[Retired] The LCD Thread

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: descartes2140
Question for you guys. I have then NEC 20wmgx2 and I am looking for either 2 monitors to replace it or a single monitor to go along with it. Any ideas. The NEC is, I believe an AS-IPS panel, anything similar and easy to purchase in the 20" range.

Thanks.

There aren't too many options, sadly. You might somehow fit an HP LP2475w into your configuration, which is another IPS panel.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Glumwheels
I'm looking for a 24" gaming monitor and I'm not really impressed with the Benq or Samsung lcds under gaming. My main concern is I want something with low input lag, great scaling, and black that looks black not shades of grey. Viewing angles won't be an issue.

Is the Planar really worth $800 if all I'm going to do is game on it? I'm willing to spend the money but I think it's overkill for what I want.

Have you actually tried the G2400WD or 2493HM? If not, I would. They have some of the deepest blacks in the biz, even when compared to VA or IPS panels. The TNs have low input lag, and also the BenQ has a plethora of scaling options.

The next best option is an HP LP2475w, which shouldn't have input lag that is too noticeable. The PX2611W does have less input lag.

 

[Glumwheels]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Glumwheels
I'm looking for a 24" gaming monitor and I'm not really impressed with the Benq or Samsung lcds under gaming. My main concern is I want something with low input lag, great scaling, and black that looks black not shades of grey. Viewing angles won't be an issue.

Is the Planar really worth $800 if all I'm going to do is game on it? I'm willing to spend the money but I think it's overkill for what I want.

Have you actually tried the G2400WD or 2493HM? If not, I would. They have some of the deepest blacks in the biz, even when compared to VA or IPS panels. The TNs have low input lag, and also the BenQ has a plethora of scaling options.

The next best option is an HP LP2475w, which shouldn't have input lag that is too noticeable. The PX2611W does have less input lag.

No one stocks either of those monitors where i live but I'm not a fan of the Samsung due to the lack of 1:1. I'm a little wary about BenQ monitors, a friend had an older one and I didn't like it.

I've seen quite a few complaints about the LP2475w, people recieving bad panels etc so I've ruled that out. I'm really picky, I'm still using my NEC FP2141 CRT that's about 6 years old.

 

[xxTurbonium]

Hello all,

I'm in need of a new monitor. I desire the following specs, in order of relevance (highest priority to lowest).

- around 160CAD or less
- 1440x900 or better (would rather 1680x1050)
- low input lag / little to no ghosting : 5ms GTG or faster
- minimal to no banding
- black cabinet (no gloss)

Is there anything out there that would fit the bill? I was hoping to get a deal while boxing day sales are still around.

I would normally find something on my own, but there's way too many models out these days and I'm out of the loop, so I don't want to make a bad decision. So far though, I've found:

Acer AL2216WBD for $160 (sold out online so probably locally as well)
LG W2052TQ for $150 (ugly cabinet though)
LG W1934S-BN for $130 <- I think I'm going with this one
Samsung 2053BW for $160 + shipping (glossy cabinet though)

If you have any other recommendations, let me know.

 

[scotyard]

Hi,

please can you recommend a 22" monitor for gaming? i have a HD 4850 GFX card. Also, the monitor will also be used for watching movies n suefing the net.

thank you.

 

[10e]

I would take the W2052TQ or Samsung 2053BW. Aesthetics of the cabinet are no good if you aren't happy with the image.

Originally posted by: databird
Hello all,

I'm in need of a new monitor. I desire the following specs, in order of relevance (highest priority to lowest).

- around 160CAD or less
- 1440x900 or better (would rather 1680x1050)
- low input lag / little to no ghosting : 5ms GTG or faster
- minimal to no banding
- black cabinet (no gloss)

Is there anything out there that would fit the bill? I was hoping to get a deal while boxing day sales are still around.

I would normally find something on my own, but there's way too many models out these days and I'm out of the loop, so I don't want to make a bad decision. So far though, I've found:

Acer AL2216WBD for $160 (sold out online so probably locally as well)
LG W2052TQ for $150 (ugly cabinet though)
LG W1934S-BN for $130 <- I think I'm going with this one
Samsung 2053BW for $160 + shipping (glossy cabinet though)

If you have any other recommendations, let me know.

 

[ibex333]

I also need recommendations for a good 22" monitor for gaming/movies.

