[Retired] The LCD Thread

[Schadenfroh]

Where's the cheapest place to get cables

monoprice.com

 

[GrimWarrior]

I just wanted to thank Ninethirty and XtKnight for the replies to my long ass post. I still haven't made a decision, but it's caused me to think a bit. Thanks.

 

[Tullphan]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Where's the cheapest place to get cables

monoprice.com

Thank you!

 

[shiznit]

Originally posted by: Tullphan
Where's the cheapest place to get cables & what kind to I need? The monitor stated DVI-D w/HDCP & my 4850 has 2 DVI & it comes w/a DVI-HDMI adapter it that helps.

blue jeans cable, their badass stance toward Monster is reason enough for me to buy there.

 

[Trippytiger]

Originally posted by: xtknight
No clue, but very likely a manufacturing defect (the monitor's problem).

I've been trading emails with HP's tech support, and that's their conclusion too. They want to replace the panel. I was hoping that there would be a solution that didn't involve me giving the monitor up.

It seems like HP has some bugs to iron out of this monitor still. It really doesn't pay to be an early adopter!

 

[smithkt]

xtknight, I just received my 2690wuxi SV and the first thing I noticed is that it is extremely bright out of the box. I've already lowered the brightness down to 30%, leaving the contrast at 50%. Before I calibrate the thing, I was wondering if you might share the settings you are using. If you have any wisdom to pass along regarding the calibration, I would love to hear it as well.

Thanks for keeping this thread going, it's an amazing resource for the rest of us...

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: asleepy
After much searching, this looks to be the resource I've been looking for.

I'm a commodities trader in need of an upgrade. I'm planning on buying an additional Dell workstation to reduce the load on my current setup(Dell WS380/2001FP x 2.)

I'd like to buy 2 displays, the bigger the better up to 30", to handle my work. In fast markets the demands on my system/screens should be the equivalent of max gaming without the 3-D I think, and I'm trying to speed things up at each critical point.

My main requirements in order of importance:

1. a)Fastest response to image input -- time between output from PC to image rendered viewable. I need to see the next change in market data asap.
b)Fastest response to my inputs, which is mouse(Razer) rolling & clicking. I need to be able to submit orders asap.

2. Size: Bigger is better, as long as size doesn't materially affect item #1 above. It's easier to have more info on a bigger screen than 8 screens that have a huge footprint and cause me to scan more left/right.

3. Reliability --- speaks for itself.

That's it. Color, outside inputs, movies, etc. aren't part of the equation here....just business. Cost is less a concern as it is a business expense.


I'm finding I need more "open" screen space in front of me than I have with the 2-20s. I could go up as high as 2-30" displays side by side in front of me with the other two displaying less critical info above or to the side.

And one last question: in your experience, are there any suitable (read: fast enough) 40" to 46" displays that I could place farther away from me? I'm assuming they'd run at lower resolution? I'd put less critical charts & price matrices on it, but it would still be updated tick-by-tick.

Thanks for your help.

NEC has some public displays that are around 40" and higher but they are quite expensive.

Some 1080p LCD TVs might suffice.

I recommend 2 Planar PX2611Ws or 2 Dell 3007WFP-HCs. The Planars would feel faster because they have a bigger dot pitch and would respond faster to input. The Dells will show more information per area, and are bigger.

Originally posted by: Tullphan
I went to Best Buy the other night as i'm going to be purchasing a flat panel monitor within the next couple of weeks.
I thought I had my heart set on a Samsung, but after comparing some LG's to the Samsungs, I must admit the LG W1952TQ-TF had the best picture of all.
Granted, it is a 19", but I game very little & it's definitely an upgrade from my 75# CRT & the non-widescreen 19" i'm using now.
Anyone know about this particular model?
Thanks.

I don't know about this model, sorry. I highly recommend getting a 22" because they are roughly the same price as many 19"s now.

I see you got a 22" anyway. Good choice.

Originally posted by: LarryBari
Hi, xtknight and others.
This forum is very interesting and thanks to xtknight for supplying information regarding this ever confusing product, the lcd screen.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I am looking for a high viewing angle 22 to 24 inch lcd monitor for my home theater pc setup (hence high viewing angles). I am not interested in gaming on this pc, so lag is not an issue for me. I wondered what the options were out there for these prerequisites, i.e. VA panels or even higher level screens. Color accuracy is not really an issue as it will simply be for tv/movies.
Cheers, L

The HP LP2475w IPS should be a great choice. If you can't pay that much, consider the cheaper HP LP2465 VA. VAs show a brighter picture at wide angles, but IPS panels reduce color shifting and have better black quality from an angle. I still recommend IPS panels (as long as they are bright enough) over VA panels for TV.

Personally I think color accuracy (well, technically, gamma accuracy) is important for movies. Both of these monitors track closely to gamma and aren't badly adjusted by default. You will be impressed.

Both HPs have scaling options.

Originally posted by: Blackfirevatsal
oh i search about it on the net but coudn't find any review, So i thought that you may have some information about it?

Unfortunately, no. I'm an independent entity that just collates information from the web.

