[Retired] The LCD Thread

[Tofucube0]

does Best Buy or any other retailers have a IPS or VA panels in they're store for me to look at? i keep hearing people bash away at TN but i think that is the only kind of monitor i have ever used so i really dont understand this utter hatred that some people express.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Is there any information yet about the Viewsonic VX2265wm? Supposedly it's a 22" 120Hz LCD, but all I've been able to find are dozens of copies of the same press release.

I'm not sure, but it'll probably be the same as the other 120Hz displays (using BFI, black frame insertion). That means it will not be intercalating (inserting an intermediary frame resulting from the predicted midpoint of two other frames), but instead inserting a blank frame to wipe your retina which will of course have the side effect of noticeable flicker. More or less flicker than a 60 Hz CRT? I don't know, but people say it's noticeable.

I'm still using CRTs, mainly for the high refresh/frame rates (gaming) - I had a 2005FPW for a while but I ended up selling it. I'm aware that the so-called "120Hz" HDTVs are basically fake 120Hz in that they don't accept any >60Hz inputs - would this Viewsonic monitor be similar?

Yes, extremely likely. There hasn't been a true 120 Hz ever, that I'm aware of.

More generally (and I apologize if this has already been discussed), are there any >=20" LCD monitors that will properly accept and display signals greater than 60Hz? I'm still searching for a Sony GDM-FW900 (95lb. 24" widescreen CRT), but I'm a little afraid of breaking my desk (and back).

Yes, although they are hard to enumerate because this issue isn't touched upon in most user or professional reviews. Off the top of my head...hmm, LG L227WT will accept higher refresh rates for lower resolutions, and ViewSonic VP930b (19") does 75 Hz at native. I think that the Samsung 226BW will do 75 Hz at native.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: PreachTru
Any thoughts on this new 24" from BenQ?

BenQ E2400HD Glossy Black 24" 5ms/2ms(GTG) HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD

Sorry, don't know much about it. It's probably very similar to the V2400W though.

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
My current monitor is a 17 inch KDS Rad 7si. Honestly, it's perfect despite it being only VGA. Text is very sharp, black levels are great, don't notice any motion problems, there is no grainy image. It is as if I'm on a CRT. What is weird is that I bought it in February 2005 and you'd think LCD's back then were really poor. I bought an extremely defective 245BW followed by another defective/or just horrible LG 2452T and both were returned. I couldn't believe the image quality difference. None could come close. If only my monitor was bigger I wouldn't replace it.

BTW, I prefer 5:4 to 16:10. Does anyone else share that opinion?

I wonder if your LCD is a VA or TN. Panel difference could be why.

I don't mind 5:4 at all, but it's hard to say I prefer it. I love my widescreen LCDs.

Originally posted by: rxtrom
Hi Guys,
Great Thread..like many others have allready stated I need to make a multiuse/gaming monitor purchase and there is not definitive source. Except here.

A couple observations, correct me if wrong.

A solid 24" gaming monitor is the HP LP2475w

It's a pretty good LCD for gaming, and great for anything else. It may have a little input lag, but likely not as bad as the Dells.

Dell used to be the top choice for monitors, but not anymore it seems because of lag.

It seems people are using 1080p LCD tvs and using them as monitors. Whats the advantage besides gaming from your fav recliner.

It's been discovered many TVs aren't laggier than the Dells, and they may offer 120 Hz or high contrast or other features to ease the gaming experience. I don't have anything against using LCD TVs for PC gaming, as long as they hookup fine to PCs. I believe most today do.

My question.

For just 100-150 more I can get a 3007WFP-HC is that a better monitor than the HP?
Do I need a SLI setup or just a higher end card to game on that display smoothly, cna you recommend a card too?


I have a 1080p 36" LCD tv, should i just use that?

Thanks in advance

Why don't you try gaming with the LCD TV?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: cronos003
I've noticed a lot of people recommending the LG L227WT, but that particular model doesn't seem to exist in the US. Are most people here actually discussing the LG L227WTG which is the glossy screen version, or is their a supplier in the US that sells the LG L227WT (matte model) ?

