[Retired] The LCD Thread

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Exclusive
Thanks!

And also, if to be going with the BenQ, which model would be the best? I really like the looks of the V2400W, although, the G2400WD seems to be replace it? Can you elaborate on that, please? & so, which should I choose? G2400WD/WT/etc!??!?!

Should I also wait for the release of 120Hz monitors? And is it better off also waiting for new releases of 16:9 aspect ratio 24" monitors? Since, 16:9, don't you GAIN picture and despite losing 'pixels'? And you'll get a 'wider' image too? Hmmm ...

If you're this curious you should probably read up on the 120 Hz models already out. But in a short answer, I can basically tell you no, don't bother with 120 Hz now.

Nope you gain nothing going from 1920x1200 16:10 to 1920x1080 16:9 besides true 1080p support. If you multiply that, 16:9 obviously gives you less area. The greatest area for any rectangle is n*n. 16:9 yields less area than 4:3 too.

And therefore, the BenQ has 1:1 support and better default colors and it's $100 cheaper, and the Samsung doesn't have 1:1 support and worser default colors? Does the Samsung have any 'pros' against the BenQ? Or is the BenQ obviously the winner?

Samsung doesn't have advantages unless you like its design better. And I think we already cleared this up about which one you should get. Whichever of the BenQ G2400WD/V2400W that you can find on sale and whose design you like best.

Originally posted by: Renob
xtknight thanks for the reply!!!

I'd go for the LG I guess due to that review of the Samsung regarding response time.

are you talking response time for gaming or response time as in switching form one channel to the next using the remote while watching TV?

I am talking about pixel response time, often discussed about with gaming. Slow pixel response time yields a blurred and ghosted picture.

Originally posted by: fanerman91
How frequent are dead pixels these days? I've sort of made up my mind to get a good monitor for photo-editing (have my eye on the HP LP2475W), but my friend has ranted to me that he hates dead pixels and only buys cheap monitors because he doesn't like going through the hassle of returning a monitor because of dead pixels and he doesn't like the idea of spending several hundred on a monitor that still might have dead pixels.

What do you think about that?

Dead pixels are not as common as they used to be due to better glass cutting techniques.

What do I think about it? Hmmmm well HP I believe lets you exchange endlessly, at least according to one of the above posters' experiences. So just exchange until you get a good one. Or live with the dead pixels. My LCD2690 has two and it doesn't affect me (they are however in off-centered locations, so that's better too).

You can either have a piece of crap with dead pixels or a good monitor with dead pixels, I guess. Your choice, lol.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: brentpas
A few questions, and I apologize if this was answered in the 300 pages. I just skimmed through them.

For a gaming monitor...

Is there a big difference between the LG L227WTG-PF and the LG W2252TQ-TF ?

Probably not, besides the coating. I haven't seen an in-depth review of the W2252TQ so that's hard to ascertain. See http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1288129

and http://www.goodgearguide.com.a...id;5231;fp;;fpid;;pt;1

The glossy screen somewhat concerns me as I have a big windows right behind me and I'm afraid it will cause major havoc.

Also does the Viewsonic VX2260wm even come in the same ballpark as a decent gaming monitor?

Thanks in advance and great guide!

Ditto for the VX2260wm. No reviews from the sites I trust (listed in OP). Sorry.... since I do not personally review monitors I can't do anything except interpret information already out there, of which there is currently none about that particular model.

There's this, but I feel this site lacks in-depth information that X-Bit, Tom's Hardware, and BeHardware provide: http://www.trustedreviews.com/...2in-Full-HD-Monitor/p1

Frankly, it's unlikely anything better than the L227WTG-PF will come out within the next year if you're talking about image quality. It's tops in all aspects for a TN panel. It is sort of like the 20WMGX2 of TN panels. But the ASUS VW222u (or possibly newer VW224u) is a good matte panel choice. I'm not sure of its input lag numbers and I haven't heard people talk about the lag on this panel so it's not in my Gaming section for now. But I'm pretty sure it's not bad.

 

[ati666]

what's the differnce between LCD and plasma panels, and what type of dac does plasma use?

 

[jstdon]

I picked up the BenQ G2400WD last night and it is at least as good as all the other monitors I tested it against.

