[Retired] The LCD Thread

[noire]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: noire
Very Nice Job...This thread is very helpfull and informative....well done!!!

I am interested in HP 2475W ...but it seems that many of them have that temperature uniformity issue (green/pink from side to side).....I m starting to think that ALL the LP2475W eventually have THAT problem....is that so?

I live in Greece and I dont have the option to see them to have a personal opinion...thus
Can someone tell me if ALL models have that issue. ???

I wish I knew the answer to this. But to my knowledge, not all have the issue. It hasn't been reported in at least a couple pro reviews. That's why I keep recommending it, although with a note.

Also I m interesting in another model ?P 2442hc, its a TN panel but less expensive and if am going to give more money for HP 2475W and have that green/pink from side to side that I see here http://forums.overclockers.co....12864055&postcount=659 I will be disapointed.

Finally, my questions are All HP LP2475 suffer from this problem?
or there is a possibility to find a good one?

And what your opinion about the HP 2442hc ? If it is even better than 2408h. I think is a good option and I can find it 200? less than the LP2475. The glossy panel doesnt bother me.


Greetings from Greece...keep going the nice job!

I don't know about the HP 2442hc. But, is the BenQ G2400WD or V2400W or G2400W available there? All those BenQs are good choices. The w2408h is a solid choice too.

peolpe if you think that the text below its boring , you are probably right , but take a look in the last 6 lines.


Yes sir, I can find both of them...in almost 330? and 350?, I think G2400WD and V2400W
are the same in terms of picture quality....but the V2400W has more attractive appearance...anyway I dont have the option here to see the panels...I suppose from what I read in the internet...

The panel that I have seen is the TN samsung T220....and is so and so....the CRT BRILLIANCE 109P4 that I have is much much much better....although its very old.

I dont know how to say it in english but the CRT have more accurate colours smaller pixels
(I am able to see the pixels from distance in T220 and the picture was blur) -- Sharpness is the word , I think.

I have been thinking that TFT panels were close to CRT lately, well not in viewing angles, but in terms of picture quality and accuracy ....but eventualy I think I was wrong.....
my phillips was Much better in every term of picture quality.

(lets put out the better viewing angles of IPS panel)

So is a H IPS ,like the LP2475W's, panel give the sense of sharpness more than a TN panel?....that have... lets say HP2408, V2400W, samsung245B+?

not the accuracy of colors...I m talking about the clearness.

thats why I would prefer glossy panels (like HP2448) because I believe this help with the clearness of picture and make colors more vibrant and warm (but i didnt see any glossy panel to be sure)

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Soooooo....lets say I dont mind the viewing angles...I dont mind if green is actually greenner and red is actually less red...BUT...I want to see things CLEAR like in my CRT.. not BLUR and faded out.

Is the LP2475w going to help with that over than a good TN panel?

Or with that panel I will have just better angles...and more accurate colors?.

Or it would be a little difference that I will not be able to see.

 

[neilganon]

Originally posted by: Otrant
I can attest that the BenQ 22" E2200HD is a very solid monitor. Bought it for $205CDN at a local computer shop. Best computer related purchase I've ever made.

Any ghosting? What are your thoughts on its size?

 

[WeelWraith]

I suppose then that I will go with the HP LP2475W.
I have a few questions though:
1.) Do you think the price of this monitor will come down from $600+/- ?
2.) Do you think this monitor will continue to be produced or will it be phased out or discontinued?
3.) Where is the best place to purchase online? This I ask for reasons of "dead pixel policy" and service or return issues. For example, HP sells the monitor directly, but charges a considerable amount for shipping. Amazon.com sell it somewhat cheaper and at over $25, the shipping is free. However, Amazon is not, or may not be an "authorized" HP dealer and thus any problems with a bad monitor then gets referred to who? HP? A Amazon 'sub-company/vendor?

Thanks for any information on this. I've never purchased a monitor that did not come from the store. Computers are another story, but not monitors.

 

[Otrant]

Originally posted by: neilganon

Originally posted by: Otrant
I can attest that the BenQ 22" E2200HD is a very solid monitor. Bought it for $205CDN at a local computer shop. Best computer related purchase I've ever made.

Any ghosting? What are your thoughts on its size?

