[Retired] The LCD Thread

[itachi182]

Hey, I read through your LCD2690WUXi-BK review and I was wondering if the 24"one ( LCD2490WUXi-BK ) had the clear (not sparkly) coating as well

also, if the LCD2490WUXi-BK is as good as the LCD2690WUXi-BK, just different color spaces?

I'm trying to find a monitor for animation/movies mostly, and I'm use to glossy, I was thinking of trying to get the NEC 20WMGX2 but I heard it was really bad for movie watching...

1000$ seems alot for a monitor... Especially with the economy now, is there any cheaper monitors out there that are 19"-24" widescreen NOT TN and is good for movies/animation? Oh and preferably a clear anti glare, I've had troubles with a sparkly anti glare before and it forced me to return it, I'm currenting using a glossy 19" 4:3

I don't really care about the size, as long as it's picture quality and video playback are good

Edit// I searched everywhere for the 20WMGX2, it seems that no one is selling it, even used, so I guess thats out of the picture.

 

[Renikaz]

Hi, first of all thanks for making this thread possible, it's full of very useful information.

I'd like some recommendations for my personnal situation.

My previous screen was a Dell 2007wfp although I don't know which panel it used, but it's dead now so I need a replacement.

I'm looking for something 22+ inches (I'd like a 24) in non-glossy widescreen format.

I'm using my screen mainly for internet and movie watching (no gaming) and as I want to be able to use it later as a TV and to watch Blue Ray disks, it has to have 1080p resolution and a HDMI HDCP input. VGA would be nice as my computer is old as crap and doesn't support DVI. Also I guess I need 1:1 scaling to watch proper Blue Ray videos in 16:9 on a 16:10 screen

I was considering the Samsung T240HD because of it's integrated tv tuner and remote control but I'm scared because it's a TN and apparently they have bad viewing angles. Also it doesn't have many adjustment features available... Should I avoid it?

Jusging from your choices it seems like the Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP might be good for me but the input lag seems high and it's a PVA, not IPS although it's not as bad as a TN...

Do you know of other monitors that come with tv tuners and remote?

My price range would be below $650 USD

thanks

 

[Paladin]

Originally posted by: Renikaz
Hi, first of all thanks for making this thread possible, it's full of very useful information.

I'd like some recommendations for my personnal situation.

My previous screen was a Dell 2007wfp although I don't know which panel it used, but it's dead now so I need a replacement.

I'm looking for something 22+ inches (I'd like a 24) in non-glossy widescreen format.

I'm using my screen mainly for internet and movie watching (no gaming) and as I want to be able to use it later as a TV and to watch Blue Ray disks, it has to have 1080p resolution and a HDMI HDCP input. VGA would be nice as my computer is old as crap and doesn't support DVI. Also I guess I need 1:1 scaling to watch proper Blue Ray videos in 16:9 on a 16:10 screen

I was considering the Samsung T240HD because of it's integrated tv tuner and remote control but I'm scared because it's a TN and apparently they have bad viewing angles. Also it doesn't have many adjustment features available... Should I avoid it?

Jusging from your choices it seems like the Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP might be good for me but the input lag seems high and it's a PVA, not IPS although it's not as bad as a TN...

Do you know of other monitors that come with tv tuners and remote?

My price range would be below $650 USD

thanks

Renikaz,
The best 24" right now is the HP LP2475w. You can get it around $600 shipped (Provantage). It's an IPS panel with all the connections (dont' remember if it has HDMI or not), but scales well. It does not have a TV tuner.

 

[soltys]

Originally posted by: KevinC

Renikaz,
The best 24" right now is the HP LP2475w. You can get it around $600 shipped (Provantage). It's an IPS panel with all the connections (dont' remember if it has HDMI or not), but scales well. It does not have a TV tuner.

I made my friend buy that model, and it's really nice monitor - and a bargain for H-IPS panel at that price.

If it only had glossy surface like good old 20wgx2 pro ...

