[Retired] The LCD Thread

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ericinho
Prad states: this panel has a response time of 6 ms grey-to-grey and 12 ms black-white, which should also be sufficient for video playback and occasional computer games.

> Does this has any influence on the playing of DVD movies on the screen?

Yeah, but gaming is far more sensitive to response time than movies. With games, you expect a response and know exactly where it's supposed to be, and with movies you can't really tell because the scenes are unpredictable. There's few LCDs you can't watch movies on. Most any LCD sold today is just fine for that with very few exceptions.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Malpractice1
well I just recieved my LCD2690WUXi-BK
Is there anybody here that can help me set it up?
I've been playing with the contrast/brightness/sharpness but I was just curious if anybody had this monitor if they could write down there settings so I could plug them in.
I've tried reading the manual a few times but, all I get is a headache/confused.
I'm just trying to get the most out of this monitor and was hoping I could get some help from you all.

You probably already have the most out of the monitor as long as you're using it at a comfortable brightness and not using "sRGB" mode. The LCD2690 is very well-tuned at the factory. Use 6500K color temperature or Native mode.

I don't know if you're saying you got a headache from using the monitor or reading the manual...

If you want better quality you'll have to invest in the NEC ColorComp software and calibration hardware. That's probably not worth it unless you edit photos.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Renob
Need some input from you guys, its time to upgrade.

I have done a little research and think I will be buying one of these two monitors. Which would you buy?

Sammy
Sexy
Has a Digital Tuner built in with remote and just looks very sexy, does true 19:9 1080p

LG
25.5 incher
$20 cheaper I hear it has better black and inch and a half bigger.

Both have a 3 year warranty, which would you get and why oh and by the way I do watch lots of DVD movies and streamed TV shows in my office

The Samsung has a solid reputation on Newegg judging by the # of reviews, but here's a review of the T240:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...ung-topaz_9.html#sect0

I bet the LG would have faster response time but again I'm not really sure. I'd go for the LG I guess due to that review of the Samsung regarding response time. I also like the bigger size of the LG.

It's up to you to decide what's most important to you, I guess. I haven't seen a solid professional review on either of these monitors.

 

[Exclusive]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Exclusive
Oh, dam, okay.
And I will NOT be using any PS3 or XBOX 360 device via HDMI through the monitor.

If so, the BenQ would still be better unfortunately?
And for confirmation, which has better warranty for dead pixels/etc?
Samsung or BenQ?

Sorry, I can't tell you. Haven't used both side by side. But as 10e stated the BenQ has better default colors, to his eyes. So it would seem to me that regardless of whether you're hooking up a PS3 or Xbox the BenQ is still better.

Better warranty? Hmm, that's a good question.

Here is the 2493HM's detailed warranty info: http://www.samsung.com/us/supp...mType=&dType=D&vType=R

And, the G2400WD's: http://benq.us/products/LCD/?p...page=downloads&dtype=W

I'm a tad lazy to read it all.

Per the manual, the 2493HM is ISO 13406-2 Pixel fault Class II.

G2400WD is also ISO 13406-2 Class II according to their FAQ of all their LCD monitors ( http://benq.us/support/library...50,351,551,376,364#365 ) and another site where it's sold ( http://wcam.ee/?p=3&iid=3332 ).

See here for details on ISO 13406-2 Pixel fault Class II: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_13406-2

Note those measurements are per million pixels. A 1920x1200 display has 2,304,000 pixels.

Yet more info here: http://www.behardware.com/art/imprimer/666/

Thank you!!!

Although, now, seriously, I just have to choose between the BenQ and Samsung.
There's a HUGE price difference, BenQ is around $360 and Samsung is $460.
Therefore, would the BenQ obviously win now? :

 

[Inhaber]

Thanks for the reply. I think I'll just go with the LG L227WTG-PF and find a tuner card that fits my needs. Not only is it easier because of local pickup, but gaming is my main priority.

 

[Exclusive]

And also, if to be going with the BenQ, which model would be the best?
I really like the looks of the V2400W, although, the G2400WD seems to be replace it? Can you elaborate on that, please?
& so, which should I choose? G2400WD/WT/etc!??!?!

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Exclusive
Thank you!!!

Although, now, seriously, I just have to choose between the BenQ and Samsung.
There's a HUGE price difference, BenQ is around $360 and Samsung is $460.
Therefore, would the BenQ obviously win now? :

The BenQ's a better choice if you want something with 1:1 support and better default colors for $100 cheaper. I guess I'll put it that way.

 

[Inhaber]

Oh, since you mention default colors that reminds me of another question. I don't remember if I read anything about it or not but how good is the LG L227WTG-PF out of the box? Would it take much to calibrate it or would you have any recommendations?

 

[fyleow]

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[xtknight]

Originally posted by: fyleow
Some are probably going to think I'm crazy but I'm considering trying to get my HP LP2475w replaced again. After 500 hours of back light usage the problem hasn't improved and someone on the OC UK forums tested the color difference between the right and left side of his monitor to be consistently 500k before and after burning in. I'm kind of afraid of getting stuck with a refurbished unit if I do another exchange now though and not too sure if they would even allow it.

