[Retired] The LCD Thread

[BassBomb]

Originally posted by: 10e

Originally posted by: africanleopard
So...I'm not that clued up on LCD monitors - I really like the look of the Dell 2209WA. Would I be able to play my XBOX360 on it? Or do I need monitor that states specifically it can run HD?

The Xbox 360 now supports 1680x1050 resolution, so it will display correctly on that monitor with a VGA or HDMI to DVI cable. But since it only has one DVI port, you'd need an HDMI or DVI switch to share it between an xbox 360 and PC, but the difference between HDMI and VGA is pretty much none in my opinion, with regards to quality.

He can always run 720p if xbox doesn't like 1680x1050

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: shiznit

Originally posted by: Triplehammer
The Samsung 2233rz is now available from Tigerdirect and CompUSA as part of a $600 bundle that includes the new nVidia 3D Vision goggles. Early reports from the hardforum thread, here:

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1387713

is that it is a true 120Hz LCD display. This single fact would put it at the top of the Hardcore Gaming list. Being 120Hz may even make it the ONLY Hardcore Gaming choice.

Agreed. This monitor is for real and the 120hz alone (so long vsync, burn in hell) is good enough for the top of the list, way up there miles above the rest.

Until the 120hz Viewsonic comes out this is the ONLY gaming worthy LCD on the market.

Looks really neat, but too bad the availability of a single unit and number of reviews is poor (at least for now). I'll be waiting just a little (hopefully a week or two) for more people to try it before I add it. If you're already confident in it, you can give it a try and give us a review. I just want to make sure there is not a serious QC issue with the new technology before I go recommending it to everyone. Other than that it probably will skyrocket to the top of Hardcore Gaming. I will probably split Gaming into True 120 Hz (tm) panels and 60 Hz panels.

I hear Samsung is also releasing a 120 Hz 24" soon.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: paperfist
My Dell SP2309W finally came in and after a week + of using it for gaming and web surfing I couldn't be happier.

The screen has a gloss finish on it, not real glossy but just enough to give it a shine. The frame of the LCD is very glossy, but since I don't tend to touch it finger prints aren't an issue. It has a pretty cool 'touch' power button and not your typical press in to turn on button.

I know some people here wanted to know about it, but I'm not sure what the best way to show it off is. I could run some benchmark software (3DMark?) and record it with my camera's video mode and post it here if anyone wants me to. Or if there's a better way I'm all ears

That's pretty neat. A couple photos of the high res in use would be nice. Thanks for the thoughts.

Originally posted by: TempletonPeck
I have an LG L227WTG monitor. I've had it for close to a year now.

It emits a buzzing/whining/some sort of high pitched sound, but only when I visit this one particular web page. If I switch tabs within the web browser it disappears. Any idea why?

Is that particular website darker or brighter overall? This can modulate the backlight. The L227WTG actually has an adaptive backlight that cannot be disabled as I've recently discovered, but I'm not entirely sure about the details. All I can notice is the backlight turning off when the screen is ALL black, but not much else.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: rpsgc
I'm thinking of buying this largely unknown monitor, the Philips 240PW9ES (black version 240PW9EB). Apparently it uses the same panel as the HP LP2475W. Unfortunately it seems to be rare outside of Asia/Europe, thus I can only find good information on Singaporean forums but still it's not enough, no input lag tests, etc :/

The HP isn't available in your area or you're just trying to save money?

Originally posted by: africanleopard
So...I'm not that clued up on LCD monitors - I really like the look of the Dell 2209WA. Would I be able to play my XBOX360 on it? Or do I need monitor that states specifically it can run HD?

Some monitors do, some don't. If I had to guess, the Dell would work as Dell usually uses good scaler/input chips. But my ViewSonic refused to show 720p even when it said HD-720p in the specs!

 

[TempletonPeck]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: paperfist

Originally posted by: TempletonPeck
I have an LG L227WTG monitor. I've had it for close to a year now.

