I like how they say the US health care system is great.
Our healthcare system IS great - if you have money. They have money. So, they will always get the best coverage, care and attention.
No matter how successful the economy of China, it's still an oppressed communist crappy country with no freedom of any kind. The party ultimately decides everything, including how many kids you can have. Anyone with the means would be crazy not to leave that place as soon as possible.
No it's not. It may beat China but our healthcare is shit. We pay for a luxury car but get to drive a 88 oldsmobile. It is fat, slow and sucks it's overpriced gas up like no other.
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
Edit: I guess I get your point... if they can afford the top healthcare they can get it.
Some want to leave because they got their money illegally, such as corrupt Government officials and businesspeople
I laugh at the pussy net of America called Social Security.
Pensions are fine, but handing cash to idiots like their is no tomorrow is retarded.
I live in India all my life, but we have nothing like social security and I climbed the steeps of depravity with an uphill battle. I pay taxes now to the Indian govt. But feel no special to it.
What is that makes many people entitled to something like welfare. Screw them all.
We need a law excluding the corrupt. Half the time someone "wealthy" comes to the US from a third-world country it's because they bilked the poor system they came from.
On a per-capita basis, China is much, much poorer than the U.S. The standard of living is lower. But people growing up in that sort of environment don't experience a sense of deprivation, since those around them are in the same situation. Thus, I didn't run into any Chinese who were thought their lives were shitty and looked to the U.S. as a sanctuary.
Among the 20,000 Chinese with at least 100 million yuan ($15 million) in individual investment assets, 27 per cent have already emigrated and 47 per cent are considering it, according to a report by China Merchants Bank and US consultants Bain & Co published in April.
No it's not. It may beat China but our healthcare is shit. We pay for a luxury car but get to drive a 88 oldsmobile. It is fat, slow and sucks it's overpriced gas up like no other.
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
Edit: I guess I get your point... if they can afford the top healthcare they can get it.
I'm an American living in the U.S. with a Chinese girlfriend who lives in China (in Chengdu, Sichuan province). I've visited her in China and gotten a pretty good sense of Chinese attitudes, and I can tell you that your stereotypes about what it's like to live in China are nonsense.
Most Chinese are very satisfied. As a practical matter, very few Chinese feel "oppressed" or lacking in freedom. I'd read about the great firewall of China, and it's true that when you try to access Google, you get the Chinese version, which (I'm sure) blocks a lot of content. But I was easily able to access the websites of the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and the New York Times, as well as Wikipedia. I was able to access my American email account. I was able to access and participate in Anandtech forums (until my Chinese IP address got banned by Anandtech - I'm not sure why). All the news and information I sought was available to me. So any Chinese interested in getting the unfiltered news - or who wants to send and receive emails free of censoring - can easily do so.
Of course, if in China you want to be an un-censored journalist or seek to change social/political conditions in China or wish to join a controversial religious or political group, you're eventually going to get into trouble. It's undeniable that America has more freedom of expression and association than China. But for the vast majority of Chinese, they do what they want, when they want to, without any fear that "Big Brother" is watching them.
On a per-capita basis, China is much, much poorer than the U.S. The standard of living is lower. But people growing up in that sort of environment don't experience a sense of deprivation, since those around them are in the same situation. Thus, I didn't run into any Chinese who were thought their lives were shitty and looked to the U.S. as a sanctuary.
Edit: Oh, and that statement in the article that a rich Chinese like Mr. Su cannot have a second child because that runs afoul of the "one child" law is nonsense. It's is widely known that anyone who wants to have a second child can pay a bribe to the authorities. At Chendu and Beijing airports, I saw many families with two children, and when I asked my girlfriend about it, she explained the realities of the one-child policy.
The rich will be welcomed with open arms.
The poor will be treated like villians, criminals and thieves.
Yeah that's silly and you know it Infohawk. World is full of winners and losers. When two people engage in business, one person is always going to come out ahead. Also, getting "paid off" isn't necessarily corruption when it's "business as usual" in China. That's the system they have. Grease some palms to get shit done. If you can't, well you have an uphill battle my friend. China has pretty much ALWAYS been this way. If they didn't have the party, they'd probably be the gnarliest capitalists around.
Birth control is one issue, other issues such as corruption is a rampant problem in China. In order to do business they must bribes and paid off officials, and if they missed one or two of the officials out of the bunch they ended up in jail or dead.No matter how successful the economy of China, it's still an oppressed communist crappy country with no freedom of any kind. The party ultimately decides everything, including how many kids you can have. Anyone with the means would be crazy not to leave that place as soon as possible.
So you want corrupt people to come to this country? If so, I'm not really interested in knowing why.
no, US healthcare is the best in the world if you can afford it.
Your anecdotal observations notwithstanding, the article does have some survey data:
That is a quite a startling statistic. How many countries have had 27% of their wealthy class emigrate and nearly half of the remainder considering it? This data would need to be debunked before any anecdotal observations become slightly relevant. Then again, your observations aren't necessarily about very wealthy Chinese, which is the only demographic the OP's article addresses, so maybe you aren't so much incorrect as off point.
- wolf
I wasn't disagreeing with the article's claim that the wealthy were emigrating. I was disagreeing with PokerGuy's characterization of China as an "oppressed" country. In fact, I've no doubt that the wealthiest Chinese - who undoubtedly can live a much better life abroad - are leaving. But my anecdotal experience is that average Chinese don't think much about what life would be like in America.
The super-wealthy are a tiny, tiny fraction of the population. And using them as some sort of indication of what life in general is like in China is just a misleading as it would be to evaluate America on the basis of the lifestyles of America's super wealthy.
I also work with a woman who emigrated with her husband from China 15 years ago and is now an American citizen. She's a well-educated, upper-middle-class woman who's very happy with her life in America. But when she goes back to Beijing every couple of years and visits her similarly well-educated and successful friends, she finds that they're just as happy with their Chinese lives.
I also work with a number of Indians, and you'd be surprised how many of them have plans to move back to India - not because they're unsuccessful or are having problems, but because they really prefer living there.
There's a tendency among Americans to think that everyone else wants to live here, to think of America as the "best" place to live. I'm glad to be an American and I have no plans to live anywhere else, but I don't have an irrational need to believe that "America is #1."