[Retired] The LCD Thread

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Any comments on the DELL S2309W?

A good value monitor but its a typical TN otherwise. The resolution is good for those solely caring about 16:9 material.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: RobertR1
Xt,

Would the Dell UltraSharp 3008WFP be the best 30inch option for gaming and just general desktop usage? Would it certainly be a step up for my Dell 2405 in terms of lag, motion resolution and such?

Or should I stick with 24inches and get the BenQ which everyone seems to love.

The 3008WFP would definitely be a step up from what you have now. The BenQ is good, but it's a TN, and in terms of the viewing angle and image detail, that will probably be a step down from what you have now. The response time of the BenQ and IPS-based 3008WFP isn't that different so the 3008WFP is a better overall panel but it's also very pricey as I'm sure you're aware. Consider the 3007WFP-HC as well: it's still available from Dell.

Thanks XT. I ordered the 3008WFP. Just curious, outside of being cheaper, is there anything the 3007WFP-HC does better and where does the 3008 excel against it?

 

[DJFuji]

Originally posted by: kalrith
DJFuji, how far do you sit from the screen? I couldn't imagine working with a 40" monitor from closer than 4 feet away (even then it would be huge). If you are 4 feet or farther away, then even a 28" will be on the small side. You could always meet in the middle and get a 32-37" TV. I'm strongly leaning that way myself. I sit 3 feet away from my screen, so 32" should be perfect for me.

Hm, you're probably right. I sit about 2' away right now with a 24" Dell and a 21" CRT. I'd love to junk the CRT as its lost about 50% of its brightness, but the response time in quake and CS is just SO fast compared to any LCD i've had that i dont want to get rid of it.

I guess in an ideal world i'd have two height-adjustable 28" monitors side by side with a 40" monitor attached to the wall above them.

 

[kalrith]

Originally posted by: DJFuji

Originally posted by: kalrith
DJFuji, how far do you sit from the screen? I couldn't imagine working with a 40" monitor from closer than 4 feet away (even then it would be huge). If you are 4 feet or farther away, then even a 28" will be on the small side. You could always meet in the middle and get a 32-37" TV. I'm strongly leaning that way myself. I sit 3 feet away from my screen, so 32" should be perfect for me.

Hm, you're probably right. I sit about 2' away right now with a 24" Dell and a 21" CRT. I'd love to junk the CRT as its lost about 50% of its brightness, but the response time in quake and CS is just SO fast compared to any LCD i've had that i dont want to get rid of it.

I guess in an ideal world i'd have two height-adjustable 28" monitors side by side with a 40" monitor attached to the wall above them.

Maybe 3 side-by-side 28" monitors running at 5400x1050 resolution is what you want: surround gaming via Matrox TripleHead2Go.

However, at 2' away a 32" 1080p LCD would be pretty awesome. It would be 69% larger than your 24".

 

[DJFuji]

dude, that's not even fair... look at how much more you see on CSS. It's like 100% larger FOV.

Sigh... Maybe i *do* want that...

Imagine gaming at 3x 40" 1080P wide screen from 10' back. One word for that: Nirvana

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Can one game on the HP LP2475w or is it pretty bad for such applications?

The DELL 2408 is back at $600 and is now less appealing.

Anyone?

 

[chilledinsanity]

GTaudiophile: Well I can only base this on my experience, but yes, you can game on the LP2475W, but depending on the game and settings it can feel "floaty". If you've ever looked at a webcam that updates itself slightly slower than what it's recording, that's exactly what it feels like. I'm spoiled by CRTs, so the delay to me was quite noticeable. You can definitely play games on it, but the good responsiveness I'm used to was just not there. If you're a casual gamer, it will probably be okay. If you play FPS's or racing games or anything fast-paced, you may be disappointed.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Any opinions on the DELL 2209WA?

This might be my new monitor of choice. Seems like a great value.

 

[DJFuji]

Do any LCDs feel the same as gaming on a CRT?

 

[DaveLessnau]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Any opinions on the DELL 2209WA?