It emits a buzzing/whining/some sort of high pitched sound, but only when I visit this one particular web page. If I switch tabs within the web browser it disappears. Any idea why?

Is that particular website darker or brighter overall? This can modulate the backlight. The L227WTG actually has an adaptive backlight that cannot be disabled as I've recently discovered, but I'm not entirely sure about the details. All I can notice is the backlight turning off when the screen is ALL black, but not much else.

The website is mostly white, so it's bright. It's just a stats page for a game. The thing is, for other games that use the same stats site, I get nothing.

As long as it isn't a symptom of a larger problem I'm not going to worry about it.

 

[Winterpool]

Punters over on the Hard|Forum supposedly confirmed the Dell 2209WA is IPS after speaking to Dell reps. Why don't I feel comfortable taking the word of Dell employees? Some of them supposedly negotiated $210 prices -- this makes me feel even more sceptical about the 2209WA!

It may be another week before any customers receive their Dells. I very much hope at least one Stateside reviewer is putting this display through its paces even as I write this post. How do we encourage AnandTech to try out one of these?

 

[ungco]

Thanks for the advice Exclusive and xtknight. So far it's still a waiting game, but I'm more inclined to go for the 2209WA now. A few Aussies have ordered the monitor already and some are beginning to post short initial thoughts over here. It's nothing extensive so far, but it should fill up after a while.

I don't go back to uni for a good month, so there's still time yet.

 

[acidoangel]

Hello,
I bought 2209wa this monday and I'll receive it tuesday... I'm a little confuse because the european price rise a lot from 297? to 420? !
Maybe all 2209wa price will grow up ?

 

[palladium]

Hey xtknight ( and anyone else who tried the monitor adjustment link in the OP) did you manage to get the features on the bottom sides of the test image ( the ones marked with numbers 1-3 and 252-255) working? I'm using a HP LP2475w and no matter how hard I try, I can't get them to show up without changing the gamma too much. I suppose the LP2475w should be capable of producing the subtle shades of grey, no?

TIA

 

[Paladin]

Palladium,
On my HP 2475w I can see them all perfectly. I'm using the profile settings from tftcentral (the OSD settings, and the ICC profile). Have you tried them??

 

[palladium]

Originally posted by: KevinC
Palladium,
On my HP 2475w I can see them all perfectly. I'm using the profile settings from tftcentral (the OSD settings, and the ICC profile). Have you tried them??

I tried that, but didn't work well ( can only see the middle left box nicely - the rest wouldn't work). I used the OSD settings, but I'm not sure how to load the ICC profile ( is that referring to the RGB settings?). I'm a complete noob when it comes to this.....

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: TempletonPeck

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: paperfist

Originally posted by: TempletonPeck
I have an LG L227WTG monitor. I've had it for close to a year now.

It emits a buzzing/whining/some sort of high pitched sound, but only when I visit this one particular web page. If I switch tabs within the web browser it disappears. Any idea why?

Is that particular website darker or brighter overall? This can modulate the backlight. The L227WTG actually has an adaptive backlight that cannot be disabled as I've recently discovered, but I'm not entirely sure about the details. All I can notice is the backlight turning off when the screen is ALL black, but not much else.

The website is mostly white, so it's bright. It's just a stats page for a game. The thing is, for other games that use the same stats site, I get nothing.

As long as it isn't a symptom of a larger problem I'm not going to worry about it.

I guess what I'm trying to convey is that the particular color combination emitted by that site is causing the issue or perhaps unveiling some symptom.

But slightly buzzing backlights (actually transformers) are common in monitors and not usually indicative of upcoming failure.

 

[xSauronx]

ok, in exchange for doing some work for someone, i got a new E207wfp from dell. linky

its new in the box, and they are going for about $150 or so on ebay. Should I just sell this and find another lcd on sale somewhere? Im *planning* on building a quad rig soon, and if i do eventually(primarily itll be a VM box) ill probably want to watch HD stuff and do some moderate gaming. i figure if i sell this i can spend maybe $200 or so tops on an LCD, i should definitely be able to get something better for that much, right?

