RIAA Grabs Student's Life's Savings

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Don't get pissed off because you all hate the RIAA and you automatically assume that they are wrong in every instance. They have a right to protect their products. I go to a major university. Every person there pirates anything they can. I just will not buy his arguement that it was just a search engine for the network. There was a motive for doing it. Twist my words all you will, there is a difference between google and what he did.

What's the difference between Google and what he did? There's plenty of illegal information available on Google and many people know this.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Don't get pissed off because you all hate the RIAA and you automatically assume that they are wrong in every instance. They have a right to protect their products. I go to a major university. Every person there pirates anything they can. I just will not buy his arguement that it was just a search engine for the network. There was a motive for doing it. Twist my words all you will, there is a difference between google and what he did.

their right to protect products does not mean they should be allowed to abuse the legal system like they are doing. plain and simple, i don't care what you think his motives are, writing a search engine isn't, and should never be illegal.

the act of file sharing is illegal, not writing the tools to do so. don't let the RIAA brainwash you into thinking it is. if somebody made a knife out of some sheet metal and stabbed someone with it, do you think they would ever get charged with making a knife?

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: SammySon
Gives me more reason to pirate now.

 

[Lyfer]

The RIAA can go fvck themselves.

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
He got caught, should we feel sorry for him? Maybe. Was he wrong? Yes.

You're a moron. He programmed a SEARCH ENGINE!

 

[Leetman]

/em downloads several thousand more dollars of pirated crap.

 

[MaxDSP]

that sucks for him

 

[Hanpan]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Don't get pissed off because you all hate the RIAA and you automatically assume that they are wrong in every instance. They have a right to protect their products. I go to a major university. Every person there pirates anything they can. I just will not buy his arguement that it was just a search engine for the network. There was a motive for doing it. Twist my words all you will, there is a difference between google and what he did.

I do not hate the RIAA. In fact I do not even reside in the United States of America, so I have very little dealings with the RIAA. I do however value the american ideals of freedom which include the right not only for companies to protect their products, as you stated, but also for anyone to write a program as this person did. I certainly agree that there may be few legitimate uses for such a program, but this fact alone does not meet the defintion of an illegal product (note napster and kazaa victories in court).

 

[Whisper]

Yep, he shouldn't have gotten sued for this. Period. He wrote a search engine, that's all. Might he have intended its use to be music piracy? Sure, but he didn't spell it out that way. He didn't make it any easier to search for pirated music than for physics notes or powerpoint slides. All he did was write a search engine to files on a university's network. The RIAA is full of a bunch of arseholes, and I will never again buy a cd unless I know the musicians burned it themselves on their home computer.

 

[Leetman]

On a side note, I hope his site is up soon, I feel like donating a lot, just to spite the RIAA.

 

[JW310]

Originally posted by: Leetman
On a side note, I hope his site is up soon, I feel like donating a lot, just to spite the RIAA.

It works here for me...


JW

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Don't get pissed off because you all hate the RIAA and you automatically assume that they are wrong in every instance. They have a right to protect their products. I go to a major university. Every person there pirates anything they can. I just will not buy his arguement that it was just a search engine for the network. There was a motive for doing it. Twist my words all you will, there is a difference between google and what he did.

I agree, the RIAA does have a right to ensure it's good are not stolen. At the same time I don't believe that they have the right to take down legit expenditures in the name of preventing piracy. If they wanted to solve the root of the problem they would have laid the law down on RPI for failing to regulate filesharing on their network. I see this search engine as simply a window to RPI's own "problems" if you will.

 

[Maverick]

why the hell would he settle? I would counter-sue the RIAA for their gestapo tactics.

 

[Hanpan]

Originally posted by: Shiva112
why the hell would he settle? I would counter-sue the RIAA for their gestapo tactics.

The RIAA would simply drag it out until he ran out of money and then squash him. He did the reasonable thing. Lawyers are expensive, especially the kind you need to fight an outfit that can afford top legal representation.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Hanpan

Originally posted by: Shiva112
why the hell would he settle? I would counter-sue the RIAA for their gestapo tactics.

The RIAA would simply drag it out until he ran out of money and then squash he. He did the reasonable thing. Lawyers are expensive, especially the kind you need to fight an outfit that can afford top legal representation.

exactly. things like this make me wish i was bill gates so i could sue them out of existence back.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Oh, I can't wait for when the RIAA goes after Google or Yahoo. Oh man will that be a major court battle. You know Google will tell the RIAA to bend over, cause it's gonna ram it in the ass like a ton of bricks.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Oh, I can't wait for when the RIAA goes after Google or Yahoo. Oh man will that be a major court battle. You know Google will tell the RIAA to bend over, cause it's gonna ram it in the ass like a ton of bricks.

i dunno, google hasn't really done anything that would lead us to believe that would happen. do you remember what happened when it was threatened by the church of scientology? it basically took it up the ass a little.

