[Retired] The LCD Thread

[mb]

Any advice on this? I've basically narrowed it down to 2.
Acer G24. Good colors, minimal input lag, several reports of severe back light bleed.
BenQ G2400WD. Not as colorful, but nearly 0 input lag.

I've got a Dell 2407WFP-HC right now and I love the picture, but after playing some TF2 on a friends Sony fw900 it kind of sucks playing on the dell now.

I just can't decide if I should go with less color and almost no lag (G2400WD) or less lag but comparable color (G24). I'm also a bit concerned about the negative reviews on newegg for the G24...

 

[JASTECH]

Enchanter, I have just switched from my SONY G520 to the Planar PX2611W and it is very nice. This forum will help you a lot as it has made my choice a lot easier. It is sad seeing the old G520 sitting on the floor though, but we sometimes need to upgrade.

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: palladium
Hi all,

I've a question here... I've heard someone saying that LCD TV is 'better' than the high end monitors, due to the fact that they have higher contrast ratio, and are capable of displaying 10bit colours ( which most non-professional displays can't). Assuming that one doesn't mind the dot pitch of a 32inch 1080P HDTV ( and doesn't mind sitting in front of it either), how true/valid is that statement..?

It's actually quite valid. Very few TVs over 26" use TN panels too which is another big bonus. The only problem used to be that the TVs would have overscan issues and problems inputting DVI. And, sometimes they have dynamic contrast features that you can't turn off, or slower response time. But if you get the right one, it can be great.

Also, are Apple monitors that great.....? One of my friend is getting the 23" Cinema Display, he thinks it's the 'best' monitor out there ( in the 22-24" category).

Yeah, the 23" Apple Cinema is very good as it's an S-IPS panel. The HP LP2475W or NEC LCD2490WUXi are the other competitors, with the NEC probably being the best quality.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: JASTECH
mmnno, I do have my browser maximized as all my pages are. I did use the CTRL + and before I can even fill the real estate I feel like I could throw my shoes at the buttons! This Planar PX2611 is so nice I have my feet tide in knots under my chair in excitement to use it everyday.

I did the test on the link provided above and OOTB "Out-Of-The-Box" This monitor passes all the test!

If you need me to do any tests on it xtknight then just let me know. I have high end cameras for photos if needed.

Yea thanks for the offer. I'm really not sure what tests I'd have you do I guess. I am already quite confident in this panel.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Question:

I'm looking for a new monitor. i like a monitor to be at least 1080p in res so I can hook up my xbox360 and my pc. Obviously I'm a gamer and I do some amateur photography/editing. Thats about it. I have external speakers(z-5500's) so I could care less if the monitor has speakers. But good picture quality and low response time are my biggest concerns. Actual size doesn't matter. Price does. Less than $275 is preferred and definitely no more than $300 and thats a firm price ceiling. TIA.

Well, the E2400HD just makes your price point (unfortunately w/o shipping) but it's the best thing by far near that price area.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...14181&Tpk=benq%201080p

The E2200HD is also 1080p and advertises the ability to hook up consoles. http://www.google.com/products...83&sa=title#ps-sellers

It's a little less money. These are the best choices I can come up with. (I should probably recommend BenQ HD series in the OP when I get around to it.) Hope that helps.

 

[Enchanter]

Originally posted by: JASTECH
Enchanter, I have just switched from my SONY G520 to the Planar PX2611W and it is very nice. This forum will help you a lot as it has made my choice a lot easier. It is sad seeing the old G520 sitting on the floor though, but we sometimes need to upgrade.

Thanks, JASTECH

Thanks, Jastech. I can't seem to find anyone selling the Planar in Australia though and so I am still torn between the HP 2475w & Dell 2709w. I can find the HP for about AUD$1150 and the Dell AUD$1000. Given these choices, which do you think I should spring for? Or should I just abandon all caution and jump for the 25.5in NEC (about AUD$1600)?

Cheers!

 

[wallofinsanity]

How likely am I to receive a monitor with dead pixels? I am planning on picking up 2 Benq G2400WDs from NICXUS because of their killer prices, but am leery of the lack of a single-dead-pixel return policy. They say on the site it is because it has been used too much: is this because the monitor is so popular, because of quality issues, or both? Should I go for a different panel, or is there somewhere else similarly priced that carries a better warranty?

