[Retired] The LCD Thread

[WeelWraith]

Originally posted by: noire
Very Nice Job...This thread is very helpfull and informative....well done!!!

I am interested in HP 2475W ...but it seems that many of them have that temperature uniformity issue (green/pink from side to side).....I m starting to think that ALL the LP2475W eventually have THAT problem....is that so?

I live in Greece and I dont have the option to see them to have a personal opinion...thus
Can someone tell me if ALL models have that issue. ???

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I'm interested in the HP LP2475W as well. It seems to be one of the only S-IPS monitors left except for the NEC monitors that are over $1000 USD.

The New NEC WMG24GX3 is not an S-IPS, but will be up there in price when it comes out in the U.S.

The DELL 2408WFP is a S-PVA? or MVA? and it has come down in price to $517, but I would prefer the S-IPS monitor over the S-PVA or the TN panel.

That leaves the HP for type and price range. I hope they resolve this issue that you speak of. I'm in the U.S. but nowhere near a store that carries an HP LP2475W monitor to see up close and personal.
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Finally, my questions are All HP LP2475 suffer from this problem?
or there is a possibility to find a good one?

I would like the answer to this myself. Where did you read about this problem?
It would be good to find out if HP has a fix to this problem...
I also hope that HP is not planning to discontinue this monitor.

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And what your opinion about the HP 2442hc ? If it is even better than 2408h. I think is a good option and I can find it 200? less than the LP2475. The glossy panel doesnt bother me.


Greetings from Greece...keep going the nice job!

 

[WeelWraith]

I recently attempted to upgrade my video output with an EVGA NVIDIA 9800GT video adapter. It shut my system down because my power supply was not up to the task at only 300 Watts. New 750 Watt PSU on the way.

After the EVGA adapter is installed and working, then I plan to make my monitor purchase (HP LP2475W) then.

What I need input/feedback information about is: It seems that unlike my previous CRT monitors [17" Trinitron (aperture grill) & Viewsonic P815 21" (shadow mask)], that LCD monitors need "calibration". My current SEPTRE 19" X9C-NAGA V (Gamer) [2 yrs. old]

I've never calibrated. How does one do that? A software program or a device? Are the expensive?
I've read on another forum [AVS] that people calibrate their TVs using s DVD that has THX on it rather than purchase some expensive calibrating software DVD or something?
Is this the same for an LCD computer monitor? I hope that calibrating a new LCD monitor is not an expensive undertaking.

 

[noire]

Originally posted by: WeelWraith
I would like the answer to this myself. Where did you read about this problem?

I gave a link above....and I generally see poeple talking about this pink/green problem all over the internet...

and here in this thread they have talked about it.

I saw a number of pages in this thread....so I am wondering ALL Lp2475w have this problem?

plus if HP2448ch is better than HP2408h why not?

But i dont know much about HP2448ch.

 

[JavaJones]

OK, I'm working on a nice high-end system build and need a 30" monitor to finish it off. Price is not a concern. I looked through this lengthy thread and the original recommendations in the first post, but really wasn't clear on the relative merits of the few options in this stratospheric arena of stupidly large displays.

Here are my main task in order of priority:
Graphics work for print and web (Photoshop, Illustrator)
Web design
Photo viewing and editing
Gaming
Movie watching (high definition)

So in my estimation the specification requirements would be, in order of importance:
Color accuracy across the whole display
Backlight consistency
Response time (8-12ms seems acceptable)
HDCP compliance

I would just go straight for the NEC MultiSync LCD3090WQXi or HP LP3065, as I like most of the advantages of IPS tech, and the 3065 in particular has some nice features (including HDCP I believe). Unfortunately all the 30" IPS panels seem to also be "wide gamut" and I am concerned after reading some online reviews of some of these displays which show questionable benefit from this tech, and some potential issues to boot.

Supposedly "wide gamut" is an advantage, and I would have been previously disposed to think so as well (after all as a photographer I am always aiming for higher dynamic range), however most of the reviews I've read claim these monitors are useless until calibrated. Now I am willing to calibrate if it's a one-time affair, if it works system-wide (including games), and if it is easy to do. But if it's not going to give me significant advantages, and may make my web-oriented graphics work more difficult as far as matching average output, then I'd sooner not bother.