However, there are some alarms raised here:
- it responded exactly the same as my friend's BenQ FP241W which is a PVA panel. This shouldn't be possible and the digitalversus link agrees. We performed the usual clock test with a camera and they were the same in 20 of 20 pictures we took.
- the digitalversus link for the G2400WD in this thread links to the "G2400W" panel, not the "G2400WD" panel. They may be the same panel, I'm uninformed.
- the digitalversus comparison for the LG L227WT is horrible. Why does it show a massively different result than prad.de?

 

[fyleow]

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[Exclusive]

Ok, ty.

 

[ati666]

what's the differnce between LCD and plasma panels, and what type of dac does plasma use?

anyone?!

 

[imported_jabberjaw]

Originally posted by: jabberjaw
looking for a bit of advice. I am planning on purchasing a new monitor at the end of this month, I have about an 800-900 dollar budget and it needs to cover some broad points ie it needs to be a work/play/movie monitor. Here are my requirements:

-24-30in (something bigger than 24 would be pref)

-Very good color reproduction (within that price range, I'd love to buy something more expensive but I need to budget) I am a photographer, I calibrate my monitor with a colorimeter every 2 weeks, TN panels are out and I am not sure about S-PVA etc with regards to color accuracy (please enlighten me).

-HDMI connection- I would love to be able to hook up a Bluray player to it/ .

-Low lag(as possible)- I do play the occasional game to I'd like it to not be problematic in this respect.

-easy on the eyes with regards to brightness- My current monitor is ridiculously bright and changing the brightness changes its ability to render colors correctly (ie unsmooth gradients etc) so I've had to keep it at 100, not good...

-non glossy screen

Any advice would be great. I figure I should wait till after Thanksgiving to make this purchase, with the economy the way it is there should be some good deals out there. Thanks again!

Check out the HP LP2475w. It almost perfectly satisfies your criteria: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc...67-444767-3648442.html

Beyond that, there is the bigger-but-same-resolution DoubleSight DS-265W. However, reports say this monitor is pretty bright (no backlight control). There's no way I think the DS-265W is worth it over the HP anyway. Given the current market go for a 24" (LP2475w) or 30" (3007WFP-HC). The DS-265W's overall package is a bit disappointing though it has great screen quality.

And remember, be sure to use color profiles (including gamut transformation models) especially with wide gamut panels.

Thanks for the input and sorry about the delay in responding, however after hearing all the bruhaha regarding the HP LP2475w and its defects, I've decided to just pop for a 30in screen. I need the space, I need better color, and if I am going to spend that much I'd like it to fill as many requirements as possible. I know no screens are perfect, but what the hell, I am not rich and I don't want to regret my purchase.

I am thinking of picking up a Dell 3007Wfp-HC from their outlet store. Price after tax for NYC and free shipping is $975 more or less, which is doable. Since you mention it, any other thoughts on this monitor? I know it's missing some connections but in hindsight I am more concerned with my graphics work than with watching HD movies anyway. Also, I use a Spyder2 Xpress to calibrate my current monitor, with the 3007 being a Wide gamut model would this still work or would I need to purchase a newer version of the Spyder? What do you use to calibrate your screens?

Thanks in Advance!

 

[balloonshark]

Hi! I'm looking for a decent 19" - 22" budget LCD monitor with a price range of $100 to $150. I might go a little higher if a jaw-dropping deal pops up.

My 15" LCD is three years old and I want to upgrade. I have an 8500GT and play slightly older games. I will most likely be at least 2 years behind on game releases and graphics cards when I upgrade it so the new monitor would need to be compatible. I don't anticipate watching movies or t.v. on my machine. I will also be using the new monitor for at least 3 years.

Can anyone provide suggestions and/or good deals for a budget monitor. I've been trying to keep my eye out in the deal section but I have no idea what's good or bad.

Also, what distance should a person be sitting from a monitor in the 19 -22" range. Please let me know if you need any more information and thank you in advance.

Edit: Please disregard my post as I settled on a Samsung 2232BW 22" monitor.

 

[NotoriousJTC]

I'm looking to revive and older PC ive had lying around, and id like to buy a new LCD monitor to use with it.

The vital specs are AMD AthlonXP 2500+ 1.83ghz, 2gb DDR RAM, Geforce 6800 AGP.

I've been looking at the Samsung T220. Am i going to any problems using that screen at such a high resolution with this system? I plan to use it to for daily tasks and media viewing. Maybe the occasional old school game or two.

