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JETninja

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Cool to see this thread still alive and kicking! Great job xtknight! Stiil love my several year old LG 19".

Came here to help a friend so I pointed him to this thread, but I am curious, the latest Budget & Mid Price PC Building Guides here mention some new 21.5" 1080P panels that go for around $200 IIRC. Would love to see some data on them and know how they hold up for gaming and general multimedia. Don't really watch movies on the PC (Have a 61" 1080P LcOS JVC for that) but I love to game, and am doing a lot more Picture viewing and processing since I got my DSLR last Summer. Hope to build a new PC in the next few months and I'll be looking for a new quality widescreen affordible monitor to go with it....

Cheers!
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: Ardan
Originally posted by: xtknight
Hmm which big issues do you mean? I was actually considering recommending that soon, just don't know for sure. The Lenovo L220X is another option though I haven't seen it "in stock" for sure anywhere.

Well a friend of mine had one but returned it because of some green stripes when he used the DVI connection. He later pointed me to youtube, where a search reveals people showing videos of problems with their LP2275w screens, where the most commonplace issue is the interference on the screen (seems to be two green horizontal bands like in my friend's case). I did some looking around, and I saw that both prad and TFT Central mentioned buzzing caused by the backlight inverter that their review samples had. However, people in forums (like Hardforum) have said that HP reportedly fixed that problem. Also, he received a replacement monitor that has no interference on it.

I don't know if TFT Central did, but I saw that prad's review pointed out that they have also had people post in their forums of incidents involving troubles starting up the monitor from sleep mode. Someone has also posted a video demonstrating this on youtube, it appears. I lost the links, but a search of the model doesn't yield a large group of results, so it shouldn't be hard to find. In my search for a monitor, I also saw on newegg that it gets quite the mixed bag of reviews from people, too. However, one of them points out that his replacement screen has had zero problems, though still takes about 30 seconds to come back from sleep mode. A quick look at HP's support forums shows the multitude of people having the same problems with the blue or green lines on the monitor, like this thread, for example.

I also was unsure about the input lag. I noticed that prad describes it as a 'constant' 50ms, but someone in hardforum's displays section and TFT Central measured the average as being 25ms. Digitalversus gets an average of 39 as well. So, I wasn't sure if prad maybe had a bad screen or what, because their number is much higher than 3 other sources. If it really is closer to the 25ms they find, or even the 39ms that digitalversus seems to get, then I would be willing to go for it because it seems to get very good reviews in every other aspect (everyone has told me that they can't find any real backlight bleed). I thought that maybe it would be safer to just go with the H-IPS screen instead because I never heard anything major about that one (other than what you listed on here). Plus, it looks like it has quite a few more connectivity options, but do you know if it does 1:1? I wasn't sure about that one, but it looks like the 2275w does it.

I am glad to hear that people aren't having those issues with replacement models, and of HP fixing the buzzing problem (reportedly). I think it would be a very good deal if that is the case. Unless the color uniformity issue you talk of is a major issue that I'd notice immediately, I'd feel more confident buying that over the LP2275w at this time, because I haven't heard of anybody listing multiple problems like the 2275w. Still, I hope they have that issue under control at this point, but I don't know anyone with it and I haven't searched extensively on that problem to figure that out for myself. Either way, if I had to return a monitor to HP, it wouldn't leave me without a screen to use so I probably would be okay either way.

I don't know about 1:1. But anyway yeah I guess the LP2275w may have a couple issues. Maybe later batches will fix the issues.

Originally posted by: ryedizzel
Hey xtknight,

Have you heard anything about the 20" Acer X203H? I searched this thread but did not find any posts. However Newegg has it on sale for $130 with free shipping (using promo code: EMCABBDDB). Here is a link with the specs:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824009158

P.S. I would mostly use it for Photoshop, but also occasional gaming.

Unfortunately I haven't. Sorry.

Originally posted by: 10e
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: Exclusive
xtknight,

The Dell 2408WFP (A01 Rev) has majorly decreased the input lag from 60 ~ 70ms to 30 ~ 35ms.

That's good to hear. I will try and find a source for this and fix the input lag measurement in the OP.

