[Retired] The LCD Thread

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Hadsus
Just a quick note that this is a longggggg thread. And even with my supersonic charter cable connection, going to the last page of 141 pages (!) sometimes takes a bit of time (for me anyway). Maybe it's time to start a continuation thread with a cut 'n paste of the top and bottom.

I will consider this but it doesn't take very long for me to get to the last page. I wonder when the new AnandTech forums setup will be coming, as maybe it will be better with bigger threads.

Originally posted by: Reaph

Originally posted by: PurdueRy
The right one looks worse than the left of the two 120Hz examples. I can't come up with any logical reason so I just would recommend seeing if any reviews mention this issue.

It's not that easy to take picture of the monitor to show it.
I can clearly see it on the picture.
I also made this picture:
http://www.sf4.se/bilder/2233rz/60-120hz.png

It is very hard for me to see what you are talking about, but you might mess with custom timings of the video card if it looks like a problem that's coming in before the monitor (video timings such as back porch, etc, etc). Do you mean banding-like effects or more like straight horizontal lines?

Originally posted by: bitmouse
Hello xtKnight,

I am looking to buy somthing in the 24" to 30" range at 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 with great perfomance in all areas. I would like it to have both good color reproduction and good response time. Any ideas? TN is fine, but I understand that other panels perform better in most other areas. So I supposed I would prefer to sacrifice a few ms pixel response time for better colors etc. Thanks for your help.

Take a look at the Multimedia section. The LP2475W, 2408WFP, PX2611W are good choices.

Originally posted by: Jbandy10
Okay experts I need some advice.

I'm buying a monitor for Gaming/blu ray movie watching. I need it to be 1080p and 22'. A 16x10 resolution would be nice because I don't want to run into any FPS problems with a 19x12 resolution. But I am flexible on that.

Is this even a smart thing to do? I really have no idea.

How about this?
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/...p?ProductCode=10009786

The only thing that turns me off is the resolution.

Try the BenQ E2200HD.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Hadsus

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: Hadsus
Just a quick note that this is a longggggg thread. And even with my supersonic charter cable connection, going to the last page of 141 pages (!) sometimes takes a bit of time (for me anyway). Maybe it's time to start a continuation thread with a cut 'n paste of the top and bottom.

You know...there is a "go to the last page" button...

You know.....I said that in my original post.

BTW, the earliest posts deal with two year old monitors....they are not even sold anymore. Whatever, it was just a suggestion.

Hey, no need to take it offensively. I think he was just saying his was fast. I would just start a new one now, but I hate screwing up the Google search results. My old thread is still getting more hits. I also think that as-is it is quite fast to navigate.

 

[kyotousa]

Originally posted by: larraby

Originally posted by: PurdueRy
It would help to know budget and size/resolution requirements.

A 24" monitor under $400.00 if possible.

2408WFP is on sale for 389.99 + tax if you go through EPP
4% cheaper if you have DPA account

Free shipping

 

[larraby]

Originally posted by: kyotousa

Originally posted by: larraby

Originally posted by: PurdueRy
It would help to know budget and size/resolution requirements.

A 24" monitor under $400.00 if possible.

2408WFP is on sale for 389.99 + tax if you go through EPP
4% cheaper if you have DPA account

Free shipping

That particular monitor would cost me $699 CDN if I bought it at dell.ca

Any thoughts on the HP w2338h as I can get this using Airmiles.

 

[imported_Steggy]

Hey man, nice thread. Just a few suggestions.

1. For the samsung t220, one noted issue it has is blacklight bleeding, evident through these 2 exampled pictures.
http://i29.tinypic.com/k0muis.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com...128_9ff7c2dc47.jpg?v=0

2. for the hardcore gaming recommendations, you have the l227twg listed as having 0ms. Wouldn't this be an uncertain claim when the site that had the diagnostic test for it showed one instance of time differences between the l227 and a crt monitor? Sites like digital versus show 10 tests to document averages and min/max. A lot of monitors can score 0ms in a single instance, so 1 test wouldn't be accurate enough to claim the monitor has 0ms average. Unless i totally missed something in the site.

