RIAA is trying to sue allofmp3.com for $1.65 TRILLION

[OVerLoRDI]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
ITS OVER 9,000!!!

WHAT 9,000?!?!?

 

[wazzledoozle]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
What jurisdiction does the Recording Industry Association of America think they have over a Russian company anyways?

WTO. You'll read about it when you take 8th grade world politics (or is that reserved for 9th grade now?).

I think someone is disconnected from reality, in multiple ways.

 

[RaistlinZ]

It's times like these when I wish I was a judge, so I could tell people like the RIAA to just get the f*ck out of my courtroom.

 

[GoPackGo]

oh...we make a song...its worth millions...

pay us pay us pay us.

Could you imagine what the king would have to pay the court minstrel if the RIAA was in charge?

 

[ballmode]

RIAA is jank

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: Raduque
I'm not suprised. The RIAA is out of control with this lawsuit crap.

More importantly did you read the article about the australian FBI finding the numbers they use to justify the amount they sue for are completely made up.

 

[Arglebargle]

Originally posted by: AndrewR

Originally posted by: Arglebargle

Originally posted by: AndrewR
Every time I see some more garbage from the RIAA like this, it makes me want to go download some songs. I actually didn't pirate any songs until they started suing individuals for downloading, then I installed Bearshare and grabbed a few hundred. I guess I have to find a client and find some more songs.

If there were some workable form of micropayment, you could pay a nickle or a dime for song download directly to the band, and most would make more money than they do from their 'approved' industry sales. Lots of middlemen in the biz, skimming the take right now.

It'll never happen while the large companies are around (Sony-BMG, Thorn-EMI, etc.). They control most of the middle and profit along the way so they have every interest in keeping it going. I took a legal course about the music industry, and it was eye opening how much money from each album goes where.

Any guess why artists tour? It's not to promote their albums. They (the artists) get much, much, MUCH more money from touring than album sales unless they are well established artists who can dictate some terms to the record company (superstars, not merely 2nd album successes).

The big killer for artists is recoupment costs. The record company essentially loans them money upfront plus also "bills" them for promotion costs for the album. All the royalties from the album that would go to the band are diverted to recoupment of that "debt". That's why bands that have a very successful album don't see much of the money.

If you want to support a band, don't buy the album -- go see them in concert.

Good stuff. Smart bands take their record or developmental deal and invest it into equipment, and record themselves. That way, even if (when) the record companies stiff you, you at least have the equipment.

And you have to be real careful what you sign, as that little unimportant looking codicil on page 12 can make you an indentured servant for a decade, cause you to lose your name or song rights, or leave you without control over your music.....

 

[Lonyo]

The record companies contend that they have the exclusive right to distribute their own copyrighted works and that, in any case, they are not being paid by AllofMP3. "For example," says the filing, "AllofMP3 offers for sale virtually every Led Zeppelin album, none of which is available through any legitimate service."

^^ Maybe that's why people use Allofmp3, because the RIAA suck too much to give them a decent legitimate service.

 

[Eeezee]

Imagine how much more money they could make if artists ran the record companies instead of the RIAA. These artists lead extravagant lifestyles despite being screwed over by the record companies, which indicates just how much money the RIAA really makes.

Speaking of which, isn't the RIAA essentially just a union for rich people?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Imagine how much more money they could make if artists ran the record companies instead of the RIAA. These artists lead extravagant lifestyles despite being screwed over by the record companies, which indicates just how much money the RIAA really makes.

Speaking of which, isn't the RIAA essentially just a union for rich people?

I have to go to work, so I can't get you the link atm. The RIAA just helped pass legislation that would give a bigger cut of the profits to the labels, instead of the artists. I'll find the link when I get to work.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

The record companies contend that they have the exclusive right to distribute their own copyrighted works and that, in any case, they are not being paid by AllofMP3. "For example," says the filing, "AllofMP3 offers for sale virtually every Led Zeppelin album, none of which is available through any legitimate service."

^^ Maybe that's why people use Allofmp3, because the RIAA suck too much to give them a decent legitimate service.

Happens a lot to me.
Much of the music I enjoy is really small time, and I can't really get that anywhere else than on the net.
And on a sidenote, I used to buy like 4-10 albums a month once, these days I carefully make sure not to buy anything from big labels, good thing there are plenty of small labels around, they tend to have very decent prices and no "Copy protection" crap, makes me a happy customer

Just for fun, I checked out Allofmp3, and the first thing I searched for, they didn't have either

 

[0roo0roo]

incredibly stupid, just showing how glaringly stupid their damage claims really are.

ah well time to clear my balance again

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
What jurisdiction does the Recording Industry Association of America think they have over a Russian company anyways?

WTO. You'll read about it when you take 8th grade world politics (or is that reserved for 9th grade now?).

I don't know about you, but the WTO didn't exist when I was in 8th grade.

Eh, I'm still young

You'll also learn quickly that the WTO can't really do ****** to Russia either, no one can.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: TheWart
I really cannot fathom that...France's GDP is like $1.8 trillion iirc.