 

[Paladin]

here
To install an ICC profile the directions for XP or Vista are down the page a little.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: palladium
Hey xtknight ( and anyone else who tried the monitor adjustment link in the OP) did you manage to get the features on the bottom sides of the test image ( the ones marked with numbers 1-3 and 252-255) working? I'm using a HP LP2475w and no matter how hard I try, I can't get them to show up without changing the gamma too much. I suppose the LP2475w should be capable of producing the subtle shades of grey, no?

TIA

Even on my LCD2690 it's hard to get these tones well distinguishable. But these high ends of the spectrum are overrated. I would not worry about them. Getting these three tones to show may sacrifice ALL the midtones greatly.

 

[xtknight]

This is kind of interesting:

Behold the power of cheese (I mean e-IPS)

Soon, S-IPS at the cost of TN?

 

[palladium]

Originally posted by: KevinC
here
To install an ICC profile the directions for XP or Vista are down the page a little.

Thanks, managed to get some of the black ones show up ( after tweaking the nvidia CP) but not the white ones. I do notice some banding though...

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: palladium
Hey xtknight ( and anyone else who tried the monitor adjustment link in the OP) did you manage to get the features on the bottom sides of the test image ( the ones marked with numbers 1-3 and 252-255) working? I'm using a HP LP2475w and no matter how hard I try, I can't get them to show up without changing the gamma too much. I suppose the LP2475w should be capable of producing the subtle shades of grey, no?

TIA

Even on my LCD2690 it's hard to get these tones well distinguishable. But these high ends of the spectrum are overrated. I would not worry about them. Getting these three tones to show may sacrifice ALL the midtones greatly.

Ahh I see.. is there a way to know if I've sacrificed my midtones? ( now that I've managed to get some of the black to show up)

Thanks again for the replies.

 

[rpsgc]

Originally posted by: xtknight
The HP isn't available in your area or you're just trying to save money?

I'll go with option number two. It's almost 200 ? cheaper. And it just might not have those pesky pink/green hue problems that the LP2475W has.


But then again I might just settle for a TN monitor... after all, it's for FPS gaming.

 

[zod96]

When is the Dell 2209WA due out? I know its only going to be like less than $300 22 inch using an IPS panel. Just can't seem to find anywhere that has them. Also is it going to have a glossy screen?

 

[icered]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: icered
I was planning on getting a Benq E2200 HD Flat panel this weekend(My first transition from a CRT to a flat panel)
Specs are as below:
21.5" viewable
16:9 Aspect Ratio
1920x1080 Native resolution
5ms Response time
DVI-D with hdcp
HDMI port

Benq E2200HD

While I was at the store I found out there was a cheaper version of the same monitor - the Benq T2200 HD. Its the same as its slightly more expensive brethren minus the HDMI port, the crappy speakers, the Senseye+Photo image tech and possibly the overdrive mechanism(Benq calls its AMA I guess)

Benq T2200HD

Now the price difference between the two is about $30. My question is whether it is better to go for the cheaper version(the T2200HD which doesn't have the HDMI port)? Reading through forum posts I gather its easy to get an DVI-HDMI adapter if I need to, say connect a PS3/XBOX-360. (I don't own a console right now, but I might after, say 5-6 months)

Yeah a DVI-HDMI adapter should work. I think it's worth paying the extra for AMA (overdrive). Otherwise it might feel like you're using 5-years-old LCD response technology.

My second question is supposing I do get the DVI-HDMI adapter for the T2200 HD, what about audio? I have a logitech x-540 5.1 setup. How do I route multi-channel audio to the speaker set then?

That depends on the outputs of your console. If it has Dolby output that hook this up to a receiver. Otherwise you might be stuck with stereo. I'm not sure there's anything to "grab" audio from the HDMI and even then it seems you'd need a receiver (Dolby decoder) to get 5.1.

My third question is if indeed I get the E2200 HD (which has the HDMI port), how do I route the audio to my speaker system?(This monitor comes with a set of crappy speakers built-in).