Some main points:

1)The absolute max price is $250 shipped. Might go a bit higher if it's really worth it, but would strongly prefer not to.
2)Hopefully no speakers.
3)A "good looking" monitor would be nice, but I always prefer the actual quality over cosmetics.
4)What's up with these new 1080p HDMI monitors? Does this mean that non HDMI monitors are not capable of showing HD content? I don't get it... I guess I'm like to get a monitor capable of 1080p if I can...
5)I'm planning to use this for at least the next 3-4 years, so I need the absolute best I can get for my money.
6)I prefer that the monitor stand allows to lower the screen as close as possible to the surface of the table. My ViewSonic can do this, and because of it I can fit it allowing only an 18" clearance when the monitor is 17". Off course this is NOT required, since my table can be modified to accommodate any monitor size

Judging from the reviews and the price, the best one I found on newegg was this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824001268




I understand I'll need to get a better video card than the one in my sig, but I'm planning to to take care of that down the road.

 

[xxTurbonium]

Originally posted by: 10e
I would take the W2052TQ or Samsung 2053BW. Aesthetics of the cabinet are no good if you aren't happy with the image.

True. And there's always paint.
Though the only thing really keeping me from getting the W1934S-BN instead is the lack of DVI.

For the record, here is the ideal look I would want: http://www.futureshop.ca/multi...cts/large/10107785.jpg

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: 10e
Hey XTKnight,

Merry X-mas and Happy New Year

I was thinking that the Dell 2709W might be a strong multimedia candidate for the list.

I bought this in August on a very special one-day only Dell Canada deal, and my plan was to keep or sell depending on satisfaction level. My aim was to have a monitor that could fulfill my console gaming and movie watching needs, as my NEC only has two digital connections which is not sufficient for me, as I need 3 (and preferably 4) for cable box HD use, PS3, Xbox 360, and PC (as a second screen)

I ended up keeping it and sold other monitors because I've been so satisfied with it. To be honest it has exceeded almost all expectations. Other than hardcore FPS gaming (due to some input lag), it has been phenomenal in console and movie duty.

So far it's been excellent with component, VGA and HDMI based consoles. I've tried the PS3 over component and HDMI, the Xbox 360 over component, HDMI, and VGA, and a Wii over component, and the Dell has taken them all with aplomb, not showing any overscan or image distortion over HDMI, and minimal overscan of 2% per side over component but perfect scaling. It also has the ability to do video or graphics mode over HDMI. This allows either video level black/limited range (16 to 255 RGB) and slight overscan with 16:9 and 4:3 ratios, or computer level RGB/full range (0 to 255 RGB) and scaling of 1:1, aspect, and fill over "graphics mode". In video mode it will even display 480p properly, which is a challenge for most other screens. They display it at 3:2 in aspect scaling mode, while the Dell can do 16:9 in video mode over HDMI and component. Very flexible.

It also helps that it has four digital connectors (HDMI, DVIx2, DisplayPort), and three analog (composite, VGA and component)

I have also run input lag testing on it, and have averaged around 40ms. It seems to be a very tiny, almost unnoticeable amount slower than my LCD2690WUXI. I do notice the lag on both screens, but it isn't enough to drive me crazy, and for console gaming both are great. I haven't needed to calibrate GH or Rock Band for it due to lag.

Additionally the phenomenal black levels and very good on and off-angle viewing are excellent for movies. I have measured mine at 0.12 cdm/2 black and 145 cdm/2 white at 5 brightness, so it can go quite low without panel blocking/digital darkening down to very respectable levels. I've even been able to calibrate it to less than 0.5 DE94 with BasicColor 4.1.8 and Eye One D2 from NEC, (verified by Blue Eye Pro). I was also concerned about off-angle gamma shifting of dark colors, but so far I have been impressed with this. It is slightly "shiftier" than my H-IPS based NEC 26", but far less so than other A-MVA and S-MVA variants I've used. Again it has met and exceeded my expectations here. Reading forums with dark grey backgrounds don't result in the "cross eyed" stereogram feeling that I've had with VAs in the past. Part of this as well is due to the larger pixel pitch, and the ability to sit back more than an arms' length away and be comfortable in viewing.

I would say the only caveats to this screen are the initially slow warm up for the backlight, which improves over usage/ownership time, input lag, and horridly de-saturated sRGB mode. It can even be used as a Photo editing screen for Adobe RGB due to its wide gamut screen, but this requires a good calibration suite like the Eye One D2, which adds a good $200.00 to the price, bringing it up to, or past LCD2x90Wuxi levels.

Happy 2009 to you as well!

Thanks for the review. I've added it to Multimedia, Print Editing, and Office Work as I'm quite confident in the Dell panels as well.