That being said I'd love to have a wider gamut if I can still effectively create web-oriented graphics, and if the color is accurate and pleasing in all my uses. I'm just really not clear that would be the case. Many reviewers noted reds that were "too bright" for example, and I've seen what I guess is a similar effect on my plasma TV at times. I'd hate to have that on my primary display.

If the wide gamut tech does prove to be problematic, then my other first choice was the Samsung SyncMaster 305T. However I would prefer IPS from both a technical standpoint and from past experience as a relatively pleased HP LP2065 owner. Admittedly I have not tried an actual S-PVA display and reviews seem to indicate it compares relatively favorably to IPS, but I'm skeptical...

I'd love it if there was just an IPS display *without* wide gamut at 30". I'm honestly curious why there doesn't appear to be such an option. Maybe I've just overlooked it. It also seems like many options aren't HDCP, which is odd.

So I'd love some feedback on the "wide gamut" issue here, and specific recommendations on what would be good for my needs in a 30" size.

Thanks!

P.S. Wow, these post icons are rediculous. At least they had platypus.

- Oshyan

 

[nemesiz]

I would like some help to buy a new monitor. I would like some help to buy a new monitor.

I bought a Samsung 226BW last year and returned it. The default colors was out of the box ugly and the backlight was visible while playing games with bright colors like WoW. I bought last week a Samsung T220 because Digital Versus review was positive about it but again i was dissapointed. There's too much blue in the colors out of the box and the backlight again is visible while playing WoW and other games like Oblivion and The Witcher. It is not as bad as the 226BW i bought last year but still my old BenQ FP71E beats it by a good margin using the default settings. I don't have the tools to adjust the colors of my monitor.

Samsung for me is now not an option.

I'm looking for a 22" widescreen monitor to play games and watch movies. I would like one with an adjustable stand but it's not a must have feature (it's a big plus thought). I dislike black piano finish but i can deal with it if the monitor is really good. I'm looking for a monitor between 200 and 350$ CAD. I do not use dynamic contrast. I'm not too found on 5 MS monitor sold as 2 MS. Most engine used to emulate a 2 MS monitor produce artifacts in games so i will likely disable it. The Samsung T220 with RTA enabled produce some artifacts in the sky while playing WoW and quickly turning the camera. Not a big deal but still i don't see the advantage of 2Ms over 5 MS since the later is far enough for me i'm not a pro gamer. I want if possible good colors out of the box. I can deal with adjusting the contrast and brightness but i don't want to go further in the settings. I'm not a pro who will complain if the monitor is 2.3 or whatever. I don't even know what it means. But if i can tell out of the box that the white are blueish (Samsung T220 i bought) or the yellow are white (The Samsung 226BW i bought) then it's bad for me. I don't want to buy words on a box or a piano sold as a monitor i want to buy a straight monitor with good colors (not too warm, not too cold), no major input lag, no backlight visible when displaying bright colors and an adjustable stand if possible.

Right now i'm looking for these monitors :

BenQ G2200WT and BenQ G2200W : Anyone know the difference between both model ? Are they good monitor for gaming and movies ?

LG 227WTG-PF, LG 226WU-PF, L226WTQ-SF and L226WTY-BF : I'm lost here what is the difference between all LG 226 models ? I already know that the 227WTG-PF comes with a glossy screen but do the 226WU-PF come with a glossy screen too ? I've never used a glossy screen is it as bad as people tell ? There's not much light where my PC is and i mostly use it at night. What is the advantage and the disavantage of a gloosy screen ? Are they good monitor for gaming and movies ?

Without considering Samsung monitors is there any other good monitors in the 200-350$ CAD price range with the features i want to play games and watch movies ?

The main reason to your problems is due to purchasing TN technology panelled screens. Although the TN Panels have excellent response times for games, it suffers from poor colour reproduction, below average viewing angles and the aggresive overdrive can cause the symptoms of artifacting. Also the cheapness and quality controls with regards to the manufacturing of TN panels mean a higher percentage suffer from backlight bleeding. Sadly with your budget it is difficult to purchase a S-PVA,or (A)S-IPS panelled monitor that would be perfect for your requirements. So either try saving up an extra $100 or more Canadian Dollars or look to purchasing a smaller model. Either way you'll be happier with the results and won't waste your money. Simply you pay for what you get.

