[Retired] The LCD Thread

[you2]

So how do we get one for $200 ?

I wasn't sure if it had option to do either 1:1 or scale for 4:3 - guess it supports both. I thought the blacks on the hp was very good but the blacks on my old 2001fp kind of sucks (it is not one of the goods one - i believe there was a panel switch at some point).

Originally posted by: ZetaEpyon

Originally posted by: you2
But they currently cost $300

Couple of questions:
How solid are the blacks? One of my 'complaint' with non-ips monitors is that the blacks are pretty weak (esp at night - i.,e, low light in the room) (the hp i tried had solid blacks but lousy backlighting).
How good (even) is the back lighting - esp in the corners which tend to be a weak point ?
How well does the monitor handle 4:3 images (one of the reason I prefer 20inch but can't find anything good right now).

Thanks!

The blacks are pretty good to my eyes. A far cry better than my old monitor, but it's always going to be a matter of perception. I do think there is a little bit of black crush with the settings I have right now, but might be able to reduce that with an ICC profile or better calibration.

The backlight is really even, I have not yet noticed any significant issues with that. It probably would have been most noticeable in the 2nd image that I posted. Since it's a 4:3 video, backlight issues would have been pretty noticeable on the left and right sides.

I think it handles 4:3 just fine, but I'm not really sure what you mean by that. Obviously, it pillar-boxes, but I think you can also set it to stretch the image if you had, say, a game console or something hooked up to it by DVI.

 

[ZetaEpyon]

Originally posted by: you2
So how do we get one for $200 ?

I wasn't sure if it had option to do either 1:1 or scale for 4:3 - guess it supports both. I thought the blacks on the hp was very good but the blacks on my old 2001fp kind of sucks (it is not one of the goods one - i believe there was a panel switch at some point).

I should clarify, I have no idea whether it does 1:1 or not, I've only been running at native resolution. In any case, I really would not buy this as anything other than a PC monitor, due to the lack of other inputs. 1 DVI, 1 VGA, that's it.

A bunch of people were able to get them for $200 last week by calling directly in to Dell Small Business sales reps. I don't know for certain if the deal can still be had, but I have heard that it's dead.

 

[ChuckR]

I am planning a summer build and was thinking of a HP W2558hc 25.5". Is anyone familiar with this monitor?
HP W2558hc 25.5" Thin-Film Transistor LCD active matrix BriteView technology
http://www.shopping.hp.com/sho...ata_sheet/ff621aa.html

 

[herbals]

Originally posted by: GripS

Originally posted by: herbals
What are the best GAMING screens right now, im looking tobuy a screen very soon.
I posted on this page a few posts up but noanswers yet. Please help

are the Benq E2400HD and the M2400HD essentially the same screen with the M having USB ports and a camera?

I want a fast gaming screen preferably 24' , i still play alot ofolder games too

please some advice, thanks.

See the first page of the thread and scroll down. Recommendations are right there. Looks like the BenQ G2400WD is the one your after.

Are they still applicable tho? Here are the stats for both monitors, and yes i read the guide properly THREE times.

G2400WD: http://www.benq.com.au/product...23&page=specifications

M2400HD: http://www.benq.com.au/product...78&page=specifications

Are 16:9 monitors a bad choice for gaming?
Right now here TODAY, what are the best PC gaming LCD screens?
is the M2400HD a bad choice?

 

[GripS]

The 200 dollar Dell deal was for those buying more then 1. For those buying 1 the price was 215+tax and shipping. Over at another forum a user claimed to have purchased one for 240+tax and shpping (which is also a good deal). However there are others claiming that they were not able to get such a deal on the very same day(today). Apparently the only guy giving the deal is Marcus at this extension: 9460271 (877-279-7897). Good luck getting a hold of him though. I've tried several times and it just goes to voicemail.

Herbals: xknight appears to be keeping the recommendations current. I'm not an LCD expert so i won't say either way which one is better. I'd end up looking at as many customer reviews possible on each one before i made a decision either way.

edit: OK I checked out both monitors and this is what I have to offer. The G2400WD is 1920x1200 and the HD is 1920x1080. I would probably go with the WD since you will have the option to roll back to 1080 if need be. My only concern would be if the image quality suffers much by not running the panel in it's native resolution. So I would definitely find out whether or not this is the case before buying.