The NEC panels have 2 frames of lag and sometimes 3, while the 2709W according to prad has a constant 3, so that would explain the "mild" difference you noticed in lag. Of course, DigitalVersus insists there is more but what can I do... I would trust you that this panel is usable and DigitalVersus has given high figures all too many times.

 

[darkrisen2003]

So whats the best that 400$ ( Max ) could get me? prefer widescreen, HDCP, HDMI, 19x12 resolution, 24 or better screen size.

 

[Kezix]

Is there any possibility of getting the gaming monitors list expanded? It just seems like there should be way more than simply 7 monitors suitable for gaming.

There aren't many options in that list. Your #1 listing is a glossy panel... which IMO are absolute crap. If I want every little thing to reflect on my screen I'll put a mirror on the front of it.

Does LG have a 24" version that would be #1 as well? If I want a 24" that is the best at everything (mainly gaming) then that BenQ really is the way to go? The reviews I see on newegg about bad colors and such don't seem very positive.

The Samsung not being good at scaling seems ridiculous...

The Acer... another glossy panel? Come on...

The Planar for $820 seems good but shouldn't it be #1? But maybe that's because it doesn't have an HDMI input? Which for $820 seems like a really, really bad deal.

And then boom a 30" at the bottom. So for a 24" I have really only one choice according to your list that would fit my needs.

Maybe I am just reluctant because I've never seen a BenQ or known anyone with one, I can't find it at any stores to see it first, and the reviews on Newegg don't make me feel confident it is a good buy. Maybe I shouldn't be letting those bad reviews bug me...

I have had this ViewSonic X Series VX2025WM 20" monitor for a couple years now and I have been happy with it, except that I do notice some very slight input lag (I think) in some games.

It's hardly noticeable really and even though I am gaming 80% of the time it hasn't bothered me, but I would like to get a monitor without any input lag AND be a 24" AND have the same picture quality, at least. If the BenQ is that then I'm sold.

Forgive me if this is yet another post like 100 others in this thread asking you to restate what you've already put in your original post. Thanks for your time and expertise!

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: brencat
Just thought I'd throw this out there after a bit of googling and not finding much...

Anyone here have an Asus 26" VK266H or VW266H (webcam/non-webcam) ? Looks like Newegg reviews are 86% positive and it's selling for $380 shipped for the next couple days, although I would never buy from them given their horrible dead pixel policy.

Hardly any pro reviews on this monitor since they only came out around Halloween. How are Asus' monitors generally speaking from a quality perspective relative to someone like a BenQ or LG?

ASUS's LCDs are not bad. They have had a couple of good models. It's too dependent on the model number to make a generalization about the brand, but BenQ has been putting out a lot of good LCDs lately relative to other companies.

Originally posted by: Glumwheels

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Glumwheels
I'm looking for a 24" gaming monitor and I'm not really impressed with the Benq or Samsung lcds under gaming. My main concern is I want something with low input lag, great scaling, and black that looks black not shades of grey. Viewing angles won't be an issue.

Is the Planar really worth $800 if all I'm going to do is game on it? I'm willing to spend the money but I think it's overkill for what I want.

Have you actually tried the G2400WD or 2493HM? If not, I would. They have some of the deepest blacks in the biz, even when compared to VA or IPS panels. The TNs have low input lag, and also the BenQ has a plethora of scaling options.

The next best option is an HP LP2475w, which shouldn't have input lag that is too noticeable. The PX2611W does have less input lag.

No one stocks either of those monitors where i live but I'm not a fan of the Samsung due to the lack of 1:1. I'm a little wary about BenQ monitors, a friend had an older one and I didn't like it.

I've seen quite a few complaints about the LP2475w, people recieving bad panels etc so I've ruled that out. I'm really picky, I'm still using my NEC FP2141 CRT that's about 6 years old.

1:1 support on the monitor is irrelevant unless you're doing console gaming. Your video card should be able to do it as well. I assume that the video card control panels have been fixed by now to include it for all cards.

If you're eliminating the LP2475w you'll probably still be using your CRT for awhile. Unless you're willing to shell out for the PX2611W. A lot of the monitors that are exceptional aren't available in brick and mortar stores. You can certainly find good ones there, but it sounds like you're looking for something exceptional.

Yup a few people with the LP2475w have had issues with hues at the side of the screen, although others have not. The PX2611W doesn't have any issues with the screen and never did to my best knowledge. It also has one of the lowest input lags in the biz, second only to TN panels. If you're not going to take a risk on the HP you'll be shelling out for the Planar which has less input lag although also less inputs. I'm not sure if you needed extra inputs or not for console gaming.