Also don't forget that a lot of panels today require to be carefully configured, as factory default have brightness or contrast levels to their highest, making the picture look washed out. Also colour reproduction needs to be adjusted to ensure the image is too your taste and reduce certain characteristic faults due to the panel technology.

 

[Deinonych]

Originally posted by: Tremulant
So, I'm planning on purchasing a BenQ G2400WD, but I'm unsure where to buy from. I haven't read this entire thread, so this may have been discussed already, but what is the recommended place to purchase LCD monitors from?

I use Amazon.com. They have the most consumer-friendly return/exchange policies if you get a bad panel.

 

[zod96]

FYI BestBuy has the LG L227 for $249

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: bardos
hi, my comp uses a geforce 7600 video card. will this card function with a 24 inch monitor (TFT)? or do i need an upgrade?

thx.

That totally depends on the games you play. Please check benchmarks for 1920x1200, the 24" resolution.

Antialiasing (at least supersampling) will consume more power than simply raising the resolution, because AA multiplies the resolution.

Originally posted by: you2
Is there a big difference between the dell 2007fp and 2008fp ?

I didn't know that there was a 2008FP. But the E208WFP, a different model, is a TN panel.

My concern with the HP LP2065 is some of the recent reviews on newegg were a bit negative towards both the screen (one claim it was tn) and against HP.

The LP2065 comes in MVA or IPS flavors.

I'm not a huge fan of dell either after all I need a new monitor because my 4 year old 2001FP has developed bad memory and (imho) has a sucky panel. I saw some good reviews on viewsonic (you don't list them either) but upon checking the company it seems to be having a bit of a problem the past 20 months. Hum. I didn't think it would be this difficult to find a 20 inch panel but it does seem that 24/22 wide screen are the 'in' thing and no one is making 20 inch panel.

In general I have had bad luck with ViewSonic. I have recommended more of them in the past, but all the ViewSonic models that use overdrive have had poor overdrive control, causing terrible artifacts. I've experienced that with two ViewSonic models that I've owned. Plus, many of their models have DVI problems. I also think the stands and menus on a lot of them are kind of ugly, although this of course is a matter of personal opinion. Another bad experience was that one claimed 720p support (dubious at best) but upon hooking up a 720p device, I got nothing but a black image. The reason was that it only supported 720p out of the video card when the video card scaled it from 1280x720.

Btw when will your list be updated (per note below) ? I'm not sure how long I have until my current monitor currently fails but maybe another month is possible...

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: you2
How is the dell 2007F. I see a couple of references in this thread but nothing in 9 months and it is not on the list of recommended monitors. Is there an issue with this monitor ?

The Dell 2007FP is not recommended because the HP LP2065 is just as good, cheaper, and comes with a higher likelihood of receiving an IPS panel (to my knowledge). The 2007FP, yet, is still a viable choice. I suppose it could be recommended under the LP2065. As you may have heard, I'm currently in the process of revamping the list and format.

I'm trying to work on it. The data isn't the hard part but finding a good format for it. Probably by the end of this week or earlier.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: WeelWraith

If it's to be a S-PVA of S-IPS, then for my budget it would have to bee either the DELL Ultrasharp 2408WFP or the HP LP2475W. The NEC (I'm in the U.S.) are over $1K. Apple is not a 24" and is almost a thousand. It seems that monitor makers make some models only for Asia and Europe and are not available in the U.S. Example: NEC 24" gaming monitor that is god for movies as well. I can't remember the model.

Hmmm 24WMGX3? Should be in the US soon AFAIK. The LCD2490WUXi has always been available in the US...

Yes, the NEC 24WMG3! That seem like a great monitor if it comes out in the U.S.
Do you happen to know the type panel in that monitor?
It's the NEC LCD2490WUXI that runs $1,099.00 +/- depending on where you can find one. I like NEC brand, but their price has always been up there even from the CRT days. Professionals, I suppose prefer them.

The 24WMGX3 is an S-PVA.

I like the HP LP2475W as well. I really need to (or would like to) actually see one physically at a store operate as opposed to just purchasing one online.