I'm only looking to spend ~$600, but if it is truly worth it for a better return policy I would consider paying the premium.

 

[xtknight]

Nice to be on spring break so at least I can reply a little faster to you guys. It's been getting worse and worse with school load. It seems like in the absence of a timely response from me that some of you have filled in for others and that's what I intended as there shouldn't just be one person posting opinions (or, "answers") in the thread.

Originally posted by: ekellner

Have you considered the HP LP2475w? The Hazro 24" isn't available in your area I suppose?

Most S-PVAs with overdrive have very satisfying response time, but they can have more input lag than comparable IPS screens. But I think since you're an occasional gamer 3 frames (~47-50 ms) isn't something to be worried about.

I wouldn't get an unreviewed monitor, even an IPS, sight unseen. If you can see it at a store, go for it. If not, then I would stick with the Dell assuming the HP and Hazro aren't available. Or, maybe you want to spend money on the NEC.

I did look at the HP LP2474w, but at 560? it's close to price of the Dell, more than the LG, and 2" smaller. Plus the monitor itself (especially the stand), is quite ugly with a deep footprint, and to be honest I do care about that. Since there are alternatives I was looking at those.

I'm in Germany, and I haven't even hard of Hazro, but I quick search of amazon and prad seems to indicate it's not available.

I'm at the CeBIT right now, and LG's booth has a W2600HP there. Now granted, it's been chosen for showing and it's in a booth, but it looks good. You can see it's not a TN panel, it's noticably better.

Regardless I think I'm leaning more towards the Dell now, if the input lag isn't much to be concerned for me.

Thanks,
Elli

Cool about being at CeBIT. I wish I could go too.

If you were able to see the W2600HP then I might honestly take the gamble on that. Only from a retailer to whom you could return the LCD though, in the case of problems.

Originally posted by: Enchanter
Hi,

I am currently looking to upgrade my Sony G420 (a 19in Trinitron CRT) to something bigger and choosing between the HP LP2475w or Dell UltraSharp 2709W (would consider the 2408W too but the 27 incher is only a little bit more...). Edit: There's a special deal on the 2408W (AUD$200 less than retail) so I might as well throw it in here for consideration with the HP.

I am a casual gamer (playing anything from current games to 'oldies', as long as they are good, for 1-2hrs a day), with the majority of my usage being web browsing, office spreadsheets and watching shows (mostly anime fansubs and DVDs). I have a Dell UltraSharp 1905 on another computer and I quite like its sharp/crisp image (though I have only recently acquired it so I cannot say how it really compares to the Sony). The reviews for both the HP and Dell are favourable and I cannot honestly tell which would look better, other than the fact the Dell is larger. I would greatly appreciate your help in helping me make a choice.

Thanks in advance!

Well I would say the HP has quite a better panel type and that that's the easy choice, honestly. It also may have less input lag and it does have better viewing angles. You do mostly general use and for this, IPS panels excel where TNs and VAs lack.

And, the PX2611W JASTECH mentioned is the same panel type (H-IPS) as the HP.

Originally posted by: mb
Any advice on this? I've basically narrowed it down to 2.
Acer G24. Good colors, minimal input lag, several reports of severe back light bleed.
BenQ G2400WD. Not as colorful, but nearly 0 input lag.

I've got a Dell 2407WFP-HC right now and I love the picture, but after playing some TF2 on a friends Sony fw900 it kind of sucks playing on the dell now.

I just can't decide if I should go with less color and almost no lag (G2400WD) or less lag but comparable color (G24). I'm also a bit concerned about the negative reviews on newegg for the G24...

I would go for the zero-input-lag G2400WD. Its colors are fine and the only reason the G24's may appear better is the glossy coating.

Originally posted by: wallofinsanity
How likely am I to receive a monitor with dead pixels? I am planning on picking up 2 Benq G2400WDs from NICXUS because of their killer prices, but am leery of the lack of a single-dead-pixel return policy. They say on the site it is because it has been used too much: is this because the monitor is so popular, because of quality issues, or both? Should I go for a different panel, or is there somewhere else similarly priced that carries a better warranty?

