KD911A4 one).

I am pretty sure they are the same IPS panel. I highly doubt they will going the lottery route with this LCD.

On the hardforums thread about this monitor, someone got in contact with HP and they said they were the same monitor, just different pricing for different customers. I think it was something about the cheaper price was an online price, whereas the other was for a phone or store price.

 

[Trippytiger]

Hey all!

Are there any other HP LP2275w owners out there? I've had mine for about a week now, and although I'm very impressed with it for the most part, it has a little issue that's getting kind of problematic. If the monitor goes to sleep or is turned off for a longer period of time (more than a couple of hours, I think), it tends to come back on with a bunch of flickering horizontal lines across the screen. They tend to go away when the monitor is turned off and on again, but it's pretty annoying and seems to be happening more often now. A couple of the reviews currently up on Newegg mention this problem too.

So has anyone else encountered this, or have any theories as to why this might be happening?

 

[thestain]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824185010

xtknight, what do you think of this monitor? Is it as good as the other 26 inch one from doublesight that was previously ranked highly here?

 

[Chriz]

Originally posted by: Trippytiger
Hey all!

Are there any other HP LP2275w owners out there? I've had mine for about a week now, and although I'm very impressed with it for the most part, it has a little issue that's getting kind of problematic. If the monitor goes to sleep or is turned off for a longer period of time (more than a couple of hours, I think), it tends to come back on with a bunch of flickering horizontal lines across the screen. They tend to go away when the monitor is turned off and on again, but it's pretty annoying and seems to be happening more often now. A couple of the reviews currently up on Newegg mention this problem too.

So has anyone else encountered this, or have any theories as to why this might be happening?

I don't own one yet, but was thinking about it. If you go to the Newegg reviews of this monitor someone posted there with the same problem you are having:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824176098

 

[matas]

Today I started searching for a 20 or 22 inch monitor. First of all, a 20" monitor is a great step up from my current small 17" monitor. I also looked for 22 inch monitors in store and they looked huge. What is the minimum viewing distance for a 22 inch monitor? I have a about of +-2 feet between my eyes and the desktop screen. Some 22" monitors are little bit to high, because they would not fit into my computer desk(only 16.5" clearance). I found some good sales on some monitors but not sure if they're good for gaming:
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I just remembered that I can qualify for some Samsung monitors from ebay with 30% discount so that might be another option.

 

[asleepy]

After much searching, this looks to be the resource I've been looking for.

I'm a commodities trader in need of an upgrade. I'm planning on buying an additional Dell workstation to reduce the load on my current setup(Dell WS380/2001FP x 2.)

I'd like to buy 2 displays, the bigger the better up to 30", to handle my work. In fast markets the demands on my system/screens should be the equivalent of max gaming without the 3-D I think, and I'm trying to speed things up at each critical point.

My main requirements in order of importance:

1. a)Fastest response to image input -- time between output from PC to image rendered viewable. I need to see the next change in market data asap.
b)Fastest response to my inputs, which is mouse(Razer) rolling & clicking. I need to be able to submit orders asap.

2. Size: Bigger is better, as long as size doesn't materially affect item #1 above. It's easier to have more info on a bigger screen than 8 screens that have a huge footprint and cause me to scan more left/right.

3. Reliability --- speaks for itself.

That's it. Color, outside inputs, movies, etc. aren't part of the equation here....just business. Cost is less a concern as it is a business expense.


I'm finding I need more "open" screen space in front of me than I have with the 2-20s. I could go up as high as 2-30" displays side by side in front of me with the other two displaying less critical info above or to the side.

And one last question: in your experience, are there any suitable (read: fast enough) 40" to 46" displays that I could place farther away from me? I'm assuming they'd run at lower resolution? I'd put less critical charts & price matrices on it, but it would still be updated tick-by-tick.

Thanks for your help.

 

[HorseFace]

Didn't know the market was like a first person shooter.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I'm gonna ask a very direct and straight forward question here and avoid all the technical stuff. What is the best gaming monitor in the 22"-24" size range? If you were to buy a monitor today which 22" and which 24" would you buy?

Don't need technical stuff, just want the best model in this range for a gamer. To replace old 19"

 

[Tullphan]

I went to Best Buy the other night as i'm going to be purchasing a flat panel monitor within the next couple of weeks.
I thought I had my heart set on a Samsung, but after comparing some LG's to the Samsungs, I must admit the LG W1952TQ-TF had the best picture of all.
Granted, it is a 19", but I game very little & it's definitely an upgrade from my 75# CRT & the non-widescreen 19" i'm using now.
Anyone know about this particular model?
Thanks.