However, that NEC 24WMGX3 is worth a look if it has the right panel type and price range versus their other "professional model"

Thank you, you really are able to help me/us sort this LCD monitor business out. It's not easy... I've been a 21" CRT user with a fondness for the Sonty Trinitron (apatuer grill) monitors from the first.
Now, it's: LCD with 1.) 120 Hz? which have that? and will it make a difference with only 60Hz running into it? 2.) TN, S-PVA, S-IPS... 3.) LED & OLED coming soon to monitors or way down the road? 4.) Glossy versus matt? 5.) Are the S-IPS and S-PVA being phazed out? If so, what will replace them for people like me? A non-gamer that watches movies, video and TV, BUT might game some...
You see, so much to sort out and all the information can at time confust rather than clarify.

The 24WMGX3 is certainly a fine choice. You don't need to spend $1100 to get an IPS to be happy.

Yeah, I understand all the confusion. It usually boils down to what you can get in your price range and area. That usually limits things substantially. And then, go from there.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: WhiteKnight

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: coolcolin09
The VW224U is truly amazing. I've played Counter-Strike Source a little bit, as well as FSX, and evreything is so vivid. Even if I zoom out in the cockpit (when playing FSX) and all the letters, etc on the panel become tiny, I can still read them. Very crisp! On CS:S everything is clear and vivid as well; I don't see any ghosting or artifacts, either. I'm coming from a 5-6 year-old IBM 17", lol, so everything is dramatically better. But yes, for $200 ($180 after MIR), I don't see how this couldn't be recommended. Once I get ASCR working I'll report back to see if there is much of a difference with an extra 3000:1 contrast ratio. But yes, please do recommend this model.

The only thing I'm not all that impressed with is the glossy bevel. I would have rather had the VW222U's exterior, as I'm just not a big fan of the glossy; it attracts a lot of finger prints. It so beautiful, though

Cool. I'll replace the VW222U with the VW224U then. As soon as I get done with revamping my list. That may be awhile. (Hoping subconsciously saying that will make me do it faster.)

The screen itself is anti-glare matte, right?

I see that the vw222u is back at Newegg for $200 AR compared to the vw224u for $170 AR. Is there any reason to go with the 222 over the 224?

I say just go with whatever's cheaper.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Awake928
Thank you for your reply. Currently I have ati 3850 512 mb.

If I'm not mistaken that should be fine for most 1680x1050 games?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: skyking
Tomorrow is the last day of a $217 price for the Dell 2208WFP. Linkage.
It is a TN panel, I don't know much else.
I don't game, mostly general office usage. My old LCD is an original ultrasharp 1900. Anybody have this panel here or have a recommendation?

ViewSonic VX2255wmb, LG L226WTQ, Acer AL2216WBD...

If you want cheaper I'm sure the Dell would be fine for just general use.

Originally posted by: Tremulant
So, I'm planning on purchasing a BenQ G2400WD, but I'm unsure where to buy from. I haven't read this entire thread, so this may have been discussed already, but what is the recommended place to purchase LCD monitors from?

I don't know about this. It basically boils down to which ones let you return (or at least exchange?) for 'any reason', as none specifically have a zero-dead-pixel policy in the US. So that means Dell and maybe a couple other retailers.

Originally posted by: francischabot156
Hi!

I would like some help to buy a new monitor.

I bought a Samsung 226BW last year and returned it. The default colors was out of the box ugly and the backlight was visible while playing games with bright colors like WoW. I bought last week a Samsung T220 because Digital Versus review was positive about it but again i was dissapointed. There's too much blue in the colors out of the box and the backlight again is visible while playing WoW and other games like Oblivion and The Witcher. It is not as bad as the 226BW i bought last year but still my old BenQ FP71E beats it by a good margin using the default settings. I don't have the tools to adjust the colors of my monitor.

Samsung for me is now not an option.

