RIAA & MPAA

Nutz

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Sep 3, 2000
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Well, instead of bitching about them, I though I could do a little good for us. Basically I looked up all the senator's email addresses (publicly listed mind you), and was about to send them a peice of my mind. But then I got to thinking that this might be treading on SPAM. So here I am, enlisting the aide of pretty much anyone who disagrees with the RIAA's and MPAA's practices, not to mention the DMCA. The canned message I came up with the get us started is:



<< Sir/Ma'am,

I find it deeply disturbing how my rights have been threatened by the
lobbying of large corporations for laws that inhibit my rights. An example
of this can be found in Title 17, Chapter 12, Section 1201 where it states:

"(a) Violations Regarding Circumvention of Technological Measures. -
(1)
(A)
No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title. The prohibition contained in the preceding sentence shall take effect at the end of the 2-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this chapter.
(B)
The prohibition contained in subparagraph (A) shall not apply to persons who are users of a copyrighted work which is in a particular class of works, if such persons are, or are likely to be in the succeeding 3-year period, adversely affected by virtue of such prohibition in their ability to make noninfringing uses of that particular class of works under this title, as determined under subparagraph (C).
(C)
During the 2-year period described in subparagraph (A), and during each succeeding 3-year period, the Librarian of Congress, upon the recommendation of the Register of Copyrights, who shall consult with the Assistant Secretary for Communications and Information of the Department of Commerce and report and comment on his or her views in making such recommendation, shall make the determination in a rulemaking proceeding for purposes of subparagraph (B) of whether persons who are users of a copyrighted work are, or are likely to be in the succeeding 3-year period, adversely affected by the prohibition under subparagraph (A) in their ability to make noninfringing uses under this title of a particular class of copyrighted works. In conducting such rulemaking, the Librarian shall examine -
(i)
the availability for use of copyrighted works;
(ii)
the availability for use of works for nonprofit archival, preservation, and educational purposes;
(iii)
the impact that the prohibition on the circumvention of technological measures applied to copyrighted works has on criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research;
(iv)
the effect of circumvention of technological measures on the market for or value of copyrighted works; and
(v)
such other factors as the Librarian considers appropriate.
(D)
The Librarian shall publish any class of copyrighted works for which the Librarian has determined, pursuant to the rulemaking conducted under subparagraph (C), that noninfringing uses by persons who are users of a copyrighted work are, or are likely to be, adversely affected, and the prohibition contained in subparagraph (A) shall not apply to such users with respect to such class of works for the ensuing 3-year period."


What I have a problem with is that this measure effectively defeats my FAIR USE RIGHT to backup my legally purchased media (Fair Use Act--Title 17, Chapter 1, Sec 107 & 108). Why can't I copy my DVD to VHS in case the DVD gets scratched? Why can't I play a DVD I legally purchased in the United Kingdom on the DVD player I purchased in the United States? What gives the MPAA the right to tell me when, or where, I can view intellectual property. I already gave them my money to view it! These are the questions I'd like for you to consider. I was able to copy my CD to tape so I could play it in my walkman at the gym (see The Audio Home Recording Act of 1992). Why is my movie any different? This kind of legislation inhibits my ability to exercise my rights, and I challenge you to remedy this situation. The media conglomerates are controlling the media and its market to fleece more money out of the consumer. This is just plain wrong. What's worse, they're lobbying YOU to make it legal. This is simply unallowable. I will not stand for big corporations like the RIAA and MPAA lobbying my rights away. The MPAA vs. 2600 case regarding the DeCSS program is a good example of how the original intent of the DMCA is being twisted to server their own agenda. That program is a good way for backing up a protected work for nonprofit archival just the same a burning a copy of a CD for home use.

The prohibition contained in subparagraph (A) shall not apply to persons who are users of a copyrighted work which is in a particular class of works, if such persons are, or are likely to be in the succeeding 3-year period, adversely affected by virtue of such prohibition in their ability to make noninfringing uses of that particular class of works under this title, as determined under subparagraph (C).
...
(ii)
the availability for use of works for nonprofit archival, preservation, and educational purposes;


This is a great chance to prove to us, the people of the United States of America, the people who voted you into office, just who it is you are working for.

If you would like to see just how many other people feel they way I do, feel free to visit http://slashdot.org, http://www.arstechnica.com, and http://www.hardocp.com and read into some of their articles and respective replies. For what its worth, http://slashdot.org is one of the most visited and well known websites on the internet today. With that kind of following I'd take heart in what its readers are saying. After all, they are the ones who voted for you.


Thank you.