 

[asleepy]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
I'm gonna ask a very direct and straight forward question here and avoid all the technical stuff. What is the best gaming monitor in the 22"-24" size range?...

From page 1, updated last on 9/28:

HARDCORE GAMING (CRT-like response)

---Low response time

---Low input lag (min <= 1 frame, avg <= 1 frame, max <= 2 frames)

---High brightness


22": LG L227WT, 1680x1050 (16:10)
Panel: TN (LPL LM220WE3); 6-bit+Hi-FRC, 16.7M colors

Image Delay (rt+lag): 0 - 0 - 0

Specifications: LG L227WT

HDCP Compliant: Yes

More Info: prad.de

Notes: US model is L227WTG-PF (glossy). Excellent gaming monitor (zero input lag). Vibrant colors.

Price: ~$290 USD



25.5": Planar PX2611W, 1920x1200 (16:10)
Panel: WG H-IPS (LG.Philips LM260WU1); true 8-bit, 16.7M colors

Image Delay (rt+lag): 16 ms (~1 frame) (thank you ToastyX of HardForum)

Specifications: Planar PX2611W

HDCP Compliant: Yes

Notes: Fast, little input lag. Same panel as the LCD2690WUXi without the extra viewing angle compensation film (see NEC entry for more details). Poor variety of inputs for multimedia.

Price: ~$900 USD



24": BenQ V2400W, 1920x1200 (16:10)
Panel: TN (Unknown Part Number); 6-bit+Hi-FRC, 16.7M colors

Image Delay (rt+lag): 0 - 15 - 33 or 0 - 8 - 20

Specifications: BenQ V2400W

HDCP Compliant: Yes

More Info: prad.de

Notes: Better overall than Samsung 245BW, cheaper. Minor differences vs. G2400WD described here: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1032779655

Price: ~$400 USD



24": Samsung SyncMaster 245BW, 1920x1200 (16:10)
Panel: TN (Samsung LTM240CT); 6-bit+Hi-FRC, 16.7M colors

Image Delay (rt+lag): 0 - 7.5 - 10

Specifications: Samsung SyncMaster 245BW

HDCP Compliant: Yes

More Info: prad.de

Notes: Tight gamma curve, value photo editing LCD. Very good overall image quality for a TN, better than FHD2400. Good low lag LCD for gaming. 24" TN does mean lower viewing angles.

Price: ~$400 USD (AR)



24": Gateway FHD2400, 1920x1200 (16:10)
Panel: Glossy WG TN (Unknown Part Number); 6-bit+Hi-FRC, 16.7M colors

Image Delay (rt+lag, estimated): Low (10 ms)

Specifications: Gateway FHD2400

HDCP Compliant: Yes

Notes: Detail in dark scenes is not great. Lower viewing angle. Vibrant glossy/wide gamut screen and low lag due to TN panel. Great selection of multimedia inputs.

Price: ~$480 USD

 

[ZX81]

I'm looking at this myself, and I have some comments based on the research I've done
*I trade as a hobby so have a budget

I'm going to get the 24" HP IPS, 2 at first, then eventually 4 off if I find it necessary

Rather than fast response, come at it form a different angle, as most of the screens you'll be considering up to 30" would not have bad lag: that is lag bad enough for you to not be able to see changing realtime data. I'm not even sure if this would be a valid issue with larger screens, as I doubt the data provider would be fast enough for you to be able to see numbers blurring

I know a few people with 30" Dells and they like them.

The 24"/26" models have a slightly lower resolution, but are much cheaper and seem (to me) to have reviewed better image quality
You can almost get 2 x 24/26 for the price of 1x 30"

*You need to ensure that the graphics cards can drive 30" panels, there is a good thread on this on the elite trader site I included below

Best panels I've read about about here and on hard forum are from NEC and HP. The 26" double sight had a thick bezel which would be annoying (to me) with a multimonitor setup

Here's some links for you:

Hard forum (great current reviews/discussions): http://www.hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=78
Elite trader: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/...mdisplay.php?forumid=4
Multimonitor, stands etc: http://www.realtimesoft.com/multimon/products.asp

