Rich dentist poaches a lion and ruins his practice

[xBiffx]

I'd love to see the permit that allowed them to do this. The hunt was so legal his two guides are facing 15 years in prison.

Exactly. But what does that have to do with their client? So far, nothing.

 

[xBiffx]

I understand what poaching is. Killing within the park - in this situation - would have been poaching. There was purpose in luring the lion out of the park: to avoid a poaching charge.

It wasn't killed within the park. The luring was done by the guides. Which again, has nothing to do with their client. Unless he was a party to it, which hasn't been substantiated yet.

The luring is even alleged at this point.

 

[Ns1]

Exactly. But what does that have to do with their client? So far, nothing.

So far, nothing, because they haven't been able to find him to charge him.

 

[xBiffx]

So far, nothing, because they haven't been able to find him to charge him.

Finding him is a way distant second to proving he had something to do with it. Seems someone found him enough to talk to him.

 

[Ns1]

Finding him is a way distant second to proving he had something to do with it. Seems someone found him enough to talk to him.

Presumably found in America and not Zimbabwe cuz he's too much of a bitch to face the music.

 

[Humpy]

so they can go to the store to buy meat...that someone else killed?

It's the motivation behind the killing that bothers me. Farmers do it becuase they need the money, not because it's fun, hunters make shit up like "a deeper understanding of nature" or needing the food to justify that they like shooting at live targets.

 

[xBiffx]

Presumably found in America and not Zimbabwe cuz he's too much of a bitch to face the music.

Coming from someone on the internet, that is very tough talk.

There isn't any music for him to face at the moment. Unless rage-aholics like yourself can sing?

 

[Ns1]

Coming from someone on the internet, that is very tough talk.

There isn't any music for him to face at the moment. Unless rage-aholics like yourself can sing?

Well, the internet pretty clearly says Zimbabwe wants him and wants to charge him, and it also says pretty clearly Cecil was a protection lion.


Anyway, no need to continue this discussion further, I am unilaterally moving on from this tangent.

 

[xBiffx]

Well, the internet pretty clearly says Zimbabwe wants him and wants to charge him, and it also says pretty clearly Cecil was a protection lion.

The internet says a lot of things. Tells me everyday how I just won a new i-Pod. Still waiting for it though. :|

Anyway, no need to continue this discussion further, I am unilaterally moving on.

Good day to you, sir.

 

[angminas]

Presumably found in America and not Zimbabwe cuz he's too much of a bitch to face the music.

To be fair, I wouldn't stick around in Africa if I were accused of something, even if I were 100% innocent.

 

[rga]

It wasn't killed within the park. The luring was done by the guides. Which again, has nothing to do with their client. Unless he was a party to it, which hasn't been substantiated yet.

The luring is even alleged at this point.

The article states that this particular lion was collared. It was known to and friendly with humans. What do you think was the reason for this relationship? I'll wager that it had something to do with the fact that humans had been feeding this particular lion.

Most criminals are sentenced based on circumstantial evidence. Can you honestly say with a straight face that there is no circumstantial evidence of poaching here? Food was used to lure a lion out of illegal hunting grounds. Unfortunately for the dentist, this particular lion was known to and friendly with humans. If any other lion had been poached this story probably wouldn't have seen the light of day. This lion is a martyr.

 

[Ns1]

To be fair, I wouldn't stick around in Africa if I were accused of something, even if I were 100% innocent.

No arguments there - I would most certainly also be a little bitch and run away if I were in the dentists' shoes.

 

[waggy]

No arguments there - I would most certainly also be a little bitch and run away if I were in the dentists' shoes.

I think everyone would agree to that.

 

[waggy]

Nah, I'm saying that "using the meat" is a bullshit excuse for satisfying some people's urge to kill. They don't need the food, they can go to the store. What they can't buy at the store is the rush of killing.

LOL

/facepalm

It's the motivation behind the killing that bothers me. Farmers do it becuase they need the money, not because it's fun, hunters make shit up like "a deeper understanding of nature" or needing the food to justify that they like shooting at live targets.