I have not experienced any ghosting so far, but I don't have extensive experience with LCD's for gaming (I'm upgrading from a 19" Samsung CRT). So far I've played COD4, Company of Heroes, Colonization... no complaints there. The headphone jack is a nice touch for when my PS3 is hooked up to it.

It has a relatively small desktop footprint, the stand could be better, but it's not a huge issue. The native resolution is 1920x1080 so if you're looking to game at that res just be sure that your machine has enough juice. 1920 on a 22" inch is fine for me, although some prefer a 24". Visit a local shop and compare if you're unsure.

For the price though... really can't go wrong. Best of luck in your search.

 

[Dsweiss19]

Xtknight,

First off I want to thank you for all your time and effort. Your information has helped me purchace many monitors for myself and others. It has also helped clarify many issues that I have been puzzled by. So, thank you.

Second, I was hoping you might help me make a descision regarding a monitor.
I currently own the ViewSonic X Series VX922 19" 2ms monitor. I purchased it then mostly because it was recomended as a good gaming monitor. It has served me well. I recently purchased a Blue-Ray drive and because my current monitor is not HDCP compliant I can't watch the Blue-Ray movies. So I am looking to purchase an HDCP compliant monitor that I can watch Blue-Ray movies on. However, my main priority is to have a good monitor for gaming.

So to summarize what I am looking for is the best gaming monitor that will allow me to fully enjoy the quality of Blue-Ray movies. Probably looking for a size between 20-22 inches. A price between 150-350 dollars. This is my main question.

I have noticed there are some newer monitors that are 1920 X 1080. Sounds like it would be great for movies, but will it impact performance for games?
I know a monitor like L227WTG-PF is great for gaming, but will it work well for Blue-Ray movies?

Thank you in advance for taking the time to answer.


Daniel

Case - Antec P180
MOBO - Asus P5n32-Sli SE
Cpu - Intel E6400
Memory- OCZ 2 GiG DDR2-800
Video - MSI 8800 GT
PSU - Antec 550w HeNeo
HD - 2 * WD 250 Gig
Input - Logitech G15 and G5
DVD - Lg Blue-Ray
Monitor - ViewSonic VX922

 

[zaldar]

Ok I expect this may have been answered elsewhere but I don't have time to even scan 309 pages of stuff. Heh

Anyway I haven't been able to find the models you suggest in stores now, the models I have been able to find that seem to be closest to the ones you recommend for gaming are the Samsung Sync Master T220 (which says it has a response time of 2ms) and a Gateway HD 2201.

I am somewhat of a middle in that I want to play games and watch movies on my new monitor. As such I would like to go up to 32 if possible (I am running an ATI Radeon HD 4800 card (not the top one of these but just a step down from the top).

Do you know anything about the monitors I mentioned above and is there a 32 inch one that is reasonable for both movie viewing and gaming? Thanks so much! All of the computer stores I go to I mention response time and I get blank looks.

 

[Mark R]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: noire
Very Nice Job...This thread is very helpfull and informative....well done!!!

I am interested in HP 2475W ...but it seems that many of them have that temperature uniformity issue (green/pink from side to side).....I m starting to think that ALL the LP2475W eventually have THAT problem....is that so?

I live in Greece and I dont have the option to see them to have a personal opinion...thus
Can someone tell me if ALL models have that issue. ???

I wish I knew the answer to this. But to my knowledge, not all have the issue. It hasn't been reported in at least a couple pro reviews. That's why I keep recommending it, although with a note.

It must be something that only affects some examples. I've got a 2475W, and I can't detect any shift in color temperature across the screen. Even if I look for it, and even if I photograph the screen. Same goes for brightness non-uniformity, my example seems to be exceptionally good.

Whether this is just my good luck, or a few others' bad luck, I don't know.

 

[shiznit]

Has anyone bought the E2400HD?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: brencat
Hi xt. Two questions for anyone here.

1. What is the difference in performance between the BenQ G2400WD vs the V2400WD. The "V" is selling for ~ $360 from BenQ's site w/free shipping and the G2400WD sells for ~ $340 + shipping at Newegg. Aside from the ultra-slim profile of the "V", is there any other difference?

Don't know really.[/quote]

2. In terms of pure performance, color accuracy, and other features, which would you pick for "mostly" FPS gaming... the L227WTG-PF or the BenQ V2400WD, assuming money and screen sizes were exactly the same?

