RIAA is trying to sue allofmp3.com for $1.65 TRILLION

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
What jurisdiction does the Recording Industry Association of America think they have over a Russian company anyways?

WTO. You'll read about it when you take 8th grade world politics (or is that reserved for 9th grade now?).

i never once read about the WTO in school, be that HS or college

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
What jurisdiction does the Recording Industry Association of America think they have over a Russian company anyways?

WTO. You'll read about it when you take 8th grade world politics (or is that reserved for 9th grade now?).

i never once read about the WTO in school, be that HS or college

thats cause you are a old foggy!

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
What jurisdiction does the Recording Industry Association of America think they have over a Russian company anyways?

WTO. You'll read about it when you take 8th grade world politics (or is that reserved for 9th grade now?).

i never once read about the WTO in school, be that HS or college

thats cause you are a old foggy!

im 25

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
What jurisdiction does the Recording Industry Association of America think they have over a Russian company anyways?

WTO. You'll read about it when you take 8th grade world politics (or is that reserved for 9th grade now?).

i never once read about the WTO in school, be that HS or college

Likewise (at least to the HS part, and I doubt it will come up in my history class for college). The WTO was certainly mentioned in some history classes if we mentioned current events and maybe a tiny bit in my Econ class, but it was microecon, so probably not in that class.

 

[Staples]

I don't agree with the amount but I agree that allofmp3 needs to go.

I love how pirates on these boards always fool themselves or try to justify piracy.

 

[Kur]

Originally posted by: Staples
I don't agree with the amount but I agree that allofmp3 needs to go.

I love how pirates on these boards always fool themselves or try to justify piracy.

There's more then 1 Russian website selling music, everyone will just move onto the next one, you can't stop piracy, it's like trying to stop AIDS, it will keep spreading (I hate using that metaphor =( )

 

[Fritzo]

Is Dr. Evil running the RIAA now?

"I'll sue you for ONE MILLION DOLLARS!"

"uh...Dr. Evil...that's not enough..."

"OK...OK...then...1.7 TRILLION DOLLARS!!!"

 

[LS20]

****** them and their lawyers. theyre psycho. soon enough, hopefully, they will just go away

 

[senseamp]

Does the RIAA want the keys to the apartment where the money is too?

 

[Old Hippie]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
yipee theres a 20% discount for refilling your balance now

20% more music!

Thanks for the "Heads-Up". Here's a Majic Christmas for ya.

 

[FoBoT]

those darn pirates

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Raduque
I'm not suprised. The RIAA is out of control with this lawsuit crap.

More importantly did you read the article about the australian FBI finding the numbers they use to justify the amount they sue for are completely made up.

Yea, I'm not suprised about that, either. Wasn't there some woman who filed a counter-suit saying that the damages they were seeking far outstrips the actual commercial value of the works, or something like that?

And whatever happened to that person who was counter-suing under the RICO statutes?

 

[0roo0roo]

yup, actual cost is 75cents~ pre apple cut right? even if you double that for damages its clearly nothing near riaa's number. and really, i support companies like allofmp3 to be a thorn in the riaa's side while they continue to act like tosers.

 

[archcommus]

Has anyone provided a solid answer for where they gather this $150,000/song figure from?

And how can they sue a Russian company? Can't they just say "Fvck you, RIAA"?

 

[0roo0roo]

as far as i know its been their standard damage figure whether they are little 12 year old susie or companies like allofmp3

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
as far as i know its been their standard damage figure whether they are little 12 year old susie or companies like allofmp3

I wonder if they've ever been challenged legally about their damage figures? They are crafted out of thin air so I'm curious how they could withstand a judicial determination of sufficiency/accuracy. Where's the proof of their loss? There is none, other than vague trends which can be attributed to the rise of other entertainment options as much as the advent of MP3s.

Here's an idea. Everyone who has ever downloaded a song should be required to contribute $20 to a legal fund. Then, when the billions dollars is there (start The Sue RIAA Foundation), hire a top notch legal team to annoy the crap out of the RIAA and force their weak legal arguments into protracted litigation. Hey, I'll pony up for that!