It does appear that those HD models are the same panel with a different feature set.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: GripS
After much research and stumbling across this thread I finally had decided on the LG 227WT..... It's not listed as a WTG and I live in the US so not sure what is up there. Cheapest place I could find and it was free shipping(280 bucks). Too bad I only read the recommendations in the beginning otherwise I would have spotted the Dell 2209WA.

After searching for that I found out that last week they were selling them for a little over $200.00 + tax and shipping(seen a couple posts of invoices proving this). Tried calling Dell up today and low and behold they were on sale last week and that ended on the 31st(this is what i was told anyway). Just thought I would let everyone know that the too good to be true actually was true and now its over. Bummer....

Looks like a sweet panel. I saw a video showing all the diff positions you can put the monitor in..... pretty much unheard of to have those kind of positioning options. I'd like to see a decent 'real' review on this by someone who actually bought the monitor as i'm really torn on what I should do..... return the LG and go for the Dell??? Or will the Dell not be as good at gaming? (main purpose for monitor)

Thanks xtknight for sharing your knowledge on LCD monitors...... marketing is so misleading and I don't trust high profile review sites. I prefer first hand knowledge from people that use it for more then a few hours. Thanks much!

I have the L227 as well. I guess if you have the ambition, you could return it for the 2209WA. I don't know how the 2209WA is: the reviews so far on it have been pretty brief and unscientific.

It's hard to say what I would do since I'm not in your position but my best advice would be to wait for bigger and better things than the 2209WA. If you never plan on getting a newer monitor, then it could be more worth the trouble to get something you'll like now I guess. But like I said I don't know if you'll like the L227 or 2209WA better.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: herbals
are 16:9 monitors are bad choice for gaming? I play some older games too, like quake1
I want a very good gaming monitor

Im thinking about the Benq G2400WD and thats 16:10 #2 on gaming list OR the BenQ M2400HD which is 16:9

how does the Benq M2400HD stack up against it? To me it seems to be a better monitor, how does it compare for gaming? is 16:9 crap for gaming?

my store has: Benq E2200HD Full HD / Benq G2400WD / Benq M2400HD

ive never owned a LCD, and want a very good gaming one

thanks, very informative thread

It's so new really...who knows how good it is.

I am sure the G2400WD is just as good anyhow +/- 5% assuming the M2400HD has no critical flaws. Why not just go for the tried and true one?

Originally posted by: herbals
What are the best GAMING screens right now, im looking tobuy a screen very soon.
I posted on this page a few posts up but noanswers yet. Please help

are the Benq E2400HD and the M2400HD essentially the same screen with the M having USB ports and a camera?

I want a fast gaming screen preferably 24' , i still play alot ofolder games too

please some advice, thanks.

I'm sorry I couldn't respond as soon as you'd like. I didn't respond as fast as I'd like either, but sometimes that's how life goes. The eIPS stuff was exciting so I got a bit caught up in that first.

Anyway, the BenQ G2400WD is what you're looking for.

 

[prateekchanda]

Guys which, in ur opinion would be better VFM,
1). T220 : $276 (INDIAN RUPEES 13800)
2). Sam 2253BW: $234 (INR 11700)

I'm from India and the sites like newegg etc don't supply here so these are the prices I'll get!

 

[middlepath]

I bought the NEC2490WUXi-SV version a week ago and I'm somewhat happy with it. No dead or stuck pixels. BUT, it makes a constant humming sound which is irritating. Is this typical for this monitor?

Thanks.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: 10e
I just received my Dell 2209WA from Dell Canada, and I couldn't be happier. I'll be posting a link later on this weekend with full stats/calibration/impressions on this thing.

XTKnight, I would be inclined to agree with you about a 6-bit per channel e-IPS panel for cost cutting purposes, but after having used this display for the past 1.5 hours, I can honestly say that I don't see any dithering or FRC artifacts/noise coming from this screen. If there are, they are so hard to see, that they are effectively not there.

This panel reminds me a fair bit of my older Dell 2005FPW with less of that anti-glare sparkle effect, and seemingly less input lag. Also, viewing angles seem to be as good as most IPS screens out there. When I get it in a darker place than my office cubicle, I'll have photos of it with blacks to show if there is any intense off-angle hazing on dark colors.

