Reverse flow. US is discussing natural resource export to China/Asian nations.

iGas

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Montana, Washington governors discuss coal exports

COWLITZ COUNTY -- Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer says he thinks Washington state will give fair treatment to a proposal to build a major shipping terminal on the lower Columbia River to send Montana coal to China and other Asian countries.
It has gone from bad to worst for people that aren't ready for the permanent oil overlord. It is not speculator or OPEC that is in the driving seat this time.

China and other developing countries are growing while consumes energy at a rapid rate. China/India/Vietnam are a few countries that have been building new coal/nuclear power plants due to demand, and they also thirst for other natural resources as well, such as rare earth, fertilizer, metals, and oil.

IMHO, take a good look at your last gas guzzler land yacht/SUV/hummer because you will not be able to fill it or manufacture will cease making them.
 
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bfdd

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If our consumption is down, exporting for profit is a good idea. So I'm not sure what you're trying to get across? We are developing alternate sources of energy and they will come with time.
 

nonlnear

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Exporting raw resources that would go into manufacture (like ores, wood, etc.) would generally be a bad thing, but coal doesn't really have any extra value to be added to it prior to consumption, so exporting it doesn't sound like a bad economic sign. Would you prefer to burn it here?
 

Svnla

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Australia's economy is doing well because of exporting natural resources such as coal, iron, natural gas, etc. to China.

I don't see why not. Business is business.
 

iGas

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Funny that you guys are okay with exporting coal, but complaints when energy & oil price rise.
 

Svnla

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Funny that you guys are okay with exporting coal, but complaints when energy & oil price rise.

In the comodity market, if you don't do it, others will take your place in a second.

What is wrong with doing business with others? We are living in a inter-connect world wide economy anyway.

US farmers have been exporting wheat, chicken, pork, beef, ect. to others countries for years.
 
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DesiPower

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Makes sense, we cant process natural resources here, tree huggers simply wont allow it. The fastest or maybe the only growing state in US also produces the maximum pollution, emits maximum carbon, EPA is now trying to force stuff on the state that will definitely hurt the economy, do basically we cant so anything here, might as well sell it to developing nations who dont give a rats ass about emissions and get some money for it.
 
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nonlnear

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Funny that you guys are okay with exporting coal, but complaints when energy & oil price rise.
I don't complain. In fact, I think it's idiotic how much press the price of gas gets in this country.
 

ShawnD1

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COWLITZ COUNTY -- Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer says he thinks Washington state will give fair treatment to a proposal to build a major shipping terminal on the lower Columbia River to send Montana coal to China and other Asian countries.
uhhh so? Canada sells all kinds of raw materials all around the world and Canada is still a first world nation. Generally that's how you become a first world nation - you sell things to people.


I don't complain. In fact, I think it's idiotic how much press the price of gas gets in this country.
Because that shit adds up quickly. I drive a Toyota Corolla and I spent $240 on gasoline in December alone (I added it up on my visa bill yesterday). The most popular vehicle in America is the Ford F150, a full size truck which burns approximately 2x as much fuel as a Toyota Corolla.
 
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nonlnear

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Because that shit adds up quickly. I drive a Toyota Corolla and I spent $240 on gasoline in December alone (I added it up on my visa bill yesterday). The most popular vehicle in America is the Ford F150, a full size truck which burns approximately 2x as much fuel as a Toyota Corolla.
Yeah, still not getting any sympathy. I just don't care when people complain that their consumption patterns expose them to totally foreseeable price risks.
 

exdeath

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IMHO, take a good look at your last gas guzzler land yacht/SUV/hummer because you will not be able to fill it or manufacture will cease making them.

I swear I've heard this before, but then I realize I'm not old enough to have been alive.
 

ShawnD1

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Yeah, still not getting any sympathy. I just don't care when people complain that their consumption patterns expose them to totally foreseeable price risks.
So you're suggesting people buy a different house every time they get a different job?

I live and work in the same city. Drive to work is a modest 45 minutes. Drive home, fuck, like 1.5 hours.
 

iGas

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I swear I've heard this before, but then I realize I'm not old enough to have been alive.
LOL, I glad that you are and many people are keeping the gas guzzlers because it is driving up my stocks.

I have been in and out on oil for the last year and made loads of money: SU $30~37 a share.
 