Here you go:

http://www.hardforum.com/showp...32973874&postcount=982

Not completely definitive, but a good guideline. Originally it was listed as being close to 4 frames (63ms avg or so), but it's down by at least a frame now, which is a little better.

Hmm yea looks like about 3 frames of lag...

Originally posted by: Ingenuitor
Ok now to add more confusion to the choices. Why not just this one Samsung LN52A850 52-Inch 1080p 120Hz LCD HDTV. since I would have a 60" span anyways, why not just one unit. Would this work for my needs. May even save me some money from the way it looks. =)

I don't think that's a good idea. TVs very often have oversaturated and harsh colors and the pixels are huge for computer use. It's not even as high resolution and the 120Hz will probably give you a headache or motion sickness up close.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666
Since I am having so much trouble with my 22" Hanns G monitor, I was wondering if anyone here could recommend a good quality gaming monitor. Glossy LCD preferably and no smaller than 22". Only five months I have had this and it is already dieing on me (massive color fluxuations/vertical lines). I am willing to spend upwards of $400 on it. Also, the monitor will dual-purpose as my TV for video games (X360 as of now, but would prefer if I could play all consoles on it).

The thing I hate most is that when it comes to building a PC, I can pick out the parts off the top of my head for almost any given budget; but when it comes to monitors, I am clueless.

I recommend an LG L227WTG-PF definitely.

Originally posted by: var89
Hello Everyone,

I'm looking to get a LCD TV. I have options of S-PVA panel with around 2000:1 contrast ration. The other option is IPS panel based Hitachi/Panasonic panel with contrast 1000:1.
I don't understand which one will be better. Some say contrast ratio is very important, some say panel is important.
I'm looking for good color accuracy and vivid colors.
Can anyone guide me on this.

var

I don't know really. I do know that S-PVAs produce a really good high contrast picture and the gray shift is really not noticeable on big TVs when you're watching at a distance. VAs also have more brightness at different angles, even if IPS panels are slightly more accurate. I view VAs as TV panels more than IPS. IPS is sort of like a reference, lower contrast monitor, but not exactly a bright and vivid TV.

That said, you might really prefer the IPS. So I can't tell you. If it were me, I would get the IPS just because I do care about color accuracy. And I may have it calibrated as well. I think that most people may even prefer an uncalibrated VA panel just for the contrast. And maybe I would too. I don't think I've seen an IPS TV before. What I'm saying is that if you gave me a blind test I might pick the VA even if I bought the IPS. Having "color accuracy" is a very niche and obsessive concern, which maybe is one of my faults. It's just psychological. You think the panel is better just because it's called IPS...

With monitors, it's different. The lower contrast of IPS is a lot easier to bear and the viewing angles are very easily noticeable up close. IPS does not inherently have more color accuracy than a VA panel. Also, it probably doesn't have more accuracy than a TN panel. It is the viewing angles and properties of these panels ("color shift") that determine how accurate their colors are in actual use. For VA and IPS at a long viewing range away, this difference is [edit: can be] quite insignificant. All 'VA' and 'IPS' really are is a different arrangement of the crystals, causing slightly different black level, viewing angle, and transition speed. Samsung PVA panels do have a lower black level because they have no liquid crystal protrusion (no light leak).

Samsung's high-contrast VA, LED-backlit panels w/ local dimming are very attractive to me at this point. I'm not sure if there is similar technology in IPS panels, which is one reason I might settle for a VA instead.
 

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Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666
Since I am having so much trouble with my 22" Hanns G monitor, I was wondering if anyone here could recommend a good quality gaming monitor. Glossy LCD preferably and no smaller than 22". Only five months I have had this and it is already dieing on me (massive color fluxuations/vertical lines). I am willing to spend upwards of $400 on it. Also, the monitor will dual-purpose as my TV for video games (X360 as of now, but would prefer if I could play all consoles on it).

The thing I hate most is that when it comes to building a PC, I can pick out the parts off the top of my head for almost any given budget; but when it comes to monitors, I am clueless.

I recommend an LG L227WTG-PF definitely.

Why this one? It seems you have a vast knowledge of monitors, but I would also like to know why this one would be best for high-end, fast-paced gaming as opposed to others. Also, between a 22" and a 24", which would you recommend?
 