Please consider that the user is extremely picky and notices the smallest nuances but doesn't have much more than $400 to spend.Other opinions besides just xtknight's are welcomed here too.

Thx, B

I haven't used the V2400W but I know the L227W is a great choice for a gamer. Not sure if he prefers glossy/wide gamut or standard/normal gamut.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: JavaJones
Thanks very much for the quick response xtknight. I appreciate your insight. So when you talk about a "calibration utility", are you talking about purely software, or a hardware device as well? Do you have any specific recommendations?

It's hardware with drivers and software to support the hardware (colorimeter). It's a puck you place on your screen that measures color. Check the calibration section in the OP. I use the Eye One Display 2.

As for your specific recommendation, can you describe why you would choose the Dell over the other options I mentioned? I know it is fairly comparable to the other options and I believe HDCP compliant, but is it the best possible option? Remember, money is not a concern here, so I want a recommendation on the best option available.

Thanks!

- Oshyan

The Dell is the one I know best, and it was the cheapest last time I checked although it always depends where you order from. Dell's online store has a good return policy (not sure about others). So it's more a lack of knowledge about the others more than anything else but either way the Dell 3007WFP-HC can't be a bad choice. The HP LP3065 is essentially the same thing. The Samsung though is an S-PVA and I wouldn't recommend it over the similarly-sized IPS panels.

The NEC LCD3090WQXi and 3008WFP are extremely expensive, and just aren't worth it for most people. But if you feel you need amazing accuracy, the NEC is what you'd get. I guess there'd be a couple benefits to that. If you get the NEC though be sure you get the SpectraView calibrator and nothing else, otherwise it's not really worth it. The NEC would offer maybe 10-15% better accuracy than the comparable options, so you can debate as to whether that's worth the price difference. It's not an easy decision although as an owner of the LCD2690, in hindsight I can say I would have saved money and gotten a panel half as cheap if one with comparable features existed at the time. (Right now I'd say HP LP2475w and Planar PX2611W are the prime LCD2690WUXi rivals, even though the HP is a bit smaller.)

And, the 3008WFP is basically the same as the 3007WFP-HC with more multimedia inputs.

 

[Eluros]

I want to let you guys know that I used to have a generic 19" TN monitor. I'm typing this from my HP LP2475W-- a big 24", the IPS panel. It's incredible! It's factory settings came extremely bright, but I turned down the brightness and its fine. I'm looking pretty closely and I see no dead or stuck pixels. Man... I'm going to love gaming in 1920x1200! Now I just need a new video card-- my 8800 GTS probably won't cut it. ;-)

If only used for movies and gaming (not professional art design), should I still bother to calibrate it? I don't want to purchase any software, but if I don't have to, I'd be willing to give it a shot.

 

[harle]

I just wanted to give you guys the heads up that NCIX has the BenQ G2400WD for $270.48 + shipping. Shipping was about $30 for me.

Link

I hope all of the recommendations for this monitor are right.

 

[qz33]

Hey xtknight,

Do you think you could/want to update the first post about the dot pitch calculator in Russian? English is available.

Your link is http://lcdtech.no-ip.info/data/pixel.size.htm but if you use http://lcdtech.no-ip.info/en/data/pixel.size.htm

http://lcdtech.no-ip.info/en/data/pixel.size.htm you can get it all in good ol' American.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: Eluros
I want to let you guys know that I used to have a generic 19" TN monitor. I'm typing this from my HP LP2475W-- a big 24", the IPS panel. It's incredible! It's factory settings came extremely bright, but I turned down the brightness and its fine. I'm looking pretty closely and I see no dead or stuck pixels. Man... I'm going to love gaming in 1920x1200! Now I just need a new video card-- my 8800 GTS probably won't cut it. ;-)

If only used for movies and gaming (not professional art design), should I still bother to calibrate it? I don't want to purchase any software, but if I don't have to, I'd be willing to give it a shot.

Once you calibrate, you never go back!
I can't stand uncalibrated monitor now, FYI

 

[Josh7289]

So whatever happened to DoubleSight, anyway?