This might be my new monitor of choice. Seems like a great value.

I bought this for the wife. It can't hold a candle to my NEC 20WMGX2, but I'm very pleased with it. The colors, brightness and backlighting are all excellent. She doesn't do any twitch-type gaming, so I can't say too much about response time. But, we haven't noticed any lag in applications, games, or movies. The one thing I do notice is a sort of graininess to the image. That's probably because I can compare it to my 20WMGX2 which is two inches smaller with the same resolution (1680x1050), and has a glossy finish instead of a matte one. On the other hand, looking at the 2209WA doesn't hurt my eyes. Whereas, even with the brightness turned way down, my 20WMGX2 is a bit too bright.

If you do decide on the 2209WA, either look around the web for discount codes or wait for another Dell sale. Usually, those will knock $50 off the current $279 list price. The reason I went ahead and actually bought it was that Dell had a sale where they knocked $50 off and paid for the shipping. For $243 (after tax), I was willing to gamble on a 22 inch e-IPS monitor with good reviews.

Overall, if I had to replace the NEC 20WMGX2 that I use, I'd get myself a Dell 2209WA.

 

[GTaudiophile]

I am just trying to decide how much money I want to part with.

My options at the moment at the DELL 2408WFP, HP LP2475w, or DELL 2209WA.

I am really thinking that $600 is too much for the 24" DELL. I should have bought it earlier this week for $470. I wonder when the next sale will be...

 

[Machinus]

Help!!!!

I have the Planar PX2611W and the Eye One Display Two.

I have attempted to calibrate my monitor several times, but it always ends in disaster.

The configuration software asks you to adjust the RGB gain levels until they fall within the optimal range given by the digital meter, but when I follow these instructions the optimal color looks horribly red and is not 6500 at all.

My monitor has RGB gain, RGB offsets, saturation, brightness, and contrast levels. The EODT software doesn't seem to help when the "RGB controls" calibration turns everything red.

My monitor looks really nice when I set it by eye, but I want it to be more accurate. Is my colorimeter broken?

 

[zod96]

I really really wish they made a 22 inch or 24 inch all black IPS or PVA or MVA glossy LCD :-( This Dell 2209WA is great but I think the matte screen is soo boring. Next to a glossy screen the colors on the Dell look fade dull and dreary...

 

[OPaul]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I am just trying to decide how much money I want to part with.

My options at the moment at the DELL 2408WFP, HP LP2475w, or DELL 2209WA.

I am really thinking that $600 is too much for the 24" DELL. I should have bought it earlier this week for $470. I wonder when the next sale will be...

I recommended getting the Dell 2408WFP through the following seller on EBay. I did, and had no problems at all. The box was unopened, and it is a revA02. Plus I have confirmed the 5 year warranty it comes with. Just be sure to ask him to send you the warranty information.

http://*****.com/NEW-Dell-UltraSharp-2408wfp-24-inch-LCD-DVI-HDMI-5YR_W0QQitemZ120421125961QQcmdZViewItemQQptZComputer_Monitors?hash=item1c09a88f49&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

Riiiight... apparently the word Ebay is censored... well it's item #120421125961 on that popular online auction site.

 

[mastertech01]

I am contemplating buying a refurbished 2007fp since I hate wide flat panels. I want the S-IPS panel and one ebay seller has the refurbs for about 159.00 and states his are S-IPS. I asked him how he knows for sure they are the LG S-IPS and he says the serial number ends with an L. Would this be all that is necessary to tell it is S-IPS LG?

 

[Hadsus]

Picked up the LG w2452t today from Best Buy. I've been using the Samsung 215tw the last few years and have few complaints except I want more real estate. And since I prefer to see the monitor in person before I buy I went to the B&Ms first. And unfortunately, the choices or return policies suck. I was interested in a 24 inch Sammy at Office Depot but they don't take returns unless something is wrong. BB, on the other hand, allows you to return no questions asked. Unfortunately the pickings are slim and the 24 inch Sammy I was interested in is discontinued. Only the LG was a possibility and they had just one in stock, the display model. I got it for $299 so it was a good deal.

