[Retired] The LCD Thread

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Javi

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May 17, 2009
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Hi,

I'm looking to buy a LCD screen with 0 input lag (mainly for ps3/360 console games).

I had a look at the first post's HARDCORE GAMING list and only two models are listed with 0ms lag, the LG Flatron L227WTG-PF and the Samsung SyncMaster 2493HM.

I'm now stuck with conflicting evidence as prad says they are 0ms lag while DigitalVersus says that these two monitors average 27ms and 23ms lag respectively?

http://www.digitalversus.com/d...&mo2=468&p2=4593&ph=12

Any insight or comment to this? Sorry if this has been resolved already since I haven't read through the thread except for the first page.

Thanks.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: Javi
Hi,

I'm looking to buy a LCD screen with 0 input lag (mainly for ps3/360 console games).

I had a look at the first post's HARDCORE GAMING list and only two models are listed with 0ms lag, the LG Flatron L227WTG-PF and the Samsung SyncMaster 2493HM.

I'm now stuck with conflicting evidence as prad says they are 0ms lag while DigitalVersus says that these two monitors average 27ms and 23ms lag respectively?

http://www.digitalversus.com/d...&mo2=468&p2=4593&ph=12

Any insight or comment to this? Sorry if this has been resolved already since I haven't read through the thread except for the first page.

Thanks.

Yeah this has already been looked into but we think DigitalVersus's reading is in error, or there are regional differences (DigitalVersus is based in France or Belgium I believe).
 

Luddite

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Nov 24, 2003
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Hi, I had a question regarding glossy screens.

Is the gloss on the LCD panel itself, or is it on whatever material is used to cover the panel (i.e. the outer glass. e.g. like on the iMac).

Thanks.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: Luddite
Hi, I had a question regarding glossy screens.

Is the gloss on the LCD panel itself, or is it on whatever material is used to cover the panel (i.e. the outer glass. e.g. like on the iMac).

Thanks.

It is actually on the LCD panel itself instead of a matte, anti-glare coating being over it.
 

zod96

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I've actually decided to sell my Dell 2209WA. I just can't get used to the matte screen. To me a glossy screen be it a TN panel or not just looks so much nicer. The Dell with its matte screen just looks so dull. Anyway I've got it F/S in the F/S thread for $200 if anyone is interested....Its back to my LG L227WTG-PF
 

PurdueRy

Lifer
Nov 12, 2004
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Originally posted by: zod96
I've actually decided to sell my Dell 2209WA. I just can't get used to the matte screen. To me a glossy screen be it a TN panel or not just looks so much nicer. The Dell with its matte screen just looks so dull. Anyway I've got it F/S in the F/S thread for $200 if anyone is interested....Its back to my LG L227WTG-PF

Perhaps its not the gloss you liked but the wide gamut in applications without icc profile recognition?
 

Mem

Lifer
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Originally posted by: zod96
I've actually decided to sell my Dell 2209WA. I just can't get used to the matte screen. To me a glossy screen be it a TN panel or not just looks so much nicer. The Dell with its matte screen just looks so dull. Anyway I've got it F/S in the F/S thread for $200 if anyone is interested....Its back to my LG L227WTG-PF

I actually prefer matt screen over gloss(I have both) also with matt no reflections and they can look very crisp as well,colour is not an issue on matt screen ,infact my matt screen on my Asus TN looks better colour wise then my Dell TN panel which has a gloss screen.


 

mrcupholder

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May 12, 2009
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Originally posted by: xtknight
You're right, I did kind of neglect that monitor after going off on a tangent about >22" ones.

I just happened to see the prad review and I've added it to the photo editing section as well. We were a little unsure of it at first because we didn't know how value-oriented this e-IPS panel was or whether it would have a lot of QA problems but so far so good and its image quality rivals other IPS panels.

Yeah I definitely see where you're coming from. The 2209WA should be a great choice for you. And even some of the "pro" monitors might not cover 100% sRGB...there may be those small variations. Don't let that be a big deal. Based on the prad review the 2209WA has quite decent default color accuracy as well.

