It's not necessarily racism, in the sense that he could favor these people for other reasons that also correlate strongly with them being white. Like having similar cultural backgrounds.
But it's still probably some kind of unfair discrimination.
Yea this. Reverse racism is just a more PC way of saying Racism for some folks. Racism is racism though.
Sounds like in this case the offending guy is just a stubborn cultural type, and this comes across as him being a major ass which is getting understood as racism.
Just sounds like a stubborn asshole to me though. That can be very frustrating to work under.
Reverse racism is when you treat a different race favorably as amends for the suffering they've faced in the past. It's like a way of saying "I'm not racist, look at how well I treat black people."
Source: The Animal with Rob Schneider.
What a prick. Anyone else have a similar experience?
Does it look more racist now? If so, why?
Driving out employees and replacing them with contractors? Ugh. Please tell us who this company was so I can avoid needing them for anything important.
Most of the contractors we hire are Indian as well - it's not particularly race-ey, it's just capitalism at work: subcontracting rolls downhill - a bunch of people who make $40/hr pay $100/hr to borrow a guy in Mumbai who earns $20/hr, and usually isn't employed directly by the company we hired, either.
(Needless to say, we don't outsource a lot if we can help it.)
IMO, if he were racist, he'd be getting requisitions opened and filled with MORE of his friends.
1) A manager who has two cronies is old news. Cronies are always the same race, gender, alumni, frat, socioeconomic background, etc. That's how they become cronies. (It's a good gig if you can get it.)
2) A manager with 100% turnover is signing his death warrant. Unless it was approved beforehand, he's going to be gone swiftly.
3) A manager who subcontracts everything is a manager who was hired to reduce headcount and preside over the closure/disbanding of a department, probably.
the only employees are the manager and his two leads; the rest are contractors from Tata.
So racism, not "Reverse Racism".
I am of middle eastern descent. However, I'm born and raised here in the US. I consider myself fully Americanized. However, I've been around enough of my dad's people (pakistani/indian etc..) and associated myself with enough indian people to know a lot about the culture.
First things first Indians tend to be a very "Clan" based culture. They tend to hire their family members first, then their friends then at worse case other indians that are not related. In addition they still follow a caste based system (even though caste has been abolished in india). You can usually tell what caste a indian belongs to based on their name. The name gives hierarchy. Second thing, many indians tend to very competitive among each other. Competition is good, however, it gets to the point where it's ridiculous and stupid. They will sometimes interview other people and get jealous at that person they are interviewing and not hire them (because that other person is more skilled etc...). My wife and I knew (recently broke the relationship) a indian couple. They would sit down and compare the abilities of their children to our children while they are present in the same room!!!! They would compare the school our kid goes to to the school their kid goes to!!! It's irritating and worthless to discuss. Third, indians tend to be very materialistic. I believe Chinese is No. 1 , but indians are No. 2 in materialism. Forth, Indians tend to have some of the high end IQs. They make a big deal of education and work like a dog in school. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the programmers/developers you work with spend every single second of every day in front of a compiler writing code.
I don't know if this at all helps but in a general sense this is what you've going to be deal with. There is no way in hell you will be treated with respect and in many cases you're better off just leaving.
This is spot on. From my past dealings with Indians, I would tend to agree with you. Honestly, I find them annoying now
I am of middle eastern descent. However, I'm born and raised here in the US. I consider myself fully Americanized. However, I've been around enough of my dad's people (pakistani/indian etc..) and associated myself with enough indian people to know a lot about the culture.
First things first Indians tend to be a very "Clan" based culture. They tend to hire their family members first, then their friends then at worse case other indians that are not related. In addition they still follow a caste based system (even though caste has been abolished in india). You can usually tell what caste a indian belongs to based on their name. The name gives hierarchy. Second thing, many indians tend to very competitive among each other. Competition is good, however, it gets to the point where it's ridiculous and stupid. They will sometimes interview other people and get jealous at that person they are interviewing and not hire them (because that other person is more skilled etc...). My wife and I knew (recently broke the relationship) a indian couple. They would sit down and compare the abilities of their children to our children while they are present in the same room!!!! They would compare the school our kid goes to to the school their kid goes to!!! It's irritating and worthless to discuss. Third, indians tend to be very materialistic. I believe Chinese is No. 1 , but indians are No. 2 in materialism. Forth, Indians tend to have some of the high end IQs. They make a big deal of education and work like a dog in school. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the programmers/developers you work with spend every single second of every day in front of a compiler writing code.