When I say the L227WT I am referring to the L227WTG-PF, the only model available in the US. There is a matte version called L227WT, which should use the same electronics. But it's only available elsewhere than the US.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Zarakiteque
I'm looking for a 24" LCD to replace my old 19", mostly for some gaming, movies and regular use, nothing fancy.

I read quite a bit of reviews and only recently stumbled upon this forum thread. To make it short, I can't decide between the BenQ V2400W or the Samsung T240.

As I was recently informed by my computer shop, their prices for the BenQ are a bit higher then for the Samsung (they actually recently just increased the price of the BenQ, I guess due to dollar going up - I'm from Europe), but the price difference is minimal and doesn't bother me at all. I just need a recommendation, personally I'm leaning more towards the BenQ when it comes to performance etc., even tho I like the desing of the Samsung one better, but that is sorta secondary to me.

Thanks a lot in advance.

Edit: Just stumbled upon more information, apparently the Samsung T240 has some lag.

I would go with the V2400W at all costs (no pun intended). I don't trust Samsung anymore much due to panel lotteries in the past and blue screen tints with the worser panels.

Originally posted by: JRW
My brother recently bought a Samsung 2232BW+ to replace his 17" CRT, He's happy with everything EXCEPT for black level performance, especially in darker games & movies .. I know this is a common complaint (its what keeps me using my CRT most the time) but is there anything out there in the 22" - 24" range with decent black levels?

Look at VA panels for black level performance. (Well, always check reviews first before committing to any LCD.) Some VAs include the Lenovo L220X, Eizo S2231W, and for 24": Dell 2408WFP, HP LP2465.

VA panels are slower than TNs inherently and the lag may be noticeable. IPS panels can be fairly fast, but they don't always have that great of a black level. They do however show darker tones better, which may result in an increase in perceived contrast. The IPS HP LP2475w actually can have a great black level due to its wide brightness adjustment range.

e.g., 129 nits white, 0.16 black = 807:1 contrast

See here: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_lp2475w.htm

And if you want even lower, look no further...

The VA HP LP2275w also just came out: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_lp2275w.htm

102 nits white, 0.09 black, 1133:1. May be a record breaker there.

 

[ther00kie16]

I'm eyeing two monitors. One is a slightly used (still in excellent condition) 2407wfp and the other is a new Soyo 24" (confirmed P-MVA panel).
The Dell is $100 more, which would you recommend? I probably won't have any use for the inputs on the Dell and the USB hub and memory card reader would be a luxury that I don't have to have. So I'm considering whether or not the extra warranty, styling and stand pivot/rotate is worth the extra $100.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: us3rnotfound
I just bought a 22" Samsung T220 to replace my 19" Viewsonic VP930b. I only did it for the extra viewing area. It was not worth it, I am taking the T220 back. It was an atrocity to LCD panels everywhere. Going into the purchase, I knew it used TN fillm technology (I'm coming from a very nice *VA), but I wanted a little extra reactivity and definitely wanted Widescreen, so it wouldn't feel like I had tunnel vision in FPS games.

Well out of the box the picture was very harsh and with poor color. I went to Anandtech Forums and was greeted by high intensity whites I have never seen before. After literally an hour of tweaking its settings, what I concluded was that without having the gamma, brightness and contrast up, you could see the many flaws associated with RTA, the overdrive component that speeds up response times. Artifacts with black text against a grey background (AT) while scrolling was an obvious thing that I saw.

Yup! The quality of Samsungs has gone down the shitter. Too bad.

Any text I read on this monitor made me want to gouge out my eyeballs, making it awful for school work. Basically, if you have black text on a white or any shade of grey background, you're screwed. I turned on cleartype and that helped slightly but it still didn't seem "focused" (Makes me think back to the old CRT days). The search function on Firefox highlights text as bright green, and makes the text white. On my VP930b, it is a warm, comfortable green that is easy on the eyes, but with the T220, it was literally a neon green with white text that was very hard to read. That combination right there stressed my eyes pretty badly. Just highlighting text with the mouse in Firefox made the text pretty unreadable because the highlighting is a light blue and the text is white. Those 2 colors seemed to merge together as a bright neon green or something, depending on the height at which you are looking at the monitor.