Thanks for your response on this. It helps to re-assure me. I've read about this monitor in a few places and was thinking of pulling the pin on two of these as I mentioned in my previous post. However I was still a little concerned about buying one, seeing as it was left out here in the sRGB category and also because it is a product that I basically have to buy sight unseen. This has helped to alleviate my concern.
Dell pretty much only deals online. The only place I know of where I can see a Dell product before buying is at 1 local shopping centre. I don't know of any others and thier presence there is really just a "kiosk". They have probably no more than about 6 systems on display meaning that it is very unlikely they would have this particular monitor on display for me to see before buying.
That being said any of the other higher end IPS displays are also unlikely to be on display regardless of brand simply because of thier cost. Stores don't want to have this kind of product on display. They just want to sell it. That being said I did find the exception to the rule the other day at a photographic supplies store. That had it on display inside a glass cabinet however the silly thing was, it wasn't turned on, I just didn't see the point of having it on diplay if it wasn't going to be turned on. Ah well.

Depending on how things go I may end up getting these sooner rather than later. My current screen (Mitsubishi DV197SB, bought before I knew anything of what I know now about LCD technology) despite being calibrated and looking better because of it, is starting to drive me nuts because it get slightly darker at the top and I'm starting to notice it more and more as I start doing more photo editting.

Thanks again for your help.



Edit: P.S - Zod96 if you were in Australia I'd happily buy your 2209WA off you, however your in the USA. I prefer matte screens and have been investigating into these and am now after the advice received here pretty much set to buy two of them once my budget allows.
 

zod96

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Err actually after looking at the LG again and the DELL, I will say this. I can really really notice a color shift on the LG when just moving my head slightly where as the DELL is spot on every time not matter where you move your head...
 

PurdueRy

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Originally posted by: zod96
Err actually after looking at the LG again and the DELL, I will say this. I can really really notice a color shift on the LG when just moving my head slightly where as the DELL is spot on every time not matter where you move your head...

That's TN vs. IPS and PVA for you.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Why no reviews of the HP L2445W?

Seems to be very similar to the DELL 2408 at almost half the cost.

Edit: Is the 2445 a TN display? I can't tell yet...

According to the specs it is a "Wide-aspect active matrix TFT"

Ya usually when it says that it means TN. And you can tell by the viewing angles of 160/160.
 

legend4life

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May 18, 2009
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Looking for some advice on a unique monitor setup, this thread seems to be one of the most knowledgeable places on the net for monitor info. So I have 2 separate applications I need screens for.

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The first (and probably easier decision) is for my office, we only get laptops to work on, and I know I could be more productive with more screen real estate and using a larger screen in conjunction with my 15" laptop screen.

For a single screen, as multiple screens plus laptop would probably look too strange for the office, I would assume bigger is better here....but obviously price becomes an issue above 22" it seems, and I don't know much about quality. If it will be a better setup though I am not strongly opposed to doing multiple screens, but I think it may be overkill.

Primary use is Word, Excel, Lotus Notes, database queries, usually have 8-10+ programs running, and actively working with the same amount of Excel application instances. I have poor eyesight and my eyes often get over stressed (tired/sore/blurry/stressed to the point of getting styes/hordeolum, etc at times), so considering I will be looking at this screen from 8-5 everyday, something easy on the eyes would help and be worth it.

This seems to be the best deal on the net for value right now: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824236051 with mostly good reviews for a 22" 1080p at 160 shipped, and ($5 cheaper at ZZF but haven't dealt with them http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/...p?ProductCode=10009786 ), but I'm not sure how good these screens really are. I've bought a cheap 19" LCD before for $400 about 5 yrs ago, and it lasted 3 years or so. I don't think its worth spending money for the top of the line, as the prices continue to drop so fast on bigger and better screens, so I am looking for something that will suit me well, for a good deal so I won't waste so much money tossing it/upgrading in a few years. Any recommendations/suggestions/advice?

2.
The second application gets a bit more complicated and interesting=D. This is for my home office, I'm an FX (foreign exchange/currency) trader, and I need to be able to view at least 12+ charts at once, plus my execution platform, some chat windows, videos, and some other programs.

I will be spending a LOT of time in front of these screens, probably a solid 4-8 hours at home every day AFTER work, so anything that can help my poor eyes will be great. With all the stuff I want to be able to view, and maximize productivity, it sounds to me like multiple screens is the way to go here. I am thinking anywhere from 2-6 screens, ranging in size from 19s to 30s, whatever will give the maximum screen real estate, usability, comfort, productivity, and value. I don't need to buy them all at once, I can start with 1, 2, and build up from there.