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Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666
Since I am having so much trouble with my 22" Hanns G monitor, I was wondering if anyone here could recommend a good quality gaming monitor. Glossy LCD preferably and no smaller than 22". Only five months I have had this and it is already dieing on me (massive color fluxuations/vertical lines). I am willing to spend upwards of $400 on it. Also, the monitor will dual-purpose as my TV for video games (X360 as of now, but would prefer if I could play all consoles on it).

The thing I hate most is that when it comes to building a PC, I can pick out the parts off the top of my head for almost any given budget; but when it comes to monitors, I am clueless.

I recommend an LG L227WTG-PF definitely.

Why this one? It seems you have a vast knowledge of monitors, but I would also like to know why this one would be best for high-end, fast-paced gaming as opposed to others. Also, between a 22" and a 24", which would you recommend?

It has almost no input lag, and is one of the fastest panels around
 

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This is going to sound dumb, but here it goes: What do you guys use to clean your LCD monitors? I have a matte LCD2070NX that I've kept impeccable care of with not a single blemish... until today when I sneezed on it. I don't want to screw up the anti-glare coating, so I'm hesitant to touch it with anything out of fear that I'll wipe the coating off. What's the Official and Approved? way to clean a matte display?
 

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Originally posted by: ViRGE
This is going to sound dumb, but here it goes: What do you guys use to clean your LCD monitors? I have a matte LCD2070NX that I've kept impeccable care of with not a single blemish... until today when I sneezed on it. I don't want to screw up the anti-glare coating, so I'm hesitant to touch it with anything out of fear that I'll wipe the coating off. What's the Official and Approved? way to clean a matte display?

A small dab of water, wipe it with a clean cloth, then immediately dry it with a seperate clean cloth.
This works wonders for me (I have glossy coat though). Sometimes if I am too slow the streaks from water remain and I have to polish them out.

Distilled water is preferred to regular water
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666
Since I am having so much trouble with my 22" Hanns G monitor, I was wondering if anyone here could recommend a good quality gaming monitor. Glossy LCD preferably and no smaller than 22". Only five months I have had this and it is already dieing on me (massive color fluxuations/vertical lines). I am willing to spend upwards of $400 on it. Also, the monitor will dual-purpose as my TV for video games (X360 as of now, but would prefer if I could play all consoles on it).

The thing I hate most is that when it comes to building a PC, I can pick out the parts off the top of my head for almost any given budget; but when it comes to monitors, I am clueless.

I recommend an LG L227WTG-PF definitely.

Why this one? It seems you have a vast knowledge of monitors, but I would also like to know why this one would be best for high-end, fast-paced gaming as opposed to others. Also, between a 22" and a 24", which would you recommend?

Well just so you know I didn't pull something out of my hat, look at the #1 LCD I recommend for gaming. And I am also typing on one of them now.

It fits your criteria of 22" and glossy, as well, which I suppose is an added bonus in this market with a limited selection of all-around solid LCD monitors. It has one of the fastest response times for gaming too.

I don't think another 24" panel can compare, except maybe something expensive like the HP LP2475w.
 

var89

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Originally posted by: xtknight



I don't know really. I do know that S-PVAs produce a really good high contrast picture and the gray shift is really not noticeable on big TVs when you're watching at a distance. VAs also have more brightness at different angles, even if IPS panels are slightly more accurate. I view VAs as TV panels more than IPS. IPS is sort of like a reference, lower contrast monitor, but not exactly a bright and vivid TV.

That said, you might really prefer the IPS. So I can't tell you. If it were me, I would get the IPS just because I do care about color accuracy. And I may have it calibrated as well. I think that most people may even prefer an uncalibrated VA panel just for the contrast. And maybe I would too. I don't think I've seen an IPS TV before. What I'm saying is that if you gave me a blind test I might pick the VA even if I bought the IPS. Having "color accuracy" is a very niche and obsessive concern, which maybe is one of my faults. It's just psychological. You think the panel is better just because it's called IPS...

With monitors, it's different. The lower contrast of IPS is a lot easier to bear and the viewing angles are very easily noticeable up close. IPS does not inherently have more color accuracy than a VA panel. Also, it probably doesn't have more accuracy than a TN panel. It is the viewing angles and properties of these panels ("color shift") that determine how accurate their colors are in actual use. For VA and IPS at a long viewing range away, this difference is [edit: can be] quite insignificant. All 'VA' and 'IPS' really are is a different arrangement of the crystals, causing slightly different black level, viewing angle, and transition speed. Samsung PVA panels do have a lower black level because they have no liquid crystal protrusion (no light leak).