If this is any consolation: http://forums.overclockers.co....12883472&postcount=670

 

[Gatss]

It's been a while since I posted but it looks like the deal I got on my Viewsonic VX2435WM may have been too good to be true. It seems to be shorting out every so often. The screen goes black as if its lost power or signal, then if I gently shake it, the signal is reacquired or it just comes right back on. The problem is I can't make it happen by shaking the monitor, it's just random. My thoughts are that the monitor may be getting too hot when I use it all day, but I don't think that should happen.

Anyway, I am at the point where it has happened enough times that I want to see if I can get an RMA and return it to Viewsonic for a replacement. The trouble is I spent a lot of research time on this monitor when it was recommended here. Now there are no Viewsonic monitors in the recommendations. My fear is that this monitor is no longer being produced and they will want to replace it with a new model that I have no information on. I would like a 24" VA panel at the very least. Lower input lag and response time are my next most wanted. I use this monitor primarily for web design and gaming.

If you have any Viewsonic recommendations please let me know.

Thanks

 

[Exclusive]

Well, I still now want to know what's the best for a TN panel 24"; price (preferably best bang for buck).

Samsung 2493HM?
BenQ V2400W?
BenQ G2400WD?

Why did the G2400WD replace V2400W is what I'm curious now? If it did 'replace' it, does that mean, the G2400WD is better overall? Is the V2400W leany towards an angle due to its asymmetric-design? What is the best to get now or should I wait till 2009 releases? I want the best picture quality and performance!

 

[DesiPower]

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[10e]

Both the V2400W and G2400WD are still available. They are identical electronics and panel, except the V2400W has a nicer exterior.

Any of these monitors are good. The BenQ advantage is if you are using HDMI consoles, they will show 720p and 1080p perfectly, whereas the samsung will not. For PC only use they are all quite good with low input lag and good response times.

Originally posted by: Exclusive
Well, I still now want to know what's the best for a TN panel 24"; price (preferably best bang for buck).

Samsung 2493HM?
BenQ V2400W?
BenQ G2400WD?

Why did the G2400WD replace V2400W is what I'm curious now? If it did 'replace' it, does that mean, the G2400WD is better overall? Is the V2400W leany towards an angle due to its asymmetric-design? What is the best to get now or should I wait till 2009 releases? I want the best picture quality and performance!

 

[imported_jmg]

is there an LG monitor below 22" that also has better than 2ms response time?

or another make that's 17/19" that has the same?


i'm looking for a monitor that's good for cs 1.6 in particuliar, as its notoriously hard to find one without buying CRT (because of the refresh rate thingy)

 

[darkrisen2003]

how are the LG 24 inch monitors? I have noticed that most of them do not have an HD input.

 

[Exclusive]

Originally posted by: 10e
Both the V2400W and G2400WD are still available. They are identical electronics and panel, except the V2400W has a nicer exterior.

Any of these monitors are good. The BenQ advantage is if you are using HDMI consoles, they will show 720p and 1080p perfectly, whereas the samsung will not. For PC only use they are all quite good with low input lag and good response times.

Originally posted by: Exclusive
Well, I still now want to know what's the best for a TN panel 24"; price (preferably best bang for buck).

Samsung 2493HM?
BenQ V2400W?
BenQ G2400WD?

Why did the G2400WD replace V2400W is what I'm curious now? If it did 'replace' it, does that mean, the G2400WD is better overall? Is the V2400W leany towards an angle due to its asymmetric-design? What is the best to get now or should I wait till 2009 releases? I want the best picture quality and performance!

10e,

Let me ask you. What would YOU choose? Would you still go for the S-PVA monitor as of now (in regards to the Dell 2408WFP)? Or if the TNs, what would you go for? The Samsung? The V2400W? or the G2400WD? I want to hear YOUR opinion.

Thanks man.

oh & also, on the prad.de reviews, it seems like samsung has no input lag at all/very good responsiveness whilst the v2400w has an average 15ms input lag ... any idea?

& does the G2400WD go into power save mode over HDMI? (the g2400w had issues regarding this)

 

[gammaray]

Could i get 2 recommendations for 20" S-IPS panels max 500$ thank you.