No. I do it because you can't go to the store and consonantly buy venison, duck, pheasant or rabbit meat.

killing them doesn't really bother me. I don't take shots unless i know i got a "kill shot". Many a season i have gotten skunked.

 

[xBiffx]

I'll wager that it had something to do with the fact that humans had been feeding this particular lion.

I'll wager you are wrong. That would be frowned upon by almost anyone in authority. Being friendly doesn't mean that you can walk up and feed it.

Most criminals are sentenced based on circumstantial evidence.

Charged, yes. Sentenced, not in this country.

Unfortunately for the dentist, this particular lion was known to and friendly with humans. If any other lion had been poached this story probably wouldn't have seen the light of day. This lion is a martyr.

It is unfortunate. Because of all the sensationalist nonsense going around. Thanks for the great example of that.

 

[rga]

Charged, yes. Sentenced, not in this country.

Not charged. Convicted. It's time you started looking up definitions.

I'll wager you are wrong. That would be frowned upon by almost anyone in authority. Being friendly doesn't mean that you can walk up and feed it.

Nobody walked up to this lion to feed it. Where did anybody say that happened? Food can just as well be left by people who geniunely want to feed the animal as those who want to poach it.

 

[rga]

killing them doesn't really bother me. I don't take shots unless i know i got a "kill shot". Many a season i have gotten skunked.

This. This is what I'm getting at.

A hunter should take a kill shot, or at least a shot that's good enough to incapcitatethe animal enough to walk up to it and end it's life there and then.

 

[Drako]

#LionLivesMatter

 

[Pulsar]

this is why i hate social justice warrior vigilantes.

so he fucked up, let the law deal with him.

The law CAN'T deal with him. He has the money. He can hire the lawyers. He'll never see a day of jail time. If you have the money, you never do time. It's the American way.

This guy already has a rap sheet, and it clearly hasn't deterred him.

 

[Matthiasa]

so they can go to the store to buy meat...that someone else killed?

Maybe his meat comes from vats growing flesh.

 

[Grooveriding]

They need to put a stop to this poaching or our grand kids will only see these animals in videos on the internet.

They ought to simply institute a shoot on sight rule for poachers. They catch you out there hunting these animals, you get shot and left for the vultures. There are more than enough of us to go around that we can lose a couple shitbirds like this vs the thousands left of these animals. A tiger or lion continuing to live and possibly breed is more valuable alive than this idiot or those like him.

Shitheads like this guy would go full stop on hunting these animals with such rules in place. The only people who would still risk it are the financially motivated doing it for pelts or body parts for some of that whackjob mystical herbalism.

 

[feralkid]

this is why i hate social justice warrior vigilantes.

so he fucked up, let the law deal with him.

Right on, Kip!


Did you hear that, everybody?

EVERYBODY stop caring about things and stuff; let the police do it for you!

 

[norseamd]

I believe if he truly broke laws he can be prosecuted in a US court. But there is no way we will extradite a citizen to face trial in a foreign country.

"Communism can be defined as the longest route from capitalism to capitalism." "Capitalism is the unequal distribution of wealth. Socialism is the equal distribution of poverty" "Because you can trust freedom when it is not in your hand. When everybody is fighting for their promised land"

You seem like the type with objectivity and integrity.

 

[1prophet]

Maybe some US prosecutor can get him under the Lacey Act

Under the Lacey Act, it is unlawful to import, export, sell, acquire, or purchase fish, wildlife or plants that are taken, possessed, transported, or sold: 1) in violation of U.S. or Indian law, or 2) in interstate or foreign commerce involving any fish, wildlife, or plants taken possessed or sold in violation of State or foreign law.
The law covers all fish and wildlife and their parts or products, plants protected by the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES) and those protected by State law. Commercial guiding and outfitting are considered to be a sale under the provisions of the Act.

 

[waggy]

This. This is what I'm getting at.

A hunter should take a kill shot, or at least a shot that's good enough to incapcitatethe animal enough to walk up to it and end it's life there and then.

Oh i agree. It makes me mad he had to track the lion 40 hours. With a bow he should have made sure he had a killing shot. the damn thing would drop without yards.

for the record i been bow hunting for 23 years. IF you don't have a shot don't take it.