*Be nice to have your budget

After much searching, this looks to be the resource I've been looking for. I'm a commodities trader in need of an upgrade. I'm planning on buying an additional Dell workstation to reduce the load on my current setup(Dell WS380/2001FP x 2.) I'd like to buy 2 displays, the bigger the better up to 30", to handle my work. In fast markets the demands on my system/screens should be the equivalent of max gaming without the 3-D I think, and I'm trying to speed things up at each critical point. My main requirements in order of importance: 1. a)Fastest response to image input -- time between output from PC to image rendered viewable. I need to see the next change in market data asap. b)Fastest response to my inputs, which is mouse(Razer) rolling & clicking. I need to be able to submit orders asap. 2. Size: Bigger is better, as long as size doesn't materially affect item #1 above. It's easier to have more info on a bigger screen than 8 screens that have a huge footprint and cause me to scan more left/right. 3. Reliability --- speaks for itself. That's it. Color, outside inputs, movies, etc. aren't part of the equation here....just business. Cost is less a concern as it is a business expense. I'm finding I need more "open" screen space in front of me than I have with the 2-20s. I could go up as high as 2-30" displays side by side in front of me with the other two displaying less critical info above or to the side. And one last question: in your experience, are there any suitable (read: fast enough) 40" to 46" displays that I could place farther away from me? I'm assuming they'd run at lower resolution? I'd put less critical charts & price matrices on it, but it would still be updated tick-by-tick. Thanks for your help. Edited: 10/04/2008 at 04:42 PM by asleepy

 

[shiznit]

Originally posted by: thestain
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824185010

xtknight, what do you think of this monitor? Is it as good as the other 26 inch one from doublesight that was previously ranked highly here?

That new one does NOT have 1:1, stay away if you want to use 1080p signal. The people in that thread seem to prefer the old one.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1319356

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: ChargerBolts

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
[*]Are there two different models of the LP2475w? CDW has one for $759.99 and another one for $629.99 and they appear identical...
[/list]
Thanks!

Does anyone know if there are two panels used in this monitor? I just sent an email to HP regarding the two manufacturers part numbers listed on CDW's website. When I did a search on HP's website I only found one of the two (the KD911A8 part # and not the KD911A4 one).

HP is doing the same $100 price difference between the KD911A8 and the Kd911A4 as well:

$750 KD911A4:
http://h71016.www7.hp.com/dsto...9CED&BEID=19701&SBLID=

$650 KD911A8:
http://h71016.www7.hp.com/dsto...9CED&BEID=19701&SBLID=

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: theslug
After many hours searching for a decent LCD I'm coming up empty-handed. I intend to use it for gaming and general Windows/Office/web surfing. I only need DVI, don't care about other inputs. It won't be used for movies or photo editing, though I want something with good black levels, and would prefer non-wide gamut.

So I'm looking for something along these lines:

- 22" or 24"
- Minimal input lag
- Preferably glossy, so as to improve black levels when using with a PC (or at least something that has deep blacks)
- 1:1 so that older games will maintain the correct aspect ratio and show pillarboxed (while filling the screen vertically)
- Not wide gamut

I want to make sure that blacks appear a shade of black, not with blue or purple cast.

I was looking at the LG L227WT, because it has zero input lag and good black levels, but it's wide gamut so I'm afraid colors will be off in non-color aware programs. Same with a number of other 22-26" screens.

I was considering the BenQ V2400W, except I don't know how well it does blacks with a PC over DVI. The asymmetry doesn't really bother me, but I can't really get over the way the buttons look on the left side.

Any other monitors anyone could suggest?

The L227WT is a good choice. In my experience, it is not quite as aggressively wide gamut as my LCD2690. That's just subjective though.

I use a profile for my web browser and for everything else that I do, it doesn't matter. It's fine for games, movies, etc...not a significant difference unless you want to always compare monitors side by side.

The black levels are great (the glossy coating contributes to this).

Unfortunately, the L227WT lacks 1:1 but a lot of the time your video card can provide this (unless you're hooking up the monitor to consoles). What you wanted actually sounds like aspect scaling, not centered mode (1:1).

If you need I can verify the scaling capabilities of the L227 itself.

The V2400W's blacks will be about the same as the L227's, less the glossy coating that improves contrast.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: bimmerboy
Samsung - 22" Widescreen Flat-Panel LCD Monitor with Built-In Speakers
Model: 220WM | SKU: 8580831

is this monitor any good? i do a bit of gaming and can get it for a decent price

Most likely it's OK. I don't know specifically though as I've never used it. Most 22" TNs like that will be fine for gaming, but recent Samsungs tend to have a blue tint on the screen.

Originally posted by: Vaktathi
So I'm looking at snagging either the LG L227WT or the BenQ V2400W currently. While the BenQ is larger, its also more expensive, and I'm partial to glossy monitors like the L227. My big question is what is the image quality and color like between these two? Is one better than the other? Are they both pretty much the same? Other than size, which one is preferred more?

Currently I've got an NEC Multisync 90gx2 that I absolutely love, its amazing in color an response time, but I'd like to find something a bit bigger, albeit something similar in look and feel.

-thanks!