 

[JASTECH]

xtknight, Long time no visual, lol

Well I need to buy 2 LCD's this week, one for me PX2611 and a UltraSharp 2208WFP for my wife. Is there anything I should look out for? Anybody here try these and if so what did you think? We both like to play games, She plays The Sims and does photos and web sites. I like Unreal, COD stuff like that, Photos and I use a Epson 4670 Pro, i9900 and my Olympus Evolt, Minolta i5000, and 2x Minolta 7000's. I do read a lot of 4x4 stuff on the net and I'm a AMSOIL dealer so that takes time on the net too. I don't want to spend stupidly but can go maybe 1200 for the both that is why I had somewhat picked those mentioned but would like both to be IPS H's or whichever is best. Thanks for your help again, JASTECH

Edit: I went ahead and ordered both of these, I hope I didn't make a Mr Rump.

 

[mmnno]

2208WFP is TN, go for the 2209WA instead.

 

[you2]

There was a review of this monitor with some suggested settings. I can't find it now - does anyone know the settings ?

I did receive the monitor and I have mixed feelings. I think the HP was a bit better 'cept for the one corner that had horrible backlight issue (of course that monitor was $400). I've not noticed horrible backlight issue with this monitor but it is not uniform in a very dark room. I've not noticed a non-uniform tint issue but the colour balance is off and I'm not very good at adjusting it (hence request for some suggested settings).

The colours (esp black) seem some how more shallow (like thin paper) than the HP. Does that description make sense? I've not noticed any real banding or non-uniformity in the colours.

It is better than my old 2001fp but is not a perfect monitor. I think if the HP had not had the backlight issue in the one corner I would have prefer it even for the extra $$$.

Also my monitor is marked 2009WAf (not sure what the f means) and was manufactured dec 2008.

Anyways if someone have some suggested settings to try drop a note. Right now I've reduced brightness and contrast to around 30/40 all else default. Colour is a bit too blue and i think I need to up contrast a little.

 

[mrserge]

Did anyone can just try to be nice and answer me about my problems with NEC? Please.

 

[czesiu]

hey all!

I would be glad to hear any opinions about NEC EA221WM or other recommendations.

Generally I'm searching for 22" lcd for browsing/gaming (not much but mainly dynamic FPS)/ movies.

Looking at samsung t220 I'm unsure if I want a new monitor without height adjustment, pivot and reportedly wobbly base although for example I'm unsure whether i would use pivot that much.

Considering LG Flatron L227WTG-PF i have some doubts that this somewhat bright power button might be distracting. [noise too (http://www.hardforum.com/archi...ex.php/t-1376016.html)]

Asus VW222U? no way (whine)

and just found that t220 generates noise too... http://reviews.costco.com/2070/11312125/reviews.htm

now this kinda got me down... most lcds have whine/noise problems these days?

 

[palladium]

Hi all,

Have a general question about VA and IPS panels . Does a grade A IPS panel offer better image quality than a grade A VA panel ( therefore justifying its price premium)?

Thanks for answering my question!

 

[10e]

Originally posted by: itachi182
Hey, I read through your LCD2690WUXi-BK review and I was wondering if the 24"one ( LCD2490WUXi-BK ) had the clear (not sparkly) coating as well

also, if the LCD2490WUXi-BK is as good as the LCD2690WUXi-BK, just different color spaces?

I'm trying to find a monitor for animation/movies mostly, and I'm use to glossy, I was thinking of trying to get the NEC 20WMGX2 but I heard it was really bad for movie watching...

1000$ seems alot for a monitor... Especially with the economy now, is there any cheaper monitors out there that are 19"-24" widescreen NOT TN and is good for movies/animation? Oh and preferably a clear anti glare, I've had troubles with a sparkly anti glare before and it forced me to return it, I'm currenting using a glossy 19" 4:3

I don't really care about the size, as long as it's picture quality and video playback are good

Edit// I searched everywhere for the 20WMGX2, it seems that no one is selling it, even used, so I guess thats out of the picture.

Both the 2490 and 2690 have very good anti-glare/polarizing film. Neither has much sparkling at all. Only my Dell 2709W is better, and not by much, and it is one of the best I've ever seen. The 2490 and 2690's antiglare does not affect sharpness one bit.

Out of these two, the 2490 is better for movie watching, because it is sRGB gamut and so is the HDTV color space (basically). The 2690 gives over saturated colors.