Samsung's high-contrast VA, LED-backlit panels w/ local dimming are very attractive to me at this point. I'm not sure if there is similar technology in IPS panels, which is one reason I might settle for a VA instead.

thanks for your reply.
Well at this point in time Panasonic is selling IPS alpha base Tv's at pretty good prices. I think they are IPS-Pro panels, which are the latest.
Samsung and Sony are selling S-PVA panels.

I did have some research done and founfd S-PVA is better for me rather than Panasonic or Hitachi displays which use S-IPS and IPS-pro.

One more question is that can I use this Panasonic IPS based TV as my Monitor as I'm looking to replace my CRT. Panasonic is selling them at attractive prices.

var


 

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Upon seeing that Viewsonic has a 120Hz LCD coming out, as well as Samsung, I think that maybe I will wait to see what reviews of those say. I think those look pretty nice to me, and I'm willing to buy it instead of the 2475W to save money (I don't *need* the LP2475w, just never liked my TN options til now) if they are nice with a higher refresh rate (specs show the vertical refresh rate as 50~120...and even if it wasn't a true 120Hz rate, I still would want to see reviews). I also saw that Dell is coming out with a line of LED-backlit screens too, which caught my eye. It all looks very interesting and perhaps I will wait to see how they turn out in reviews . I'm definitely not going to just brush them off as nonsense like some people do in forums online, because I've never personally used it, heh. If it turns out that they're just merely average, I will get the LP2475w, but that can change if they get great reviews. Considering I do enjoy gaming and i also like watching movies on here, I think I definitely should wait to see how reviews shape up. After all, I would love to save some $$$ if the screen is worth it, and I can afford to wait because my screen isn't broken.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: JETninja
Cool to see this thread still alive and kicking! Great job xtknight! Stiil love my several year old LG 19".

Good to hear.

Came here to help a friend so I pointed him to this thread, but I am curious, the latest Budget & Mid Price PC Building Guides here mention some new 21.5" 1080P panels that go for around $200 IIRC. Would love to see some data on them and know how they hold up for gaming and general multimedia. Don't really watch movies on the PC (Have a 61" 1080P LcOS JVC for that) but I love to game, and am doing a lot more Picture viewing and processing since I got my DSLR last Summer. Hope to build a new PC in the next few months and I'll be looking for a new quality widescreen affordible monitor to go with it....

Cheers!

I'm not too familiar with these panels. No reviews that I can tell.

These are still TN panels so they won't really help you much with photo processing. Have you considered an S-PVA panel like the Lenovo 22" or maybe the HP LP2275w? Hmm, the HP may have a couple issues, although the benefits may outweigh the disadvantages. A poster here commented on the cons of the LP2275w (22") just a few posts ago. It depends how much you want to spend really. The HP LP2475w (24") is the creme de la creme.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: ViRGE
This is going to sound dumb, but here it goes: What do you guys use to clean your LCD monitors? I have a matte LCD2070NX that I've kept impeccable care of with not a single blemish... until today when I sneezed on it. I don't want to screw up the anti-glare coating, so I'm hesitant to touch it with anything out of fear that I'll wipe the coating off. What's the Official and Approved? way to clean a matte display?

Sometimes I just wipe it with my shirt. Really.

Just use water, that's more than enough to clean off snot and liquid...stuff..

If you're paranoid you can try rubbing alcohol. I wouldn't recommend using alcohol unless something terrible happened to your LCD, because it can corrode the surface over time.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: var89
Originally posted by: xtknight



I don't know really. I do know that S-PVAs produce a really good high contrast picture and the gray shift is really not noticeable on big TVs when you're watching at a distance. VAs also have more brightness at different angles, even if IPS panels are slightly more accurate. I view VAs as TV panels more than IPS. IPS is sort of like a reference, lower contrast monitor, but not exactly a bright and vivid TV.