First impressions.....image quality certainly not as good as the 215tw but that uses an s-pva and the LG is TN. But color and flesh tones are very reasonable IMO. Viewing angles not bad at all on the LG though color does change a bit north and south, east to west. Not distracting so far. Love the real estate on this 24 incher.

Gaming....I play TF2 religiously and pretty much nothing else these days. Big difference here compared to the Sammy. It is a noticeably a quicker panel and in my first round of TF2 2Fort I cleaned up. While the Sammy has the advantage with image quality, the LG owns in gaming.

I notice there is very little info on this monitor in terms of reviews and such. One common theme is that it is priced too high for what you get....and you get no speaker (don't care about that personally), hdmi (meh), usb slots (I could always use those). But since I got this el cheapo, that's OK.

I post final thoughts when I get around to playing with the monitor enough.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: Machinus
Help!!!!

I have the Planar PX2611W and the Eye One Display Two.

I have attempted to calibrate my monitor several times, but it always ends in disaster.

The configuration software asks you to adjust the RGB gain levels until they fall within the optimal range given by the digital meter, but when I follow these instructions the optimal color looks horribly red and is not 6500 at all.

My monitor has RGB gain, RGB offsets, saturation, brightness, and contrast levels. The EODT software doesn't seem to help when the "RGB controls" calibration turns everything red.

My monitor looks really nice when I set it by eye, but I want it to be more accurate. Is my colorimeter broken?

Try turning down your contrast. If the whites are clipped then setting the white level with RGB controls will not work well.

Use some websites that try to show you white levels and set your monitor so you can differentiate between all of them.

 

[Mem]

The way I do it is get brightness and contrast to the way I like via general viewing and test charts,then at night use a colour calibration device to setup for colours etc..if its TN panel then you may need to pump up the saturation a touch after (some monitors like Asus have saturation adjustment etc...)depending if you like deep looking colours.

I actually got "scenery mode" on my Asus VW246H looking very well balanced even for TN panel.


Normally pretty easy to get any LCD looking the way I like it with a calibration device ,even with a TN panel.

 

[geokilla]

Samsung 2243SWX

It's a 21.5" LCD monitor that has a 1920X1080 native resolution, thus making it true widescreen. The specs seem pretty good and it's definitely than my Sharp that I'm currently using.

I'm your occasional gamer/multimedia uer and I realize that games usually go from 1680X1050 to 1920X1200. Would my games run fine at 1920X1080 or should I look into another monitor?

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: Mem
The way I do it is get brightness and contrast to the way I like via general viewing and test charts,then at night use a colour calibration device to setup for colours etc..if its TN panel then you may need to pump up the saturation a touch after (some monitors like Asus have saturation adjustment etc...)depending if you like deep looking colours.

I actually got "scenery mode" on my Asus VW246H looking very well balanced even for TN panel.


Normally pretty easy to get any LCD looking the way I like it with a calibration device ,even with a TN panel.

Adjusting saturation is the same as adjusting the individual RGB values expect that RGB adjustment is normally used on PCs while saturation adjustment is used on TV's and video devices. The PP is using his software to adjust software to get his target white point. Adjusting the saturation may throw off his adjustments he made to the RGB values to get the white point. In addition, adjusting saturation could lead to channel clipping which is never good.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: geokilla
Samsung 2243SWX

It's a 21.5" LCD monitor that has a 1920X1080 native resolution, thus making it true widescreen. The specs seem pretty good and it's definitely than my Sharp that I'm currently using.

I'm your occasional gamer/multimedia uer and I realize that games usually go from 1680X1050 to 1920X1200. Would my games run fine at 1920X1080 or should I look into another monitor?

My Asus VW246H is 1920x1080 native res,anyway I have a lot of games that run at 1920x1080 res or can via hack,go to Widescreen gaming for ws game support .