 

[bobdelt]

I dont get why they want 150,000 per song downloaded... should they just want the one dollar that itunes sells it for, plus legal fees?

 

[NakaNaka]

Originally posted by: bobdelt
I dont get why they want 150,000 per song downloaded... should they just want the one dollar that itunes sells it for, plus legal fees?

Cause the RIAA is insane.

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: Raduque
I'm not suprised. The RIAA is out of control with this lawsuit crap.

So the question now is:
Who is in charge of the RIAA and when do I have a clear shot?

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Staples
I don't agree with the amount but I agree that allofmp3 needs to go.

I love how pirates on these boards always fool themselves or try to justify piracy.

As I stated previously, I buy most of my music, and I have no problem with that since the labels I buy from tend to price their products reasonably(7-12? usually) and don't ****** around with copy protection crap.
Seems to me like they don't view their customers as their enemies, and that makes you want to buy the music.

The RIAA on the other hand really needs to go, that organization is outright evil, I'd never dream of buying music from any label that's a member of RIAA.
No problem though, the big labels usually only carry utter and complete crap, so I don't really miss out on anything

 

[dartworth]

AllofMP3.com Responds to RIAA Lawsuit

The legal wranglings of various file-sharing developers has created several common response patterns from those unfortunate enough to face litigation from the RIAA (Recording Industry Associate of America.) If you're of the LimeWire ilk, your response may be to stay and fight. If you're from the BearShare clan, you may wish to settle. Then there's the Ares Galaxy option; a tactic that focuses on apathy in the face of potential litigation and carrying on business as usual.

AllofMP3.com appears to have chosen the third option in response to a lawsuit filed by the RIAA on behalf of its member companies. The complaint was filed on December 21, 2006, against Media Services (the company which owns AllofMP3.com) in a lawsuit of unprecedented value in the file-sharing realm.

The RIAA charges that AllofMP3.com is an illegal service and infringes on their member company's copyrights because they have yet to see any of the fees collected by the Russian music store. AllofMP3.com has quickly become one of the most successful music stores online, namely because of its ability to sell music for less than 10 cents per download. The addition of a DRM-free (Digital Rights Management) environment has also helped bolster this service as one of the few viable alternatives to P2P networking - at least in the eyes of the file-sharing community.

AllofMP3 countered the music industry?s claim, stating the service is completely legal in Russia as all necessary fees have been forwarded to the Russian royalty collection firm, ROMS. From there, AllofMP3 feels it is the responsibility of ROMS to divvy up the royalties to the copyright holders. AllofMP3 has managed to obtain a certain level of de facto legality, as the Russian authorities have yet to successfully force the site off line.

AllofMP3?s argument has not impressed the music industry, or the RIAA. The December 21 lawsuit argues that 11 million songs were allegedly pirated, and seeks damages totaling $150,000 per violation. That's a $1.65 trillion lawsuit - a value slightly less than the Gross Domestic Product for the United Kingdom in 2005.

In an odd game of reverse "oneupmanship", where in this case each side is less impressed with the argument of the other, AllofMP3 has responded coolly and with indifference to the staggering dollar amount of the RIAA's lawsuit.

"AllofMP3 understands that several U.S. record label companies filed a lawsuit against Media Services in New York," an unnamed "senior company official" stated. "This suit is unjustified as AllofMP3 does not operate in New York. Certainly the labels are free to file any suit they wish, despite knowing full well that AllofMP3 operates legally in Russia. In the mean time, AllofMP3 plans to continue to operate legally and comply with all Russian laws."

The big question of course will be whether AllofMP3, or Media Services, will show up at any legal proceeding based in New York. Although Media Services has legal counsel based in the United States, the tone of the statement suggests a very defiant approach. A representative of Media Services told Slyck.com that a decision on their future legal tactics has yet to be formulated - pending the review of a yet unreceived $1.65 trillion complaint.

 

[Maluno]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
ITS OVER 9,000!!!

hhahahahaaa

Am I missing something?