I'm only looking to spend ~$600, but if it is truly worth it for a better return policy I would consider paying the premium.

I don't know. I can never give a definitive answer on that, because if I did, I'd probably be held responsible for what I'd tell people. If you want my honest opinion: probably not very likely. AUO panels have had very few dead pixels from my experience and I think that's what BenQ uses with the G2400WD.

I don't know what to make of the fact that NCIXUS no longer offers the policy (or is it just for this monitor that they don't?)

There's no store I know of that would have a better policy anyways. None have that 0 dead pixel policy. So it's up to BenQ what kind of exchanges you can negotiate. Sometimes you can get them to give you refurbs that have no dead pixels. That's often what happens with Dell customer support.

 

[Enchanter]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Enchanter
Hi,

I am currently looking to upgrade my Sony G420 (a 19in Trinitron CRT) to something bigger and choosing between the HP LP2475w or Dell UltraSharp 2709W (would consider the 2408W too but the 27 incher is only a little bit more...). Edit: There's a special deal on the 2408W (AUD$200 less than retail) so I might as well throw it in here for consideration with the HP.

I am a casual gamer (playing anything from current games to 'oldies', as long as they are good, for 1-2hrs a day), with the majority of my usage being web browsing, office spreadsheets and watching shows (mostly anime fansubs and DVDs). I have a Dell UltraSharp 1905 on another computer and I quite like its sharp/crisp image (though I have only recently acquired it so I cannot say how it really compares to the Sony). The reviews for both the HP and Dell are favourable and I cannot honestly tell which would look better, other than the fact the Dell is larger. I would greatly appreciate your help in helping me make a choice.

Thanks in advance!

Well I would say the HP has quite a better panel type and that that's the easy choice, honestly. It also may have less input lag and it does have better viewing angles. You do mostly general use and for this, IPS panels excel where TNs and VAs lack.

And, the PX2611W JASTECH mentioned is the same panel type (H-IPS) as the HP.

I was ready to spring for the 2709w tonight (because of its size and the current discount which brings its price down to AUD$1000) and now I am back in limbo. Is the HP's IPS panel that obviously better-looking to justify its smaller panel size (24in) and higher price (AUD$1100+)?

I quite like the more saturated colour and sharper image of the 1905 (though I cannot yet tell if I will eventually tire of it), and I figured I could not go wrong with the 2709w.

Cheers!

 

[ninethirty]

Originally posted by: xtknight

I don't know what to make of the fact that NCIXUS no longer offers the policy (or is it just for this monitor that they don't?)

It appears that it's just this monitor. On other monitors they offer their "Express Coverage", which looks like an add-on option. But apparently it's not an option for the G2400WD anymore. Odd.
Their prices for that (and the Samsung T240 & T240HD) are great though... $250 for the T240, $280 for the G2400WD.

I'm all for viewing angles, but it's tough to be picky when a TN panel is 1/2 the price of an *VA or IPS.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ninethirty

Originally posted by: xtknight

I don't know what to make of the fact that NCIXUS no longer offers the policy (or is it just for this monitor that they don't?)

It appears that it's just this monitor. On other monitors they offer their "Express Coverage", which looks like an add-on option. But apparently it's not an option for the G2400WD anymore. Odd.
Their prices for that (and the Samsung T240 & T240HD) are great though... $250 for the T240, $280 for the G2400WD.

I'm all for viewing angles, but it's tough to be picky when a TN panel is 1/2 the price of an *VA or IPS.

Yeah apparently they do offer it on other monitors still.

Originally posted by: Enchanter

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Enchanter
Hi,

I am currently looking to upgrade my Sony G420 (a 19in Trinitron CRT) to something bigger and choosing between the HP LP2475w or Dell UltraSharp 2709W (would consider the 2408W too but the 27 incher is only a little bit more...). Edit: There's a special deal on the 2408W (AUD$200 less than retail) so I might as well throw it in here for consideration with the HP.