What do you guys think?

Thanks,
-IceRed

The E2200HD doesn't have audio output (at least not 5.1), so you'd have to come up with some other solution.

Check this out: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hard.../x/xbox360hdmiavcable/

Thanks... Short, crisp and to the point!

One more twist to this though. While I was at the retail shop to get this monitor, unfortunately for me they had run of stock but offered me an enticing Samsung 2233SW (22" Full HD monitor without HDMI) at a lower price($20 less) instead. Am not sure what to make of this one though.

The new batch of Benq E2200HDs arrive in 3 days. Which one do I choose? Are the samsung ones inherently better than Benq and so blindly go for the Samsung? (However the Samsung has a slower response time of 5ms compared to 2ms for Benq)

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: eivanov
hi guys,

I have a problem in choosing 24" monitor for general home usage. For now my options are Eizo S2431W and Eizo HD2442W but which one is better?

My video card is ATI HD4850 with 2 HDMI connectors but I can not find any information if I can connect both of them to Eizo HD2442W (one to its HDMI input for gaming and movies and the other to its DVI input for general purposes). Can anyone help on that? The idea behind this type of connection is to use so called Thrue mode which works only on HDMI. I'm not sure if dynamic contrast option works also on DVI or only on HDMI?

My research shows me that S2431W is the same as HD2442W without HDMI connectors, remote control and dynamic contrast. Is that correct? Thanks in advance for any information on that.

P.S. Sorry for my poor english - it's not my native language

The HD looks like it has more image features like adaptive contrast and so on. They both have S-PVA panels. I think the HD looks more attractive and a better overall package.

Dynamic contrast should work on any input.

Apparently the HD one has less input lag (maybe?) and also some things for media like 16-255 color range and pulldown support for 24fps film.

You could connect two video card output ports to the same monitor but this wouldn't do any good because you'd just have to switch between the two on the monitor????

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Lalakai
the LG W2241T..............i tried searching through this thread for info on it, but couldn't find it, so i'll break down and ask.

what are the differences between the W2241T the LG L227WTG?? I was just getting ready to buy the 227 when i seen a sale at BB for the 2241 at $209. Primary use will be gaming. Usually i'ld also check Egg's feedback but for some reason i can't access them right now.

and a definite word of thanks to xtknight for this thread. i've watched it grow into a huge success, and i've seen it linked on countless other sites. kudos to you.

The W2241T is matte, not glossy. It's only 21.6" but it's also wide gamut like the L227.

Probably not a whole lot of difference in performance but I still love the L227. Sorry I can't tell you any more about it.

Thanks for the kind words.

 

[spiral529]

Originally posted by: zod96
When is the Dell 2209WA due out? I know its only going to be like less than $300 22 inch using an IPS panel. Just can't seem to find anywhere that has them. Also is it going to have a glossy screen?

This monitor has been available for the past week or so from Dell:

http://accessories.us.dell.com...=en&cs=04&sku=320-7825

I am very tempted to get one. The only thing holding me back is the possible upcoming release of additional low-cost eIPS panels at higher resolutions, such as the 1920x1080 panel described here:

http://www.displayblog.com/200...80p-lcd-monitor-panel/

 

[zod96]

Is the Dell 2209WA a glossy screen?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: spiral529

Originally posted by: zod96
When is the Dell 2209WA due out? I know its only going to be like less than $300 22 inch using an IPS panel. Just can't seem to find anywhere that has them. Also is it going to have a glossy screen?

This monitor has been available for the past week or so from Dell:

http://accessories.us.dell.com...=en&cs=04&sku=320-7825

I am very tempted to get one. The only thing holding me back is the possible upcoming release of additional low-cost eIPS panels at higher resolutions, such as the 1920x1080 panel described here:

http://www.displayblog.com/200...80p-lcd-monitor-panel/

Wow. This is awesome.

Originally posted by: zod96
Is the Dell 2209WA a glossy screen?

Nope, matte.