 

[Goone40]

XTKnigh,
Do you know if planar 2611 will have hdmi soon really want to buy their 26 inches but no hdmi output or at least another dvi connection, do you have any recommendation IPS panel please, also went and look at the apple 30 inch monitor it is gorous, also does the NEC monitor 2690 equivalent to the picture of apple I know nec have high input lag for game.
thanks

 

[harle]

I recently built one of my family members a computer and chose the benq G2400WD as their monitor. When testing it out, I was VERY pleased with the picture quality. This was out of the box, so there is still room for improvement with the proper adjustments. The input lag on Far Cry 2 and Fallout 3 were non-existent.

 

[Kezix]

Looks like I'm getting a BenQ G2400WD unless something better comes out in the next month. This thread is great, it's too bad it doesn't include every LCD out there!

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: databird
Hello all,

I'm in need of a new monitor. I desire the following specs, in order of relevance (highest priority to lowest).

- around 160CAD or less
- 1440x900 or better (would rather 1680x1050)
- low input lag / little to no ghosting : 5ms GTG or faster
- minimal to no banding
- black cabinet (no gloss)

Is there anything out there that would fit the bill? I was hoping to get a deal while boxing day sales are still around.

I would normally find something on my own, but there's way too many models out these days and I'm out of the loop, so I don't want to make a bad decision. So far though, I've found:

Acer AL2216WBD for $160 (sold out online so probably locally as well)
LG W2052TQ for $150 (ugly cabinet though)
LG W1934S-BN for $130 <- I think I'm going with this one
Samsung 2053BW for $160 + shipping (glossy cabinet though)

If you have any other recommendations, let me know.

I like the 2053BW and AL2216WBD out of these choices. I'm not sure either of these will even be in stock.

Other LCDs you might consider: ASUS VW222u or ASUS VW224u. These are speed demons and are priced well at least in the US. Beyond that you probably have to go shopping at brick and mortar stores.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Kezix
Is there any possibility of getting the gaming monitors list expanded? It just seems like there should be way more than simply 7 monitors suitable for gaming.

There are. These are the seven which I think are the best for gaming. Most any LCD you buy at the store is fine for gaming. But putting every LCD available at Circuit City on the gaming list doesn't do us much good.

The bottom line is, I'm very discriminating and picky about what I put on the recommendations list. Often times that means there will be more higher-priced models than more affordable ones. Although, I do the best I can to also include the lower range. The gaming section is particularly limited simply because of the input lag requirement. And the photo editing section doesn't have many listed either, for good reason.

There aren't many options in that list. Your #1 listing is a glossy panel... which IMO are absolute crap. If I want every little thing to reflect on my screen I'll put a mirror on the front of it.

Does LG have a 24" version that would be #1 as well? If I want a 24" that is the best at everything (mainly gaming) then that BenQ really is the way to go? The reviews I see on newegg about bad colors and such don't seem very positive.

The Samsung not being good at scaling seems ridiculous...

The Acer... another glossy panel? Come on...

The Planar for $820 seems good but shouldn't it be #1? But maybe that's because it doesn't have an HDMI input? Which for $820 seems like a really, really bad deal.

And then boom a 30" at the bottom. So for a 24" I have really only one choice according to your list that would fit my needs.

Maybe I am just reluctant because I've never seen a BenQ or known anyone with one, I can't find it at any stores to see it first, and the reviews on Newegg don't make me feel confident it is a good buy. Maybe I shouldn't be letting those bad reviews bug me...

LG has the 24" W2452T and W2452V, but I haven't seen any decent reviews of either them so I'm a bit reluctant to add them to my list as well. Yet, I've seen a constant stream of good comments about the BenQ displays and review data to support that, like good default color quality per DigitalVersus's measurements.

I have had this http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824116381">ViewSonic X Series VX2025WM</a> 20" monitor for a couple years now and I have been happy with it, except that I do notice some very slight input lag (I think) in some games.

It's hardly noticeable really and even though I am gaming 80% of the time it hasn't bothered me, but I would like to get a monitor without any input lag AND be a 24" AND have the same picture quality, at least. If the BenQ is that then I'm sold.

Forgive me if this is yet another post like 100 others in this thread asking you to restate what you've already put in your original post. Thanks for your time and expertise!

The BenQ, I believe, is what you are looking for. Although the HP LP2475w may also be able to deliver better viewing angles while having an acceptable amount of input lag like your VX2025. The HP may have one more frame than the VX. To my best knowledge you would have to shell out to get the Planar in order to have good image quality (which includes viewing angle) AND very low input lag.

Remember that many people don't comment on retailer review pages unless their product has problems.