 

[10e]

Originally posted by: xtknight
Thank you again 10e for your review. I love it that you buy many of the current displays out there and report on them. Quite a liaison between manufacturers and normal people like us. I'll be recommending the 2209WA maybe not with top merits but it will certainly be somewhere on the list.

You are very welcome and thanks for all you do for everyone here.

HardForum had a DB crash and the mini review was wiped, but I'll be getting it back up there by (hopefully) Sunday morning with more info.

Cheers!

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: sindows
I have a Dell 2209WA and this is my first time experiencing a IPS screen of any sort. Anyways, I noticed that this when the screen shows black and if I move my head around, parts of the monitor turns silver colored. This is especially noticeable in a dark room and when the default XP screensaver is on. Is this normal? It happens with tn panels too but I always attributed the effect to horrible viewing angles. The 2209WA has awesome viewing angles with any color other than black. On a black screen, the black shifts to a silvery color. I'm sure its not light bleed. My monitor has almost none.

This purple tinting is common with S-IPS panels at wide angles, but still S-IPS are heralded as having the best angles.

Also with another question, I have tons of experience with *va panels as the computers in my school use them but I notice the the colors on my Dell are "sharper" but the ones using a va panel are "warmer" if it makes any sense. My Dell feels like its displaying the same colors as a TN panel but with more intensity. On the other hand, the colors on a *va panel seem to look more neutral and not as harsh, more lifelike. The best way to describe them is that the colors just feel warmer somehow. The va panels seem to create a color thats completely different from the color created on TN and IPS panels. Am I nuts or is this just is characteristic of the two panel types? I know that VA panels are suppose to have higher contrasts compared to both TN and IPS panels.

I don't know. It might be a difference in the coating that you're seeing.

Originally posted by: soltys
I'm slowly getting ready to upgrade my monitor setup from 20wgx2 pro to something a bit bigger (24+), of course keeping the old one as the secondary monitor.

Still, looking today at the choices, there're effectively ... 3 if I want ips based panel and sane price. Two of them unavailable in PL (DS and Planar) and all of them seem to have anti-glare coating, which I personally dislike - especially after getting used to my current monitor.

Any suggestions ? Maybe of monitors to be released in the following months ?

HP LP2475w or NEC LCD2490WUXi? I don't think there are any other IPS panels out there, unfortunately. The iMac 24" is H-IPS and glossy, but that's the only [computer with a ] glossy IPS that is available today as far as I know.

 

[JASTECH]

mmnno, I called and canceled the 2208WFP and they talked me into the S2309W 23-inch. I hope this one is better? xtnight, your awesome help is needed again, lol So nw I have a PX2611 w/3yr MFG waranty and I bought an extra 2yr after that and now the S2309W 23-inch with a 3yr warranty. I hope this is it, this is too stressfull for me as I WANT MY 26", lol and the 23" for my wife. I hope the 23" comes first because if the 26" comes first she might thtink thats for her B-Day and then I will have to send the 23" back and order another PX-2611. When they get here I will do a review if anybody wants me to.

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: frickfrack
Hi,

I have a LG 196WTQ that is attached to my nix box. The text and some images were a bit grainy/blurry so after messing with it for a long time I finally found this forum that mentioned going into the 'system menu' by powering it off then turning it on while holding down the menu button. I proceeded to do this and started experimenting with the different panel choices. If I recall there were 4 or so choices. Unfortunately, now it won't come back on right. It turns on and all I see is a white screen. Sometimes when I turn it on half of it wil be dark and then fade out to white.

I've tried powercycling it, I've tried unplugging both the vga cable and the power cord. I left both unplugged over night. I've tried various combinations of holding down different buttons. Is there like a factory reset switch somewhere? I'm very close to unscrewing the back to find out -- as of right now it's unusable -- all I wanted was some clear text -- I'm not a gamer, just a developer.

If anyone has any ideas it would be much appreciated. I plan on calling LG Monday to see if I can coerce a tech support guy into resetting this for me, as they are closed now.

Sorry man I have no idea. You might have triggered a button key combination that activated a dead pixel tester or something like that. I remember my 20WMGX2 had something like that, but it always went away when it powered up. I'd think LG would be able to do something for you.