 

[xtknight]

The new list with ergonomics, etc listed is up. I realize the sRGB Photo Editing section is drying up, but many of the models I used to have there are discontinued. And, few standard gamut VA and IPS panels remain. I may start recommending WG monitors there in the future and suggesting profiling.

Originally posted by: you2
Thanks xtknight - I appreciate the answers. Almost bit on the benq E2200HD (any comments on this monitor) but I'm still heavily bias towards 1600x1200 (btw I'm a shell user even if this monitor is for game playing ). One other monitor that passed by my radar this weekend is the Nec LCD2070NX-BK-2. I can't quite figure this one out. It is around $470 (bit more than the dell and hp but not by much) and $300 or $400 cheaper than NEC other 20 inch monitors. From the spec it appears to be almost identical to more expensive NEC. Hopefully the screen is not a high-gloss. Any ways have you heard of this monitor?
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Ack - a search indicates that you have heard of the LCD2070 and think the HP and dell are better choices. Problem is botht he dell and hp are lottery. Bleh. Seems kind of cheap that vendors can swap panel types without changing models
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Ok another search reveal comments on the E2200HD. It is 1/2 the price of the 20inch monitors but I still lean towards the 20inch. Hum. Pity benq doesn't make a 20inch.


At least back in august you thought the hp was more likely to have an ips panel than the dell. I guess this is probably still the case. Hum. Bleh. Should just probably bite the bullet.

I still think the HP may have a higher likelihood of being IPS although have heard of more VAs lately.

I think the LP2065 will work fine for you regardless of whether it's VA or IPS. Unless you're super-sensitive to VA gray shifting.

Originally posted by: noire

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: noire
Very Nice Job...This thread is very helpfull and informative....well done!!!

I am interested in HP 2475W ...but it seems that many of them have that temperature uniformity issue (green/pink from side to side).....I m starting to think that ALL the LP2475W eventually have THAT problem....is that so?

I live in Greece and I dont have the option to see them to have a personal opinion...thus
Can someone tell me if ALL models have that issue. ???

I wish I knew the answer to this. But to my knowledge, not all have the issue. It hasn't been reported in at least a couple pro reviews. That's why I keep recommending it, although with a note.

Also I m interesting in another model ?P 2442hc, its a TN panel but less expensive and if am going to give more money for HP 2475W and have that green/pink from side to side that I see here http://forums.overclockers.co....12864055&postcount=659 I will be disapointed.

Finally, my questions are All HP LP2475 suffer from this problem?
or there is a possibility to find a good one?

And what your opinion about the HP 2442hc ? If it is even better than 2408h. I think is a good option and I can find it 200? less than the LP2475. The glossy panel doesnt bother me.


Greetings from Greece...keep going the nice job!

I don't know about the HP 2442hc. But, is the BenQ G2400WD or V2400W or G2400W available there? All those BenQs are good choices. The w2408h is a solid choice too.

peolpe if you think that the text below its boring , you are probably right , but take a look in the last 6 lines.


Yes sir, I can find both of them...in almost 330? and 350?, I think G2400WD and V2400W
are the same in terms of picture quality....but the V2400W has more attractive appearance...anyway I dont have the option here to see the panels...I suppose from what I read in the internet...

The panel that I have seen is the TN samsung T220....and is so and so....the CRT BRILLIANCE 109P4 that I have is much much much better....although its very old.

I dont know how to say it in english but the CRT have more accurate colours smaller pixels
(I am able to see the pixels from distance in T220 and the picture was blur) -- Sharpness is the word , I think.

I have been thinking that TFT panels were close to CRT lately, well not in viewing angles, but in terms of picture quality and accuracy ....but eventualy I think I was wrong.....
my phillips was Much better in every term of picture quality.

(lets put out the better viewing angles of IPS panel)

So is a H IPS ,like the LP2475W's, panel give the sense of sharpness more than a TN panel?....that have... lets say HP2408, V2400W, samsung245B+?

not the accuracy of colors...I m talking about the clearness.

thats why I would prefer glossy panels (like HP2448) because I believe this help with the clearness of picture and make colors more vibrant and warm (but i didnt see any glossy panel to be sure)

Panel type is irrelevant to the "clearness" (best described as small dot pitch and high transmissivity/gloss). Contrast can make just a tad bit of difference, but IPS panels don't really have higher contrast than TNs; only VAs do.

