RIAA starts going after students

[Imaginer]

Or better yet, I think we should ditch entertainment in its entirety. Might do us all good and toss away Hollywood and all those people.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: damonpip
Ah screw the RIAA, can't the record companies figure out how to make enough money without those idiots helping them??

EDIT: oh yeah, and why is it so bad to distribute mp3s, you can always rip the same music off the radio if you want, I see no real difference

There's a huge difference.

1. The radio station pays royalties in order to play the songs.

2. The songs off the radio are not even close to CD quality.

3. The songs off the radio also have talk over them.

Unless you're going to pay the artist and label everytime someone downloads a song from you, what you're doing it illegal.

 

[dighn]

i haven't downloaded much mp3 for some time now. guess it's time to start downloading more.

 

[JW310]

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: ROTC1983

Originally posted by: tm37
I guess that whole illegally distributing copyrighted material thing shouldn't aply to poor college students

Let me take a guess, you never burned or received a copy of music from a friend? :disgust:

Yes I have and that is completely legal under fair use.

HOWEVER taking that CD and making it availible to MILLIONS OF USERS is illegal.

Napster tried to use the Fair Use cluase in it's defence but the court rulled that it fell outside the spectrum of the "intent of the Law"

Yeah... because there are "Millions of users" at RPI..... last I checked, optimal number of undergrad students here was around 1500..... max


JW

 

[JW310]

Originally posted by: AnyMal
I think what many of you are forgetting is that music CD's are a luxury and not a necessity. You are not entitled to free entertainment. Just like with any luxury item the logic is simple, just because you can't afford doesn't mean you have right to steal. I do not buy the whole "poor college student" argument simply because if I were to follow that logic, I could justify stealing some guy's Porsche, simply because "I couldn't afford it".

Sales of CD's, like any other commodity, are driven by supply/demand market. If you feel that prices are too high, don't buy. If enough of you "get on the same page", maybe RIAA will "get the message", though I highly doubt it, since RIAA does not control CD prices.

Another idiotic argument I hear is "musicians are making too much money". I do not hear anyone complaining about movie tickets or DVD prices because "actors make too much money". How is it any different?

Most people who work and want a porsche aren't paying $25,000+ to attend a college such as RPI.... in the past couple of years, tuition has gone from ~$24,000 to $26,4000 to $27,700 with no increase in financial aid.... tell me that doesn't take a damned hit in how much money the average student has to spend on stuff such as CDs, which could easily be sold for less and the record companies still make a profit on.

"The RIAA does not control CD prices"..... bullsh*t..... then who does control CD prices? the artists?



JW

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: JW310

Originally posted by: AnyMal
I think what many of you are forgetting is that music CD's are a luxury and not a necessity. You are not entitled to free entertainment. Just like with any luxury item the logic is simple, just because you can't afford doesn't mean you have right to steal. I do not buy the whole "poor college student" argument simply because if I were to follow that logic, I could justify stealing some guy's Porsche, simply because "I couldn't afford it".

Sales of CD's, like any other commodity, are driven by supply/demand market. If you feel that prices are too high, don't buy. If enough of you "get on the same page", maybe RIAA will "get the message", though I highly doubt it, since RIAA does not control CD prices.

Another idiotic argument I hear is "musicians are making too much money". I do not hear anyone complaining about movie tickets or DVD prices because "actors make too much money". How is it any different?

Most people who work and want a porsche aren't paying $25,000+ to attend a college such as RPI.... in the past couple of years, tuition has gone from ~$24,000 to $26,4000 to $27,700 with no increase in financial aid.... tell me that doesn't take a damned hit in how much money the average student has to spend on stuff such as CDs, which could easily be sold for less and the record companies still make a profit on.

"The RIAA does not control CD prices"..... bullsh*t..... then who does control CD prices? the artists?



JW

IMO if you spend 25k a year on College you are a damn fool anyway.

 

[wyvrn]

The way it's going, all students may be spending $25,000 /yr on college. Rising costs are ridiculocombobulous!!

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: JW310

Originally posted by: AnyMal
I think what many of you are forgetting is that music CD's are a luxury and not a necessity. You are not entitled to free entertainment. Just like with any luxury item the logic is simple, just because you can't afford doesn't mean you have right to steal. I do not buy the whole "poor college student" argument simply because if I were to follow that logic, I could justify stealing some guy's Porsche, simply because "I couldn't afford it".