That said, you might really prefer the IPS. So I can't tell you. If it were me, I would get the IPS just because I do care about color accuracy. And I may have it calibrated as well. I think that most people may even prefer an uncalibrated VA panel just for the contrast. And maybe I would too. I don't think I've seen an IPS TV before. What I'm saying is that if you gave me a blind test I might pick the VA even if I bought the IPS. Having "color accuracy" is a very niche and obsessive concern, which maybe is one of my faults. It's just psychological. You think the panel is better just because it's called IPS...

With monitors, it's different. The lower contrast of IPS is a lot easier to bear and the viewing angles are very easily noticeable up close. IPS does not inherently have more color accuracy than a VA panel. Also, it probably doesn't have more accuracy than a TN panel. It is the viewing angles and properties of these panels ("color shift") that determine how accurate their colors are in actual use. For VA and IPS at a long viewing range away, this difference is [edit: can be] quite insignificant. All 'VA' and 'IPS' really are is a different arrangement of the crystals, causing slightly different black level, viewing angle, and transition speed. Samsung PVA panels do have a lower black level because they have no liquid crystal protrusion (no light leak).

Samsung's high-contrast VA, LED-backlit panels w/ local dimming are very attractive to me at this point. I'm not sure if there is similar technology in IPS panels, which is one reason I might settle for a VA instead.

thanks for your reply.
Well at this point in time Panasonic is selling IPS alpha base Tv's at pretty good prices. I think they are IPS-Pro panels, which are the latest.
Samsung and Sony are selling S-PVA panels.

I did have some research done and founfd S-PVA is better for me rather than Panasonic or Hitachi displays which use S-IPS and IPS-pro.

One more question is that can I use this Panasonic IPS based TV as my Monitor as I'm looking to replace my CRT. Panasonic is selling them at attractive prices.

var

What research exactly led you to that conclusion?

I'm not sure IPS TVs are the cat's meow. And really you shouldn't resort to using a huge-pixeled TV just because it's an IPS panel.

Why not try something like the HP LP2475w? Surely that's around the same price or cheaper than the TVs you're looking at. If you want a photo editing quality monitor you also need a good dot pitch and you can't get that from the bigger TVs.
 

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Originally posted by: Ardan
Upon seeing that Viewsonic has a 120Hz LCD coming out, as well as Samsung, I think that maybe I will wait to see what reviews of those say. I think those look pretty nice to me, and I'm willing to buy it instead of the 2475W to save money (I don't *need* the LP2475w, just never liked my TN options til now) if they are nice with a higher refresh rate (specs show the vertical refresh rate as 50~120...and even if it wasn't a true 120Hz rate, I still would want to see reviews). I also saw that Dell is coming out with a line of LED-backlit screens too, which caught my eye. It all looks very interesting and perhaps I will wait to see how they turn out in reviews . I'm definitely not going to just brush them off as nonsense like some people do in forums online, because I've never personally used it, heh. If it turns out that they're just merely average, I will get the LP2475w, but that can change if they get great reviews. Considering I do enjoy gaming and i also like watching movies on here, I think I definitely should wait to see how reviews shape up. After all, I would love to save some $$$ if the screen is worth it, and I can afford to wait because my screen isn't broken.

I'm almost confident you'd be much happier with the LP2475w. New technologies often take time to mature and in the early versions of all these panels you might come across "thrown together" monitors with bad response time control, bad menus, poor compatibility, limited connectivity and ergonomics. You can't say any of those are an issue with the HP. But we will have to see about those new monitors.
 

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Originally posted by: xtknight
I'm almost confident you'd be much happier with the LP2475w. New technologies often take time to mature and in the early versions of all these panels you might come across "thrown together" monitors with bad response time control, bad menus, poor compatibility, limited connectivity and ergonomics. You can't say any of those are an issue with the HP. But we will have to see about those new monitors.

Agreed. I will have to wait regardless and I probably will end up with the LP2475W because you definitely can't go wrong with that. Even though I will no doubt end up with the LP2475W, I can't wait to see reviews of these new screens to see how they turn out. Also, as everyone has pointed out, I hope that 22" IPS-based Dell comes to America because I would absolutely be interested in a 22" IPS Panel . I'm hopeful since TFT Central had news on January 12th that the 2209WA showed up on Dell's Canadian website. Since I can't really buy anything right now anyways, that sure would be nice to have available when I most likely will be buying a screen (March, or early April). I really like S-PVA panels but I would be lying if I said that I wouldn't prefer to have an IPS panel.