Also, when you list the l227wt as having 0ms as well, I've seen on DV that this isn't the case. Besides the less than impressive review of the monitor as a whole(especially the reviews on colors when you list them as vibrant), in the head to head when you see the delays compared to a CRT, the l227wt has an input lag of 27ms average. found here: http://www.digitalversus.com/d...ma1=35&mo1=349&p1=3278
and the full review is found here: http://www.digitalversus.com/article-358-3278-35.html

3. Some suggestions for the gaming displays, the viewsonic vx2260wm. I've seen in some of your posts in the thread that there isn't enough information for it, but digital versus has a review up for it. It tests a little better than the samsung t220. It is a 16:9 display which makes for weird resolutions in pc games, but it is arguably the best console gaming display out there right now. Its input lag is 11ms average.
link to review - http://www.digitalversus.com/article-358-4273-41.html

Another suggestion would be the samsung 226bw. It has an average input lag of 1.6ms
link to review - http://www.digitalversus.com/article-596-2104-36.html

Last display to suggest is the iiyama b2206ws which has 0ms input lag. flat. Only problem is it's uk only right now unless you don't mind paying an exorbitant amount to get it shipped to the US.
link to review - http://www.digitalversus.com/article-358-5093-50.html

 

[Hadsus]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Hadsus

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: Hadsus
Just a quick note that this is a longggggg thread. And even with my supersonic charter cable connection, going to the last page of 141 pages (!) sometimes takes a bit of time (for me anyway). Maybe it's time to start a continuation thread with a cut 'n paste of the top and bottom.

You know...there is a "go to the last page" button...

You know.....I said that in my original post.

BTW, the earliest posts deal with two year old monitors....they are not even sold anymore. Whatever, it was just a suggestion.

Hey, no need to take it offensively. I think he was just saying his was fast. I would just start a new one now, but I hate screwing up the Google search results. My old thread is still getting more hits. I also think that as-is it is quite fast to navigate.

It seems to be moving fast again for me. I don't know what it was but I tested it a few times on one computer with a fast connection and it just lagged badly going to the last page. I'd click on another thread and there was no lag....and I did this a few times before posting. Now I'm on a slower machine and it hit it quickly. I can't explain this. Oh well.

 

[BarrySotero]

Anyone ever have to get the power button on a 20WMGX2 fixed? If I use my fingers to turn monitor on or off (instead of remote) I have to press and press a dozen times (all at different angles it seems). I am in 3 rd year of warranty and was wondering about getting this fixed before I lose/break remote. Is it easier to try and self-fix somehow? I always loved this monitor - except for the power and menu buttons.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Anyone ever have to get the power button on a 20WMGX2 fixed? If I use my fingers to turn monitor on or off (instead of remote) I have to press and press a dozen times (all at different angles it seems). I am in 3 rd year of warranty and was wondering about getting this fixed before I lose/break remote. Is it easier to try and self-fix somehow? I always loved this monitor - except for the power and menu buttons.

I've taken mine apart and replaced it with another button I had. But the problem came back, so I'm not sure what to tell you.

 

[EvilComputer92]

Anyone have any info on the Acer G24. Im thinking of buying it as a gaming monitor. I have heard reports about backlight bleeding. Is anyone able to confirm these?

In general Im looking for a good 24 to 26 inch panel for gaming, up to $500. I was leaning towards the BenQ G2400WD but the glossy coating on the Acer G24 swayed me over.

 

[BarrySotero]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Anyone ever have to get the power button on a 20WMGX2 fixed? If I use my fingers to turn monitor on or off (instead of remote) I have to press and press a dozen times (all at different angles it seems). I am in 3 rd year of warranty and was wondering about getting this fixed before I lose/break remote. Is it easier to try and self-fix somehow? I always loved this monitor - except for the power and menu buttons.

I've taken mine apart and replaced it with another button I had. But the problem came back, so I'm not sure what to tell you.