I don't know if this at all helps but in a general sense this is what you've going to be deal with. There is no way in hell you will be treated with respect and in many cases you're better off just leaving.
I hope two of you realize how stupid you sound.
I am of middle eastern descent. However, I'm born and raised here in the US. I consider myself fully Americanized. However, I've been around enough of my dad's people (pakistani/indian etc..) and associated myself with enough indian people to know a lot about the culture.
First things first Indians tend to be a very "Clan" based culture. They tend to hire their family members first, then their friends then at worse case other indians that are not related. In addition they still follow a caste based system (even though caste has been abolished in india). You can usually tell what caste a indian belongs to based on their name. The name gives hierarchy. Second thing, many indians tend to very competitive among each other. Competition is good, however, it gets to the point where it's ridiculous and stupid. They will sometimes interview other people and get jealous at that person they are interviewing and not hire them (because that other person is more skilled etc...). My wife and I knew (recently broke the relationship) a indian couple. They would sit down and compare the abilities of their children to our children while they are present in the same room!!!! They would compare the school our kid goes to to the school their kid goes to!!! It's irritating and worthless to discuss. Third, indians tend to be very materialistic. I believe Chinese is No. 1 , but indians are No. 2 in materialism. Forth, Indians tend to have some of the high end IQs. They make a big deal of education and work like a dog in school. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the programmers/developers you work with spend every single second of every day in front of a compiler writing code.
I don't know if this at all helps but in a general sense this is what you've going to be deal with. There is no way in hell you will be treated with respect and in many cases you're better off just leaving.
Which goes to show that there's probably a huge advantage is hiring people of Indian decent who were raised in America or better yet....that aren't actually FROM India or other countries with these cultural norms. Diversity in the workplace is paramount to success these days. It's too difficult to find and retain good staff. When you start putting limits on who you hire and allow to work together, you really hurt the whole business.I am of middle eastern descent. However, I'm born and raised here in the US. I consider myself fully Americanized. However, I've been around enough of my dad's people (pakistani/indian etc..) and associated myself with enough indian people to know a lot about the culture.
First things first Indians tend to be a very "Clan" based culture. They tend to hire their family members first, then their friends then at worse case other indians that are not related. In addition they still follow a caste based system (even though caste has been abolished in india). You can usually tell what caste a indian belongs to based on their name. The name gives hierarchy. Second thing, many indians tend to very competitive among each other. Competition is good, however, it gets to the point where it's ridiculous and stupid. They will sometimes interview other people and get jealous at that person they are interviewing and not hire them (because that other person is more skilled etc...). My wife and I knew (recently broke the relationship) a indian couple. They would sit down and compare the abilities of their children to our children while they are present in the same room!!!! They would compare the school our kid goes to to the school their kid goes to!!! It's irritating and worthless to discuss. Third, indians tend to be very materialistic. I believe Chinese is No. 1 , but indians are No. 2 in materialism. Forth, Indians tend to have some of the high end IQs. They make a big deal of education and work like a dog in school. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the programmers/developers you work with spend every single second of every day in front of a compiler writing code.
I don't know if this at all helps but in a general sense this is what you've going to be deal with. There is no way in hell you will be treated with respect and in many cases you're better off just leaving.
Which goes to show that there's probably a huge advantage is hiring people of Indian decent who were raised in America or better yet....that aren't actually FROM India or other countries with these cultural norms. Diversity in the workplace is paramount to success these days. It's too difficult to find and retain good staff. When you start putting limits on who you hire and allow to work together, you really hurt the whole business.
Having said all that, the real problem here sounds like the boss is simply using power he has. There's not much you can do if he doesn't have someone auditing his decision making. Therefore, your best bet is to move on and don't look back. I'm sure he'll move on eventually and the department will rebound in a decade.
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To the OP I feel for you and hopefully they stop importing this people. They really are not better than the people we have here. Just cheaper.
Honestly they are...
Unfortunately, they tend to have a stronger work ethic and develop some very elegant code. They show to work every day on the dot and never bitch about increases poor working conditions etc. They are like machines. They do however tend to make much less money. Many of them I find are on H-1 visa, they come here with their spouse. The company they work for sponsor them (which is the reason for the obedience). Then once they get the GC they are out. It may take 6 - 10 years for them to get a GC. Being in the US is a godsend for many because India has a high population of Underemployed (high education low occupation). I believe they have the highest pop of college degree. You have people with PhDs sweeping the fucking floors in India.