>>



So whatdya think? Pathetic, or simply the beginning?
 

BigJohnKC

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ummm....I think you'll find out who the government works for when the FBI comes around to your house to look for "backup copies" of DVDs and CDs. Are you lining the Senators' pockets? No. But, the RIAA and MPAA are....
 

Nutz

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Sep 3, 2000
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Money talks. That much is true. What I guess I'm hoping for is a public outcry.

Tell your family, friends, your dog and cat for all I care, just tell someone how we're all getting screwed out of our legal rights here. If you can tell them they got ripped off the other day for buying a movie, CD, etc. that they already own in another media format maybe they'll listen. Its an ongoing thing as we speak. Common sense should have told the judge in the 2600 case that it was a legit program to begin with, but common sense isn't a writtin law and the DMCA is. Guess which wins. I apperas that our combined voices are all we have left to fight this monster, and I'll be damned if I'm gonna be quiet about it!
 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Short of a massive nationwide major boycott, youre wasting your time. Believe me youre not the first. Simple thing is we're not willing to give up our movies to prove a point.

You and I both know most people could care less about backing up their DVDs. People want to pirate the stuff. Dont kid yourself. Its incredibly easy to see through this "backup" justification. For every person that actually wants to "back up", theres probaby 15000 who want to copy it.

Deal with it. You should have more important things in your life to worry about that this.
 

Nutz

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Sep 3, 2000
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What can I say? I'm an American and I don't take kindly to people fcuking with my right so they can get richer.

You might be right about all this being futile, but we still have to try. The tide is slowly starting to turn, Joe User is slowing becoming more technically adept, and one day this stuff may be a make-or-break issue for those campaigning for office. As all the PS2 and XBOX kiddies of today's generation make it to voting age, will these issues be haunting them? If you said no, think again. Intellectual Property laws are quickly becoming the hotbed of debate and will continue to do so even more in the near future. A couple of years ago nobody would have even heard about Dimitri Skalorov, but today even CNN reported it. With these issues getting that kind of media attention it won't be long before Auntie X and Joe Blow asks whats that all about. Guess who gets to be the ones to explain it to them?

We do still have a voice in the matter. The question is, are you willing to use it?
 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Itll be a make or break issue, but only because if the candidate doesnt comply, he wont get his handout from the MPAA and RIAA. Regardless of what youd like to believe, outside of our sheltered little tech community, noone even gives a crap, or even understands.

I wouldnt worry about it. This is america. We have an open market. All it will take is competitors to come in and throw everything back into chaos again. Take for example apex. They released a DVD player that lets you disable macrovision and region coding. Sold like hotcakes. They had to remove it, but I highly doubt theyll be the last company to try.

Besides, piracy is illegal, and so are the tools, but does that STOP anybody? I dont think so. The FBI isnt going to come knocking on your door. Just back it up and stop whining.

Gun Control, Abortion, Education...are important issues. This is insignificant.

If you want to get something done, then make an example of yourself. Stop buying, renting, or going to movies. Stop listening to music. Stop buying and using things from those evil evil corporations. If youre not willing to do that, then youre kidding yourself. Then come back after a month and ask yourself whats more important.

The main point is...theyre selling a product, and if you dont like the way theyre doing it, dont buy it.
 

Nutz

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<< If you want to get something done, then make an example of yourself. Stop buying, renting, or going to movies. Stop listening to music. Stop buying and using things from those evil evil corporations. If youre not willing to do that, then youre kidding yourself. Then come back after a month and ask yourself whats more important. >>



One month? Hell, I've been doing this for a couple years now. Most music nowadays sucks, evidenced by the pitiful music sales (not to mention the recession), and the movies aren't that much better. I would still like to pick up DVDs, but I only get those second hand off our LAN's BBS. Same with the occational CD. This way the RIAA and MPAA don't get a cent from me
 

gopunk

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i don't get it, you were thinking of sending them a piece of your mind, thought it might be construed as spam, and thus decided to try and get other people to do the same?
 

BD2003

Lifer
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<< One month? Hell, I've been doing this for a couple years now. Most music nowadays sucks, evidenced by the pitiful music sales (not to mention the recession), and the movies aren't that much better. I would still like to pick up DVDs, but I only get those second hand off our LAN's BBS. Same with the occational CD. This way the RIAA and MPAA don't get a cent from me >>



Ok, then explain one thing to me, and I'm going to state it very clearly because its going to blow your mind. Ready?


If you dont buy these products to begin with because they suck or whatever reasons, WHY DO YOU CARE IF THEY COPY PROTECT IT?