? World 44,454,843
? European Union 13,502,800
1 United States 12,455,825
2 Japan 4,567,441
3 Germany 2,791,737
4 People's Republic of China 2,234,133 2
5 United Kingdom 2,229,472
6 France 2,126,719
7 Italy 1,765,537
....

Only 7 countries make more per year than these guys want. Combining the GDP of Russia and S Korea doesn't even get you there.

is that not millions? he said trillion

LOL are you serious?? :laugh:

 

[Aharami]

this is what I think is gonna happen. after a long drawn out legal battle, appofmp3 is going to cut a deal where it gets off free for handing over personal info of its 5 million subscribers over to RIAA. Then RIAA goes after everyone who has downloaded from allofmp3.com in the past.

 

[simms]

Originally posted by: Aharami
this is what I think is gonna happen. after a long drawn out legal battle, appofmp3 is going to cut a deal where it gets off free for handing over personal info of its 5 million subscribers over to RIAA. Then RIAA goes after everyone who has downloaded from allofmp3.com in the past.

That is so dumb I don't even know where to begin.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: simms

Originally posted by: Aharami
this is what I think is gonna happen. after a long drawn out legal battle, appofmp3 is going to cut a deal where it gets off free for handing over personal info of its 5 million subscribers over to RIAA. Then RIAA goes after everyone who has downloaded from allofmp3.com in the past.

That is so dumb I don't even know where to begin.

yea but we're talking about the RIAA here. dumb is their middle name

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Arglebargle

Originally posted by: AndrewR

Originally posted by: Arglebargle

Originally posted by: AndrewR
Every time I see some more garbage from the RIAA like this, it makes me want to go download some songs. I actually didn't pirate any songs until they started suing individuals for downloading, then I installed Bearshare and grabbed a few hundred. I guess I have to find a client and find some more songs.

If there were some workable form of micropayment, you could pay a nickle or a dime for song download directly to the band, and most would make more money than they do from their 'approved' industry sales. Lots of middlemen in the biz, skimming the take right now.

It'll never happen while the large companies are around (Sony-BMG, Thorn-EMI, etc.). They control most of the middle and profit along the way so they have every interest in keeping it going. I took a legal course about the music industry, and it was eye opening how much money from each album goes where.

Any guess why artists tour? It's not to promote their albums. They (the artists) get much, much, MUCH more money from touring than album sales unless they are well established artists who can dictate some terms to the record company (superstars, not merely 2nd album successes).

The big killer for artists is recoupment costs. The record company essentially loans them money upfront plus also "bills" them for promotion costs for the album. All the royalties from the album that would go to the band are diverted to recoupment of that "debt". That's why bands that have a very successful album don't see much of the money.

If you want to support a band, don't buy the album -- go see them in concert.

Good stuff. Smart bands take their record or developmental deal and invest it into equipment, and record themselves. That way, even if (when) the record companies stiff you, you at least have the equipment.

And you have to be real careful what you sign, as that little unimportant looking codicil on page 12 can make you an indentured servant for a decade, cause you to lose your name or song rights, or leave you without control over your music.....

It's not just the contracts they sign. First, record labels get a guy to become best buds with your band and that guy tries to get you to sign a letter of intent. All that letter does is royally f*ck a band over because then they have to sign a contract with the label or break up. Of course, the letter of intent could be broken, but the label would laugh in their face and say tough sh!t and put them in a position of sign or break up.

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Imagine how much more money they could make if artists ran the record companies instead of the RIAA. These artists lead extravagant lifestyles despite being screwed over by the record companies, which indicates just how much money the RIAA really makes.

Speaking of which, isn't the RIAA essentially just a union for rich people?

Most artists don't live extravagant life-styles. That is only the superstars that have control over their contracts. The smaller groups might put on a show of being rich, but all that glamor comes from the record company fronting them the money. If bands want to make any money, they are best off touring and signing onto independent labels (where the band won't get screwed as hard and will get a bigger cut from CD sales).

The worst part about the RIAA is that the 4 major labels that control it are not from the US:
Sony/BMG: Japanese
WarnerBrothers: Canadian
EMI: British
Universal: French

The last thing about the RIAA is that most of it is comprised of the 4 big labels and their subsidiaries, so it looks larger than it truly is.

 

[junkiefp]

Guys so what usully happens in international lawsuits like this. Does the coutry that the company resides in take any action?

 

[desteffy]

the RIAA is so stupid....

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: Tiamat
what a joke. Ill laugh if they just file for bankrupcy, RIAA gets nothing, then they just start up an AllofMp3pwnRIAA.com site instead and continue their business...

Oh, this would be hilarious.

 

[TheVrolok]

That is absolutely awesome.

 

[CKent]

It gives you an idea of just how much money they're making at the expense of the artists and the consumers. What greedy assholes, seriously.

Edit: eye kant spel

 

[0roo0roo]

yipee theres a 20% discount for refilling your balance now

20% more music!

 

[Evadman]

Thats more than the GDP of russia.