 

[ati666]

what's the differnce between LCD and plasma panels, and what type of dac does plasma use?

i looked over the web and they dont answer my questions. can antone help?

 

[cluelessly]

I'm searching for 20-23" monitors. My main interest is in watching HD quality movies and being able to look at very sharp and clear pictures. I'm not a gamer and I don't need HDMI, but I would like to view HD quality movies. I'm leaning towards deciding from Samsung, LG, or HP models, but I'm open to other suggestions (I just found out about BenQ so I don't know anything about their quality relative to Samsung or LG)

I went to the store and looked at a couple of models: Samsung 2443bwx, 2343bwx, 2253lw, and the LG L227wtg-pf, L227WT.

A few models from the recommendation list here caught my eye too:
Lenovo ThinkVision L220X, HP LP2465 (I know this is 24"), HP LP2065, Samsung SyncMaster 2493HM (this also 24").

Can anyone help me how I can decide which specs are appropriate for me and which brand is the best relative to those specs?

Also, regarding glossy and matte monitors- I know that the usual complaint against glossy is that it's too reflective. Assuming I can control the lighting environment pretty well to reduce the reflection, which type has better image quality in terms of better/truer color and sharper images? I'm wondering because I heard that glossy monitors don't display colors accurately, and that the colors only "look brighter" because they aren't really accurate. Is this true? And how would the two types compare in different conditions, such as complete darkness, a dim environment, or a bright environment without a light source directly reflecting off of it? What differences do you get between monitors that have glossy and TN, or glossy and VA, or matte and TN, or matte and VA?

Lastly, are the Samsung Touch of Color LCD's primarily used for non-PC monitors?

Thanks for the help.

 

[kenudigit]

Happy Turkey Day. I would like to thank the OP for this thread. It helped me out greatly on picking a monitor. For all the people caught up in black friday deals, I stumbled onto a nice deal being offered on newegg for the G2400WD ($290):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824014173

 

[AiponGkooja]

This one any good? It's not listed anywhere on here, but seems to have solid reviews:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/..._-24-009-154-_-Product

 

[Bryson777]

What about the Acer H213H 21.5" 1080p monitor? Seems like the 21" version of the above.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824009157

I am desperately looking for a gaming(PC/PS3/XBOX) and movie watching monitor. I actually owned an l227wtg briefly before returning it to futureshop. It was my first experience with an LCD monitor and the viewing angles turned me off so much that I am contemplating purchasing a 32" LCD HDTV instead. Everything else about that monitor was TOP notch from the colors and deep blacks, responsiveness, sharp text and gaming was a treat. Unfortunately, it seems like futureshop no longer carries that model Any idea why?

I am also very interested in the G2400WD but I just can't seem to find a store that has this monitor on display here in montreal and I just don't feel comfortable buying it without seeing first hand what the viewing angles are like. So if the Acers mentioned above are any good then that would be great, especially if it satisfies me enough to keep me from forking over the dough for a full fledged 1080p LCD TV.

 

[Exclusive]

I wonder which would be better ..
Black Friday or Boxing day ...

(regarding prices)

 

[NAC]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: NAC
I bought an Asus VW222U and have been using it for two days now....
<SNIP>
But I simply can't recommend it. Not sure if this is a different screen from what was initially sold as VW222U, but it is just BAD for text on a white background.

X-Bit recommended it for text use and usually I trust them: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...splay/22inch-2_10.html

Also most TN monitors don't have backlights that are that bright compared to VA panels.

Have you tried the 'regular' or 'standard' Splendid mode for text use?

I did try standard and all the Splendid modes. I think it basically has "standard" and several "splendid" modes. Each have preset settings - contrast, color, etc. In standard mode, you can't access some potential settings like vibrancy (or something like that). But with the splendid modes you can access those settings, and change and save any setting. So now I'm running in one splendid modes with most of the settings changed - including that vibrancy (something like that). I now have the contrast at 50% and brightness still at 0%.

Perhaps I came across a bit harsh in my first post. Of course, you can read text and if this was your only monitor, you might not notice that it isn't quite as clear as it could be. But since I have others to compare, I have to be honest that I don't recommend the Asus if you are going to do office type work.

BTW, my monitors at work are HP LP1965 - another model which you recommend. They are awesome for text (not sure about colors compared to Asus).