So bro when will sites like anandtech & Xbits will review E2200HD? if you can give me some idea like 15 days, 30 days, 50 days, or more than that?

I am not sure, I am not affiliated with AnandTech or X-Bit Labs. You can probably expect a couple reviews of this panel within 3 months.

& when will you can give your view on the monitor?

If I buy it I can review it, but I don't think I will be buying this screen. The L227WTG-PF is the star 22" in my mind and it's unlikely the E2200HD will surpass it. In addition, I already own the L227. Sorry I can't help you further.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: theslug

Originally posted by: xtknight

The L227WT is a good choice. In my experience, it is not quite as aggressively wide gamut as my LCD2690. That's just subjective though.

I use a profile for my web browser and for everything else that I do, it doesn't matter. It's fine for games, movies, etc...not a significant difference unless you want to always compare monitors side by side.

The black levels are great (the glossy coating contributes to this).

Unfortunately, the L227WT lacks 1:1 but a lot of the time your video card can provide this (unless you're hooking up the monitor to consoles). What you wanted actually sounds like aspect scaling, not centered mode (1:1).

If you need I can verify the scaling capabilities of the L227 itself.

The V2400W's blacks will be about the same as the L227's, less the glossy coating that improves contrast.

Thanks for the response, xtknight. You were right in that what I need is proper aspect scaling, not 1:1. I'm actually leaning towards the HP 2207 (provided I can get a samsung panel since it's a lottery model), and it seems pretty close to the L227 while being standard gamut.

I just tested the L227. It can do 4:3 (aspect scaling), but not 1:1.

The manual which lists the resolutions is here: http://us.lge.com/download/pro...4046/L227WT_Manual.PDF

The w2207 is OK too, although the L227's response time is faster if that matters for you.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Tullphan
Where's the cheapest place to get cables & what kind to I need? The monitor stated DVI-D w/HDCP & my 4850 has 2 DVI & it comes w/a DVI-HDMI adapter it that helps.

HDCP runs over DVI, but you do not need a special cable for HDCP. It is supported when needed through the regular DVI cable.

You need a male-to-male DVI-D to DVI-D cable to connect the video card to the monitor. DVI-I to DVI-I will not work if the monitor's port is DVI-D (the pins won't match). DVI-I (video card side) to DVI-D (monitor side) works fine though.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Trippytiger

Originally posted by: xtknight
No clue, but very likely a manufacturing defect (the monitor's problem).

I've been trading emails with HP's tech support, and that's their conclusion too. They want to replace the panel. I was hoping that there would be a solution that didn't involve me giving the monitor up.

It seems like HP has some bugs to iron out of this monitor still. It really doesn't pay to be an early adopter!

This is often the case with many monitors from companies like Dell, HP, and Gateway. For these companies, manufacturing is often outsourced and problems mount more quickly with less QA involved at HP/Dell's side. Most Dell/HP/Gateway monitors have different revisions like Dell's A00 (initial), A01, A02, etc.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: smithkt
xtknight, I just received my 2690wuxi SV and the first thing I noticed is that it is extremely bright out of the box. I've already lowered the brightness down to 30%, leaving the contrast at 50%. Before I calibrate the thing, I was wondering if you might share the settings you are using. If you have any wisdom to pass along regarding the calibration, I would love to hear it as well.

Thanks for keeping this thread going, it's an amazing resource for the rest of us...

Yup most LCDs are set to 100% brightness by default (at least that's my experience).

Always keep the contrast at 50%. Increasing it will clip the grayscale (in most cases) and decreasing it will reduce contrast (you probably don't want that for any reason).

Just adjust the brightness to whatever you feel comfortable with. I don't have the LCD26 with me right now so I can't tell you what I'm using. Whatever is comfortable for you should work fine because the LCD26 is well-calibrated at every brightness setting.

I recommend hardware calibrating for sRGB gamma at 140 nits for comfortable viewing.

 

[Carnivore99]

Originally posted by: xtknightI recommend hardware calibrating for sRGB gamma at 140 nits for comfortable viewing.

I'm sure this has been discussed at length elsewhere but can you describe how this is best accomplished? What hardware / software is best, and what is the procedure?

 

[PhoeniX7na]

For people wondering about the Samsung T220...

I bought one and was quite disappointed with backlight bleed, it was almost unbearable when watching a movie. I even noticed the colors were a bit faded towards the top and bottom when gaming. This can be mitigated to a degree by turning down the brightness.

Also the out-of-the box colors were bluish, but this also can be improved with some calibration using monitor test images (http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/).

I read rave reviews about picture and color quality out of the box so I suspected I might be the victim of a panel lottery... it seems it's true. After googling "T220 backlight bleed" I found some information on the subject...

I used this process to access the hidden Samsung menu (works with other models too):

from http://www.behardware.com/arti...eries-the-verdict.html

- Set contrast and brightness to 0
- Press the « Menu » button
- Press the « Source » button for 5 seconds (the second one on the right)
A hidden ''Service Function'' menu will appear including Panel Info on the bottom which clearly indicates the panel?s origin and reference.