I am a casual gamer (playing anything from current games to 'oldies', as long as they are good, for 1-2hrs a day), with the majority of my usage being web browsing, office spreadsheets and watching shows (mostly anime fansubs and DVDs). I have a Dell UltraSharp 1905 on another computer and I quite like its sharp/crisp image (though I have only recently acquired it so I cannot say how it really compares to the Sony). The reviews for both the HP and Dell are favourable and I cannot honestly tell which would look better, other than the fact the Dell is larger. I would greatly appreciate your help in helping me make a choice.

Thanks in advance!

Well I would say the HP has quite a better panel type and that that's the easy choice, honestly. It also may have less input lag and it does have better viewing angles. You do mostly general use and for this, IPS panels excel where TNs and VAs lack.

And, the PX2611W JASTECH mentioned is the same panel type (H-IPS) as the HP.

I was ready to spring for the 2709w tonight (because of its size and the current discount which brings its price down to AUD$1000) and now I am back in limbo. Is the HP's IPS panel that obviously better-looking to justify its smaller panel size (24in) and higher price (AUD$1100+)?

I quite like the more saturated colour and sharper image of the 1905 (though I cannot yet tell if I will eventually tire of it), and I figured I could not go wrong with the 2709w.

Cheers!

Yeah I think the HP is worth it, personally. It's a great panel, as long as you don't get one with the uniformity issues. :| I think those have mostly subsided.

 

[wallofinsanity]

Thanks for the advice. I'll probably just pull the trigger.

I haven't been aware of the panel differences until reading this thread recently, and went to best buy to see just how noticeable a difference an IPS or *VA panel makes. I've used some pretty terrible panels before, and I was surprised at how much better TN panels look now. The Mac IPS panel there was gorgeous, but not 2x the price gorgeous.

 

[wallofinsanity]

Another question: What are peoples thoughts on buying refurbed monitors from http://www.benqshopper.com/rlcdmo.html ?

They have the 24" VA panel there for $300 and it seems too good to be true. I've seen varying reviews of the FP241VW, so is there any consensus around here?

 

[ninethirty]

Nice price, but the "All Sales Are Final" sure is spooky. Sounds like you're gambling $300 on getting something that turns on, much less something without dead pixels. That's a lot to gamble.
Edit: It's not that dire; from their warranty page:

Ninety (90) days from the purchase date by the original retail purchaser (the Customer).Parts and labor only (No replacement).

Buyer pays shipping to Benq. So it's a gamble, but not quite as bad as "all sales are final" sounds.

 

[JASTECH]

I do like the Planar warranty plus I opted for 2 more years just to be safe and take me into the next generation of LCD or first generation of HGD (HaloGraphicDisplays) which are all in 3D and the dog will try and chase them.

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[wpeng]

Any advice on these new super high resolution panels like the Samsung 2233SW?

 

[geokilla]

xtknight, can anyone give me advice on which monitor to purchase from Canada Computers. My friend is looking to get one in the $200 price range. Samsung 2233BW seems to be a good monitor for the price. There's also a Dell S2209W on sale at dell for $189.99 today only.

Thanks.

Of course, we're open to suggestions as well, but we'd prefer to purchase from Canada Computers, unless that Dell monitor is really good.

 

[mb]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: mb
Any advice on this? I've basically narrowed it down to 2.
Acer G24. Good colors, minimal input lag, several reports of severe back light bleed.
BenQ G2400WD. Not as colorful, but nearly 0 input lag.

I've got a Dell 2407WFP-HC right now and I love the picture, but after playing some TF2 on a friends Sony fw900 it kind of sucks playing on the dell now.

I just can't decide if I should go with less color and almost no lag (G2400WD) or less lag but comparable color (G24). I'm also a bit concerned about the negative reviews on newegg for the G24...

I would go for the zero-input-lag G2400WD. Its colors are fine and the only reason the G24's may appear better is the glossy coating.

Thanks, I pulled the trigger on a G2400WD from buy.com It shipped today so hopefully it should be here by mid next week.

Ah crap, I just noticed that ncixus.com has it for $70 less than buy.com argh

Woah :shocked:

Ship date

Mar 13, 2009

Estimated delivery

Mar 13, 2009

I wonder if FedEx will actually come through on this! That'd be amazing!