 

[scotyard]

Hi, i am looking for the perfect monitor.Should i go for

Dell 2208 WFP 22 " UltraSharp

Samsung T220?

or

Dell S2209 WFP 22 " Widescreen Flat Panel LCD Monitor?

 

[Praxis1452]

Hmm with all the BF deals for monitors out I've got a budget of $400(though would prefer <$300) and need a multimedia monitor heh. Anyone got a suggestion?

 

[LennyL5]

First I would like to thank everybody for all the great information in this forum, especially xtknight. Although it is a HUGE thread, I was able to search through it and get quite a few of my questions answered.
I am looking for a dual 19-20? monitor set up that I will be using for work, amateur photography work, and MAYBE some basic games. For work, I will primarily be using the dual set up with an online web meeting on one monitor and the other monitor will be used for other general purpose activities (email, word processing, presentations, etc). For amateur photography work, I will have a photograph I am working on in one monitor and my pallets or other general stuff on the other monitor. If I play games, it will probably be basic games?cards, board, etc.
With that said, I currently have one 17? CRT monitor and I am relatively pleased with it. But like I said, I want a dual monitor set up and the CRT is taking up quite a bit of space on my desk. I am considering upgrading to a more efficient set up. I have been learning the technology behind LCD monitors over the past week and as I expected our friendly electronic companies have made the decision making process seemingly difficult, at best. From what I have read I believe the following thins are important to me based on my use of the monitor:
? IPS, PVA, or MVA panel
? Good contrast for photo editing
? Good color saturation
? Ability to rotate monitor into a portrait mode
? True 8-bit per channel
? 6-8ms response time. From what I understand a IPS, PVA, or MVA panel will have to have RTC (Response Time Compensation) to achieve this response time so it doesn?t look like I have my beer goggles on if I am trying to play a basic game or view a movie!
? A native resolution that my video card can output. I have an Radeon 9500.

Do you believe my important items above match my needs for a monitor? Based on the above important items and based on info from this forum, tftcentral, and xbitlabs it seems that all roads are leading to 4 monitors.
? HP LP1965 (P-MVA, 6ms)
? HP LP2065 (S-IPS, 8ms or AMVA, 8ms)
? Dell 2007FP (S-IPS, 16ms or S-PVA, 8ms)
? Dell 2007WFP (S-IPS, 16ms or S-PVA, 8ms)

I am trying to keep the cost per monitor around/below $300. Based on my needs and wants, do these monitors seem to be a good fit? Do I have the correct technologies and response times captured for these monitors? Also, are there other monitors out there that I am missing? I am not so sure I want a wide screen so I am not too excited about the Dell 2007WFP. I don?t know that I have a need or the desk space for a wide screen monitor. I prefer the non-wide screen geometry. Also, I have seen some information about HCDP. What is this?what does it do for me? Do these monitors have this?
Thank you very much for taking the time to read this and I would appreciate any help I can get here!!!

 

[ati666]

xtknight can you help me with, what's the differnce between LCD and plasma panels, and what type of dac does plasma use?

i looked over the web and they dont answer my questions. can antone help?

thanx

 

[brainkot]

Hi folks,

I have been using the same 17 inch monitor since 2001, and
would like to buy a replacement. I am looking at two monitors
mentioned previously in this thread:
HP LP2475W
L227WTG-PF
The most obvious difference between the two is the size (LG 22 inch
vs. HP 24 inch), but this is not too important for me. I also understood
that HP had a higher-quality panel. The price difference is large,
and I am trying to figure out if the extra money for the HP is
worth it. I don't game or do any kind of graphics intensive work,
what I do a lot is watching videos, reading and text editing (I might
spend the whole day editing and typesetting papers).
Do you think buying an HP panel would be worth it in this case, in
other words, will it give me any advantage in what I am using
my computer for?

Thanks!

 

[albovin]

Hello xtknight ,
I have found the first professional test review of the NEC 24WMGX3 - translation is here..

Accordind to the review, an outstandig monitor for multimedia.
Low input lag.

IMO the only con is A-MVA panel.

It seems to be a good candidate to your recommendation list.
Thanks.

 

[zod96]

For Xmas I'm asking for a 24 inch non-TN panel LCD. Which one would you recommend for games?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ati666
what's the differnce between LCD and plasma panels, and what type of dac does plasma use?

Don't really know much about plasmas, but I know they use pulse width modulation to control the intensity of teh subpixels.