I think there should at least be a note about this issue on the recommendation list. The issue seems pretty prevalent based on multiple forums.

Yeah, I guess I'll add a note about it. I assumed the issue was kind of minor because PRAD didn't talk about it. Some people pick the monitors apart to death so you don't really know until you get some data. But I can see you've shown some data on it below.

The crazy thing is that on websites with grey backgrounds the color shifting is MORE than on my VA panel Dell. Sure there is a difference due to the viewing angle on the Dell, but not 500k temperature difference.

I'm considering just getting the BenQ TN panel since it's highly rated.

What about those higher resolution 16:9 monitors that are coming out?

I'm not aware of any higher than 1920x1080. In this case the G2400WD would already be higher at 1920x1200. The G2400WD is a solid TN choice without problems like the HP and other IPS panels are having.

BTW for those who are curious what it looks like there is an excellent picture posted on the overclockers UK forum. The picture is taken with a camera comparing the left and right side of the monitor.

Link

Do you have a picture of what the whole screen of the LP2475w looks like?

 

[Exclusive]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Exclusive
Thank you!!!

Although, now, seriously, I just have to choose between the BenQ and Samsung.
There's a HUGE price difference, BenQ is around $360 and Samsung is $460.
Therefore, would the BenQ obviously win now? :

The BenQ's a better choice if you want something with 1:1 support and better default colors for $100 cheaper. I guess I'll put it that way.

Thanks!

And also, if to be going with the BenQ, which model would be the best? I really like the looks of the V2400W, although, the G2400WD seems to be replace it? Can you elaborate on that, please? & so, which should I choose? G2400WD/WT/etc!??!?!

Should I also wait for the release of 120Hz monitors? And is it better off also waiting for new releases of 16:9 aspect ratio 24" monitors? Since, 16:9, don't you GAIN picture and despite losing 'pixels'? And you'll get a 'wider' image too? Hmmm ...

And therefore, the BenQ has 1:1 support and better default colors and it's $100 cheaper, and the Samsung doesn't have 1:1 support and worser default colors? Does the Samsung have any 'pros' against the BenQ? Or is the BenQ obviously the winner?

 

[fyleow]

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[xtknight]

Originally posted by: fyleow
I'm puzzles by that too. Both PRAD and tftcentral have really in depth and excellent reviews but I'm surprised neither mentioned it. It's not like I got something part of a bad batch either since the monitor I originally had and the replacement have manufacturing dates which are 3 months apart.

Cherry-picked review models? Who knows...

There are a few high res 23 inch 16:9 ones out like the Dell SP2309W and the Samsung SM2343BW. Both have 2048 x 1152 resolution. So horizontal resolution is improved while vertical is slightly worse.

Ahhhhh yeah I had seen these on TFTcentral. TNs though so I didn't even really look twice at them.

I just contacted HP and they seem willing to send me as many replacements as necessary so I will give it another try. If that doesn't workout I will take a look at the BenQ. Basically I just need HDCP, HDMI, and 1:1 pixel mapping and the BenQ seems to hit all those points.

Well I hope you get a good HP. It sounds like HP's support is really on the ball, at least. I'm lucky if I get a "real" reply within 5 days from any company I've contacted.

I'm just surprised HP would release an LCD with such a blunder AND prad, tftcentral didn't realize it. That's all. But I can understand it might be a problem for some of us. This reminds me of the Samsung panel lotteries where Samsung sent all the reviewers S panels. Fancy that. Sometimes I think there's things going on under the sheets with reviewers and manufacturers...especially after I heard about that whole NVIDIA thing where they tell the reviewers what to do. But at least NVIDIA doesn't send cherry-picked HARDWARE...I mean jesus you can't possibly hit the customer up the butt any worse. The record-setting (US DoJ) price fixing scandals of the major LCD manufacturers make me think the LCD market is being controlled by some of the worst tycoons in the business world.

 

[zod96]

Is this westinghouse a glossy screen? http://www.bestbuy.com/olspage...d=9119811&type=product I can't tell if it is or not....And I've read that this might be a MVA panel...

 

[goldpete]

 

[goldpete]

 

[goldpete]

FYI: The HP LP2475W 24" LCD is selling for $609.99 at CDW for those of you that are interested.

http://www.cdw.com/shop/produc...fault.aspx?EDC=1559057


(Sorry about the two previous blank postings; I was trying to quote and decided later to delete them but couldn't, so I guess the forum admin will have to.)

 

[Renob]

xtknight thanks for the reply!!!

I'd go for the LG I guess due to that review of the Samsung regarding response time.

are you talking response time for gaming or response time as in switching form one channel to the next using the remote while watching TV?

 

[pennylane]

How frequent are dead pixels these days? I've sort of made up my mind to get a good monitor for photo-editing (have my eye on the HP LP2475W), but my friend has ranted to me that he hates dead pixels and only buys cheap monitors because he doesn't like going through the hassle of returning a monitor because of dead pixels and he doesn't like the idea of spending several hundred on a monitor that still might have dead pixels.

