[Retired] The LCD Thread

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: xnknown
hey guys, I'm looking for the best 24" monitor and I've got my choices down to three, the main thing is that I need the best overall monitor that doesn't require me to buy colorimeter and calibrate it

My choices are
BenQ G2400WD
Dell 2408wfp
HP LP 2475w

Please give me some advice on which one is best without any need for a colorimeter

HP LP2475w would provide best overall even after calibration due to the IPS panel.

Originally posted by: konakona
The ongoing deal on Doublesight DS-265w got me seriously consider if it's about time to jump on the H-IPS bandwagon. What worries me is lack of backlight control on this model. In case some of you are using this one already, please chime in and share your thoughts on that. On my diamondtron, stuff can get fairly bright with the "superbright" feature. While this might be a tad too bright for normal desktop use, my primary focus is watching video and gaming. I found superbright to be a welcome feature, so if "being overly bright to get the colors/contrast right" means about that bright, I wouldn't be so concerned.

Also, does anyone know what are the chances of getting A-TW polarizer with this monitor? Last I heard about it was a good bit of chance, but still a gamble.

between this Doublesight and the PX2611W, PX2611W got:

USB hub
better stand
HDMI input
more scaling options
better QC / customer support

With the doublesight though, you might get otherwise identical panel with A-TW polarizer if you are lucky. Am I on the right track?

SuperBright pushed brightness to about 300-400 nits if I recall. That's about the same max brightness as these panels.

Honestly I don't know about the A-TW stuff. I have heard so many conflicting reports about it I'm hesitant to attempt to be an authority on that subject. I wouldn't worry about it. An IPS panel without that special polarizer certainly isn't bad at all; in fact, it's probably far from "bad" like some people want to believe.

And I think you are on the right track by getting the Planar. That's why I recommend it more than the DS.

 

[xnknown]

is it safe to buy an the HP LP2475w on newegg? they basically have no return policy and there dead pixel policy is horrible

 

[konakona]

does the PX2611W have backlight control then? I wish there is a way to check these monitors out in person...

BIG EDIT: Funny as it may sound, I think I can stop worrying about planar vs doublesight altogether. By some odd luck, I figured the bases of PX2611W looked identical to that of PCBANK PBM-F260P. In fact, someone at hardforums mentioned PCBANK is the OEM manufacturer for Planar and DS, in which case I doubt there is a whole lot of difference between this and PX2611W. Dual DVI would be kinda cool too

The good part is I am going home in a few months (hopefully), and these things are available for $620ish (83.5k won) over there at the current exchange rate without any rebate, shipping and all that crappola. I almost forgot how important return/exchange aspect is when dealing with monitors of this size and cost, now it only makes sense for me to sit out till I get home.

 

[mmnno]

Originally posted by: konakona
does the PX2611W have backlight control then? I wish there is a way to check these monitors out in person...

BIG EDIT: Funny as it may sound, I think I can stop worrying about planar vs doublesight altogether. By some odd luck, I figured the bases of PX2611W looked identical to that of PCBANK PBM-F260P. In fact, someone at hardforums mentioned PCBANK is the OEM manufacturer for Planar and DS, in which case I doubt there is a whole lot of difference between this and PX2611W. Dual DVI would be kinda cool too

The good part is I am going home in a few months (hopefully), and these things are available for $620ish (83.5k won) over there at the current exchange rate without any rebate, shipping and all that crappola. I almost forgot how important return/exchange aspect is when dealing with monitors of this size and cost, now it only makes sense for me to sit out till I get home.

Yes, the planar has backlight control. The only monitors I've heard don't have it are the 265W and some Hazros.

If you can buy in Korea you may as well, you get better stuff for cheaper than they cost in the States. That model you linked looks identical to my Doublesight 263N, in fact I am sure it is the same monitor. It would have been better for everyone if they had just kept producing the 263N instead of butchering the product to make the 265W.

I've no idea if any Korean monitors have the A-TW polarizer (mine does) but it should be a good monitor even without it.