 

[SludgeFactory]

Some of you need to understand what's going on here.

Jesse Jordan was sued for both direct and contributory infringement. He was apparently caught dead to rights with MP3's on his hard drive. Come on, WTF do you think he was doing -- just running a search engine for the good of mankind and not indulging in any of the files available on the network?

The recent college cases

The complaint against Jordan

Defendant is committing direct copyright infringment himself by copying and distributing hundreds of sound recordings over his system without the authorization of the copyright owners.

The TechTV article glosses over this. As do most people, which is what the RIAA wants. They want you to think this kid got busted purely for a search engine, so that you think twice when you get the idea to do it. Maybe he could have fought the search engine charge and beaten it, who knows. If you're sued for whatever insane amount he was sued for (the type of suit that destroys you financially forever, that you spend YEARS fighting), know you're guilty on many counts, and then are given the opportunity to settle for $12,000 --- which option do you take?

The RIAA had him on the direct infringement, offered him a quick and relatively easy settlement, and are counting on idiots in the media to report that search engines are now somehow illegal.

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: Hanpan

Originally posted by: Shiva112
why the hell would he settle? I would counter-sue the RIAA for their gestapo tactics.

The RIAA would simply drag it out until he ran out of money and then squash him. He did the reasonable thing. Lawyers are expensive, especially the kind you need to fight an outfit that can afford top legal representation.

*runs Direct Connect*

 

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: SludgeFactory
Some of you need to understand what's going on here.

Jesse Jordan was sued for both direct and contributory infringement. He was apparently caught dead to rights with MP3's on his hard drive. Come on, WTF do you think he was doing -- just running a search engine for the good of mankind and not indulging in any of the files available on the network?

The recent college cases

The complaint against Jordan

Defendant is committing direct copyright infringment himself by copying and distributing hundreds of sound recordings over his system without the authorization of the copyright owners.

The TechTV article glosses over this. As do most people, which is what the RIAA wants. They want you to think this kid got busted purely for a search engine, so that you think twice when you get the idea to do it. Maybe he could have fought the search engine charge and beaten it, who knows. If you're sued for whatever insane amount he was sued for (the type of suit that destroys you financially forever, that you spend YEARS fighting), know you're guilty on many counts, and then are given the opportunity to settle for $12,000 --- which option do you take?

The RIAA had him on the direct infringement, offered him a quick and relatively easy settlement, and are counting on idiots in the media to report that search engines are now somehow illegal.

Thank god there is someone else....

If I recall, the google cache of his website allowed a drop-down menu to filter what you search for? What was in that drop box? ".mp3, .avi, .mpg" etc. Still think it was a "network search engine"? It also had file size filtering, so you could ensure it wasn't just a sound effect, or a movie clip, but an entire song, or an entire film.

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: SludgeFactory
Some of you need to understand what's going on here.

Jesse Jordan was sued for both direct and contributory infringement. He was apparently caught dead to rights with MP3's on his hard drive. Come on, WTF do you think he was doing -- just running a search engine for the good of mankind and not indulging in any of the files available on the network?

The recent college cases

The complaint against Jordan

Defendant is committing direct copyright infringment himself by copying and distributing hundreds of sound recordings over his system without the authorization of the copyright owners.

The TechTV article glosses over this. As do most people, which is what the RIAA wants. They want you to think this kid got busted purely for a search engine, so that you think twice when you get the idea to do it. Maybe he could have fought the search engine charge and beaten it, who knows. If you're sued for whatever insane amount he was sued for (the type of suit that destroys you financially forever, that you spend YEARS fighting), know you're guilty on many counts, and then are given the opportunity to settle for $12,000 --- which option do you take?

The RIAA had him on the direct infringement, offered him a quick and relatively easy settlement, and are counting on idiots in the media to report that search engines are now somehow illegal.

Thank god there is someone else....

If I recall, the google cache of his website allowed a drop-down menu to filter what you search for? What was in that drop box? ".mp3, .avi, .mpg" etc. Still think it was a "network search engine"? It also had file size filtering, so you could ensure it wasn't just a sound effect, or a movie clip, but an entire song, or an entire film.

if he himself was distributing files, then it's a different story, yes.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Arr, matey. This thread gives me a shiverin feelin in me timbers.

- M4H

 

[dawks]

Originally posted by: SammySon
Gives me more reason to pirate now.

Boycott the RIAA

 

[Linux23]

the RIAA are a buch of fvcking cowards. never again will I purchase a CD.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Arr, matey. This thread gives me a shiverin feelin in me timbers.

- M4H

That''s:


HAAAARRRRR!!