Sales of CD's, like any other commodity, are driven by supply/demand market. If you feel that prices are too high, don't buy. If enough of you "get on the same page", maybe RIAA will "get the message", though I highly doubt it, since RIAA does not control CD prices.

Another idiotic argument I hear is "musicians are making too much money". I do not hear anyone complaining about movie tickets or DVD prices because "actors make too much money". How is it any different?

Most people who work and want a porsche aren't paying $25,000+ to attend a college such as RPI.... in the past couple of years, tuition has gone from ~$24,000 to $26,4000 to $27,700 with no increase in financial aid.... tell me that doesn't take a damned hit in how much money the average student has to spend on stuff such as CDs, which could easily be sold for less and the record companies still make a profit on.

"The RIAA does not control CD prices"..... bullsh*t..... then who does control CD prices? the artists?



JW

IMO if you spend 25k a year on College you are a damn fool anyway.

 

[Chaotic42]

Pfff...

This is old. I had the RIAA after me back in 1999. I've heard I made the news. I had a hugely popular FTP server in college. I had to talk to the FBI. Not cool.
Apparently the school stopped them from making an example of me :Q

 

[swifty3]

Originally posted by: Spac3d
The college students don't even have the money to spend on cds... why go after them???

Their is no easier target for the fvckin bastards. Want to set an example....I would type more, but I'm in the middle of downloading a boat load of music from Kazaa.....

 

[swifty3]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: JW310

Originally posted by: AnyMal
I think what many of you are forgetting is that music CD's are a luxury and not a necessity. You are not entitled to free entertainment. Just like with any luxury item the logic is simple, just because you can't afford doesn't mean you have right to steal. I do not buy the whole "poor college student" argument simply because if I were to follow that logic, I could justify stealing some guy's Porsche, simply because "I couldn't afford it".

Sales of CD's, like any other commodity, are driven by supply/demand market. If you feel that prices are too high, don't buy. If enough of you "get on the same page", maybe RIAA will "get the message", though I highly doubt it, since RIAA does not control CD prices.

Another idiotic argument I hear is "musicians are making too much money". I do not hear anyone complaining about movie tickets or DVD prices because "actors make too much money". How is it any different?

Most people who work and want a porsche aren't paying $25,000+ to attend a college such as RPI.... in the past couple of years, tuition has gone from ~$24,000 to $26,4000 to $27,700 with no increase in financial aid.... tell me that doesn't take a damned hit in how much money the average student has to spend on stuff such as CDs, which could easily be sold for less and the record companies still make a profit on.

"The RIAA does not control CD prices"..... bullsh*t..... then who does control CD prices? the artists?



JW

IMO if you spend 25k a year on College you are a damn fool anyway.

Not true at all my man.....education is the cheapest money you'll ever borrow, and the best money you'll ever spend.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: swifty3

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: JW310

Originally posted by: AnyMal
I think what many of you are forgetting is that music CD's are a luxury and not a necessity. You are not entitled to free entertainment. Just like with any luxury item the logic is simple, just because you can't afford doesn't mean you have right to steal. I do not buy the whole "poor college student" argument simply because if I were to follow that logic, I could justify stealing some guy's Porsche, simply because "I couldn't afford it".

Sales of CD's, like any other commodity, are driven by supply/demand market. If you feel that prices are too high, don't buy. If enough of you "get on the same page", maybe RIAA will "get the message", though I highly doubt it, since RIAA does not control CD prices.

Another idiotic argument I hear is "musicians are making too much money". I do not hear anyone complaining about movie tickets or DVD prices because "actors make too much money". How is it any different?

Most people who work and want a porsche aren't paying $25,000+ to attend a college such as RPI.... in the past couple of years, tuition has gone from ~$24,000 to $26,4000 to $27,700 with no increase in financial aid.... tell me that doesn't take a damned hit in how much money the average student has to spend on stuff such as CDs, which could easily be sold for less and the record companies still make a profit on.

"The RIAA does not control CD prices"..... bullsh*t..... then who does control CD prices? the artists?



JW

IMO if you spend 25k a year on College you are a damn fool anyway.