 

[konakona]

Most of computer gadgets are sold much closer to their MSRP due to the lack of all the rebates, coupons and whatnot we have on the stateside. Video cards can be very expensive with much lower demand on them (FPS market just started growing basically), sometimes up to twice as much as you would pay for one here. Some mobos get introduced well over several months later, sometimes never. Monitors and cases are about the only things that are cheaper in Korea. For a bit I thought the heavy discount on the 265w was worth it... Thanks for talking me out of it

 

[Paladin]

Originally posted by: xnknown
is it safe to buy an the HP LP2475w on newegg? they basically have no return policy and there dead pixel policy is horrible

Check Provatage pricegrabber

 

[goodCat]

Hey guys. I'm trying to determine how much will weigh the display (24") I'm about to purchase without the stand (Benq FP241W or HP LP2465 ~ 10.7 kg). I want to mount it on an ergotron lx stand that supports a maximum of 9.1 kg. Will this be able to sustain the weight? thanks!

 

[DaveLessnau]

Assuming I've got the right Ergotron LX stand (the 9.1 kg weight limit agrees), it looks like it should support the HP (7 kg), but probably not the BenQ (10.2 kg). They both use the standard 100x100 VESA mount, though:

Ergotron LX & HP LP2465

and

Ergotron & BenQ FP241W

It looks like you'd need an MX arm instead of the LX to support the BenQ.

 

[goodCat]

thanks a lot, Dave. this is rather odd. the benq stands appear to weigh only 400 grams, whereas the hp weighs 3.7 kg. that's a huge difference and the benq seems to be even sturdier from the pics.

 

[squirrel9]

Don't know if this helps, but.....

I've had an Ergotron "Neo-Flex LCD Arm with Extension" for years. It has easily held a number of 24-inch monitors with no problem -- including the Dell 2408WFP and the HP LP2475w that I've mentioned here.

Seems like those are a bit "bigger" but not "heavier" than the arm specs for. I've been entirely happy with its ability to hold these things....

 

[Cometer]

I'm going insane regarding the choice of a monitor. I play games a lot and I don't want a monitor that can affect my response time in games due to huge lag. But I also use the computer for all sorts of other stuff such as watching movies and work. I'm a software developer.
I do pretty much everything on the computer. I'm divided between the Benq G2400WD or the HP LP2475w 24" S-IPS .

I don't mind paying more for a quality monitor. What I want is a good overall experience that doesn't affect my gaming habits. Is there any consensus on what is the best choice for this type of uses?

 

[spacemanspliff1]

Price difference is huge there. The Hp is twice as much but maybe 10-15% better? Not for me man. I am probably getting the BenQ directly from them. Newegg pixel policy is laughable. I'll pay more for a guaranteed perfect monitor.

 

[Winterpool]

Originally posted by: KevinC

Originally posted by: xnknown
is it safe to buy an the HP LP2475w on newegg? they basically have no return policy and there dead pixel policy is horrible

Check Provatage pricegrabber

Provantage has the HP LP2475w for $538 after you including shipping fees (PriceGrabber doesn't seem to show Provantage, but Froogle did). They've a 30-day return policy. No idea if choice of vendor has any effect on the quality distribution, but I believe most punters prefer Provantage over Newegg owing to the return policies.

 

[spacemanspliff1]

This would be the model to get if I wanted a BenQ right? I can return it within 30 days for any reason?

http://www.provantage.com/benq-g2400wd~7BEN900W.htm

Thanks. Really want a larger screen than my old Sony G500.

 

[spacemanspliff1]

Waiting on the 120hz 3d glasses X-Bit review too. Anything else new to wait on?

 

[GEOrifle]

$500 for 24" HP monitor ? I'm sorry...

What about ASUS and LG and SAMSUNG monitors? for $250-300 ??

SAMSUNG $269 http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824001309

ASUS $269 http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824236049

LG $320 http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824005126


Any recommendation ?

 

[squirrel9]

Originally posted by: GEOrifle
$500 for 24" HP monitor ? I'm sorry...

What about ASUS and LG and SAMSUNG monitors? for $250-300 ??

Any recommendation?

Sure. Go take a good look at an IPS or PVA monitor, and then you'll understand why people spend $500 and more for them, instead of half those prices for TN panels. Or, just check out any TN screen, and notice how it's really, really dark at the top of the screen, and really, really light at the bottom of the screen. It doesn't have to be that way -- you just have to spend more money. There's more to it than that, but that's a quick start....

 

[xtknight]

Hey guys,

I have been pretty busy lately especially studying for finals, etc. I'll do my best to respond to a lot of the messages here but that's about all I can say. I can't promise to respond to everyone.