Thanks - I might just tinker with things myself if something goes awry. Fortunately I have 2 NEC20WMGX2's so I have dual remotes. I have seen spare parts on ebay as well.

 

[Reaph]

It is very hard for me to see what you are talking about, but you might mess with custom timings of the video card if it looks like a problem that's coming in before the monitor (video timings such as back porch, etc, etc). Do you mean banding-like effects or more like straight horizontal lines?

I know its hard to show this with a camera.
I talked with Samsung support and they told me to call it as DoA.
I can confirm that I get the same result on 4 different computers.
One last pic: http://www.sf4.se/bilder/2233rz/2233rz.png

 

[Mem]

xtknight,the new cPVA panels look interesting link,,

There is talk that these new cPVA panels might represent a mid-point between TN Film and S-PVA and perhaps they are a cost effcetive solution similar to the recent e-IPS panels we have seen in models like the Dell 2209WA? More info as we get it.

.

 

[chilledinsanity]

Ugh, the research for this is driving me crazy. Are there any non wide-gamut, non-TN 24" panels that people can recommend for gaming? By gaming I mean as little input lag as is possible for a non TN panel.

 

[arcarsenal]

G'day xtknight,

I noticed back when I bought my samsung 206bw in 2007, the samsung 215tw was considered highly on your recommendations list.

I have found one of these for $200AU, would you still consider this good buying in light of recent models?

Ideally I would like a non-TN 24", but I can't justify the spend at the moment. I thought 21" is the perfect pixel pitch and the S-PVA might be a welcome change from my samsung 206bw (CPT panel).

arc.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Steggy
Hey man, nice thread. Just a few suggestions.

1. For the samsung t220, one noted issue it has is blacklight bleeding, evident through these 2 exampled pictures.
http://i29.tinypic.com/k0muis.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com...128_9ff7c2dc47.jpg?v=0

I added it to the notes, although many, many TN LCDs have bad backlight bleeding issues.

2. for the hardcore gaming recommendations, you have the l227twg listed as having 0ms. Wouldn't this be an uncertain claim when the site that had the diagnostic test for it showed one instance of time differences between the l227 and a crt monitor? Sites like digital versus show 10 tests to document averages and min/max. A lot of monitors can score 0ms in a single instance, so 1 test wouldn't be accurate enough to claim the monitor has 0ms average. Unless i totally missed something in the site.

Also, when you list the l227wt as having 0ms as well, I've seen on DV that this isn't the case. Besides the less than impressive review of the monitor as a whole(especially the reviews on colors when you list them as vibrant), in the head to head when you see the delays compared to a CRT, the l227wt has an input lag of 27ms average. found here: http://www.digitalversus.com/d...ma1=35&mo1=349&p1=3278
and the full review is found here: http://www.digitalversus.com/article-358-3278-35.html

I believe that they got a bad sample as I own the monitor myself and can practically confirm the low input lag. It may not be 0 ms, I'm not sure about that, but is a very fast monitor nonetheless. DV has been wrong on many, many occasions before and I have lost trust in them. I usually therefore rely on other sources.

3. Some suggestions for the gaming displays, the viewsonic vx2260wm. I've seen in some of your posts in the thread that there isn't enough information for it, but digital versus has a review up for it. It tests a little better than the samsung t220. It is a 16:9 display which makes for weird resolutions in pc games, but it is arguably the best console gaming display out there right now. Its input lag is 11ms average.
link to review - http://www.digitalversus.com/article-358-4273-41.html

Another suggestion would be the samsung 226bw. It has an average input lag of 1.6ms
link to review - http://www.digitalversus.com/article-596-2104-36.html

The only problem I have with the 226BW is the panel lottery, where the C and A panels had bad response time or bad color (blue tint). I recommended it before but since stopped. See the Panel Lottery section in my OP. Samsung's T220 seems to be the good replacement model.