Now I have seen that sometimes if using fewer large monitors it can be a pain to re-size all the windows you want to view on each one to all fit together how you want them, and you lose a lot of space between the borders of all the stacked windows on one screen. And it also may be easier to have more smaller screens for organiziation purposes as you can dedicate each screen for a specific task and maximize it, to quickly just look to that screen for what you want to do, without having to worry about re-sizing/stacking windows, etc.

19's are only $110 shipped now, so could pretty cheapy get 6-8 of them for the price of one or less than the price of 2 big 30" screens. Of course then the mounting and video card setups get a big more complex too though. The same 22" for $160 shipped above, in 2-4 seems like a good setup also. Please share your thoughts/advice/suggestions. Thanks!!
 

maax

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May 19, 2009
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I'm looking for a LCD with CRT like gaming performance.
My aim is a 1920x1200 24" screen.
I have bin looking at the Benq G2400WD.
But I don't know if a want to use TN again.

My current LCD is a Syncmaster 204B.
I really like my new LCD to be a upgrade in all aspects.
 

ChipT

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May 20, 2009
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Ok, so I'm building a new system because me current one just isn't cutting it. Ever since I began using Photoshop and Vegas Video, my system has been chugging. As long as I'm optimizing for photo and video editing, I figured I should get a monitor that would make it all worthwhile.

I would like some advice on what to look for in a quality monitor. In addition, do you have any specific suggestions? And what type of calibration tool would you recommend (or can I get by just using a site like this: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/)?

My budget is about $500 for both the monitor and the calibration tool (if needed), but the cheaper the better (within reason). I think that I'd prefer to avoid a wide-gamut display if possible. I'm slowly changing my allegiance to Google's Chrome, and Google's Picasa is already my main photo database. Both of these are not color managed.
 

PurdueRy

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Originally posted by: ChipT
Ok, so I'm building a new system because me current one just isn't cutting it. Ever since I began using Photoshop and Vegas Video, my system has been chugging. As long as I'm optimizing for photo and video editing, I figured I should get a monitor that would make it all worthwhile.

I would like some advice on what to look for in a quality monitor. In addition, do you have any specific suggestions? And what type of calibration tool would you recommend (or can I get by just using a site like this: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/)?

My budget is about $500 for both the monitor and the calibration tool (if needed), but the cheaper the better (within reason). I think that I'd prefer to avoid a wide-gamut display if possible. I'm slowly changing my allegiance to Google's Chrome, and Google's Picasa is already my main photo database. Both of these are not color managed.

Even without a wide gamut monitor I would want to use color managed applications. The image preview program in Vista is color managed as is photoshop. I highly recommend using these. I use firefox 3.0.10 as my main browser because it can be color managed. No monitor matches sRGB exactly so any monitor will benefit from color management, just to difference degrees.

In terms of calibration it depends on the quality of the monitor and how much you care. You can use a PVA or IPS display right out of the box and I'd say 99% of people would be satisfied. I, however, am in the 1% that's not and am quite picky about getting my display calibrated perfectly. I use a NEC P221W-BK display with spectraviewII software and a X-rite custom wide-gamut i1 display2. I get excellent results from calibration. This combination will run you $700 though so that's out of your budget. Perhaps a HP or Dell 22" IPS?
 

PurdueRy

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Originally posted by: Machinus
My monitor resets the contrast setting every time I restart. How do I fix it?

Restarting your computer should change nothing on the monitor. If you made the settings per the monitors controls those should stick. If you are losing the settings when you turn the monitor off then that's a fault of that monitor. If you made the settings in the drivers for contrast then the fault lies in the drivers.
 

Reaph

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Is there any info on when Samsung will release SyncMaster P2370L?
Last I checked it was Q1 2009 but we are in Q2 now..
 

looper

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This is the gaming computer for son and me...


And whether I get the... HP2475w, the BenQ G2400WD, the Dell 2408WFP, or the Samsung 2493HM, will I be able to do the 1900x1200 if we have a EVGA nVidia GTX280 video card? See rest of rig specs below...

Thx...
 
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