I'm looking for a 22" widescreen monitor to play games and watch movies. I would like one with an adjustable stand but it's not a must have feature (it's a big plus thought). I dislike black piano finish but i can deal with it if the monitor is really good. I'm looking for a monitor between 200 and 350$ CAD. I do not use dynamic contrast. I'm not too found on 5 MS monitor sold as 2 MS. Most engine used to emulate a 2 MS monitor produce artifacts in games so i will likely disable it. The Samsung T220 with RTA enabled produce some artifacts in the sky while playing WoW and quickly turning the camera. Not a big deal but still i don't see the advantage of 2Ms over 5 MS since the later is far enough for me i'm not a pro gamer. I want if possible good colors out of the box. I can deal with adjusting the contrast and brightness but i don't want to go further in the settings. I'm not a pro who will complain if the monitor is 2.3 or whatever. I don't even know what it means. But if i can tell out of the box that the white are blueish (Samsung T220 i bought) or the yellow are white (The Samsung 226BW i bought) then it's bad for me. I don't want to buy words on a box or a piano sold as a monitor i want to buy a straight monitor with good colors (not too warm, not too cold), no major input lag, no backlight visible when displaying bright colors and an adjustable stand if possible.

Right now i'm looking for these monitors :

BenQ G2200WT and BenQ G2200W : Anyone know the difference between both model ? Are they good monitor for gaming and movies ?

LG 227WTG-PF, LG 226WU-PF, L226WTQ-SF and L226WTY-BF : I'm lost here what is the difference between all LG 226 models ? I already know that the 227WTG-PF comes with a glossy screen but do the 226WU-PF come with a glossy screen too ? I've never used a glossy screen is it as bad as people tell ? There's not much light where my PC is and i mostly use it at night. What is the advantage and the disavantage of a gloosy screen ? Are they good monitor for gaming and movies ?

Without considering Samsung monitors is there any other good monitors in the 200-350$ CAD price range with the features i want to play games and watch movies ?

I recommend the L227WTG-PF (glossy). And I doubt glossy will be a problem in your situation.

Not sure about the BenQ ones really, but BenQ releases quite high quality monitors in their G series.

I'd say any of these are a sure bet over the Samsung 22"s, which have been notorious for poor panel choice and tuning. They all have blue dominance and bad response time control.

There is the ASUS VW222u and VW224u, not sure if those are available in your area. Also the Acer AL2216wbd. But I'd recommend the LG.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: casedawg
I'm looking to pickup a cheaper 22" widescreen display. I was going to grab another Acer AL2216Wbd, but it seems like they have been discontinued (at least Newegg and Amazon no longer carry them). What's equivalent to the AL2216Wbd in terms of price and performance these days? Acer has a lot of 22" widescreen displays available...are any of these a newer version of the AL2216Wbd?

Hmm...I'm not sure which one is a direct successor.

On an unrelated note, what's the deal with the BenQ E2400HD and how does it compare to the G2400HD? The E2400HD is 1920x1080 and the G2400HD is 1920x1200. Is the 120 vertical pixels the only difference, or are there quality differences as well?

I assume you mean the G2400WD, but yes that's the primary difference. Seeing as both are 24" TNs there's not going to be much other difference. Both are quite full-featured.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: bricecubed
I am in the market for recommended monitor(s) suitable for programming, web graphics / design, Internet browsing / news reading, and system administration(shells / "dos prompts").

The *KEY FEATURE* I am looking for is low eye strain and clarity. Glossy coatings are not allowed! I am behind the screen for 12 hours a day.

After much reasearch and many roads travelled (thanks largely to this thread), I have been leaning towards the NEC LCD2190UXp -- preferably two in a dual-monitor setup. I like the LARGE SURFACE/Resolution (21.3" as opposed to 20" @ 1600x1200). Seems that fonts and icons will be bigger and easier to read on this monitor. I also like the auto brightness feature (I don't want to fry my eyes in the dark). It is also sleek looking, has a thin bezel, and supports an EXTREMELY accurate panel.

Here are my concerns;

1. Price overkill? The LCD2190UXp is not cheap. Especially considering the purchase of two.

Yea this is overkill if you're not doing a lot of photo editing. Consider instead two LP2065s or 2007FPs. Keep in mind the LP2065s and 2007FPs have a harsh anti-glare coating (a bit fuzzy), but that should be easy on the eyes for long periods of time. I've seen my mom's 2007FP at work and it's very comfortable to look at. I've also seen other 2007FPs.

And yes unfortunately the 2007FPs and LP2065s are 20.1" not 21.3", but I think you'll find an extra inch is not worth hundreds of dollars.

2. Dated Monitor? The LCD2190UXp came out in late 2006, and I have not seen any recent reviews or roundups covering this monitor. Is it still a contender? Are there new [LED backlit?], higher performing, and cheaper LCDs available?