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: Mem
The way I do it is get brightness and contrast to the way I like via general viewing and test charts,then at night use a colour calibration device to setup for colours etc..if its TN panel then you may need to pump up the saturation a touch after (some monitors like Asus have saturation adjustment etc...)depending if you like deep looking colours.

I actually got "scenery mode" on my Asus VW246H looking very well balanced even for TN panel.


Normally pretty easy to get any LCD looking the way I like it with a calibration device ,even with a TN panel.

Adjusting saturation is the same as adjusting the individual RGB values expect that RGB adjustment is normally used on PCs while saturation adjustment is used on TV's and video devices. The PP is using his software to adjust software to get his target white point. Adjusting the saturation may throw off his adjustments he made to the RGB values to get the white point. In addition, adjusting saturation could lead to channel clipping which is never good.

Yes I take your point,but in my case its for mainly gaming and general use on Scenery mode,I can go back to the untouched calibrated setting by using "normal mode" on my Asus at a touch at a button.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: decaflame
xtknight et al.,

I, like many others here, am in the market for a new monitor. Preferably, I'd like this monitor to be 23 or 24", as that seems to be about the largest they can be before costing you an arm and a leg. My problem is that I may have some unrealistic expectations for a monitor based on what I'm currently using. Ultimately, while I'm not a hardcore gamer, I would prefer for my monitor to have decent input lag and response rates (<25 ms) for those occasions when I do want to game. I am also wary of TN panels because of viewing angle issues and their associated discoloration. Lastly, my monitor must have a height adjustment, as I am quite tall and can't have a monitor hugging my desk.

I currently have a Viewsonic VP191B 8ms model, which has performed fantastically in all of these regards. It is MVA technology, which gains the benefit of good viewing angles and high contrast ratios, but was one of the first to incorporate a solid overdrive feature that allows the responsiveness of the monitor to not be an issue when gaming (at least, in my experience). It has decent colors (8-bit), if slightly washed out at times, and as I mentioned before as a personal requirement, has a height adjustment. I paid about ~$420 for this monitor 4 years ago and consider it a well worthwhile investment.

My dilemma is that I can't seem to find a similar monitor in the 24" range that satisfies these same criterion. The closest thing I can find is the HP LP2475W or Dell 2408WFP, both of which seem to have their own share of issues. I am terrified of sinking $500 or more into a new monitor only to find that it's responsiveness is not as good as my old one or that the coloration is unnatural and not easily controlled. I know that Dell has recently released revision A02 for their 2408WFP, but I cannot find any solid information about what changes have been made over A01, or whether there is further improvement in the input lag issue many reported during the monitor's initial release. The LP2475W seems to have detractors in terms of color uniformity, but honestly, I'd probably be willing to ship it back and get a replacement if it meant ultimately getting the right monitor.

I suppose, in that sense, my priorities are:

1. 23 or 24" inches
2. Height adjustment
3. Responsiveness for gaming
4. Viewing angles
5. Decent picture

I would be perfectly happy with another MVA-based panel provided it had good responsiveness like my Viewsonic, but as I mentioned before, the Dell failed miserably in that regard. If the monitor I'm looking for doesn't exist right now, then it doesn't, and if waiting for the technology to mature another 6-18 months is the right thing to do I will do that. Just looking for some reassurance and feedback.

Thanks,
-Deca

Well, you're lucky to have a VP191b that performs admirably in those aspects, actually. ViewSonic's 24" VX2435wm actually has quite bad response time problems on darker tones.

The HP LP2475w is probably your best option despite the chance of getting a panel with bad uniformity. The Dell 2408WFP may also work, however. Its response time is quite decent, but the LP2475w would have better viewing angles. According to various sources the A01 rev of the 2408WFP reduced lag to 2 frames, the same as the LP2475w. A02 is very new, and I'm not sure either what changes have been made.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: DJFuji
Costco has the 28" Hanns.G HG-281DPB for $300 w/ $25 S&H. Tempting.

I'm guessing that's probably still not worth it considering the awful review it got on extremetech?