Cheers.

Well, then that's good. At least I can say I prepared you guys for the worst.

 

[TheDrake]

First off, excellent thread xtknight! There is a invaluable amount of information here and I want to personally thank you.

I am in the market for a new monitor, I recently acquired a Epson R1900 photo printer and noticed too much difference in my laptop screen with the prints even using the proper profiles, so would like to get something primarily for print matching. At first I was looking at the HP IPS monitor but I was afraid of the uniformity issue so I checked on Dell.com/epp for the 2709W and they have a sale for $200 off making it $699 plus the additional 7% for EPP and then another 4% if you use dell preferred account which makes it $624.07. I really like the add ons with the monitor as well, the many inputs along with the built in card reader. Any reason not to get this particular monitor over another. Budget is pretty open up to $1k, but if I can save some money on a monitor like this then that would be great!

 

[10e]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: 10e
I just received my Dell 2209WA from Dell Canada, and I couldn't be happier. I'll be posting a link later on this weekend with full stats/calibration/impressions on this thing.

XTKnight, I would be inclined to agree with you about a 6-bit per channel e-IPS panel for cost cutting purposes, but after having used this display for the past 1.5 hours, I can honestly say that I don't see any dithering or FRC artifacts/noise coming from this screen. If there are, they are so hard to see, that they are effectively not there.

This panel reminds me a fair bit of my older Dell 2005FPW with less of that anti-glare sparkle effect, and seemingly less input lag. Also, viewing angles seem to be as good as most IPS screens out there. When I get it in a darker place than my office cubicle, I'll have photos of it with blacks to show if there is any intense off-angle hazing on dark colors.

Cheers.

Well, then that's good. At least I can say I prepared you guys for the worst.

Yes, thanks for that preparation

Here is the link to my "min review". Basically observations + calibration data. It is definitely a standard sRGB monitor.

http://www.hardforum.com/showp...33711623&postcount=432

I did take a longer look for dithering and I still can't see any at all. I'd even go and say I see more on the Dell 2709W, which is used to achieve 30-bit, or that slight "alternating line" tiny bit of dithering on mid tone greys with the LCD2690WUXI. In fact, if I didn't know this was eIPS I'd think it's just a typical H-IPS 22" screen.

Dell made some dubious design decisions on it, releasing it with high contrast at the cost of accuracy, but overall it is a decent package with a very good panel. I'm currently using the 20 brightness 75 contrast combo for 140 cdm/2 whites and 0.18 cdm/2 blacks.

It makes a good standard gamut buddy to my NEC or 2709W, so I'm liking it, as well as the reduced input lag over the other two screens.

 

[yert]

Hi,

Firstly, thanks 10e for your review. I've been eagerly awaiting your thoughts on it and after reading your positive review I was about to get one. Until you suggested at V2400 is a better monitor if you only use one monitor so now I'm again uncertain.

I would like your opinion on which of the following monitors would best suit me:

- BenQ e2200HD - AU$238
- BenQ G2400WD - AU$349
- Dell 2209WA - AU$415
- Open to other suggestions

A little about my situation:

- This will be a standalone monitor.
- I upgrade very rarely. This will be my first monitor that I've bought in about 15 years. Until now I have been using monitors from work that were going to throw away (atm Viewsonic 17"). At work I use a 19" Dell LCD.
- I just got a ATI 4850 512Mb (ATI 9800 Pro previously)
- Will use the monitor 90% of the time for reading - word, pdfs, latex, etc. I also use the computer to play games in the evenings and weekends. However, text must, absolutely must be easy to read.
- The price difference isn't too much of an issue for me.
- I don't think I will ever connect a console to it.

I was initially going to go for the e2200HD but I felt it was a waste since my graphics card in about a year would struggle to do 1900x1080. Also, reading text at 1900x1080 on a 22" would be difficult.

I'd be very grateful for your thoughts.