Last display to suggest is the iiyama b2206ws which has 0ms input lag. flat. Only problem is it's uk only right now unless you don't mind paying an exorbitant amount to get it shipped to the US.
link to review - http://www.digitalversus.com/article-358-5093-50.html

Thank you- I don't get suggestions very often. And I think I will recommend the VX2260wm but for gaming only since the default colors aren't that great. The B2206WS however is non-US and therefore won't be on my OP.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: EvilComputer92
Anyone have any info on the Acer G24. Im thinking of buying it as a gaming monitor. I have heard reports about backlight bleeding. Is anyone able to confirm these?

In general Im looking for a good 24 to 26 inch panel for gaming, up to $500. I was leaning towards the BenQ G2400WD but the glossy coating on the Acer G24 swayed me over.

I do recommend it, but the glossy coating might be annoying depending on who you are (for gaming, I love it, but otherwise not so much). It's a very fast gaming display like the other TNs. There's not going to be much different in response time or input lag among the fast TNs.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: arcarsenal
G'day xtknight,

I noticed back when I bought my samsung 206bw in 2007, the samsung 215tw was considered highly on your recommendations list.

I have found one of these for $200AU, would you still consider this good buying in light of recent models?

Ideally I would like a non-TN 24", but I can't justify the spend at the moment. I thought 21" is the perfect pixel pitch and the S-PVA might be a welcome change from my samsung 206bw (CPT panel).

arc.

Yup, it's a great model despite some input lag issues. I'd have still recommended it but as you know, it's out of stock everywhere.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Reaph

It is very hard for me to see what you are talking about, but you might mess with custom timings of the video card if it looks like a problem that's coming in before the monitor (video timings such as back porch, etc, etc). Do you mean banding-like effects or more like straight horizontal lines?

I know its hard to show this with a camera.
I talked with Samsung support and they told me to call it as DoA.
I can confirm that I get the same result on 4 different computers.
One last pic: http://www.sf4.se/bilder/2233rz/2233rz.png

Yea I understand, but unfortunately I just can't see what you mean. But even if I did I don't think I'd know what the cause of it was.

In other news though I did start recommending this monitor due to its 120Hz support and very fast image. The issue you mentioned wasn't noted in the X-Bit Labs review. Let me know of your support experience.

Originally posted by: Mem
xtknight,the new cPVA panels look interesting link,,

There is talk that these new cPVA panels might represent a mid-point between TN Film and S-PVA and perhaps they are a cost effcetive solution similar to the recent e-IPS panels we have seen in models like the Dell 2209WA? More info as we get it.

.

Yup I have heard about these. I am excited about recommending these when they become available. I am a lot more inclined to recommend cPVA and eIPS panels than TN. I haven't recommended many LCDs lately because everything's TN! Yes, TN's not bad all the time. I own several, but juxtaposed to VA and IPS panels they still pale in comparison.

 

[EvilComputer92]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: arcarsenal
G'day xtknight,

I noticed back when I bought my samsung 206bw in 2007, the samsung 215tw was considered highly on your recommendations list.

I have found one of these for $200AU, would you still consider this good buying in light of recent models?

Ideally I would like a non-TN 24", but I can't justify the spend at the moment. I thought 21" is the perfect pixel pitch and the S-PVA might be a welcome change from my samsung 206bw (CPT panel).

arc.

Yup, it's a great model despite some input lag issues. I'd have still recommended it but as you know, it's out of stock everywhere.

I would buy it quickly if I wasnt hesitant on the backlight bleeding.

http://www.overclock.net/monit...4-backlight-bleed.html

It seems to be a common issue with this monitor, very common in fact. I don't have a big issue with backlight bleeding because I dont usually play in the dark, but if it is as bad as some people say, then I think the info should be added to the main page.

My other option if the G24 doesnt work is the Gateway FHD2401, which seems to be another good 24 inch glossy gaming monitor. Have you heard anything about that monitor?