[copied from pm]

They are both very high quality LCDs. The LG has a glossy coating and wide gamut, so it may be better image quality-wise. Plus it's easier for the video card to drive. The BenQ is still a great choice for anyone looking for a 24" though.

The LG is a great upgrade from the 90GX2.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: shiznit
Thanks xnight, I looked into the FP241WZ and it appears that the BFI implementation has major issues. Looks like I'm stuck waiting for OLED or FED, the coming Viewsonic BFI is only a 22" 1680x1050 so I'll pass. The hardforum thread is where I found out about the new BenQ, if you look I already posted but thanks for lookin out. I'm compelled to try one of the new 32'' LCD TVs with BFI, any info on which ones are good or where to start? Most LCD reviews are worthless, I haven't see one yet that tested LCD TV input lag compared to a CRT.

I agree most reviews are worthless (except X-Bit Labs or Tom's Hardware).

I don't think ViewSonic's BFI will be any different, but there are different methods of attaining 120 Hz, 180 Hz, or even 240 Hz. Samsung has had some LCDs using MPA (Motion Picture Acceleration) which used intercalation to generate an intermediary frame to smooth out motion. Some blanking is done in a diagonal pattern rather than a row-by-row basis, reducing flickering effects. I think at the moment BenQ is using the least favorable implementation.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: stevehof
LaCie 324 or NEC 2490WUXi LCD - 24? LCD?s

I?ve narrowed my choices down to one of these LCD monitors to replace my recently deceased NEC CRT monitor. Both are available with hardware/software calibration solutions. I am using Photoshop CS3 and printing on an Epson 4000.

The only notable difference between these two monitors that I could find is the LaCie has DCDI video technology. I want to play with HD video (one of the new HD handycams) in the near future and I can?t tell from the specs if the NEC monitor will be adequate for 1080p playback. Plus, the NEC is nearly impossible to find anywhere right now.

Is the new LaCie 324 generally well regarded in terms of overall image quality for photo editing? Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. My budget is up to $1500 USD.

One big difference is that the LaCie is 324, while the 2490 is H-IPS. That makes me highly prefer the 2490 as it will not have the color shifting problems of S-PVA panels.

Unfortunately, the 2490/2690 don't do well with 1080i (it doesn't really work) but it is fine with 1080p and the scaler is perfectly configurable. It simply doesn't support deinterlacing.

I say go for the 2490 and SpectraView package without regret.

Originally posted by: BattleRattle
Keep up the good work xtknight.....

Where in the heck is the LG Flatron W2600HP on sale at? This monitor looks really really compelling... Fast gamer with SIPS... Prad had good things to say.

I'm damn happy with my 275t but looking for a second monitor. One for superb gaming and large.

In North America the W2600HP is TN I believe. Either that, or it's not even going to show up here.

The Planar PX2611W or HP LP2475W may satisfy your desires.

Originally posted by: ther00kie16
Samsung Touch of Color HD line has built-in hdtv tuner and goes up to 26". However, they are TN panels. On Tigerdirect, the video review with the different models lined up in an angle looked terrible compared to the one that was straight on. So my question is if anyone knows another LCD monitor/HDTV that's at least 24" and preferably has a VA or IPS panel?

The Sony Bravia series are pretty good LCD TVs, and some use VA panels. I love my Sony Bravia 26".

Quite a few above 26" use VA/IPS panels. TNs are prominent only in 26" and lower, and some 28" panels.

Originally posted by: Ayim
I'm trying to make a final decision here, should I get the Samsung 2443BW, or the BenQ V2400W? I don't need 1:1. 2243 has better dynamics and stuff, you really can't adjust the v2400w stand, but what monitor is better overall in image quality / input lag?

Edit// Oh man, I'm so confused. I just saw this:
http://www.digitalversus.com/d...8&mo2=304&p2=2943&ph=1

the image on the V2400W looks so dark, and none lifelike compared to the old G2400w.. Is this accurately what it looks like? ><;

I'm not sure what pic you were looking at. Sometimes that site links wrong.

This is a ghosting test, so they didn't pay attention to how they set the brightness.

Or if you were looking at the "viewing angle" pics, then don't mind it. From the bottom a TN will look terrible whether it be overly bright or overly dark.

I'd vastly prefer the V2400W for image quality.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Blackfirevatsal
Bro i have recently heard about Benq E2200HD, is it a good monitor for playing games & watching movies?

Sorry, it looks good but I don't have any solid info on it.

Originally posted by: Trippytiger
Hey all!