Yeah, I don't think you're going to like it very much. 28" TNs are not very high quality.

I'm really caught between a 24-28" WUXGA monitor or a 40" LCD 1080p. The LCD will obviously be better for TV and such, but half the time i watch tv on the projector anyway. Can anyone comment on how practical it is to use a 40" 1080p HDTV as a primary monitor for general work/computer/web usage?

I've used my 37" 1080p this way before but I thought it was way too big for normal use.

Originally posted by: chilledinsanity
Well after even more research, I think my ideal monitor doesn't exist. I tried looking at a lot of TN panels, but I just can't get used to vertical viewing angles (even when looking at it head on). Here's my new criteria:

-24"
-normal color gamut
-VA panel (I read these are more forgiving for video compression artifacts, which is semi-important to me)
-really minimal input lag (may not exist)
-Can actually buy it (I'm located in the USA)

The HP LP2465 may meet your criteria (except for the input lag part?)

The LCD2490WUXi is another possibility but I suppose due to the higher quality IPS panel it would reveal more compression artifacts.

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Can one game on the HP LP2475w or is it pretty bad for such applications?

The DELL 2408 is back at $600 and is now less appealing.

I'm pretty sure gaming on the LP2475w is very possible. Many people game on 3-frame lag monitors and the HP only has 2 frames of lag on average.

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: RobertR1
Xt,

Would the Dell UltraSharp 3008WFP be the best 30inch option for gaming and just general desktop usage? Would it certainly be a step up for my Dell 2405 in terms of lag, motion resolution and such?

Or should I stick with 24inches and get the BenQ which everyone seems to love.

The 3008WFP would definitely be a step up from what you have now. The BenQ is good, but it's a TN, and in terms of the viewing angle and image detail, that will probably be a step down from what you have now. The response time of the BenQ and IPS-based 3008WFP isn't that different so the 3008WFP is a better overall panel but it's also very pricey as I'm sure you're aware. Consider the 3007WFP-HC as well: it's still available from Dell.

Thanks XT. I ordered the 3008WFP. Just curious, outside of being cheaper, is there anything the 3007WFP-HC does better and where does the 3008 excel against it?

The 3008WFP just has more connectors and image adjustments, but other than that, it has the same quality IPS panel as the 3007WFP-HC.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Machinus
Help!!!!

I have the Planar PX2611W and the Eye One Display Two.

I have attempted to calibrate my monitor several times, but it always ends in disaster.

The configuration software asks you to adjust the RGB gain levels until they fall within the optimal range given by the digital meter, but when I follow these instructions the optimal color looks horribly red and is not 6500 at all.

My monitor has RGB gain, RGB offsets, saturation, brightness, and contrast levels. The EODT software doesn't seem to help when the "RGB controls" calibration turns everything red.

My monitor looks really nice when I set it by eye, but I want it to be more accurate. Is my colorimeter broken?

I would try turning down contrast as PurdueRy said, as this goes hand-in-hand with RGB controls. It usually needs to be 50% or less to show the whole grayscale. Maybe even less if you made the RGB controls >50% too.

Originally posted by: mastertech01
I am contemplating buying a refurbished 2007fp since I hate wide flat panels. I want the S-IPS panel and one ebay seller has the refurbs for about 159.00 and states his are S-IPS. I asked him how he knows for sure they are the LG S-IPS and he says the serial number ends with an L. Would this be all that is necessary to tell it is S-IPS LG?

Well that's what Wikipedia says, along with other sources...

Originally posted by: geokilla
Samsung 2243SWX

It's a 21.5" LCD monitor that has a 1920X1080 native resolution, thus making it true widescreen. The specs seem pretty good and it's definitely than my Sharp that I'm currently using.

I'm your occasional gamer/multimedia uer and I realize that games usually go from 1680X1050 to 1920X1200. Would my games run fine at 1920X1080 or should I look into another monitor?

Going from 1680x1050 to 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 is not that big of a jump. The main thing that stresses video cards is antialiasing, the performance load of which will jump quadratically when raising resolution.