Originally posted by: jstdon
I picked up the BenQ G2400WD last night and it is at least as good as all the other monitors I tested it against.

However, there are some alarms raised here:
- it responded exactly the same as my friend's BenQ FP241W which is a PVA panel. This shouldn't be possible and the digitalversus link agrees. We performed the usual clock test with a camera and they were the same in 20 of 20 pictures we took.
- the digitalversus link for the G2400WD in this thread links to the "G2400W" panel, not the "G2400WD" panel. They may be the same panel, I'm uninformed.
- the digitalversus comparison for the LG L227WT is horrible. Why does it show a massively different result than prad.de?

I know about as much as you do here. In other words, I simply don't know what's going on.

As for the G2400W, I simply had to assume the G2400WD was similar enough. The V2400W was very similar to the G model.

DigitalVersus may have gotten a bad L227 unit.

Originally posted by: jabberjaw

Originally posted by: jabberjaw
looking for a bit of advice. I am planning on purchasing a new monitor at the end of this month, I have about an 800-900 dollar budget and it needs to cover some broad points ie it needs to be a work/play/movie monitor. Here are my requirements:

-24-30in (something bigger than 24 would be pref)

-Very good color reproduction (within that price range, I'd love to buy something more expensive but I need to budget) I am a photographer, I calibrate my monitor with a colorimeter every 2 weeks, TN panels are out and I am not sure about S-PVA etc with regards to color accuracy (please enlighten me).

-HDMI connection- I would love to be able to hook up a Bluray player to it/ .

-Low lag(as possible)- I do play the occasional game to I'd like it to not be problematic in this respect.

-easy on the eyes with regards to brightness- My current monitor is ridiculously bright and changing the brightness changes its ability to render colors correctly (ie unsmooth gradients etc) so I've had to keep it at 100, not good...

-non glossy screen

Any advice would be great. I figure I should wait till after Thanksgiving to make this purchase, with the economy the way it is there should be some good deals out there. Thanks again!

Check out the HP LP2475w. It almost perfectly satisfies your criteria: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc...67-444767-3648442.html

Beyond that, there is the bigger-but-same-resolution DoubleSight DS-265W. However, reports say this monitor is pretty bright (no backlight control). There's no way I think the DS-265W is worth it over the HP anyway. Given the current market go for a 24" (LP2475w) or 30" (3007WFP-HC). The DS-265W's overall package is a bit disappointing though it has great screen quality.

And remember, be sure to use color profiles (including gamut transformation models) especially with wide gamut panels.

Thanks for the input and sorry about the delay in responding, however after hearing all the bruhaha regarding the HP LP2475w and its defects, I've decided to just pop for a 30in screen. I need the space, I need better color, and if I am going to spend that much I'd like it to fill as many requirements as possible. I know no screens are perfect, but what the hell, I am not rich and I don't want to regret my purchase.

I am thinking of picking up a Dell 3007Wfp-HC from their outlet store. Price after tax for NYC and free shipping is $975 more or less, which is doable. Since you mention it, any other thoughts on this monitor? I know it's missing some connections but in hindsight I am more concerned with my graphics work than with watching HD movies anyway. Also, I use a Spyder2 Xpress to calibrate my current monitor, with the 3007 being a Wide gamut model would this still work or would I need to purchase a newer version of the Spyder? What do you use to calibrate your screens?

Thanks in Advance!

The Spyder with wide gamut screens? I think it's known to have some issues with the NEC SpectraView software but it might work with other software or monitors than NECs.

Calibrating to sRGB will not be all you need to do. You'll have to use an sRGB color profile in Photoshop as I'm sure you're aware.

The 3007 is a great screen, really, that doesn't have any serious defects.

Originally posted by: NotoriousJTC
I'm looking to revive and older PC ive had lying around, and id like to buy a new LCD monitor to use with it.

The vital specs are AMD AthlonXP 2500+ 1.83ghz, 2gb DDR RAM, Geforce 6800 AGP.

I've been looking at the Samsung T220. Am i going to any problems using that screen at such a high resolution with this system? I plan to use it to for daily tasks and media viewing. Maybe the occasional old school game or two.

That is not too high of a resolution for a 6800 as long as you're not playing Crysis or something.

I don't recommend the T220 in particular but many other 22"s as listed in my OP. The L227 is awesome.