Originally posted by: dudeman007
earlier this week i was looking at this HUGE westinghouse monitor L2610NW

http://www.buy.com/prod/westin...loc/101/207540840.html

priced at 250$ looked like a great upgrade that i could use for gaming and some movies.


then my brother talked me into this other one smaller , but i already know how awesome the colors are in samsungs and he convinced me that it would be a better pick than the Westinghouse.

Samsung 2433bw

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824001309

for 270


to be honest i havent been doing research about monitors lately , anyone with some advice or other choices i should consider before pulling the trigger

I wasn't going to assume this monitor was great, as reb00t certainly elaborated on.

I do highly recommend the 2209WA instead. That's a clear winner at that price point.

Originally posted by: raven3x7
Any opinions on the BenQ E2400HD? It's 24" 1900x1080 TN panel. The Prad review suggests it's a very good TN panel with minimal input lag. http://prad.de/en/monitore/rev...view-benq-e2400hd.html I'm looking for a monitor with good colors, but also minimal input lag for online gaming and this seems to fit the bill somewhat.
p.s. My first post after several years of lurking

Yea it's probably about as good as the G2400WD, which is great. I wouldn't be afraid of buying it.

You can get the G2400WD as well, which is just slightly higher res at 1920x1200 and is surely a winner.

Originally posted by: mrserge
Hi!
I found this wondeful review about NEC LCD2690WUXi. It's almost superfantastic except of the part about calibration, where I have a bunck of questions I cant find an answer to. First of all, as I understood from some other thread in this forum, there is different versions of SpectraView II.

There is a European version and an American version. The European version is based on the software basICColor and the American version was developed in-house. That's about all I know.

In my case, I couldn't understood, how it's possible to put all the values before calibration, that was mentioned in review. For example?Black level and Contrast Ratio to Max.

In SpectraView II, a max contrast ratio is labeled as "default" in the calibration dialog, as opposed to other options like 350:1, 300:1, etc...

Even if I choose preset target profiles, the result is good in contrast, but colors are much too oversaturated. Is there someone who can offer me a SpectraView II target configuration file (made everytime you choose custom values) or explain, where I get wrong with calibration process?
p.s. I use SpiderElite 3 as a calibrator.

SpectraView II can't solve oversaturation because that's a problem with gamut. SpectraView II just fine-tunes the wide gamut display so it displays wide gamut as well as possible. Gamut conversion is difficult and requires applications with color management like Photoshop.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: itachi182
Hey, I read through your LCD2690WUXi-BK review and I was wondering if the 24"one ( LCD2490WUXi-BK ) had the clear (not sparkly) coating as well

I am pretty sure the LCD24 also has a clear anti-glare coating.

also, if the LCD2490WUXi-BK is as good as the LCD2690WUXi-BK, just different color spaces?

Yea, if not better with less QC problems. The LCD24 is a very good standard gamut panel.

I'm trying to find a monitor for animation/movies mostly, and I'm use to glossy, I was thinking of trying to get the NEC 20WMGX2 but I heard it was really bad for movie watching...

Not exactly, the 20WMGX2 is pretty good for movies IMO. Any reviews that mention 'twinkling' are exaggerating (was not even sure what they were talking about).

1000$ seems alot for a monitor... Especially with the economy now, is there any cheaper monitors out there that are 19"-24" widescreen NOT TN and is good for movies/animation? Oh and preferably a clear anti glare, I've had troubles with a sparkly anti glare before and it forced me to return it, I'm currenting using a glossy 19" 4:3

I don't really care about the size, as long as it's picture quality and video playback are good

Edit// I searched everywhere for the 20WMGX2, it seems that no one is selling it, even used, so I guess thats out of the picture.

The 20WMGX2 is discontinued.

Try the Dell 2209WA eIPS panel. That might have a heavy anti-glare coating though, I am not sure. There is also the Eizo S2231W (wide gamut) and Lenovo L220X (also wide gamut). It seemed like you were looking for non-wide gamut?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Renikaz
Hi, first of all thanks for making this thread possible, it's full of very useful information.

I'd like some recommendations for my personnal situation.

My previous screen was a Dell 2007wfp although I don't know which panel it used, but it's dead now so I need a replacement.

I'm looking for something 22+ inches (I'd like a 24) in non-glossy widescreen format.