 

[kalrith]

I just received set up my 2408WFP, and I must say that I'm very impressed. The viewing angles are MUCH better than on a TN. The colors look great, and I love the look at the settings from the Anandtech review, which puts it at 50-50 brightness & contrast and 80-80-80 RGB. I've just got it hooked up via VGA on my work computer, so I'm looking forward to connecting it via DVI at home and playing some Oblivion or COD4 on it. I've never seen a monitor with a fit and finish that compares to this one (well, other than the uber-expensive Apple displays I've seen at the store). I'm also looking forward to testing some HD videos and seeing how they look from my exercise bike and weight bench in the same room.

 

[arcarsenal]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: arcarsenal
G'day xtknight,

I noticed back when I bought my samsung 206bw in 2007, the samsung 215tw was considered highly on your recommendations list.

I have found one of these for $200AU, would you still consider this good buying in light of recent models?

Ideally I would like a non-TN 24", but I can't justify the spend at the moment. I thought 21" is the perfect pixel pitch and the S-PVA might be a welcome change from my samsung 206bw (CPT panel).

arc.

Yup, it's a great model despite some input lag issues. I'd have still recommended it but as you know, it's out of stock everywhere.

I noticed you said that, you don't know if LCDs are going to get better per se, so it be worth buying sooner rather than later.In light of this, I'm stressing to find a good panel before they are become cheaper and lesser quality.

I've found a shop still selling the BenQ G2400WD for $349, and I also stumbled across Philips 240PW9EB for $769 - which apparently has the same panel as the HP LP2475w (minimum $920) and Apple 24" cinema display ($1400ish) [Both out of my price range - aussie dollar].

Have you had any experiences with the 240PW9EB? Out of the G2400WD, 240PW9EB, and Samsung 215TW - would you be able to pick a winner for general use (occasional movies, office, gaming?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: arcarsenal

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: arcarsenal
G'day xtknight,

I noticed back when I bought my samsung 206bw in 2007, the samsung 215tw was considered highly on your recommendations list.

I have found one of these for $200AU, would you still consider this good buying in light of recent models?

Ideally I would like a non-TN 24", but I can't justify the spend at the moment. I thought 21" is the perfect pixel pitch and the S-PVA might be a welcome change from my samsung 206bw (CPT panel).

arc.

Yup, it's a great model despite some input lag issues. I'd have still recommended it but as you know, it's out of stock everywhere.

I noticed you said that, you don't know if LCDs are going to get better per se, so it be worth buying sooner rather than later.In light of this, I'm stressing to find a good panel before they are become cheaper and lesser quality.

I've found a shop still selling the BenQ G2400WD for $349, and I also stumbled across Philips 240PW9EB for $769 - which apparently has the same panel as the HP LP2475w (minimum $920) and Apple 24" cinema display ($1400ish) [Both out of my price range - aussie dollar].

Have you had any experiences with the 240PW9EB? Out of the G2400WD, 240PW9EB, and Samsung 215TW - would you be able to pick a winner for general use (occasional movies, office, gaming?

With the advent of cPVA and eIPS panels, my thoughts may change. For now, I always go with the "buy now; don't wait" adage.

The Philips 240* IPS series are quite decent (or at least the 230* was), and weren't ever available in the US AFAIK (maybe the 230* was for a brief period of time). It's definitely worth a look.

I would probably pick the IPS to be the winner automatically.

 

[imported_Steggy]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Steggy
Hey man, nice thread. Just a few suggestions.

1. For the samsung t220, one noted issue it has is blacklight bleeding, evident through these 2 exampled pictures.
http://i29.tinypic.com/k0muis.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com...128_9ff7c2dc47.jpg?v=0

I added it to the notes, although many, many TN LCDs have bad backlight bleeding issues.

2. for the hardcore gaming recommendations, you have the l227twg listed as having 0ms. Wouldn't this be an uncertain claim when the site that had the diagnostic test for it showed one instance of time differences between the l227 and a crt monitor? Sites like digital versus show 10 tests to document averages and min/max. A lot of monitors can score 0ms in a single instance, so 1 test wouldn't be accurate enough to claim the monitor has 0ms average. Unless i totally missed something in the site.