Originally posted by: xtknight
These are still TN panels so they won't really help you much with photo processing. Have you considered an S-PVA panel like the Lenovo 22" or maybe the HP LP2275w? Hmm, the HP may have a couple issues, although the benefits may outweigh the disadvantages. A poster here commented on the cons of the LP2275w (22") just a few posts ago. It depends how much you want to spend really. The HP LP2475w (24") is the creme de la creme.

Yeah, I posted that and it looks like early batches had major problems and I have to say that I have seen those screens in person and they look absolutely outstanding even before the replacements. Both people got replacements in a timely manner from HP and the replacements had no problems. When they were interacting with HP on these matters before sending them back, they were told that they were aware of the problems and were making a concerted effort to fix them. Any complaints on their support forums that I've seen are a month or two old, too. It looks like they have fixed the problem (quality control?).

While I haven't actually used it, it looked to be on-par with my Samsung SyncMaster 215TW in image quality/colors (and you all know that this is a good monitor). It looked even better than mine with video, too, but 50% of that is probably because it didn't have annoying backlight bleed. I don't know if it has gotten worse as my monitor has aged or what, but the bleed from the corners of mine is so annoying that it gets into the picture of wide-screen format DVDs. Neither of them had any problems with that at all even with the bum screens. They've also been able to play games like Bioshock, TF2, etc on them without trouble.

So yeah, if you think about color uniformity, backlight bleed and such, none of them had troubles with that. Furthermore, they could use the VGA connection and it wouldn't cause any visual disturbances (really narrows down HP's problem right there, because everyone said that). So yeah, they must've fixed the issues with it (especially considering their replacements don't making a buzzing sound from the inverter anymore). In fact, if something happens that prevents me from being able to comfortably shell out $600-some for the LP2475w, I probably will consider the LP2275w as one of my alternate options .
 

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What would be a nice replacement for my 22" Samsung 226bw newegg link

It's been a great monitor but I'm ready for something bigger. I would like one that's great for FPS gaming (I can't stand ghosting at all). It can be a 24" if its awesome for gaming and picture looks fantastic but I'd assume Im looking more at the 26" range for a decent upgrade from a 22", no? I would prefer to stay around $300 to $500. If that won't cover it what price range am I looking at so I can start saving?

One additional comment. A 22" is actually a 20" stretched? I don't want a stretched screen this time. I want my pixels tight!



 

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I've decided to buy the 2490WUXi but here's a quick question: from which vendor is my best bet in terms of returning the display in the case of dead pixels, etc.? I see that B&H and PC Connection have better pricing than Newegg (which is linked from this thread). Any advice?

Much thanks.

 

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Just to update, I bought my HP lp2475w (from Amazon) a couple of weeks ago.

Unfortunately, I got one with green/pink tinting. It's green tinting on the left half of the screen and pink on the right half. The tint gets stronger near the edges. It's noticeable on white, gray backgrounds. Harder to tell on movies or mixed backgrounds. The reds are very pronounced. I also got 1 bright pixel in the middle of the screen.

I'm going to call HP and get it exchanged.
 

ungco

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Hi people, I'm not really in a dire predicament, but I think some advice would be helpful.

Basically, I'm currently running off my laptop (XPS M1710) screen to do all my work and various multimedia activities. I'm studying graphic design and animation, so I guess colour reproduction would be one of the more important (if not most) factor in my purchase of a secondary display - the only problem is budget constraints. I've only got AU$500 to spend on the thing, which is approximately $350US give or take, so I know I won't be able to get the most brilliant display. After reading countless reviews and having measured the costs, I decided upon the BenQ G2400WT (considering it has the versatile stand and similar display to the V2400W). Still haven't bought it yet though, and since then I found out about the Dell 2209WA, which comes with an IPS panel according to the Australian Dell website. Of course, being a new display, reviews are scarce and I'm reticent to just go by the Cnet review.

So, question is, would it be advisable to wait out for more reviews before I decide or just straight out go for one of them? I love the luxury of the large screen and amount of pixels on the BenQ (and after seeing it in person, was rather impressed), but the IPS screen and reported accuracy of colour on the Dell gives me pause.