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Soooooo....lets say I dont mind the viewing angles...I dont mind if green is actually greenner and red is actually less red...BUT...I want to see things CLEAR like in my CRT.. not BLUR and faded out.

Is the LP2475w going to help with that over than a good TN panel?

Or with that panel I will have just better angles...and more accurate colors?.

Or it would be a little difference that I will not be able to see.

You won't get the clear glass and small dot pitch look, but you will at least get punchy colors. And you will get very good viewing angles. So it might help a little that the panel is H-IPS and wide gamut. The key ingredients, super-fine dot pitch, glass/gloss coating, and super high contrast, however are not really there.

Still, I'd think the LP2475w's image would be very pleasing. Maybe not up to your expectations.

For one thing, LCDs have square pixels with black borders. CRTs have them in triads (shadow mask) or stripes (aperture grille) with a more natural border of the phosphor coating. That's why you get screen door effect on LCDs.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: WeelWraith
I suppose then that I will go with the HP LP2475W.
I have a few questions though:
1.) Do you think the price of this monitor will come down from $600+/- ?

Nope, it will probably remain here forever.

2.) Do you think this monitor will continue to be produced or will it be phased out or discontinued?

It will probably be produced for quite a long time like the HP LP2465.

3.) Where is the best place to purchase online? This I ask for reasons of "dead pixel policy" and service or return issues. For example, HP sells the monitor directly, but charges a considerable amount for shipping. Amazon.com sell it somewhat cheaper and at over $25, the shipping is free. However, Amazon is not, or may not be an "authorized" HP dealer and thus any problems with a bad monitor then gets referred to who? HP? A Amazon 'sub-company/vendor?

It's funny you ask me about Amazon's policy but even more ironic if you call Amazon it might take you a day to get a reliable answer on that too.

Thanks for any information on this. I've never purchased a monitor that did not come from the store. Computers are another story, but not monitors.

I usually just order from Newegg and take the gamble, honestly. And I think you always deal with the manufacturer if something goes wrong. But about Amazon not being an "authorized dealer", then I don't know what happens.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Dsweiss19
Xtknight,

First off I want to thank you for all your time and effort. Your information has helped me purchace many monitors for myself and others. It has also helped clarify many issues that I have been puzzled by. So, thank you.

Second, I was hoping you might help me make a descision regarding a monitor.
I currently own the ViewSonic X Series VX922 19" 2ms monitor. I purchased it then mostly because it was recomended as a good gaming monitor. It has served me well. I recently purchased a Blue-Ray drive and because my current monitor is not HDCP compliant I can't watch the Blue-Ray movies. So I am looking to purchase an HDCP compliant monitor that I can watch Blue-Ray movies on. However, my main priority is to have a good monitor for gaming.

So to summarize what I am looking for is the best gaming monitor that will allow me to fully enjoy the quality of Blue-Ray movies. Probably looking for a size between 20-22 inches. A price between 150-350 dollars. This is my main question.

I have noticed there are some newer monitors that are 1920 X 1080. Sounds like it would be great for movies, but will it impact performance for games?

Your video card will have to work a little harder for 1920x1080 vs 1680x1050, but not much more, really. Much less than if you turned on 4xAA supersampling at 1680x1050. And at the dot pitch 1920x1080 offers you, you won't need much AA anyway.

I know a monitor like L227WTG-PF is great for gaming, but will it work well for Blue-Ray movies?

Thank you in advance for taking the time to answer.


Daniel

Case - Antec P180
MOBO - Asus P5n32-Sli SE
Cpu - Intel E6400
Memory- OCZ 2 GiG DDR2-800
Video - MSI 8800 GT
PSU - Antec 550w HeNeo
HD - 2 * WD 250 Gig
Input - Logitech G15 and G5
DVD - Lg Blue-Ray
Monitor - ViewSonic VX922

The LG will work great for both. You can never be sure about compatibility between monitors and set-top-boxes like BluRay players, although I assume you're using a BluRay drive so you won't have that issue.

