RIAA Sues Backbone ISPs to Censor Website

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Evadman

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Originally posted by: Lucky
forget the story, i just found a new source of MP3's...hahaha!

LMAO!

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Haha! Dodge is advertizing on their site
 

gentobu

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has anyone figured out a way to bypass that java app they want you to use to dl the files? Ive been trying to find the .class file in my temp internet files directory it doesnt seem to be stored there.
 

shifrbv

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An analogy would be me suing the federal government after a speeding car took out my family in a wreck because they didn't take proper precautions to prevent people from speeding on the interstate.

Don't give anybody any ideas
 

AdamDuritz99

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Originally posted by: Jumpem
Can anyone else NOT bring up that listen4ever site?

I can't either. I have bellsouth fastaccess for my isp.
I also tried to ping it, no luck.

peace
sean
 

Swanny

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Someone needs to smartbomb RIAA headquarters with a -27 or something to really blow their butt off.
 

rbhawcroft

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Originally posted by: Colt45
yea, thats the RIAA for you. can't get rid of the source so they kill the middle man :disgust:

yeah the means of delivery is the only effective way. The share sites have IP addresses that arent centralised, it would be quite easy to block those IPs at ISP and backbone router level.

The problem is stopping ftp: without word searches which I dont know whether that would be possible despite ftp traffic being quite small compared with HTML type traffic. Or stopping email rings with broadband. Unless they did word or file type searches then they couldnt really do it, especially with a file download system liek kazaa that has a propreitory type download format, as far as I can see you wcouldnt filter a kazaa file out effectively, like you could an MP3 or FTP transferred file.

Also with Direct Connect what if your DC programme 'memorised' thousands of static IP addresses for other users, then you would have a impossible unbreakable totally decentralised system, the only targets would be the 'host' IPs that listed online users songs, and you could hde these anyway.

Personally I think all RIAA can do it block IP addresses of central servers via ISPs, use FTP and other 'clear' protocol file format systems with key word and file format filtering, and get ISPs to resell an industy standard regualted music and media service that cuts m$ out of the distribution platform and gives the ISPs some more revenue. It the music was a propreitory file format and downloaded to a secure client and media 'bin', then they could make it hard to distribute, but most people would pay the extra for a massive (aka audiogaxay range) range of high quality central rips, and distributed user hosted files. It might be say 2-15usd a month for unlimited media, that would be cool, id do it, you could also have an ad option on the video, that would cut the prices a bit.
 

rbhawcroft

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
The suing of ISP's that allow traffic to child porn rings
Why is that a bad thing? I'm not defending the RIAA. Shouldn't companies be held responsible for allowing illegal (and clearly harmful) material to move over their networks? How about a monthly check for overtly illegal material:High-quality Columbian . . . to go with your coffeeNot yet legalAfternoon IncestThings Fido will do for dinnerDrugs without a prescriptionNow sites that do not violate the law (Not yet legal is talking about decriminalization of MJ) will not get a second glance. But those promoting illegal activity should face the consequences of the law. I wouldn't codify policy b/c groups like the RIAA might go to the head of the line but ISPs need to do a little bit to help.

i think the responsibilty should be based on a question of clear negligence within a commercial setting, ie you cant make their employees crack every encrypted transfer can you, its impossible. but I dont think that serious crimes like this will be sth that most reputable businesses wouldnt go out of their way to support the police with.
 

rbhawcroft

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Originally posted by: gentobu
Originally posted by: SoybombUp next....riaa suing pc and cd-r media manufacturers for allowing users to pirate stuff.
you forgot HDD manufacturers for letting users store the data and keyboard/mouse makers for supplying the keyboards to type the urls of suspected sites and click links.

hey you forgot the fking power companies and IT course teching schools, hell didnt you know RIAA was fighting a crusade against the criminal fraternity.
 

EDiT

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I agree with all the adverse affects of allowing something like this to happen. I am more concerned however, with how they propose to implement such a block. If they plan to filter by source/destination on the backbone routers, you can expect traffic on the Internet to slow to a crawl. Right now the backbone is powered by badass routers that merely care about raw Packets Per Second throughput. If you now try to have them analyse the packet, if even just looking for source or destination, it will not only cause latency, but much slower routing as their processors get even more bogged down than they already are.

RIAA sucks.
 

speed01

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When I try to bring up the site, I get a message that there is no server configured at that address.......odd.....
 

EDiT

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Originally posted by: speed01
When I try to bring up the site, I get a message that there is no server configured at that address.......odd.....

Same here. RIAA probably hacked it!
 

TNTrulez

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Hmm what we can do is slap the RIAA with a lawsuit. Now if any one can come up with some good ideas for a class action. . .
 

EDiT

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Actually, I can't wait for RIAA to sue Yahoo for including a link to the site in their article. By doing so, they are enabling people to get to an "illegal" site. After the 2600 MPAA lawsuit that's supposedly illegal for Yahoo to do.
 

nord1899

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Read this story from The Register. Its more updated.

Apparently the site has already been taken down and moved. Reason why? Some ISPs were already blocking it. Notably Road Runner and others directly associated with Big Media.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: diskop
Originally posted by: Soybomb
Up next....riaa suing pc and cd-r media manufacturers for allowing users to pirate stuff.

Germans already did this I believe.

Yes, the Germans did do this. HP was the big loser, they no longer sell CD-RW drives in Germany.

This suit will go nowhere and the RIAA knows it. ISPs are protected under laws provided for the phone co's years ago, in which they are not responsible for what is transmitted over their lines. The RIAA is just doing this as harassment. Unfortunately, that may be effective, as merely the threat of a lawsuit, regardless of how frivilous, is enough.

 

ViRGE

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Originally posted by: nord1899
Read this story from The Register. Its more updated.

Apparently the site has already been taken down and moved. Reason why? Some ISPs were already blocking it. Notably Road Runner and others directly associated with Big Media.

Then it's already started. Over the next few years, watch your internet access become more and more whittled down until you can only visit pre-approved sites.
 

nord1899

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Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: nord1899
Read this story from The Register. Its more updated.

Apparently the site has already been taken down and moved. Reason why? Some ISPs were already blocking it. Notably Road Runner and others directly associated with Big Media.

Then it's already started. Over the next few years, watch your internet access become more and more whittled down until you can only visit pre-approved sites.

Yeah, the thread over at /. has people mentioning that they couldn't see the actual site. Of course, they were able to view it in Googles cache.
 

Peetoeng

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Originally posted by: gentobu
Originally posted by: Soybomb
Up next....riaa suing pc and cd-r media manufacturers for allowing users to pirate stuff.


you forgot HDD manufacturers for letting users store the data and keyboard/mouse makers for supplying the keyboards to type the urls of suspected sites and click links.


And sue Al Gore for inventing the Internet.
 
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