 

[blkjag]

Originally posted by: wallofinsanity
Another question: What are peoples thoughts on buying refurbed monitors from http://www.benqshopper.com/rlcdmo.html ?

They have the 24" VA panel there for $300 and it seems too good to be true. I've seen varying reviews of the FP241VW, so is there any consensus around here?

I purchase the two refurbished monitors from BenQ - the FP241VW and a G2400W. The FP241VW work great.. love it.. the one thing I do not like is has a wide silver stand of almost 5 inch which bother me because I using a dual monitors set up and trying to set up a triple monitors set up.

The G2400W did not work and I am dealing with them right now on it. They already indicate they will send a replacement, but I going to try to get them to give me a refund so I can buy a new G2400WD.

Will keep you posted.

 

[mb]

Originally posted by: mb

Woah :shocked:

Ship date

Mar 13, 2009

Estimated delivery

Mar 13, 2009

I wonder if FedEx will actually come through on this! That'd be amazing!

Amazing. It was actually delivered this morning at 9am! Can't wait to try it out when I get home from work!

 

[ninethirty]

Originally posted by: blkjag
I purchase the two refurbished monitors from BenQ - the FP241VW and a G2400W. The FP241VW work great.. love it.. the one thing I do not like is has a wide silver stand of almost 5 inch which bother me because I using a dual monitors set up and trying to set up a triple monitors set up.

The G2400W did not work and I am dealing with them right now on it. They already indicate they will send a replacement, but I going to try to get them to give me a refund so I can buy a new G2400WD.

Will keep you posted.

Good to hear. How has the experience with their service department been so far? Any hassles? Are you paying the return shipping for the defective monitor?

The G2400WD is still high on a lot of lists, and they sure have a great price on it.

Thanks,

matt

 

[middlepath]

Just a heads up re vendor problems. I bought the LCD2490WUXiBK-SV from Provantage. I called within the 30-day period asking to replace the monitor as it was making a loud whining sound. For three weeks now I have been getting the run-around with each customer care rep saying, "This should be resolved in the next couple of days." So, today I had no other recourse but to contact the Better Business Bureau.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: geokilla
xtknight, can anyone give me advice on which monitor to purchase from Canada Computers. My friend is looking to get one in the $200 price range. Samsung 2233BW seems to be a good monitor for the price. There's also a Dell S2209W on sale at dell for $189.99 today only.

Thanks.

Of course, we're open to suggestions as well, but we'd prefer to purchase from Canada Computers, unless that Dell monitor is really good.

The LG L226WTY is a great monitor, as is the Samsung T220. Simply take a look at the recommendations list. There are plenty of monitors I recommend that are there. I'd probably get the LG.

 

[imported_Jid]

Any info on the Lacie 324? Can't find much except for what I found on digital versus but their reviews aren't all that detailed, seems like a decent all around S-PVA screen, I'm a little hesitant about the HP LP2475w after reading that so many people seem to be getting tinting issues and the Nec 2490Wuxi is sRGB and also tends to ship with dead pixels and such which you have to sort out with the vendor.. at least HP is allowing people to replace their monitor multiple times untill they get an acceptable one with no fuss, and is priced surprisingly nicely.

How does the Lacie 324 stack up against those two?

 

[geokilla]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: geokilla
xtknight, can anyone give me advice on which monitor to purchase from Canada Computers. My friend is looking to get one in the $200 price range. Samsung 2233BW seems to be a good monitor for the price. There's also a Dell S2209W on sale at dell for $189.99 today only.

Thanks.

Of course, we're open to suggestions as well, but we'd prefer to purchase from Canada Computers, unless that Dell monitor is really good.

The LG L226WTY is a great monitor, as is the Samsung T220. Simply take a look at the recommendations list. There are plenty of monitors I recommend that are there. I'd probably get the LG.

They don't sell the LG L226WTY anymore, so that's not an option. We're currently leaning towards the Samsung 2233BW cus it's only $199.99, compared to the T220's $219.99. He's already over his new-computer budget by around $100. There's no one to blame but both him and me.