The newer BenQ 22" 1080 display is probably decent too...it's just too early to tell though. And that's a pretty high res in such a small size for desktop use. I have to say the LG is still my best 22" recommendation at this point in time.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: zaldar
Ok I expect this may have been answered elsewhere but I don't have time to even scan 309 pages of stuff. Heh

Anyway I haven't been able to find the models you suggest in stores now, the models I have been able to find that seem to be closest to the ones you recommend for gaming are the Samsung Sync Master T220 (which says it has a response time of 2ms) and a Gateway HD 2201.

I do actually recommend the T220 now due to favorable pro reviews.

I am somewhat of a middle in that I want to play games and watch movies on my new monitor. As such I would like to go up to 32 if possible (I am running an ATI Radeon HD 4800 card (not the top one of these but just a step down from the top).

Do you know anything about the monitors I mentioned above and is there a 32 inch one that is reasonable for both movie viewing and gaming? Thanks so much! All of the computer stores I go to I mention response time and I get blank looks.

The Sharp LC-32GP1U is a good 32" monitor. I just removed the HTPC section from my OP though due to a general inability to maintain it. This is avsforum territory.

Hope that helps.

Originally posted by: Mark R

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: noire
Very Nice Job...This thread is very helpfull and informative....well done!!!

I am interested in HP 2475W ...but it seems that many of them have that temperature uniformity issue (green/pink from side to side).....I m starting to think that ALL the LP2475W eventually have THAT problem....is that so?

I live in Greece and I dont have the option to see them to have a personal opinion...thus
Can someone tell me if ALL models have that issue. ???

I wish I knew the answer to this. But to my knowledge, not all have the issue. It hasn't been reported in at least a couple pro reviews. That's why I keep recommending it, although with a note.

It must be something that only affects some examples. I've got a 2475W, and I can't detect any shift in color temperature across the screen. Even if I look for it, and even if I photograph the screen. Same goes for brightness non-uniformity, my example seems to be exceptionally good.

Whether this is just my good luck, or a few others' bad luck, I don't know.

Well, that's music to my ears, at least.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: qz33
Hey xtknight,

Do you think you could/want to update the first post about the dot pitch calculator in Russian? English is available.

Your link is http://lcdtech.no-ip.info/data/pixel.size.htm but if you use http://lcdtech.no-ip.info/en/data/pixel.size.htm

http://lcdtech.no-ip.info/en/data/pixel.size.htm you can get it all in good ol' American.

Yup, fixed it. Thanks for letting me know.

Originally posted by: harle
I just wanted to give you guys the heads up that NCIX has the BenQ G2400WD for $270.48 + shipping. Shipping was about $30 for me.

Link

I hope all of the recommendations for this monitor are right.

Wow...very cheap.

Originally posted by: Josh7289
So whatever happened to DoubleSight, anyway?

Well, their DS-265W apparently has a couple downfalls and Planar offers better service. And none of the DS-265Ws have the polarizer to my knowledge.

 

[Josh7289]

Quality is obviously the most important thing in a list of the best LCDs, but the DS-265W is cheaper than the Planar, so that's something to consider. Unless it's got some serious problems, I think it warrants a mention in the list.... I think...

 

[JavaJones]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: JavaJones
Thanks very much for the quick response xtknight. I appreciate your insight. So when you talk about a "calibration utility", are you talking about purely software, or a hardware device as well? Do you have any specific recommendations?

It's hardware with drivers and software to support the hardware (colorimeter). It's a puck you place on your screen that measures color. Check the calibration section in the OP. I use the Eye One Display 2.

OK, yes, I'm familiar with these. Just making sure you were referring to hardware.

As for your specific recommendation, can you describe why you would choose the Dell over the other options I mentioned? I know it is fairly comparable to the other options and I believe HDCP compliant, but is it the best possible option? Remember, money is not a concern here, so I want a recommendation on the best option available.

Thanks!

- Oshyan

The Dell is the one I know best, and it was the cheapest last time I checked although it always depends where you order from. Dell's online store has a good return policy (not sure about others). So it's more a lack of knowledge about the others more than anything else but either way the Dell 3007WFP-HC can't be a bad choice. The HP LP3065 is essentially the same thing. The Samsung though is an S-PVA and I wouldn't recommend it over the similarly-sized IPS panels.

As I said price is not a big concern for me. But it's good to know the Dell and HP are both options. I'm inclined toward S-IPS myself, but some reviews made it sound as if the difference with newer alternatives was not so great these days.