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: dartworth
AllofMP3.com Responds to RIAA Lawsuit

The legal wranglings of various file-sharing developers has created several common response patterns from those unfortunate enough to face litigation from the RIAA (Recording Industry Associate of America.) If you're of the LimeWire ilk, your response may be to stay and fight. If you're from the BearShare clan, you may wish to settle. Then there's the Ares Galaxy option; a tactic that focuses on apathy in the face of potential litigation and carrying on business as usual.

AllofMP3.com appears to have chosen the third option in response to a lawsuit filed by the RIAA on behalf of its member companies. The complaint was filed on December 21, 2006, against Media Services (the company which owns AllofMP3.com) in a lawsuit of unprecedented value in the file-sharing realm.

The RIAA charges that AllofMP3.com is an illegal service and infringes on their member company's copyrights because they have yet to see any of the fees collected by the Russian music store. AllofMP3.com has quickly become one of the most successful music stores online, namely because of its ability to sell music for less than 10 cents per download. The addition of a DRM-free (Digital Rights Management) environment has also helped bolster this service as one of the few viable alternatives to P2P networking - at least in the eyes of the file-sharing community.

AllofMP3 countered the music industry?s claim, stating the service is completely legal in Russia as all necessary fees have been forwarded to the Russian royalty collection firm, ROMS. From there, AllofMP3 feels it is the responsibility of ROMS to divvy up the royalties to the copyright holders. AllofMP3 has managed to obtain a certain level of de facto legality, as the Russian authorities have yet to successfully force the site off line.

AllofMP3?s argument has not impressed the music industry, or the RIAA. The December 21 lawsuit argues that 11 million songs were allegedly pirated, and seeks damages totaling $150,000 per violation. That's a $1.65 trillion lawsuit - a value slightly less than the Gross Domestic Product for the United Kingdom in 2005.

In an odd game of reverse "oneupmanship", where in this case each side is less impressed with the argument of the other, AllofMP3 has responded coolly and with indifference to the staggering dollar amount of the RIAA's lawsuit.

"AllofMP3 understands that several U.S. record label companies filed a lawsuit against Media Services in New York," an unnamed "senior company official" stated. "This suit is unjustified as AllofMP3 does not operate in New York. Certainly the labels are free to file any suit they wish, despite knowing full well that AllofMP3 operates legally in Russia. In the mean time, AllofMP3 plans to continue to operate legally and comply with all Russian laws."

The big question of course will be whether AllofMP3, or Media Services, will show up at any legal proceeding based in New York. Although Media Services has legal counsel based in the United States, the tone of the statement suggests a very defiant approach. A representative of Media Services told Slyck.com that a decision on their future legal tactics has yet to be formulated - pending the review of a yet unreceived $1.65 trillion complaint.

This is awesome...they even pay royalties....its not their fault if they aren't getting to Lars.

BTW...when will the RIAA reimburse us each time we buy a "compilation CD" I have four copies of Mexican Radio by Wall of Voodoo from various compilation cds and have paid multiple times for many songs. So what exactly am I buying?

 

[Robor]

Freaking arseholes. Makes me angry that I purchased a Counting Crows CD this past weekend. That was the first one since Tool's last album and will be my last one for a long while. I think I'll go look for songs on Usenet over the weekend out of spite. Pi$$ on you RIAA.

 

[fLum0x]

Originally posted by: ChaoZ

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: TheWart
I really cannot fathom that...France's GDP is like $1.8 trillion iirc.

? World 44,454,843
? European Union 13,502,800
1 United States 12,455,825
2 Japan 4,567,441
3 Germany 2,791,737
4 People's Republic of China 2,234,133 2
5 United Kingdom 2,229,472
6 France 2,126,719
7 Italy 1,765,537
....

Only 7 countries make more per year than these guys want. Combining the GDP of Russia and S Korea doesn't even get you there.

is that not millions? he said trillion

There are 2 commas; and I don't think the US makes 12 million a year.

LOL...probably true