The monitor is so bright it feels like you are staring into a 2x4 fluorescent light fixture. OK, tone down the brightness, and all sorts of color and uniformity issues are revealed. After properly adjusting the color, the picture still doesn't look as crisp as if the brightness and contrast were jacked up to 80-100. Which is unbearable without sunglasses. Major BLB on the top and bottom of the screen. I ran the hidden menu check, and it is a CMO panel. That would explain its tendency to display too much blue, as I've read around the web.

Definitely, but I wouldn't blame CMO. Samsung simply has not taken the time to tune their monitor to suit the CMO modules.

Alright, there are a few pros to this monitor. There is absolutely no hint of input lag whatsever, and games and movies look pretty spectacular on it. Those two things are about all that I can think of. Otherwise, I'd resort to describe the colors that this monitor outputs as bright neon pos.

So have caution if you want to purchase this screen. The sleek rose red bezel is the only slightly good thing about this monitor. Maybe if you get a true Samsung panel, things will work out, but I'm not willing to spend anymore time on this thing other than a quick RMA refund.

I am staying with my VP930b for now (Xtknight actually recommended it to me about 2 years ago, great monitor) and it's absolutely awesome now that I have experienced the illustrious "gamer LCD," which I will never again buy into. I will keep my eyes on good IPS/*VA panels only from now on.

It's funny because the T220 is not even wide gamut. That could have been a reason for the bright neon green.

But don't get turned off from all TN panels just because of a Samsung. The LG L227WT is actually a very nice monitor I'm sure you'd be happy with. I say that as a previous owner of the VP930b. I like my L227 better, except for the viewing angles. But the default colors are better and the gamut is really nice for many things. Although at times it has a tendency to make things look hyperrealistic and a little less natural. Not a huge deal though, it still looks great to my eyes. And it's fast as a cheetah.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ther00kie16
I'm eyeing two monitors. One is a slightly used (still in excellent condition) 2407wfp and the other is a new Soyo 24" (confirmed P-MVA panel).
The Dell is $100 more, which would you recommend? I probably won't have any use for the inputs on the Dell and the USB hub and memory card reader would be a luxury that I don't have to have. So I'm considering whether or not the extra warranty, styling and stand pivot/rotate is worth the extra $100.

I'd go for the Dell. Soyos have a big tendency to fail.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Tofucube0
does Best Buy or any other retailers have a IPS or VA panels in they're store for me to look at? i keep hearing people bash away at TN but i think that is the only kind of monitor i have ever used so i really dont understand this utter hatred that some people express.

Nope, unfortunately the only monitors (at least under 24") that are on display are TN panels. TN panels under 24" actually aren't that bad. You should check out the ones I recommend.

I don't know...I don't listen to people. They can be crazy.

Yes, it's true TN panels are not a good idea for photo editing, and the viewing angles can be quite annoying at times. Other than that, I don't have objections to them. Yes, I still prefer a nice IPS panel. However, with the low price, high contrast, and gamut of TN panels today, it's getting harder and harder to say that. I used to use a LCD2690 and now an L227WT everyday (college), but I am not having "withdrawal" from the IPS panel. The L227 works great for most things I do.

 

[ther00kie16]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: ther00kie16
I'm eyeing two monitors. One is a slightly used (still in excellent condition) 2407wfp and the other is a new Soyo 24" (confirmed P-MVA panel).
The Dell is $100 more, which would you recommend? I probably won't have any use for the inputs on the Dell and the USB hub and memory card reader would be a luxury that I don't have to have. So I'm considering whether or not the extra warranty, styling and stand pivot/rotate is worth the extra $100.

I'd go for the Dell. Soyos have a big tendency to fail.