ShawnD1

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Unless someone is upset that a country in Asia is releasing our exported coal's carbon into the atmosphere...
It might get get back to north america through the atmosphere or something. The most humane thing to do is to force an energy shortage in China so they resort to using millions of slaves to drive large turbines. 1 million chinese people fed a bowl of rice per day would probably make as much electricity as any coal power plant you can find
 

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I think the OP is posting this because he is inherently prejudiced towards Asians. There's a lot of bias against Asians in our media. They are usually depicted in the image of a faithless, belligerent mob that will destroy America.

Don't get mad, get even. We shouldn't alter our trade policies just because a country is from Asia. Come on...
 

drebo

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Pretty sure that increasing exports is a huge step in the right direction as far as recovery goes.

Not sure how this could be seen as a bad thing.
 

bfdd

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Makes sense, we cant process natural resources here, tree huggers simply wont allow it. The fastest or maybe the only growing state in US also produces the maximum pollution, emits maximum carbon, EPA is now trying to force stuff on the state that will definitely hurt the economy, do basically we cant so anything here, might as well sell it to developing nations who dont give a rats ass about emissions and get some money for it.

pretty much this. I'm all for a clean and healthy environment but we can't kill ourselves in the process. slow and steady, new technologies come with time and demand.
 

nonlnear

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So you're suggesting people buy a different house every time they get a different job?

I live and work in the same city. Drive to work is a modest 45 minutes. Drive home, fuck, like 1.5 hours.
Keeping a shorter commute is one solution for people who are so inclined. I don't advocate for any one size fits all solution though. I don't have anything against people who drive a lot, or drive big vehicles. I just wish they would STFU about having to live with the consequences of their own choices. There are plenty of whiny penny pinchers in the world too. They piss me off a lot more than someone who spends $600 a month to gas up their Escalade but enjoys the fact that they are fortunate enough to be able to do so.

All I ask of people is that they enjoy the choices they make, and not blame outside causes for things that they should have planned for in advance - like volatile gas prices. You want to commute an hour each way to work? Great! Don't complain to me about the price of gas. I don't argue that any particular consumption pattern is bad or should be outlawed. I do however believe that if people have unrealistic expectations about the future that they are choosing, and then complain about completely unsurprising things when they happen, perhaps they should get some (possibly impolite) education about how the world works.
 

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So you're suggesting people buy a different house every time they get a different job?

I live and work in the same city. Drive to work is a modest 45 minutes. Drive home, fuck, like 1.5 hours.

Or buy more fuel efficient vehicles....or take mass transit if that is an option.

Our national neglect of our non-car transportation systems was never more apparent than when oil was reaching it's peak and people were abandoning their cars for those systems en masse.
 

rudder

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Australia's economy is doing well because of exporting natural resources such as coal, iron, natural gas, etc. to China.

I don't see why not. Business is business.

And we do have a lot of coal in this country... it just makes a mess getting to it sometimes. I say we move on to other sources of energy and let China deal with the coal ash mess.
 

ShawnD1

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Our national neglect of our non-car transportation systems was never more apparent than when oil was reaching it's peak and people were abandoning their cars for those systems en masse.
The problem is that those systems almost always suck and there's no way to fix it.

I'll give an example. I live on the north side of the river and my job is on the south side of the river. The city has maybe 10 bridges that go across the river. The most direct path to work is fairly short, maybe 10 miles or so. The direct path also crosses several major roads and takes the most time, about 1.5 hours to get to work. The fastest way to get to work is to travel to the edge of the city and drive on the road that circles around the city. The distance is 30 miles and it takes about 45 minutes.
My city's transit system has an application on their website that helps plan bus trips by telling which bus to take and how long the trip will take. If I put in that I need to arrive at 8am, it says there is no possible way I can do this. If I enter that I intend to leave my house at 7am (peak bus service), it estimates the trip as taking 2 hours and 10 minutes. It involves taking 2 buses, then taking the train across the river, then taking a third bus after that.

So then what if I didn't want to travel and just decided to move closer? No can do. Offices are generally located in prime real estate locations. Downtown is the absolute worst for price, but my office isn't downtown. My office is a 1 floor building near the $400,000 houses. If I stop driving to work and just move closer, I save $1000-2000 per year on gas, but my rent would go up by about $4,000 at the very minimum. It would be a nicer place to live, but it's still money I don't have.



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in before some retard says I should buy a $30,000 hybrid car to save money.
 
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