...and these are the codes that reveal the panel manufacturer:

from http://www.xtremesystems.org/F...howthread.php?t=184289
* X-xxxxxxxAx-xxxx: Samsung panel.
* X-xxxxxxxLx-xxxx: AU Optronics panel.
* X-xxxxxxxDx-xxxx: CMO panel.
* X-xxxxxxxIx-xxxx: CPT panel.

Apparently my panel was a CMO panel, and from reading threads all over it seems like the backlight bleed is more bearable on a Samsung panel, and the colors are more true.

The monitor definitely has the "wow" factor with the great-looking bezel, but the picture quality was really not what I was looking for. I'm still in the process of RMA'ing the monitor through Samsung, I'll give an update on that experience when that is through.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Carnivore99

Originally posted by: xtknightI recommend hardware calibrating for sRGB gamma at 140 nits for comfortable viewing.

I'm sure this has been discussed at length elsewhere but can you describe how this is best accomplished? What hardware / software is best, and what is the procedure?

The hardware used for the NEC SpectraView series monitor is the SpectraView calibrator (colorimeter) and software.

For the special NECs and other monitors that support automatic calibration, the procedure is to choose 140 nits, sRGB and let the software calibrate the monitor (colorimeter must be placed on screen).

For others you must adjust settings manually. The software tells you to turn down the brightness on the green channel, for example. I'm not sure I understand your question though. You can take a look at the Calibration section in the OP.

 

[fyleow]

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[LightningRider]

I don't have that issue with mine I don't think but I will double check tonight. The issue with mine is that the brightness is uneven. The right side of the screen is a bit darker than the rest. The left is a bit brighter.

But HP is bringing me a new one... hopefully it will be free of issues.

 

[fyleow]

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[LightningRider]

Well I am in Canada and when I phoned HP, they asked me a few questions about what was wrong and possible quick solutions. After telling them that I had already tried them all they said they would send someone to my house with a replacement panel and that they would take back the defective one. The only problem is that because the 2475w is a new model the monitor is on back order. They phoned me back when they realised this. They said it might take 2 weeks but they offered to call me back regularly to give me ETA updates etc.

What's nice is I don't have to pay anything to get a replacement. I don't have to ship it out which is nice. And if the one that they give me is defective too, I'll ask for another one.

They have been very friendly and always phone regularly to keep me up to date on the situation so I am very happy with their service so far.

 

[Orodreth]

Thanks xknight, for the thread and info. I ended up hunting down a Doublesight 263n because I didnt want speakers (Doublesight 265w with big bezel) and I wanted the polarizer (reportedly not on the Planar PX2611) and I didn't want to pay an extra $400 (NEC2690). hehehe.

No dead pixels, but a little bit of backlight bleed in the lower right corner (others alternately report upper right corner backlight bleed), but it is certainly not enough to bother me for a return.

 

[LightningRider]

Just ran that viewing angle test on my HP 2475w. It definitely does not have pink on the right side, it actually looks darker... cause of my brightness issue.

Looks like my replacement is a few weeks away as they still have to order the part though they called me again this afternoon and confirmed they are working on it and are trying to get me a replacement ASAP.

 

[fyleow]

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[Trippytiger]

Originally posted by: fyleow
Can you share your experiences with HP support? What number did you call?

When I bought my Dell 2405FPW I had numerous issues and they did advanced replacement by overnighting new monitors to me at no charge and had UPS pick up my old monitor. Somehow I don't expect the same service but I'd like to know what to expect.

My experience with HP tech support about the problems with my LP2275w has been much like LightningRider's (I'm also in Canada). I did everything through email, which resulted in a few miscommunications at first, but their responses were always pretty timely and they're now shipping me a new monitor. I guess they have a better supply of LP2275w monitors, because mine headed out today.

Honestly, I'm happy with how this has been handled by HP. I just hope the new one doesn't have the same issue. QC with these new models definitely seems to be lacking.

I would definitely suggest getting in touch with tech support yourself. I'm sure they'll send you a new one too that will hopefully be an improvement!

 

[zephyrprime]

Well I got my 26" KDS. It's not very good I have to say. Even for a TN, it's not very good. The viewing angles are horrible. If I slouch in my seat, the top of the screen becomes unrecognizeable. The corners of the screen have a noticeable yellow tint depending on what is shown on the screen. At least the monitor is bright though. Also, the screen has a blueish hue but that can be fixed by just setting the monitor's color profile to "native". I don't know why they shipped the monitor with the horrible color settings it has by default even though those aren't even the default colors for the panel.

I guess I can't complain too much for $320 but I would recommend people stay away from this monitor.

Also...I also managed to get a Soyo DYLM26E6 26" from officemax for $227! I'm pondering what to do with it.

 

[LightningRider]

Yeah HP customer service is very good in my experience so far. I'm worried also that the replacement might have the same or other issues but hopefully it will be alright, and if not I'll just ask for another replacement until I get one that works. HP's support seems good enough that they will keep giving you new ones until you're satisfied.

 

[casedawg]

What's the deal with open box monitors sold from newegg? Are they returns from customers and are therefore more likely to have dead pixels? The good news is they can be returned for a refund, unlike new LCDs, but I'd still rather avoid shipping it here and back if there's a high chance of defects.