Also, when you list the l227wt as having 0ms as well, I've seen on DV that this isn't the case. Besides the less than impressive review of the monitor as a whole(especially the reviews on colors when you list them as vibrant), in the head to head when you see the delays compared to a CRT, the l227wt has an input lag of 27ms average. found here: http://www.digitalversus.com/d...ma1=35&mo1=349&p1=3278
and the full review is found here: http://www.digitalversus.com/article-358-3278-35.html

I believe that they got a bad sample as I own the monitor myself and can practically confirm the low input lag. It may not be 0 ms, I'm not sure about that, but is a very fast monitor nonetheless. DV has been wrong on many, many occasions before and I have lost trust in them. I usually therefore rely on other sources.

3. Some suggestions for the gaming displays, the viewsonic vx2260wm. I've seen in some of your posts in the thread that there isn't enough information for it, but digital versus has a review up for it. It tests a little better than the samsung t220. It is a 16:9 display which makes for weird resolutions in pc games, but it is arguably the best console gaming display out there right now. Its input lag is 11ms average.
link to review - http://www.digitalversus.com/article-358-4273-41.html

Another suggestion would be the samsung 226bw. It has an average input lag of 1.6ms
link to review - http://www.digitalversus.com/article-596-2104-36.html

The only problem I have with the 226BW is the panel lottery, where the C and A panels had bad response time or bad color (blue tint). I recommended it before but since stopped. See the Panel Lottery section in my OP. Samsung's T220 seems to be the good replacement model.

Last display to suggest is the iiyama b2206ws which has 0ms input lag. flat. Only problem is it's uk only right now unless you don't mind paying an exorbitant amount to get it shipped to the US.
link to review - http://www.digitalversus.com/article-358-5093-50.html

Thank you- I don't get suggestions very often. And I think I will recommend the VX2260wm but for gaming only since the default colors aren't that great. The B2206WS however is non-US and therefore won't be on my OP.

Yea, someone mentioned the panel lottery to me when we were discussing that monitor. it would be kind of a bother to see what panel you end up getting and possibly having to return then rebuy. And yea, the only reason i bring up the iyyama is just the 0ms flat input lag which seemed very appealing. if only it would become available in the us.

But yea, when you listed the vx2260wm, you listed it as a 16:10 1680x1050, it is actually 16:9 and 1920x1080. As for inputs it has DVI VGA and HDMI(hdcp). you forgot the hdmi. But yea, the fact that it is 16:9 is one of the reasons why it is great for console gaming but not so great for pc gaming since the resolutions would get weird on pc games. But for console gaming it's perfect since you can take advantage of the full size, when if you were to use a 22 inch 16:10 monitor, you lose...around 6% i believe...of screen real estate when taking into account the letterboxing.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Steggy

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Steggy
Hey man, nice thread. Just a few suggestions.

1. For the samsung t220, one noted issue it has is blacklight bleeding, evident through these 2 exampled pictures.
http://i29.tinypic.com/k0muis.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com...128_9ff7c2dc47.jpg?v=0

I added it to the notes, although many, many TN LCDs have bad backlight bleeding issues.

2. for the hardcore gaming recommendations, you have the l227twg listed as having 0ms. Wouldn't this be an uncertain claim when the site that had the diagnostic test for it showed one instance of time differences between the l227 and a crt monitor? Sites like digital versus show 10 tests to document averages and min/max. A lot of monitors can score 0ms in a single instance, so 1 test wouldn't be accurate enough to claim the monitor has 0ms average. Unless i totally missed something in the site.

Also, when you list the l227wt as having 0ms as well, I've seen on DV that this isn't the case. Besides the less than impressive review of the monitor as a whole(especially the reviews on colors when you list them as vibrant), in the head to head when you see the delays compared to a CRT, the l227wt has an input lag of 27ms average. found here: http://www.digitalversus.com/d...ma1=35&mo1=349&p1=3278
and the full review is found here: http://www.digitalversus.com/article-358-3278-35.html

I believe that they got a bad sample as I own the monitor myself and can practically confirm the low input lag. It may not be 0 ms, I'm not sure about that, but is a very fast monitor nonetheless. DV has been wrong on many, many occasions before and I have lost trust in them. I usually therefore rely on other sources.

