Return GTX 970 for R9 290x?

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SteveGrabowski

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Honestly none of the 290/290X/970 will last any longer than each other over 3 years in AAA games. All will become too slow. The only exception would be GE vs. GW titles where we would see a larger discrepancy. Do I think a $320 MSI Lighting R9 290X will have a better resale value than a $350 970? Probably not. So that's not a strong enough factor either. I would say if you want another alternative, it would be to sell a 970 and get a used after-market R9 290 non-X and try to net $80-100 savings in the process (say sell the 970 for $300 and buy a used R9 290 for $200-220). That way when you upgrade to the next GPU in 2-3 years, you'll have $80-100 extra towards the next upgrade. That to me would actually provide you with the most benefit long-term. Again though if you play a lot of GW titles, then a 970 is still a solid card.

I'm not saying I expect to play at Ultra for 3 years though. I figure a reasonable expectation is for it to be a high end card now, maybe an upper midrange card in a year, and a midrange or lower midrange card in a couple of years.
 
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R290Xs are ~$500 here, same as 970s. R290s are ~$400. It hasn't changed when our dollar was 1:1 with the USD. Crazy prices.
 

BonzaiDuck

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I'd keep it if it PERFORMS to your expectations.

I've had mine for a week or so, placing the order before the great 500MB Marketing Embarrassment.

Two of these in SLI will be a killer, and you could run them both with a 550W PSU, 4x fans, 1SSD and 1HHD, the usual other crap -- and 140W-peak overclock on a chip like my Sandy. That should be easy to compare.
 

Scooby Doo

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Powercolor 290X for $223.99 shipped after $30 MIR and $20 giftcard (new NCIX customers). Smoking deal.

How does this compare to the Tri-X? I'm doing a 180 on video card choice now that the 970 has issues with skyrim and haven't really looked into the 290s much.
 

Elfear

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How does this compare to the Tri-X? I'm doing a 180 on video card choice now that the 970 has issues with skyrim and haven't really looked into the 290s much.

It's not as quality/quiet as the Tri-X, Vapor-X, Lightning, or PCS+, but it does look like a significantly better cooler than the reference model. For the price difference it's a very compelling choice.
 

Udgnim

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How does this compare to the Tri-X? I'm doing a 180 on video card choice now that the 970 has issues with skyrim and haven't really looked into the 290s much.

the good cooler from PowerColor is the PCS+ version

don't know how the 290X cooler from NCIX fares against the better ones
 

Magic Carpet

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It isn't the memory there, at 4k for that game it is the raw performance.
The point is, you can get an 8GB card today for the price less than a single 980 GTX. In 2 years time, 290X 8GB > 980 4GB. No question about that.

See what happened to GTX 680 2GB versus 7970 3GB. Think it's clear, Nvidia has moved to a shorter product lifecycle, to maximize profits. They didn't even take the time to design that 970 properly. Shortcuts everywhere. This is bad. The 960 card just confirming that. 2 gigs is enough, if Nvidia says so.

Next, they come up with a subscription model, where you just pay annual fee for hardware or similar. They are trying to control the games now...

You are expecting your card to perform at certain level for certain amount of time. But a single driver release can make your $1000 piece of hardware become obsolete overnight.
 
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cmdrdredd

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In two years when you might consider an 8GB card, it will be too slow to matter don't you think? I never purchase based on the future because I have learned you simply can't do that and performance is always moving forward.
 

Magic Carpet

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@cmdrdredd

Maybe it will be too slow, and maybe it will not. But it's nice to have some extra memory headroom. Especially, if you are planning to use it for non-gaming loads. And it's cheaper than the Nvidia's top card. Even with the extra power consumed, it's still a good deal. These cards are cool running and temps aren't a problem. Naturally, I am surprised, it's not being mentioned here often. Bet, if it were some GTX 980 8GB / Titan 2 12GB, people would have already had it in their sigs. Just goes to show, how some people just don't like AMD anything.
 
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cmdrdredd

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@cmdrdredd

Maybe it will be too slow, and maybe it will not. But it's nice to have some extra memory headroom. Especially, if you are planning to use it for non-gaming loads. And it's cheaper than the Nvidia's top card. Even with the extra power consumed, it's still a good deal. These cards are cool running and temps aren't a problem. Naturally, I am surprised, it's not being mentioned here often. Bet, if it were some GTX 980 8GB / Titan 2 12GB, people would have already had it in their sigs. Just goes to show, how some people just don't like AMD anything.


Lol 12GB I would love to see how someone justifies that much vram without doing their own cuda programming or something. I still think people buy based on benchmarks and price.
 
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jackstar7

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Lol 12GB I would love to see how someone justifies that much vram without doing their own cuda programming or something. I still think people buy based on benchmarks and price.

4K Surround.

Heck, someone is probably doing that already.
 

Magic Carpet

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@cmdrdredd

Since Nvidia is trying to control development of the games now, the performance is going to be more controllable than before, letting the company decide when and how often users will need to change their video cards. Smart. Even Intel can't do that.
 

cmdrdredd

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@cmdrdredd

Since Nvidia is trying to control development of the games now, the performance is going to be more controllable than before, letting the company decide when and how often users will need to change their video cards. Smart. Even Intel can't do that.


Only for a few engines. Developers are still responsible for their code. Nvidia isn't making the game.
 

Magic Carpet

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@cmdrdredd

Time will tell. Hopefully I am wrong, and that 8GB card is just overpriced AMD crap (over the 4GB model).

/sarcasm.

2) You can slow down and speed up any game with the usage of correct drivers. Nvidia doesn't promise us anything. We take this for granted. The more Nvidia tech is in the games, the easier it is for Nvidia to control. It is clear, Nvidia wants to monopolize the market.

@SteveGrabowski

It's still a good card. Can't blame you. Enjoy.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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Just wanted to update the thread: the offer for 970 owners to switch to AMD is for 10% off on an XFX Double Dissipation R9 290x. It's a pretty nice deal when combined with a $30 rebate to make it $285 after rebate at newegg. I'm not sharing the coupon code, so don't ask. In the end I decided to keep my 970 though, as much as I like the 290x. I gotta say it's really tempting at that price though.
 
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cmdrdredd

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@cmdrdredd

Time will tell. Hopefully I am wrong, and that 8GB card is just overpriced AMD crap (over the 4GB model).

/sarcasm.

2) You can slow down and speed up any game with the usage of correct drivers. Nvidia doesn't promise us anything. We take this for granted. The more Nvidia tech is in the games, the easier it is for Nvidia to control. It is clear, Nvidia wants to monopolize the market.

@SteveGrabowski

It's still a good card. Can't blame you. Enjoy.

I didn't say that, but I did allude to my idea that 8GB right now is a total waste and by the time it's meaningful, the card (any card purchased today) will be too slow to really make use of it.
 

jackstar7

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I didn't say that, but I did allude to my idea that 8GB right now is a total waste and by the time it's meaningful, the card (any card purchased today) will be too slow to really make use of it.

Unless you're on the fringe and want to try 3x 3440x1440 Eyefinity.

Plenty of people go multi-card, at which point extra VRAM is important.
 

Leyawiin

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If you have a quiet, whine free card that is giving you good performance in your games at the resolution your currently play you'd need your head examined to return it for a side-grade (at your resolution) based on speculation and "what-ifs" from several years down the road. You can drive yourself crazy and waste a lot of money doing moves like that. Worry about it then when and if a new scenario occurs.
 
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