Let me guess, because like you said, you get "second hand" aka pirated movies and music. The RIAA/MPAA wants to stop this, and who can blame them? YOU'RE STEALING FROM THEM!

 

voodooguy

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<< Let me guess, because like you said, you get "second hand" aka pirated movies and music. The RIAA/MPAA wants to stop this, and who can blame them? YOU'RE STEALING FROM THEM! >>



Second hand != Pirated
Second hand = Pre-Owned

Learn some English you dumbass.
 

BD2003

Lifer
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Off of a LAN BBS? Show me how you can physically trasmit an object over a LAN.

Even if he's not pirating, the original point still stands. If he doesnt buy it, why does he care?
 

Nutz

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Sep 3, 2000
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You've got to be kidding me right?!

The LAN's BBS I spoke of is a place to post FS/FT items.

Second hand buying is not pirating. :Q
 

BlackSoul

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<<

<< Let me guess, because like you said, you get "second hand" aka pirated movies and music. The RIAA/MPAA wants to stop this, and who can blame them? YOU'RE STEALING FROM THEM! >>



Second hand != Pirated
Second hand = Pre-Owned

Learn some English you dumbass.
>>



Once again voodooguy chimes in with his totally useless opinion, and hurling insults at people. :disgust:

I used to think the whole RIAA thing was not worth my trouble, cause the last time I bought a cd from one of the "majors" was... well I don't even remember. Now i find Hillary and her stormtroopers ideas have rubbed off on labels overseas, and some of them are now trying the copy protection crap. It seems as though no one is safe anymore.
 

Nutz

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<< Must be a huge lan though? >>



Roughly 5000 users.

Case in point. Just today I picked up 6 DVDs for $50.

Stigmata ($8)
Blow ($10)
The Pest ($8)
Outbreak ($8)
Get Carter ($8)
Boiling Point ($8)

And the MPAA can suck my ass. I'll be ripping them to Divx this weekend. I was even thinking of making a DVD jukebox style thingy (.mpeg 2). With Hard Drives so cheap these days, I could pack my favorite movies away and just play from my box to save on wear and tear. I wonder how many movies I could fit on 340GB?
 

Nutz

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I still sent the email. Just wanted to get everyone else's thoughts/support on the matter.

viva le resistance!

 

WerewolfX

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My opinion is that the main problem with encryting CD's / DVD's is that even encryption can be broken it would be useless for the RIAA/MPAA to enforce encrypted DVD/CD formats when others (pirates) will still be able to rip them. All this will do is stop the basic user from being able to make legal backups of his/her digital audio/video.

In countries that have no copyright laws (Bosnia, China, Korea) you can walk down the street and buy as many copied CD's as you want. Because it is not wrong to do so its a part of thier way of life. Given you cannot ship any of that copyrighted material to the US. Customs stops that from happening.

Say for example you are in Bosnia you can make as many copies of a single CD as you wanted sell them for extremely cheap prices and still make a decent profit.(Still within the limits of that counties laws.) Why because everthing in the country is dirt cheap. But if they try to ship any of that material home it will be caught by customs. The person will be fined for breaching US trade law.

I have seen copies of Microsoft XP with no registration cracks. Copies of B&W wich has so called CD burn protection. Saw the CD's work just fine. Any one can use this software legally without penalty.

Well enough for my rant.

I would like to thank Nutz for allowing me to get worked up over something I feel could violate our rights; with very little realistic return on the RIAA/MPAA's Part.

Bye now GO AMD!
 

Nutz

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Sep 3, 2000
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This is the response from my congressman to the letter posted above:



<< Dear Mr. (name changed for privacy):
Thank you for expressing your concerns about the ability to copy
DVDs and CDs.

Due to copyright protections, movies on DVDs and music on CDs
are not supposed to be copied. While producers of DVDs have
installed encryption software to prevent copying, producers of CDs
have not yet installed similar software. Music companies are
currently considering the installation of copy protection software on
their CDs.

To control the release of movies in different countries and to
guarantee an exclusive market, motion picture studios have
required that DVDs include codes to prevent playback of certain
discs in certain geographical regions. Each player is given a code
for the region in which it's sold. The player will refuse to play discs
that are not allowed in that region, which means discs bought in one
country may not play on players bought in another country.
Regional codes are entirely optional for the maker of a disc and
discs without codes will play on any player in any country.

Should relevant legislation come before the House, please be sure I
will keep your views in mind. Thank you again for writing.

Sincerely,

SHERROD BROWN
Member of Congress
>>


 
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