I have a Soyo right now and it works great. The one up for sale is also tested to work. So can you give me more objective reasons as to why the Dell is worth an extra $100?
I'll probably go for the Dell but want some more opinions.

 

[rxtrom]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: rxtrom
Hi Guys,
Great Thread..like many others have allready stated I need to make a multiuse/gaming monitor purchase and there is not definitive source. Except here.

A couple observations, correct me if wrong.

A solid 24" gaming monitor is the HP LP2475w

It's a pretty good LCD for gaming, and great for anything else. It may have a little input lag, but likely not as bad as the Dells.

Dell used to be the top choice for monitors, but not anymore it seems because of lag.

It seems people are using 1080p LCD tvs and using them as monitors. Whats the advantage besides gaming from your fav recliner.

It's been discovered many TVs aren't laggier than the Dells, and they may offer 120 Hz or high contrast or other features to ease the gaming experience. I don't have anything against using LCD TVs for PC gaming, as long as they hookup fine to PCs. I believe most today do.

My question.

For just 100-150 more I can get a 3007WFP-HC is that a better monitor than the HP?
Do I need a SLI setup or just a higher end card to game on that display smoothly, cna you recommend a card too?


I have a 1080p 36" LCD tv, should i just use that?

Thanks in advance

Why don't you try gaming with the LCD TV?

Thanks for the reply, I would be introuble with the kids if i took their 36" from them for gaming. haha

The way you talk abput the LG L227WT makes me want to go and buy it, but its only a 22" can you recommend a 24-30 with those same qualities?

Have you heard anything good about the Hannspree HF-289HJB? it looked decent at BB today, but I am afraid to pull the trigger.

 

[TheUnk]

So is the BenQ V2400W still ranked #1 for 24 inch long "hardcore" gaming?

Is there a NON-glossy 24" LG to match the LG L277WT?

I just can't decide on a new 24" gaming monitor.

 

[ati666]

can anyone tell me which type of DAC does LG w2234s-bn lcd uses, is it 6-bit or true 8-bit?

i have already looked over the internet and did not get any info or reviews.

 

[ToastyX]

Originally posted by: Tofucube0
does Best Buy or any other retailers have a IPS or VA panels in they're store for me to look at? i keep hearing people bash away at TN but i think that is the only kind of monitor i have ever used so i really dont understand this utter hatred that some people express.

The 24" iMac and the 20"/23"/30" Apple Cinema Displays have IPS panels. Those are the only ones you'll find in a store these days.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ther00kie16

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: ther00kie16
I'm eyeing two monitors. One is a slightly used (still in excellent condition) 2407wfp and the other is a new Soyo 24" (confirmed P-MVA panel).
The Dell is $100 more, which would you recommend? I probably won't have any use for the inputs on the Dell and the USB hub and memory card reader would be a luxury that I don't have to have. So I'm considering whether or not the extra warranty, styling and stand pivot/rotate is worth the extra $100.

I'd go for the Dell. Soyos have a big tendency to fail.

I have a Soyo right now and it works great. The one up for sale is also tested to work. So can you give me more objective reasons as to why the Dell is worth an extra $100?
I'll probably go for the Dell but want some more opinions.

Well, besides the risk, there isn't really any reason why the Dell is worth $100 more. I have heard many people in here say their Soyo has failed and wanted to make sure you were aware of its lower reliability than other monitors.

I haven't read a professional review on the monitor so I can't offer you more info. Maybe this site can: http://ninjatales.wordpress.co...e-soyo-24-lcd-monitor/

Or look at this poll: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1240718

When I posted this that means that 7.27% of them failed. Not terrible, I guess.

Objectively, the Dell has the same gamut backlight. You can check ExtremeTech's reviews: http://www.extremetech.com/art.../0,2845,2211595,00.asp

In practice you may not notice the huge disparities they're talking about. I'd go for the Dell but if you're deadset on saving the $100 then you can probably get away with it unless your unit fails.