The PVA-panel Samsung XL20 is $2000 and has an LED backlight...

3. Is the LCD2190UXp suitable for my job?

Yup, as are the 2007FPs and LP2065s I believe.

4. Is there a more suitable monitor available?

Many thanks for your input. This thread, is truly an invaluable resource!

I definitely believe the HP and Dell will do just fine for you. There'd better be a good reason to spend hundreds more, I'd say, on the LCD2190UXp. I'm not seeing anything in your uses that indicates you would not be perfectly happy with the 100%+ cheaper models.

Unfortunately, the prices on 21-21.3" standard aspect models are all absolutely insane. I do think non-widescreen is better for general use, especially for us old school folks who still use shells (that includes me).

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: csnplt
While, Blackfirevatsal, you don't really need to get a specific motherboard for a specific screen, unless you are using integrated graphics. Otherwise, if you are getting a dedicated card, just make sure that it has dvi or vga to hook to your monitor. DVI is the best, so look for a card with this connection, and a lcd with this connection. Then, you can hook up your crt to a vga port on the graphics card, via adaptor from dvi.

Here is my question:

I am also looking for a 22 inch monitor. The LG L227WTG-PF looks like the best option to me, and I don't care about the glossy finish. However, I just came across the Dell SP2208WFP, which is also glossy, but has a built in webcam and mic. Which is better? I am going to be gaming and doing multimedia.

I'd say the LG L227WTG-PF is definitely better although haven't seen a comprehensive review of the Dell SP2208. All the reviews of Dell TN panels that I've seen, however, have been relatively unsatisfactory in terms of image quality (color temperature setup and response time, specifically). They have good ergonomics and menus but just fall short in image quality a lot.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: noire
Very Nice Job...This thread is very helpfull and informative....well done!!!

I am interested in HP 2475W ...but it seems that many of them have that temperature uniformity issue (green/pink from side to side).....I m starting to think that ALL the LP2475W eventually have THAT problem....is that so?

I live in Greece and I dont have the option to see them to have a personal opinion...thus
Can someone tell me if ALL models have that issue. ???

I wish I knew the answer to this. But to my knowledge, not all have the issue. It hasn't been reported in at least a couple pro reviews. That's why I keep recommending it, although with a note.

Also I m interesting in another model ?P 2442hc, its a TN panel but less expensive and if am going to give more money for HP 2475W and have that green/pink from side to side that I see here http://forums.overclockers.co....12864055&postcount=659 I will be disapointed.

Finally, my questions are All HP LP2475 suffer from this problem?
or there is a possibility to find a good one?

And what your opinion about the HP 2442hc ? If it is even better than 2408h. I think is a good option and I can find it 200? less than the LP2475. The glossy panel doesnt bother me.


Greetings from Greece...keep going the nice job!

I don't know about the HP 2442hc. But, is the BenQ G2400WD or V2400W or G2400W available there? All those BenQs are good choices. The w2408h is a solid choice too.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Hyper Ion
I'd like to say that this is an amazing thread and I thank the original poster for all his hard work in creating it and keeping it updated.

I thank everyone (you and prior/subsequent posters) for the kind words and wish you all happy holidays.

I have a question for anyone who might have a response. I live in Canada and I use my computer mainly for gaming. I am looking to buy a new LCD monitor, so I looked in the gaming recommendations and I saw that the L227WTG-PF is the most recommended. However, after searching the internet, I do not think these are being sold in Canada. Does anyone know of any L227WTG-PF monitors being sold in Canada that I can purchase? Or even a monitor that is similar to it that is being sold in Canada? Thanks.

It definitely looks sparse there... Weird. But there's a smorgasbord of good 22" choices as well in the OP.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: WeelWraith

Originally posted by: noire
Very Nice Job...This thread is very helpfull and informative....well done!!!

I am interested in HP 2475W ...but it seems that many of them have that temperature uniformity issue (green/pink from side to side).....I m starting to think that ALL the LP2475W eventually have THAT problem....is that so?

I live in Greece and I dont have the option to see them to have a personal opinion...thus
Can someone tell me if ALL models have that issue. ???

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I'm interested in the HP LP2475W as well. It seems to be one of the only S-IPS monitors left except for the NEC monitors that are over $1000 USD.