On top of my studies, I'm also doing a bit of freelance work on the side, so take that as you will. I don't play many games (the one I play most is Solitaire), but do watch a few movies.

Thanks for reading!
 

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Originally posted by: xtknight


What research exactly led you to that conclusion?

I'm not sure IPS TVs are the cat's meow. And really you shouldn't resort to using a huge-pixeled TV just because it's an IPS panel.

Why not try something like the HP LP2475w? Surely that's around the same price or cheaper than the TVs you're looking at. If you want a photo editing quality monitor you also need a good dot pitch and you can't get that from the bigger TVs.


Well, in that case what is the difference between an LCD TV and a LCD monitor.
If i take let's say 1366 x 768 resolution for '26' inch, that means it has bigger pixels and if i take '22' inch having same resolution means it has smaller pixels. correct me if i'm wrong.

If that is the case then I can't use TV as my Monitor.
 

icered

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I was planning on getting a Benq E2200 HD Flat panel this weekend(My first transition from a CRT to a flat panel)
Specs are as below:
21.5" viewable
16:9 Aspect Ratio
1920x1080 Native resolution
5ms Response time
DVI-D with hdcp
HDMI port

Benq E2200HD

While I was at the store I found out there was a cheaper version of the same monitor - the Benq T2200 HD. Its the same as its slightly more expensive brethren minus the HDMI port, the crappy speakers, the Senseye+Photo image tech and possibly the overdrive mechanism(Benq calls its AMA I guess)

Benq T2200HD

Now the price difference between the two is about $30. My question is whether it is better to go for the cheaper version(the T2200HD which doesn't have the HDMI port)? Reading through forum posts I gather its easy to get an DVI-HDMI adapter if I need to, say connect a PS3/XBOX-360. (I don't own a console right now, but I might after, say 5-6 months)

My second question is supposing I do get the DVI-HDMI adapter for the T2200 HD, what about audio? I have a logitech x-540 5.1 setup. How do I route multi-channel audio to the speaker set then?

My third question is if indeed I get the E2200 HD (which has the HDMI port), how do I route the audio to my speaker system?(This monitor comes with a set of crappy speakers built-in).

What do you guys think?

Thanks,
-IceRed
 

ZealPath

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Well I have to say, it was great to finally be pointed to this thread as it seems like quite a fountain of knowledge, hopefully someone has some suggestions for me.

I have had some pretty notorious difficulties making the adjustment from CRT to LCD. I'm not one of those "oh I'll just wait until the next technology" type people, I really want to like LCDs, so far it just seems like they don't like me. One thing that has always been an issue for me is readability, I do play a lot of games, but games have never been the issue, quite the opposite. I would say that I've always thought that the LCDs I have tried have enhanced my gaming experiences, the only problem is, they have all but destroyed my browing/reading experiences, and for someone who likes to kill time at places like Wikipedia, that just doesn't work for me.

So I would say that text is the priority here, size wise, I still use a 17" CRT at 1024x768, so I'm hoping to upgrade a little, 22" seems to be the best size for me at this point for the better dot pitch at 1680x1050, compared to how it would be smaller on a 20"er. I guess by the same token, a 26" at 1900x1200 could work, though I have never used a monitor at that resolution before. Honestly I wish I could use a solution as simple as lowering the resolution but going below the native resolution completely kills the crispness on an LCD in my experiences so far.

I guess I'm wondering if anyone out there has had similar problems with reading and has found an LCD that they like, I believe the vast majority of the LCDs I have tried in the past have been TN panels, and the bad viewing angles are another thing that drove me nuts. This is one thing I know I can work around now by using one of the other panel types, so I would certainly like to hear suggestions for VA or IPS panels. The last LCD that I tried was a 22" Dell (don't remember the exact model name), seemed very cheap and for just a little while, it didn't bug the hell out of me, but it wasn't long before the bad viewing angles and difficulty reading text got the better of me and it got packaged up and returned.

I wish I could try out the LCD2690WUXi just to see what it is like, not exactly the kind of monitor I'm going to find on display at a place like Best Buy huh. :laugh:

Any suggestions will be appreciated.
 
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