Depends on the meaning of 'perfect condition'. I suspect most punters on this forum would agree at this point that the Dell U2410 is the best-value IPS display if one can deal with the wide gamut (and in 'sRGB mode', there is the dithering issue). As you know, the big problem with IPS displays is LG.Display's QA -- we're getting unacceptable (at least for display snobs) uniformity on many panels. If you can get a display that already has been examined and determined to be fine, well -- isn't that what we all want? Rather than getting and returning display after display (I'm fairly sure some punters on the Hard|Forum threads have returned 3 or more HP LP2475s or Dell U2410s).
To put it another way, I'd personally be glad to pay over $300 to get a Dell U2410 without significant quality issues.
How is the 2410 "top of the line?"
I've followed the Dell situation very closely. I was pumped to buy it but after reading about all the issues and the way Dell is handling it, I'm holding off for now. Here's how I understand it: If someone buys a new 2410, and complains about the tint issue, Dell will only exchange it for a refurbished monitor, rather than giving you another brand new 2410. Which is frustrating to me, because if you're victim of a shitty panel, then it's clearly "defective" to me. But not to Dell. It's not cause enough to warrant an exchange for a new monitor. At that point you're thrown in to the panel lottery where you have to try refurb after refurb to get a good unit.
How is the 2410 "top of the line?"
I've followed the Dell situation very closely. I was pumped to buy it but after reading about all the issues and the way Dell is handling it, I'm holding off for now. Here's how I understand it: If someone buys a new 2410, and complains about the tint issue, Dell will only exchange it for a refurbished monitor, rather than giving you another brand new 2410. Which is frustrating to me, because if you're victim of a shitty panel, then it's clearly "defective" to me. But not to Dell. It's not cause enough to warrant an exchange for a new monitor. At that point you're thrown in to the panel lottery where you have to try refurb after refurb to get a good unit.
Mmm, so neither Dell nor NEC will exchange displays owing to tinting... Not terribly convenient, though I'd been expecting something like this, especially since the fault essentially lies with LG.Display. I do hope the display manufacturers encourage LG.Display to do something about their QC.
More and more, I ask myself, should I look instead to PVA panels? But I'm not sure if the situation is any better on that side, really. And the good ones are all wide gamut too, no?
Zod, I'd really advise you to buy your friend's U2410 now, especially if his panel's colour and brightness uniformity are acceptable...
Does anyone know if there are new/improved models of these 3 monitors since the last time this thread was updated?:
- Samsung SyncMaster 2233RZ
- Dell UltraSharp 2209WA
- LG Flatron L227WTG-PF
What's the best non-glossy, 22" gaming monitor available with both VGA and DVI inputs?
Initially I wanted a Samsung SyncMaster 2233RZ but I need a monitor with both VGA and DVI inputs. So I looked at the LG Flatron L227WT but I can't find a place to buy it within the United States and I was thinking about a Dell UltraSharp 2209WA but the input lag is very high compared to a TN panel.
I new help in buying an new "used" lcd. I currently have a 2209wa and the "sparkyness/dirtiness" of the coating is immensely distracting. My budget is $300 and I it has to be a *va/IPS panel.
The thing about IPS panels is that I've heard that all of them have a coating that makes it "sparkly/dirty". Is this true? I've played with the Apple 30" and although it is also a IPS panel, I find it very usable and don't notice the "dirty" effect. Is this because some panels are just coated less severely?
Another question regarding the Apple 30", at my Apple store, its located next to the new 27" iMacs and IMO the 30" looks like a much better lcd. The iMac is much brighter but for some reason I feel the colors don't look as natural as they do on the 30". The colors seem to be "amped up" as if every pixel has extra power going to it. I don't think it has to do with the glossy/mirror aspect. The colors on my 2209wa also look very "amped" up even when I turn the brightness/contrast down. Its very tiring on my eyes yet the 30" ACD feels very natural and soothing somehow. Any idea what I'm talking about or am I overly sensitive to very bright lcds?
What are your needs for the extra inputs?
All gaming?
I was thinking about a Dell UltraSharp 2209WA but the input lag is very high compared to a TN panel.
Owners were reporting noticeable ghosting in that same thread there.
And what are these other flaws you speak of?