 

[Niege]

I'm not sure if this is the place to ask this, but I'm using my Viewsonic Q20wb for photo editing. I can't determine what kind of panel it is, though I suspect it's a TN owing to the price. I tried to calibrate it with a Spyder II colorimeter with no success. The Spyder consistently generates a profile that sets a gamma of 0.5. I've upgraded software to no avail. Sypder's customer service has proven extremely inadequate and indifferent, offering no solutions whatever. I've heard that some LCD monitors simply cannot be calibrated owing to the poor quality. Is this true? Does anyone have any suggestions for how to calibrate this monitor or do I have to buy a newer, and much more expensive one? Thanks

 

[GripS]

Just wanted to update that there are more reports of people purchasing the Dell 2209WA from Marcus through dell @ extension 9460271 for around $230.00 shipped. It is said that his mailbox is full so you'll just have to keep trying and hope you get through to him eventually.

I ended up going with the LG L227WT (which ended up indeed being a WT 'G' unlike advertised). I actually like the glossy screen though. Back of monitor faces the window so glare is not an issue for me fortunately. Really irks me knowing I could have had a better panel for less money but pretty happy with it nonetheless...... oh yeah. Input lag is not noticeable whatsoever with this monitor either.

 

[10e]

Originally posted by: yert
Hi,

Firstly, thanks 10e for your review. I've been eagerly awaiting your thoughts on it and after reading your positive review I was about to get one. Until you suggested at V2400 is a better monitor if you only use one monitor so now I'm again uncertain.

I would like your opinion on which of the following monitors would best suit me:

- BenQ e2200HD - AU$238
- BenQ G2400WD - AU$349
- Dell 2209WA - AU$415
- Open to other suggestions

A little about my situation:

- This will be a standalone monitor.
- I upgrade very rarely. This will be my first monitor that I've bought in about 15 years. Until now I have been using monitors from work that were going to throw away (atm Viewsonic 17"). At work I use a 19" Dell LCD.
- I just got a ATI 4850 512Mb (ATI 9800 Pro previously)
- Will use the monitor 90% of the time for reading - word, pdfs, latex, etc. I also use the computer to play games in the evenings and weekends. However, text must, absolutely must be easy to read.
- The price difference isn't too much of an issue for me.
- I don't think I will ever connect a console to it.

I was initially going to go for the e2200HD but I felt it was a waste since my graphics card in about a year would struggle to do 1900x1080. Also, reading text at 1900x1080 on a 22" would be difficult.

I'd be very grateful for your thoughts.

Hey Yert,

Sorry, I am sometimes a bit short on explanations. The reason the V2400W is better for me specifically if it were my only monitor is that it has three inputs and flexible scaling which works well for HDMI consoles like Xbox 360 and PS3. I have one of each, so I need a three input screen that sizes 720p and 1080p properly. The Dell only supports 4:3 and "fill" ratios, which are not needed for PC use.

If you are using the monitor with PC only, or Xbox 360 over VGA (and NOT PS3) it is a very, very good screen because Xbox 360 supports 1680x1050 properly, as well as some other 16:10 resolutions. IF the 2209WA did proper aspect ratio scaling of 16:9 it would be the preferable screen even though it is lower resolution than the others.

So far I'm STILL trying to figure out what the heck LG did with these eIPS panels to lower the cost, because for all intents and purposes, they are as good as any H-IPS panels that I've seen (outside of the A-TW polarized ones like the NEC 2x90WUXI).

 

[yert]

Cool! I just ordered one. Hopefully it call goes well.

Thank you again 10e for your fantastic review!

 

[remagavon]

Are any of the current-crop of 30" LCDs decent for Web Design? Most of them are high gamut and I really don't want to spend $1500+ for the Apple 30". I do game occasionally so input lag is somewhat of a concern, and I do have a Spyder 2 PRO Calibrator that might offset some of the gamut issues. I'm not interested in the gateway because it seems to have reliability problems, so I've been looking at the 3007wfp-hc, 3008wfp, and samsung 305t.

I used to have a 3007WFP that had a very fuzzy anti-glare coating (major screen-door effect), and I'd like to avoid that if I can.

Any suggestions? I've honestly begun thinking about just picking up the new dell 22" e-ips and waiting until a new 30" is released, but the demand for them has to be pretty low especailly with the way the economy is going... I don't want to wait that long.