And apparently later Soyos have been TNs. This is a big one-up for the Dell.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ati666
can anyone tell me which type of DAC does LG w2234s-bn lcd uses, is it 6-bit or true 8-bit?

i have already looked over the internet and did not get any info or reviews.

The w2234s is a TN panel so it very likely uses 6-bit.

Originally posted by: TheUnk
So is the BenQ V2400W still ranked #1 for 24 inch long "hardcore" gaming?

Is there a NON-glossy 24" LG to match the LG L277WT?

I just can't decide on a new 24" gaming monitor.

Yes the BenQ is still at the top.

Why not the V2400W? The 245BW is also another good choice.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: rxtrom
Thanks for the reply, I would be introuble with the kids if i took their 36" from them for gaming. haha

The way you talk abput the LG L227WT makes me want to go and buy it, but its only a 22" can you recommend a 24-30 with those same qualities?

HP LP2475w or Dell 3007WFP-HC would be my primary recommendations. They might have a tad more lag but they have great image quality. I don't think most people notice lag with IPS panels so I would not hesitate to recommend them (unless you play in pro gaming leagues or something).

Have you heard anything good about the Hannspree HF-289HJB? it looked decent at BB today, but I am afraid to pull the trigger.

Hanns LCDs typically don't have good default color. Here's a testament to that for a very similar Hanns 28": http://www.extremetech.com/art.../0,2845,2205463,00.asp

 

[PreachTru]

nt

 

[Liquidus]

Hey xtknight, I took a look at your list of recommended monitors and I plan to buy a 24 inch TN LCD for gaming and movies within the next year. I see that Benq v2400W is both the cheapest and #1 recommended LCD on your list. What are the differences between the $400 Benq V2400 and the Soyo 24 inch LCD I've seen for around $200 on sale in the past? What are the major factors I should be looking at within TN LCDs? Thanks.

 

[rxtrom]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: rxtrom
Thanks for the reply, I would be introuble with the kids if i took their 36" from them for gaming. haha

The way you talk abput the LG L227WT makes me want to go and buy it, but its only a 22" can you recommend a 24-30 with those same qualities?

HP LP2475w or Dell 3007WFP-HC would be my primary recommendations. They might have a tad more lag but they have great image quality. I don't think most people notice lag with IPS panels so I would not hesitate to recommend them (unless you play in pro gaming leagues or something).

Have you heard anything good about the Hannspree HF-289HJB? it looked decent at BB today, but I am afraid to pull the trigger.

Hanns LCDs typically don't have good default color. Here's a testament to that for a very similar Hanns 28": http://www.extremetech.com/art.../0,2845,2205463,00.asp

Thank you for your help. I just bought a 3007wfp-hc. Ill post back with my thoughts once it setup. You have quite a responsibility in this thread answering everyones questions.

Could you or anyone recommend a video card for this monitor, I play cod4 and like nvidia.

 

[PreachTru]

I took the plunge and snagged a BenQ FP241VW for $449 shipped.
http://store.benq.us/benq-us/product.aspx?sku=3269055

 

[TheUnk]

Originally posted by: PreachTru
I took the plunge and snagged a BenQ FP241VW for $449 shipped.
http://store.benq.us/benq-us/product.aspx?sku=3269055

Wow that's ugly. Sorry

 

[ati666]

i would like to know which lcds are TN.*VA,S-IPS. ARE ALL 19" & 22" lcds TN, if there is any with va or s-ips .which ones are they?

 

[PreachTru]

Originally posted by: TheUnk

Originally posted by: PreachTru
I took the plunge and snagged a BenQ FP241VW for $449 shipped.
http://store.benq.us/benq-us/product.aspx?sku=3269055

Wow that's ugly. Sorry

All a matter of personal opinion I suppose. I like the way it looks.

 

[rxtrom]

Originally posted by: ati666
i would like to know which lcds are TN.*VA,S-IPS. ARE ALL 19" & 22" lcds TN, if there is any with va or s-ips .which ones are they?

take a look at post number 2 in this thread.