The New NEC WMG24GX3 is not an S-IPS, but will be up there in price when it comes out in the U.S.

The DELL 2408WFP is a S-PVA? or MVA? and it has come down in price to $517, but I would prefer the S-IPS monitor over the S-PVA or the TN panel.

That leaves the HP for type and price range. I hope they resolve this issue that you speak of. I'm in the U.S. but nowhere near a store that carries an HP LP2475W monitor to see up close and personal.
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Finally, my questions are All HP LP2475 suffer from this problem?
or there is a possibility to find a good one?

I would like the answer to this myself. Where did you read about this problem?
It would be good to find out if HP has a fix to this problem...
I also hope that HP is not planning to discontinue this monitor.

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And what your opinion about the HP 2442hc ? If it is even better than 2408h. I think is a good option and I can find it 200? less than the LP2475. The glossy panel doesnt bother me.


Greetings from Greece...keep going the nice job!

The Dell 2408WFP is a Samsung S-PVA HiColor (wide gamut) branded panel.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: WeelWraith
I recently attempted to upgrade my video output with an EVGA NVIDIA 9800GT video adapter. It shut my system down because my power supply was not up to the task at only 300 Watts. New 750 Watt PSU on the way.

After the EVGA adapter is installed and working, then I plan to make my monitor purchase (HP LP2475W) then.

What I need input/feedback information about is: It seems that unlike my previous CRT monitors [17" Trinitron (aperture grill) & Viewsonic P815 21" (shadow mask)], that LCD monitors need "calibration". My current SEPTRE 19" X9C-NAGA V (Gamer) [2 yrs. old]

I've never calibrated. How does one do that? A software program or a device? Are the expensive?
I've read on another forum [AVS] that people calibrate their TVs using s DVD that has THX on it rather than purchase some expensive calibrating software DVD or something?
Is this the same for an LCD computer monitor? I hope that calibrating a new LCD monitor is not an expensive undertaking.

LCD monitors today have better default colors than they have in the past. The ones I recommend in the OP do not need anything beyond basic brightness and contrast adjustments to look reasonable.

Take a look at the calibration section in the first post for more info. It's mainly necessary if you edit photos. You don't see a typical consumer toting around a colorimeter.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: JavaJones
OK, I'm working on a nice high-end system build and need a 30" monitor to finish it off. Price is not a concern. I looked through this lengthy thread and the original recommendations in the first post, but really wasn't clear on the relative merits of the few options in this stratospheric arena of stupidly large displays.

Here are my main task in order of priority:
Graphics work for print and web (Photoshop, Illustrator)
Web design
Photo viewing and editing
Gaming
Movie watching (high definition)

So in my estimation the specification requirements would be, in order of importance:
Color accuracy across the whole display
Backlight consistency
Response time (8-12ms seems acceptable)
HDCP compliance

I would just go straight for the NEC MultiSync LCD3090WQXi or HP LP3065, as I like most of the advantages of IPS tech, and the 3065 in particular has some nice features (including HDCP I believe). Unfortunately all the 30" IPS panels seem to also be "wide gamut" and I am concerned after reading some online reviews of some of these displays which show questionable benefit from this tech, and some potential issues to boot.

Supposedly "wide gamut" is an advantage, and I would have been previously disposed to think so as well (after all as a photographer I am always aiming for higher dynamic range), however most of the reviews I've read claim these monitors are useless until calibrated. Now I am willing to calibrate if it's a one-time affair, if it works system-wide (including games), and if it is easy to do. But if it's not going to give me significant advantages, and may make my web-oriented graphics work more difficult as far as matching average output, then I'd sooner not bother.

These reviews that state "wide gamut is useless until calibrated" are misguided. sRGB monitors had to be calibrated too. The difference with WG displays is that you NEED to profile them if you edit sRGB photos because they are way farther from the sRGB standard than most sRGB monitors are. Even sRGB monitors though benefit from being profiled. The calibration tool helps you do this.

That being said I'd love to have a wider gamut if I can still effectively create web-oriented graphics, and if the color is accurate and pleasing in all my uses. I'm just really not clear that would be the case. Many reviewers noted reds that were "too bright" for example, and I've seen what I guess is a similar effect on my plasma TV at times. I'd hate to have that on my primary display.

If the wide gamut tech does prove to be problematic, then my other first choice was the Samsung SyncMaster 305T.