Originally posted by: Cometer
I'm going insane regarding the choice of a monitor. I play games a lot and I don't want a monitor that can affect my response time in games due to huge lag. But I also use the computer for all sorts of other stuff such as watching movies and work. I'm a software developer.
I do pretty much everything on the computer. I'm divided between the Benq G2400WD or the HP LP2475w 24" S-IPS .

I don't mind paying more for a quality monitor. What I want is a good overall experience that doesn't affect my gaming habits. Is there any consensus on what is the best choice for this type of uses?

I would try the LP2475w in this case. Its input lag is likely not noticeable. I always levitate away from TN displays unless your only activity is gaming, which clearly it is not.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: GEOrifle
$500 for 24" HP monitor ? I'm sorry...

Why not...I mean what is $500 vs $300 over 3-4 years of time and constant PC use...?

What about ASUS and LG and SAMSUNG monitors? for $250-300 ??

SAMSUNG $269 http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824001309

ASUS $269 http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824236049

LG $320 http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824005126


Any recommendation ?

I'm not familiar with any of these models but I guess if you're going cheap you can go real cheap. Maybe not worth spending $350 on a TN like the G2400WD when you can just get the LP2475w.

 

[Cometer]

So even for a hardcore gamer that plays lots of FPS but also uses the PC for work, movie watching and web the HP LP2475w would be the better choice right?

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Cometer
I'm going insane regarding the choice of a monitor. I play games a lot and I don't want a monitor that can affect my response time in games due to huge lag. But I also use the computer for all sorts of other stuff such as watching movies and work. I'm a software developer.
I do pretty much everything on the computer. I'm divided between the Benq G2400WD or the HP LP2475w 24" S-IPS .

I don't mind paying more for a quality monitor. What I want is a good overall experience that doesn't affect my gaming habits. Is there any consensus on what is the best choice for this type of uses?

I have just ordered LG W2452V LCD monitor (TN based) ,review here at PRAD ,anyway I have 42" LG ( IPS based) LCD TV,TN based laptop,P-MVA 20" LCD monitor so pretty versed with the different types of LCDs you can get as well as Pro's and Con's.

I'll post my personal opinion later once my LG 24" LCD monitor arrives(my main use if for gaming and general internet use).

UPDATE on my order, looks like I might be getting the Asus VW246 model(16:9 version with 1920x1080 res)) since the lG 2452v model is out of stock,anyway I keep you posted once it arrives.

 

[Chaotic42]

Does anyone have an ICC for the Dell 2408?

 

[Winterpool]

Cometer, I thought you'd decided TN, specifically the G2400WD, was for you (I was under the impression even minor input lag would be problematic for your gaming). I do realise it's tough to settle on a choice. Even now, a month after ordering my Dell 2209WA, I'm tempted to pull the trigger on an HP LP2475w.

XTKnight, may I ask where you've to sit Finals so soon as April? Or you're one of those early and well-prepared types I envied so much at uni?

 

[spacemanspliff1]

I can't take any lag at all. I wish I could but I tried an acer 24" and it was ok but I kept losing close fights because of shuddering? Just that when it got really fast, things blurred pretty bad and screwed up my reflexes. Even with a crt, I have to lower the settings to ensure smoothest possible frames in cod2. Just wish a new fps would come out that could compete for my attention lol. I've tried everything else and cod2 modded servers like outlaw and when I want to fart around IAF (nice folks) give me the best pubbing experience.

CRTs still own imo. I just wish lcds or flat screens of some sort would get it together already. I want a 26" with speed and deep blacks.

 

[goodCat]

xtknight, I was hoping to help me out in choosing a 24" display. After tons of reading reviews and comments I ended up with the following 3:
Benq FP241W, HP LP2465 and LG L245WP-BN. There's no doubt that thsese are all great multi-purpose monitors, but I am really puzzeled about which one to choose.
I like the connectivity and positive feedback for the benq, but I am very concerned about the blackout problem that some users expirienced and apparently nobody knows what causes it. Also I heard something about buzzing and overheating.

The LG uses the same panel, but it lacks de dvi port. In some reviews there seems to be some problems with the gamma curve and some users reported that the colors look washed out.

Finally, the hp - which seems great, but it is an old model with basic connectivity.

Can you please advice me in this regard? I will be using it mostly foe webdesign (photoshop graphics for the web), coding, office use, movies and so on. No games.

thanks in advance!