 

[Sabnock]

Been reading this thread with great interest and since my vx924 is now dying i need to get a new monitor.
Im having a lot of trouble choosing i could be considered a hardcore gamer but also do a lot of web browsing. What i am looking for:
Something fast and functional, no greenish black hue (2032mw pebble does this in some modes)
Ability to place the screen into 4:3 mode.
I have a different screen for consoles but may use this one if its that good.
I am limited to uk online retailers specifically OCUK.

The links below are the pages id have to choose from
20" Screens 22-23" Screens

My three best guess/choices
1. Asus VH226H 22"
2. Samsung T220HD 22"
Dell SP2309W 23"

What do you guys think? much appriciated in advance.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: prateekchanda
Guys which, in ur opinion would be better VFM,
1). T220 : $276 (INDIAN RUPEES 13800)
2). Sam 2253BW: $234 (INR 11700)

I'm from India and the sites like newegg etc don't supply here so these are the prices I'll get!

I would get the T220. It got a pretty solid review at X-Bit Labs.

Originally posted by: middlepath
I bought the NEC2490WUXi-SV version a week ago and I'm somewhat happy with it. No dead or stuck pixels. BUT, it makes a constant humming sound which is irritating. Is this typical for this monitor?

Thanks.

I think it is common for high end NECs but far from deadly.

Originally posted by: TheDrake
First off, excellent thread xtknight! There is a invaluable amount of information here and I want to personally thank you.

I am in the market for a new monitor, I recently acquired a Epson R1900 photo printer and noticed too much difference in my laptop screen with the prints even using the proper profiles, so would like to get something primarily for print matching. At first I was looking at the HP IPS monitor but I was afraid of the uniformity issue so I checked on Dell.com/epp for the 2709W and they have a sale for $200 off making it $699 plus the additional 7% for EPP and then another 4% if you use dell preferred account which makes it $624.07. I really like the add ons with the monitor as well, the many inputs along with the built in card reader. Any reason not to get this particular monitor over another. Budget is pretty open up to $1k, but if I can save some money on a monitor like this then that would be great!

It's very difficult for me to answer questions like this because for me, image quality goes above everything else. I am keenly aware that my criteria are probably different than most people's though, and given that, the Dell is probably a better deal for you. (But, yes, the possible uniformity issue would even cloud up my decision a bit about going for the HP. I'm really hoping they're getting this matter resolved.)

 

[xtknight]

Thank you again 10e for your review. I love it that you buy many of the current displays out there and report on them. Quite a liaison between manufacturers and normal people like us. I'll be recommending the 2209WA maybe not with top merits but it will certainly be somewhere on the list.

 

[TheDrake]

Originally posted by: xtknight

It's very difficult for me to answer questions like this because for me, image quality goes above everything else. I am keenly aware that my criteria are probably different than most people's though, and given that, the Dell is probably a better deal for you. (But, yes, the possible uniformity issue would even cloud up my decision a bit about going for the HP. I'm really hoping they're getting this matter resolved.)

I do have a tigerdirect local to me that I could probably pick it up and save on shipping cost if there is the uniformity issue and it needs to go back, but I am always weary of buying from them as their return policy is absolutely horrid and its almost always a risk to buy anything from them cause if something is wrong your not guaranteed that you will ever see your money again, they will either keep doing exchanges or try to repair or just give you a credit. I absolutely HATE that store.... I have never experienced worse customer service in my life than at that store! It pains me to even buy anything from them, lol.

Is the uniformity issue consistent or is it hit or miss? I May risk buying one from tigerdirect and hoping for a full refund if their is the uniformity.

EDIT: Pfft, well nevermind, they dont even carry them at their stores nor do they ship to the store free so that option is out, guess I will just jump on the 2709W, I remember there being suggested a wall mount but I cant seem to find it in this thread, can anyone point me in the direction of a very low profile wallmout for the 2709w? Thanks!

 

[Kalessian]

Is 10e's review link broken for anyone else?

I hope the eIPS replace TN's forever in the near future. Any word on a 25-27" model?

 

[yert]

Originally posted by: Kalessian
Is 10e's review link broken for anyone else?

Unfortunately the hardware forum had a database crash and lost about 15 pages of that thread. 10e's review was on the later pages.

 

[Kalessian]

Did it mention anything about input lag? Comparable to other IPS panels?