The NEC LCD3090WQXi and 3008WFP are extremely expensive, and just aren't worth it for most people. But if you feel you need amazing accuracy, the NEC is what you'd get. I guess there'd be a couple benefits to that. If you get the NEC though be sure you get the SpectraView calibrator and nothing else, otherwise it's not really worth it. The NEC would offer maybe 10-15% better accuracy than the comparable options, so you can debate as to whether that's worth the price difference. It's not an easy decision although as an owner of the LCD2690, in hindsight I can say I would have saved money and gotten a panel half as cheap if one with comparable features existed at the time. (Right now I'd say HP LP2475w and Planar PX2611W are the prime LCD2690WUXi rivals, even though the HP is a bit smaller.)

And, the 3008WFP is basically the same as the 3007WFP-HC with more multimedia inputs.

I don't think I need that level of accuracy, and the cost is definitely in the "luxury" and really unnecessary range. I'm willing to pay a bit of a premium to get quality, but at literally twice the price of other options, the NEC is not worth it without significant additional advantages.

I can't wait until this tech matures and we see 30" displays with full gamut, LED backlighting (or better), and full on-screen controls.

Thanks again!

- Oshyan

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Josh7289
Quality is obviously the most important thing in a list of the best LCDs, but the DS-265W is cheaper than the Planar, so that's something to consider. Unless it's got some serious problems, I think it warrants a mention in the list.... I think...

Ya I think I will recommend it actually, as it is one of the few IPS panels out there. Although, I feel the HP LP2475w and Planar PX2611W are better overall packages. The DS-265W does not even have brightness control of the backlight (only the LC cells) so this is something that will be noted.

 

[albovin]

Hi xtknight,
I keep recommending your great resource wherever possible.

I received feedback from people I referred to this site regarding the Samsung 2493HM.
They say it's presence in gaming section can be justified by low input lag.
But multimedia? This model received negative review at prad.de. We can argue with their conclusions (sometimes they make mistakes), but anything below "good" in their verdict is a warning sign. The lack of scaling makes it PC-confined. That means "limited"media which is opposite to "multi"media.
To be honest, a couple of one-input 30" "limitedmedia" monitors provokes the same concern.

The biggest surprise is to see a TN model among recommended for photo editing.
Yes, we can edit photo on TN if we have nothing else. In this case this is not "out of the question". But I would never recommend doing so.

Similar (if not the same panel, photo from hardforum.com) 24" TN:
http://img357.imageshack.us/im...0wverticalcolorau0.jpg

I have just tested a new 28" TN monitor (not posted yet). I convinced myself one more time: there is nothing worse for photo quality than a TN monitor - whatever we say about TN "progress" , etc., etc.

Lagom test: vertical color shift is obvious. We can live with it (just $400 for 28"!) but recommending for photo editing.... I am sorry...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0-tL...S4Gc/s1600-h/lagom.jpg

Back to PHOTO EDITING/WEB DESIGN section.
There is a nice monitor that is actually the King of 1600x1200 - the NEC 2190UXi.
It has all 2490 features (except for A-TW polarizer and widescreen resolution). It's max CR is little lower. This is the only IPS monitor with non-LG panel on the consumer market.
It features NEC-made panel.
This monitor is still available.
IMHO it is #2 in this area.
I cannot offer any links in English but this one:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...sional-monitors_2.html
This article has mistakes (don't look at white/black/CR measurements - they are wrong at xbitlabs, also "cristal" effect can be seen on any panel, etc.), but it gives good general info about the monitor.

With respect to your tremendous work.

 

[brencat]

Originally posted by: xtknight
I haven't used the V2400W but I know the L227W is a great choice for a gamer. Not sure if he prefers glossy/wide gamut or standard/normal gamut.

xt, I finally saw an LG-L227WTG in person today and it is by far the best 22" monitor I have ever seen -- totally blows away anything Samsung has or used to have IMO, as well as most of their 24" TN-based line. I actually think the glossy screen adds to the vibrancy too, but it's not overbearing like with the HP 2408.

Only issue I have to resolve is whether or not something like the BenQ G2400WD at 24" would be worth stepping up to for an extra $100. That would be a sight-unseen purchase, however since no one carries BenQ anywhere near me. Any thoughts?