3. Some suggestions for the gaming displays, the viewsonic vx2260wm. I've seen in some of your posts in the thread that there isn't enough information for it, but digital versus has a review up for it. It tests a little better than the samsung t220. It is a 16:9 display which makes for weird resolutions in pc games, but it is arguably the best console gaming display out there right now. Its input lag is 11ms average.
link to review - http://www.digitalversus.com/article-358-4273-41.html

Another suggestion would be the samsung 226bw. It has an average input lag of 1.6ms
link to review - http://www.digitalversus.com/article-596-2104-36.html

The only problem I have with the 226BW is the panel lottery, where the C and A panels had bad response time or bad color (blue tint). I recommended it before but since stopped. See the Panel Lottery section in my OP. Samsung's T220 seems to be the good replacement model.

Last display to suggest is the iiyama b2206ws which has 0ms input lag. flat. Only problem is it's uk only right now unless you don't mind paying an exorbitant amount to get it shipped to the US.
link to review - http://www.digitalversus.com/article-358-5093-50.html

Thank you- I don't get suggestions very often. And I think I will recommend the VX2260wm but for gaming only since the default colors aren't that great. The B2206WS however is non-US and therefore won't be on my OP.

Yea, someone mentioned the panel lottery to me when we were discussing that monitor. it would be kind of a bother to see what panel you end up getting and possibly having to return then rebuy. And yea, the only reason i bring up the iyyama is just the 0ms flat input lag which seemed very appealing. if only it would become available in the us.

But yea, when you listed the vx2260wm, you listed it as a 16:10 1680x1050, it is actually 16:9 and 1920x1080. As for inputs it has DVI VGA and HDMI(hdcp). you forgot the hdmi. But yea, the fact that it is 16:9 is one of the reasons why it is great for console gaming but not so great for pc gaming since the resolutions would get weird on pc games. But for console gaming it's perfect since you can take advantage of the full size, when if you were to use a 22 inch 16:10 monitor, you lose...around 6% i believe...of screen real estate when taking into account the letterboxing.

Oops.. I fixed the issues there. I didn't put HDCP under HDMI because it wasn't there on the spec sheet, but I'm never sure across which digital inputs HDCP is active. I go by what I can. I did not pick up on the fact that it was 1080p. In this case the BenQ E2200HD would also be a good recommend. But, do you know what scaling options the ViewSonic has? The BenQ exceeds in this area. I have also heard good things about an ASUS 22" 1080p. I should probably investigate these more than I currently am. That resolution seems so dense but I guess for gaming it's fine. I recommend the L220X for general use mainly because of its PVA panel but it also has high density. The 1080 monitors may have good scaling due to pixel density.

 

[Raibaru]

Hey guys,
I read some of the last couple pages and the suggestions. Still a bit up in the air with what I want. Figured I'd make another "what would you buy" type of response.

I currently do a lot of graphic design work, web design, and just really getting into digital photography. I also do a lot of gaming, but it's mostly WoW (which won't make a difference). But I want a monitor that is nice for gaming too. I have an Aquos tv in my room, but I some times like to watch tv and console (xbox360) at the same time. But ultimately I want it for PC gaming and graphic design type work.

I also have a budget of about $350ish. I could go up to as much as $450, but not sure I want to. I am also shooting for the 22-24" range for monitors. A USB port or 5 would be nice as well but not needed. A webcam is not needed at all. Built in speakers aren't needed, but I only have a crap pair of altec so it wouldn't hurt (and probably just as good if not better then these).

Can't think of anything else.

The one that I saw mentioned a lot, was cheap, and seemed to meet my criteria was the Dell 2209WA. Would have been nice to have a 1080p one though just so if I did use it for console gaming.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks guys!