I'm using my screen mainly for internet and movie watching (no gaming) and as I want to be able to use it later as a TV and to watch Blue Ray disks, it has to have 1080p resolution and a HDMI HDCP input. VGA would be nice as my computer is old as crap and doesn't support DVI. Also I guess I need 1:1 scaling to watch proper Blue Ray videos in 16:9 on a 16:10 screen

I was considering the Samsung T240HD because of it's integrated tv tuner and remote control but I'm scared because it's a TN and apparently they have bad viewing angles. Also it doesn't have many adjustment features available... Should I avoid it?

Yeah, there are other better choices like the Dell 2408WFP and HP LP2475W.

Jusging from your choices it seems like the Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP might be good for me but the input lag seems high and it's a PVA, not IPS although it's not as bad as a TN...

Do you know of other monitors that come with tv tuners and remote?

My price range would be below $650 USD

thanks

There aren't any IPS/PVA monitors in that range that come with a TV tuner or remote as far as I know. The HP LP2475W may be your best bet. I think most people haven't been having the uniformity issues.

If you're afraid of the possibility of having uniformity issues then the 2408WFP is certainly the next best choice. S-PVA panels are quite decent...

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: JASTECH
xtknight, Long time no visual, lol

Well I need to buy 2 LCD's this week, one for me PX2611 and a UltraSharp 2208WFP for my wife. Is there anything I should look out for? Anybody here try these and if so what did you think? We both like to play games, She plays The Sims and does photos and web sites. I like Unreal, COD stuff like that, Photos and I use a Epson 4670 Pro, i9900 and my Olympus Evolt, Minolta i5000, and 2x Minolta 7000's. I do read a lot of 4x4 stuff on the net and I'm a AMSOIL dealer so that takes time on the net too. I don't want to spend stupidly but can go maybe 1200 for the both that is why I had somewhat picked those mentioned but would like both to be IPS H's or whichever is best. Thanks for your help again, JASTECH

Edit: I went ahead and ordered both of these, I hope I didn't make a Mr Rump.

Ya not too bad of a choice. I would have said 2209WA for the second due to the eIPS panel. I'm pretty sure Dell would exchange that for you if you want.

Originally posted by: czesiu
hey all!

I would be glad to hear any opinions about NEC EA221WM or other recommendations.

Generally I'm searching for 22" lcd for browsing/gaming (not much but mainly dynamic FPS)/ movies.

Looking at samsung t220 I'm unsure if I want a new monitor without height adjustment, pivot and reportedly wobbly base although for example I'm unsure whether i would use pivot that much.

Considering LG Flatron L227WTG-PF i have some doubts that this somewhat bright power button might be distracting. [noise too (http://www.hardforum.com/archi...ex.php/t-1376016.html)]

Asus VW222U? no way (whine)

and just found that t220 generates noise too... http://reviews.costco.com/2070/11312125/reviews.htm

now this kinda got me down... most lcds have whine/noise problems these days?

I've never had a monitor that had a whine that bothered me, except the 20WMGX2 in standby mode where its whine was terrible.

The EA221WM is a TN and I haven't seen reviews of it. Have you given the 2209WA a try? I really don't think you'll have whine issues with the other LCDs either by the way. Either this, or the volume of the whine is greatly being exaggerated.

Originally posted by: palladium
Hi all,

Have a general question about VA and IPS panels . Does a grade A IPS panel offer better image quality than a grade A VA panel ( therefore justifying its price premium)?

Thanks for answering my question!

Generally speaking, yes, but it also depends on the metric you use to measure image quality. By contrast (dynamic range I guess), no, but by viewing angles IPS would be better. Overall I would give IPS the upper hand just due to viewing angles alone since it's the main issue with VAs.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: JASTECH
mmnno, I called and canceled the 2208WFP and they talked me into the S2309W 23-inch. I hope this one is better? xtnight, your awesome help is needed again, lol So nw I have a PX2611 w/3yr MFG waranty and I bought an extra 2yr after that and now the S2309W 23-inch with a 3yr warranty. I hope this is it, this is too stressfull for me as I WANT MY 26", lol and the 23" for my wife. I hope the 23" comes first because if the 26" comes first she might thtink thats for her B-Day and then I will have to send the 23" back and order another PX-2611. When they get here I will do a review if anybody wants me to.