What do you think about that?

 

[Exclusive]

Some "cheap" monitors may have a higher increase of dead pixels & other issues. and sometimes, not even have a warranty included or a very low standard warranty.

 

[10e]

Thank you!!!

Although, now, seriously, I just have to choose between the BenQ and Samsung.
There's a HUGE price difference, BenQ is around $360 and Samsung is $460.
Therefore, would the BenQ obviously win now? :

I would take the BenQ and pocket the cash, Exclusive. I liked the panel on the Samsung 2493hm vs. the G2400W original model, but IMHO the G2400WD and V2400W are as good visually as the Samsung and still more accurate color wise. They also have better blacks in general than the Sammy.

In addition, the Samsung scales up images in a very "soft" fashion and the lower the resolution you scale, the more input lag you get. With the BenQ you get a choice. You can use the video card to scale up to full res and get that same anti-aliased "softness" or use the monitor scaler which won't soften the image at all. I do believe this is also the only time you can adjust sharpness on the BenQ to soften it a tiny bit or get a sharper scaled up image. Sorry for putting it so confusingly, but there are more options to customize the image on the BenQ than the Samsung for sure.

The only caveat is that for some reason, the G2400WD and V2400W always scale up 1680x1050 to full screen. Not sure why, as the older G2400W did not have this issue. All other resolutions on G2400WD/V2400W like 1440x900 and 1360x768 work fine at 1:1 though.

Effectively the V2400W and G2400WD are the same monitor internally, but the V2400W is aesthetically more pleasing, and a bit more expensive from what I remember.

 

[brentpas]

A few questions, and I apologize if this was answered in the 300 pages. I just skimmed through them.

For a gaming monitor...

Is there a big difference between the LG L227WTG-PF and the LG W2252TQ-TF ?

The glossy screen somewhat concerns me as I have a big windows right behind me and I'm afraid it will cause major havoc.

Also does the Viewsonic VX2260wm even come in the same ballpark as a decent gaming monitor?

Thanks in advance and great guide!

 

[Exclusive]

@ 10e, so, the G2400WD and the V2400W have problems 1:1 pixel mapping at 1680 x 1050 to full screen? Sorry, I didn't understand that part, please intend to rephrase it.

Oh, and, what if my BenQ monitor comes with 1 or 2 dead/bright pixels? Would the shop or BenQ replace it? I've heard BenQ's warranty will only repair/replace it if it has 3 dead pixels and 2 bright pixels or just 5 in reference of both. Although, Samsung will replace any single dead/bright pixel, that's all I'm concerned about too. The dead pixels warranty for BenQ ...

And overall, the G2400WD and the V2400W are basically the same?
Both have the same response time and no difference in input lag?
If so, I might be better off getting the V2400W, as I love the "sexy" design.

 

[brentpas]

Originally posted by: Exclusive
Oh, and, what if my BenQ monitor comes with 1 or 2 dead/bright pixels? Would the shop or BenQ replace it?

From what I've read, if you buy from the BenQ store you have a 30 day return policy, granted I don't think that means a free exchange so I think you would have to pay shipping. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

:edit due to typo:

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Exclusive
And also, if to be going with the BenQ, which model would be the best?
I really like the looks of the V2400W, although, the G2400WD seems to be replace it? Can you elaborate on that, please?
& so, which should I choose? G2400WD/WT/etc!??!?!

The V2400W actually originally replaced the G2400WD. Then the G2400WD came back. I'm not sure why.

I'm pretty sure only one is in mass production at any given time. If not, just pick the one with the best design I guess.

Originally posted by: Inhaber
Oh, since you mention default colors that reminds me of another question. I don't remember if I read anything about it or not but how good is the LG L227WTG-PF out of the box? Would it take much to calibrate it or would you have any recommendations?

Out of the box the L227 is great. It doesn't need to be calibrated with any special hardware to look good. I just adjust the white point by adjusting R/G/B in user mode till it looks good to me and I don't use the f-Engine (dynamic/adaptive contrast) feature.

Originally posted by: fyleow

Originally posted by: Inhaber
Oh, since you mention default colors that reminds me of another question. I don't remember if I read anything about it or not but how good is the LG L227WTG-PF out of the box? Would it take much to calibrate it or would you have any recommendations?

I am not sure if the L227WTG-PF is the same as the L227WT but TFT central just launched their ICC profile database. If it's not the same you can take a look at the post about the monitor on hardforum and someone should have posted their ICC and monitor settings somewhere in the thread.

That's your best bet if you don't have a hardware calibrator. Just download their ICC profile they provide and adjust your monitor settings accordingly. It's not going to be perfect since the settings really depend on your lightning conditions and every monitor is unique but it is better than nothing.

At the very least it will give you a good starting point to adjust further.

Yup. There is also one available in my thread here: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2002685&enterthread=y