The 305T has also recently adopted a wide gamut backlight AFAIK.

However I would prefer IPS from both a technical standpoint and from past experience as a relatively pleased HP LP2065 owner. Admittedly I have not tried an actual S-PVA display and reviews seem to indicate it compares relatively favorably to IPS, but I'm skeptical...

I'd love it if there was just an IPS display *without* wide gamut at 30". I'm honestly curious why there doesn't appear to be such an option. Maybe I've just overlooked it. It also seems like many options aren't HDCP, which is odd.

So I'd love some feedback on the "wide gamut" issue here, and specific recommendations on what would be good for my needs in a 30" size.

Thanks!

P.S. Wow, these post icons are rediculous. At least they had platypus.

- Oshyan

The Dell 3007WFP-HC is a great choice for any photo editor. Just be sure to get a calibration utility so that you can create a device profile to load into Photoshop so Photoshop can perform gamut transformation (emulate sRGB properly). The emulation is not that bad really, and it's quite accurate.

And "calibration" isn't the same as "profiling". Calibration is tweaking the voltage/brightness response for individual tones of color. "Profiling" is ensuring that the entire color range, or palette of possible colors, is even remotely close to what you want. Although, most often, calibration tools also put profiles in the ICC/ICM files.

 

[brencat]

Hi xt. Two questions for anyone here.

1. What is the difference in performance between the BenQ G2400WD vs the V2400WD. The "V" is selling for ~ $360 from BenQ's site w/free shipping and the G2400WD sells for ~ $340 + shipping at Newegg. Aside from the ultra-slim profile of the "V", is there any other difference?

2. In terms of pure performance, color accuracy, and other features, which would you pick for "mostly" FPS gaming... the L227WTG-PF or the BenQ V2400WD, assuming money and screen sizes were exactly the same?

Please consider that the user is extremely picky and notices the smallest nuances but doesn't have much more than $400 to spend.Other opinions besides just xtknight's are welcomed here too.

Thx, B

 

[JavaJones]

Thanks very much for the quick response xtknight. I appreciate your insight. So when you talk about a "calibration utility", are you talking about purely software, or a hardware device as well? Do you have any specific recommendations?

As for your specific recommendation, can you describe why you would choose the Dell over the other options I mentioned? I know it is fairly comparable to the other options and I believe HDCP compliant, but is it the best possible option? Remember, money is not a concern here, so I want a recommendation on the best option available.

Thanks!

- Oshyan

 

[you2]

Thanks xtknight - I appreciate the answers. Almost bit on the benq E2200HD (any comments on this monitor) but I'm still heavily bias towards 1600x1200 (btw I'm a shell user even if this monitor is for game playing ). One other monitor that passed by my radar this weekend is the Nec LCD2070NX-BK-2. I can't quite figure this one out. It is around $470 (bit more than the dell and hp but not by much) and $300 or $400 cheaper than NEC other 20 inch monitors. From the spec it appears to be almost identical to more expensive NEC. Hopefully the screen is not a high-gloss. Any ways have you heard of this monitor?
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Ack - a search indicates that you have heard of the LCD2070 and think the HP and dell are better choices. Problem is botht he dell and hp are lottery. Bleh. Seems kind of cheap that vendors can swap panel types without changing models
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Ok another search reveal comments on the E2200HD. It is 1/2 the price of the 20inch monitors but I still lean towards the 20inch. Hum. Pity benq doesn't make a 20inch.


At least back in august you thought the hp was more likely to have an ips panel than the dell. I guess this is probably still the case. Hum. Bleh. Should just probably bite the bullet.

 

[freejrs]

I have finally made up my mind and ordered a BenQ G2400WD from Play.com for £230. TBH i didnt have much of a choice really, all other monitors in this price range dont have what I need. I was looking at some Samsung's but for this price you get no HDMI/HDPC compatability and no 1:1 pixel mapping either.

I think this monitor will do the job nicely.

When I have a chance I will post my thoughts on here as I see there is a lot of interest in this monitor.

Thanks for this thread XTknight. A great resource indeed.

Cheers.

 

[Otrant]

I can attest that the BenQ 22" E2200HD is a very solid monitor. Bought it for $205CDN at a local computer shop. Best computer related purchase I've ever made.