Thanks, JASTECH

I wouldn't let Dell talk you into another TN. IMO get a 2209WA eIPS panel.

 

[cressida]

Too many choices and so little time .. sigh It is time to upgrade from my 17" Flat crt samsung that I bought years ago from the Hotdeals forum.

 

[mmnno]

Originally posted by: JASTECH
mmnno, I called and canceled the 2208WFP and they talked me into the S2309W 23-inch. I hope this one is better? xtnight, your awesome help is needed again, lol So nw I have a PX2611 w/3yr MFG waranty and I bought an extra 2yr after that and now the S2309W 23-inch with a 3yr warranty. I hope this is it, this is too stressfull for me as I WANT MY 26", lol and the 23" for my wife. I hope the 23" comes first because if the 26" comes first she might thtink thats for her B-Day and then I will have to send the 23" back and order another PX-2611. When they get here I will do a review if anybody wants me to.

Thanks, JASTECH

s2309w is also a TN, but it's also 1920x1080 instead of 1680x1050. I still wouldn't recommend it for important photo work, but perhaps the higher resolution would help for web.

Kinda dumb that they talked you into the S2309W instead of the SP2309W, which has an even higher resolution (but perhaps too high.) You shouldn't let them talk you into anything though, unless it's a 2209WA for around $215, which is the great deal people were getting by calling dell business.

Of course none of those screens compares to a PX2611W. However the planar is wide gamut, which could complicate web development? At least that's a fallback excuse for your wife if she latches on to the planar

 

[Uppercut]

Hey guys and gals, i would like to purchase a 22" lcd monitor with a glossy screen but the selection that i have found so far seems rather limited (LG L227WTG-PF, HP W2207, ACER F-22, & Gateway).. What other glossy 22" monitors are there? And could someone tell me if the Dell Ultrasharp 2208WFP (the one without the web cam) a glossy or matte monitor?

 

[JASTECH]

xtknight, You and mmnno are correct. I got into too much of a hurry because I am trying to do this w/o my wife knowing about it and was in the chicken coup feeding then and trying to talk to a person from India, this was really upsetting me as she/he can't seem to understand what I was saying and maybe they were listening to the chickens and saying prayers at their desk? But I can still change it if need be. I will look at my account to see what monitor they actually are sending.

P.S. I am glad the PX-2611 was an ok pick, and they told me the 23" was a IPS

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[Jephph]

LG W2600H-PF vs. Asus VW266H?

Which is a better monitor? I will be gaming on it some, but I don't need it for time-sensitive stuff like FPSs. I have a CRT for that. I basically just want whichever one will give me the clearest, best picture. They are about the same price on Newegg. Is the 5000:1 contrast ratio on the LG a true 5000:1 or is it one of those dynamic contrast ratios?

 

[mmnno]

Originally posted by: JASTECH
xtknight, You and mmnno are correct. I got into too much of a hurry because I am trying to do this w/o my wife knowing about it and was in the chicken coup feeding then and trying to talk to a person from India, this was really upsetting me as she/he can't seem to understand what I was saying and maybe they were listening to the chickens and saying prayers at their desk? But I can still change it if need be. I will look at my account to see what monitor they actually are sending.

P.S. I am glad the PX-2611 was an ok pick, and they told me the 23" was a IPS

Thanks, JASTECH

Has your wife ever used a TN (or any LCD) before? If she's used to that beautiful G520 in your sig, then you have a problem. Then within your price range only a 2209WA will do, though of course I'm sure she'd love the Planar.

But if she's okay with a TN perhaps the 1920x1080 S2309W (or 2048x1152 SP2309W) would suit her better than the 1680x1050 2209WA. I think 1920 horizontal pixels is enough for two full-size web pages, where 1680 would be a little cramped. Maybe xtknight has something to say about resolution vs. panel type.

It may be too late to ask her subtly, but try to think how she would react to the picture on the screen appaearing lighter or darker in the vertical plane, and visibly changing as she moved her head up and down. If you think she'd be disturbed, better cancel and call Dell Small Business to order a 2209WA (ask for a quote instead of saying you want to purchase one.)