Not true at all my man.....education is the cheapest money you'll ever borrow, and the best money you'll ever spend.

Umm... I am in College, but I refuse to pay 25k a year for it. Hell I don't really need a degree for what I want to do, but I am getting one just as appeasement. Trust me I am not learning anything new in school. Self education is where it is at, but not all people can do that.

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: swifty3

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: JW310

Originally posted by: AnyMal
I think what many of you are forgetting is that music CD's are a luxury and not a necessity. You are not entitled to free entertainment. Just like with any luxury item the logic is simple, just because you can't afford doesn't mean you have right to steal. I do not buy the whole "poor college student" argument simply because if I were to follow that logic, I could justify stealing some guy's Porsche, simply because "I couldn't afford it".

Sales of CD's, like any other commodity, are driven by supply/demand market. If you feel that prices are too high, don't buy. If enough of you "get on the same page", maybe RIAA will "get the message", though I highly doubt it, since RIAA does not control CD prices.

Another idiotic argument I hear is "musicians are making too much money". I do not hear anyone complaining about movie tickets or DVD prices because "actors make too much money". How is it any different?

Most people who work and want a porsche aren't paying $25,000+ to attend a college such as RPI.... in the past couple of years, tuition has gone from ~$24,000 to $26,4000 to $27,700 with no increase in financial aid.... tell me that doesn't take a damned hit in how much money the average student has to spend on stuff such as CDs, which could easily be sold for less and the record companies still make a profit on.

"The RIAA does not control CD prices"..... bullsh*t..... then who does control CD prices? the artists?



JW

IMO if you spend 25k a year on College you are a damn fool anyway.

Not true at all my man.....education is the cheapest money you'll ever borrow, and the best money you'll ever spend.

Umm... I am in College, but I refuse to pay 25k a year for it. Hell I don't really need a degree for what I want to do, but I am getting one just as appeasement. Trust me I am not learning anything new in school. Self education is where it is at, but not all people can do that.

If you can afford $25K tuition then sure as hell you can afford paying for CD's! Or go to a cheaper school, get an extra job. Apparently, that college of yours is doing a bad job teaching if you still have no grasp of concept like "you've got to pay for stuff". And while we're at it, please provide proof of RIAA influencing CD prices. I highly suggest taking Basic Economics, I am sure you can afford that.

 

[DaWhim]

let's retal on those bastards!
anyone interests on some mp3 ftp sites pm me

if whoever is on RIAA side, I hope they don't own a VCR at home recording any copyright materials.

 

[udonoogen]

im in college and i pay for all my music. im not swimming in money. i just buy music i like. you can get cds for dirt cheap on half.com. the radio, as was mentioned, is also a good option. mtv radio is great, too ... for people that dont know about it.

okay for all you guys that DL music. im not saying you're all evil and going to burn (no pun intended) because you dl music. but i'm addressing the justification i hear all the time. it does no good to say the RIAA is mean and evil and so its okay to "steal." the logic is hecka flawed. stealing mostly from a big mean corporation, and only some from the artists, is still stealing. it's just really bad justification that i always hear. if you're going to download, just download it because you think it's legal.

as for people complaining about the RIAA shutting stuff down, theyre just protecting their interests. if you had some people bumming stuff off you all the time, you'd be pissed too. this is america.

with all that said, i believe in the legality of MP3s and replay tv. if it ever gets legalized, i'll start downloading mp3s again. as for now though, i dont think breaking an unjust law is reason enough for breaking the law.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: DaWhim
let's retal on those bastards!
anyone interests on some mp3 ftp sites pm me

if whoever is on RIAA side, I hope they don't own a VCR at home recording any copyright materials.

You fail to relize what fair use is.

It is legal to tape a show and watch it later.

It is legal to rip cd's to MP3's for you own personal usage.

It is not legal to allow anyone and there brother to freely download thoose MP'3 however.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Hmmm... Companies going after the criminals... What a novel concept.

 

[Warthog912]

Originally posted by: Eli
:|:|

They must be stopped! :|

Let's all bombard the FTC.. complain about unfair business practices by the RIAA/MPAA...