Are there any other HP LP2275w owners out there? I've had mine for about a week now, and although I'm very impressed with it for the most part, it has a little issue that's getting kind of problematic. If the monitor goes to sleep or is turned off for a longer period of time (more than a couple of hours, I think), it tends to come back on with a bunch of flickering horizontal lines across the screen. They tend to go away when the monitor is turned off and on again, but it's pretty annoying and seems to be happening more often now. A couple of the reviews currently up on Newegg mention this problem too.

So has anyone else encountered this, or have any theories as to why this might be happening?

No clue, but very likely a manufacturing defect (the monitor's problem).

Originally posted by: thestain
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824185010

xtknight, what do you think of this monitor? Is it as good as the other 26 inch one from doublesight that was previously ranked highly here?

I didn't see that many reviews when I looked for them, so I'm not sure and am not recommending it quite yet. It's likely I will recommend it with notes about any shortcomings it might have (shiznit mentioned lack of 1:1 and poor 1080p support).

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: matas
Today I started searching for a 20 or 22 inch monitor. First of all, a 20" monitor is a great step up from my current small 17" monitor. I also looked for 22 inch monitors in store and they looked huge. What is the minimum viewing distance for a 22 inch monitor? I have a about of +-2 feet between my eyes and the desktop screen. Some 22" monitors are little bit to high, because they would not fit into my computer desk(only 16.5" clearance). I found some good sales on some monitors but not sure if they're good for gaming:
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I just remembered that I can qualify for some Samsung monitors from ebay with 30% discount so that might be another option.

I'd say a foot and a half viewing distance or more is fine for a 22".

All those LCDs look fine except I usually avoid Hanns G (not great brand).

If you can, I highly recommend the L227WTG-PF. http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd...tion=All&go.x=0&go.y=0

It's $260 after I 'add to cart'. You're basically paying an extra $50 or so to ensure you get an LCD that doesn't have a host of problems like bluish tint, poor response control, or poor design. Sometimes $50 goes a long way. I'm pretty picky about what I purchase and I only buy the best.

 

[Tullphan]

Well, I ended up getting the LG W2252TQ-TF.
It was on sale for $239.99 & it had a decent picture. I compared it to all the other 22" models they had & for the money, this seemed to have the better display.
I had the Geek Squad hook it up & check for dead pixels before I left since it's a 2 hour round trip for me.
I guess i'll find out if it looks as good here as it did there when I hook it up.

 

[LarryBari]

Hi, xtknight and others.
This forum is very interesting and thanks to xtknight for supplying information regarding this ever confusing product, the lcd screen.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I am looking for a high viewing angle 22 to 24 inch lcd monitor for my home theater pc setup (hence high viewing angles). I am not interested in gaming on this pc, so lag is not an issue for me. I wondered what the options were out there for these prerequisites, i.e. VA panels or even higher level screens. Color accuracy is not really an issue as it will simply be for tv/movies.
Cheers, L

 

[Blackfirevatsal]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Blackfirevatsal
Bro i have recently heard about Benq E2200HD, is it a good monitor for playing games & watching movies?

Sorry, it looks good but I don't have any solid info on it.

oh i search about it on the net but coudn't find any review, So i thought that you may have some information about it?

So bro when will sites like anandtech & Xbits will review E2200HD? if you can give me some idea like 15 days, 30 days, 50 days, or more than that?

& when will you can give your view on the monitor?

 

[theslug]

Originally posted by: xtknight

The L227WT is a good choice. In my experience, it is not quite as aggressively wide gamut as my LCD2690. That's just subjective though.

I use a profile for my web browser and for everything else that I do, it doesn't matter. It's fine for games, movies, etc...not a significant difference unless you want to always compare monitors side by side.

The black levels are great (the glossy coating contributes to this).

Unfortunately, the L227WT lacks 1:1 but a lot of the time your video card can provide this (unless you're hooking up the monitor to consoles). What you wanted actually sounds like aspect scaling, not centered mode (1:1).

If you need I can verify the scaling capabilities of the L227 itself.

The V2400W's blacks will be about the same as the L227's, less the glossy coating that improves contrast.

Thanks for the response, xtknight. You were right in that what I need is proper aspect scaling, not 1:1. I'm actually leaning towards the HP 2207 (provided I can get a samsung panel since it's a lottery model), and it seems pretty close to the L227 while being standard gamut.

 

[thestain]

Thanks xtknight and shiznit!

I won't buy my next monitor unless it can do 1080P and 1:1. That is bad news that the new doubleview 26 inch does not do 1080P and 1:1 well. Thanks for the warning.

Mike

 

[Tullphan]

Where's the cheapest place to get cables & what kind to I need? The monitor stated DVI-D w/HDCP & my 4850 has 2 DVI & it comes w/a DVI-HDMI adapter it that helps.