Agreed. If we don't stop em' they'll be bangin on everyone's door. This crap pisses me off-

 

[Krugger]

Came to post this story to get some feedback, but Dave beat me to it. This hit our school (princeton) the other day as a shock. I was actually surfing to one of the four search engine sites when i noticed it was down. as were the other 3. i checked our newspaper and found the article... then it hit the web/cnet etc.
CNet
campus paper
any lawyers on here think they have a case against this kid? all he did was run a website that kept a log of the shared files on the network, and allowed searching of that log, linking the results. he wasn't sharing files himself. there were 3 other sites doing the same/similar things, but his was accessible OFF campus, probably why he was charged. We've had this for years, one of my buds started it back in '00 by adapting work done by some RPI students and improving on it. now anyone can do it with certain programs. the school is not helping this kid at all either, but they knew VERY well what was going on. these sites existed for years, and they had to know about it. everyone did. they let it go without a word. i certainly hope he gets off.
-Krugger

 

[Krugger]

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: DaWhim
let's retal on those bastards!
anyone interests on some mp3 ftp sites pm me
if whoever is on RIAA side, I hope they don't own a VCR at home recording any copyright materials.

You fail to relize what fair use is.
It is legal to tape a show and watch it later.
It is legal to rip cd's to MP3's for you own personal usage.
It is not legal to allow anyone and there brother to freely download thoose MP'3 however.

actually, IIRC it is not in fact legal to rip any CD's to MP3's, whether you own it or not. i'll find the article if i can.

 

[m2kewl]

Originally posted by: DaZ
Fvck the RIAA.

 

[speg]

It is legal to tape a show and watch it later.

But if these guys get their way, you won't be able to fast forward through the commericals.

I can understand the RIAA wanting to protect their music, but what they are those guys thinking that skipping a commercial is "illegal"? That just pisses me off. :|

 

[ReiAyanami]

they're just looking for a scapegoat to shift the blame for their falling CD sales, the music they release these days is recycled garbage

 

The RIAA and their business model is going down the tubes, and they know it.
Why do you think they are so scared?

 

[Krugger]

He ran a search engine for goodness sakes... could the RIAA hold Google responsible if a search turned up mp3s? i doubt it. so why can they hold this student responsible? seriously, if there are any lawyers out here i'd love to know how they can do this.
-Krugger

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: swifty3

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: JW310

Originally posted by: AnyMal
I think what many of you are forgetting is that music CD's are a luxury and not a necessity. You are not entitled to free entertainment. Just like with any luxury item the logic is simple, just because you can't afford doesn't mean you have right to steal. I do not buy the whole "poor college student" argument simply because if I were to follow that logic, I could justify stealing some guy's Porsche, simply because "I couldn't afford it".

Sales of CD's, like any other commodity, are driven by supply/demand market. If you feel that prices are too high, don't buy. If enough of you "get on the same page", maybe RIAA will "get the message", though I highly doubt it, since RIAA does not control CD prices.

Another idiotic argument I hear is "musicians are making too much money". I do not hear anyone complaining about movie tickets or DVD prices because "actors make too much money". How is it any different?

Most people who work and want a porsche aren't paying $25,000+ to attend a college such as RPI.... in the past couple of years, tuition has gone from ~$24,000 to $26,4000 to $27,700 with no increase in financial aid.... tell me that doesn't take a damned hit in how much money the average student has to spend on stuff such as CDs, which could easily be sold for less and the record companies still make a profit on.

"The RIAA does not control CD prices"..... bullsh*t..... then who does control CD prices? the artists?



JW

IMO if you spend 25k a year on College you are a damn fool anyway.

Not true at all my man.....education is the cheapest money you'll ever borrow, and the best money you'll ever spend.

Umm... I am in College, but I refuse to pay 25k a year for it. Hell I don't really need a degree for what I want to do, but I am getting one just as appeasement. Trust me I am not learning anything new in school. Self education is where it is at, but not all people can do that.

If you can afford $25K tuition then sure as hell you can afford paying for CD's! Or go to a cheaper school, get an extra job. Apparently, that college of yours is doing a bad job teaching if you still have no grasp of concept like "you've got to pay for stuff". And while we're at it, please provide proof of RIAA influencing CD prices. I highly suggest taking Basic Economics, I am sure you can afford that.

you do know most students that do go on 25k Tuition schools are usually on loans right ?