Rich dentist poaches a lion and ruins his practice

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xBiffx

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Not charged. Convicted. It's time you started looking up definitions.

Not in this country. It's time for you to go to reading comprehension 101.

Nobody walked up to this lion to feed it. Where did anybody say that happened? Food can just as well be left by people who geniunely want to feed the animal as those who want to poach it.

Then why bring up feeding it? Leaving food out for anything that comes along isn't feeding this lion either. Oh wait, that's right, they left it in the cat's food dish.
 
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this is why i hate social justice warrior vigilantes.

so he fucked up, let the law deal with him.

I sort of kind of reluctantly agree with you here.

Trying to fuck up his entire life by killing off his profession isn't exactly...well...nice...

Don't get me wrong, he deserves a kick in the ass.
 

LevelSea

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It's the motivation behind the killing that bothers me. Farmers do it becuase they need the money, not because it's fun, hunters make shit up like "a deeper understanding of nature" or needing the food to justify that they like shooting at live targets.
lol
 

xBiffx

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Maybe some US prosecutor can get him under the Lacey Act

Under the Lacey Act, it is unlawful to import, export, sell, acquire, or purchase fish, wildlife or plants that are taken, possessed, transported, or sold: 1) in violation of U.S. or Indian law, or 2) in interstate or foreign commerce involving any fish, wildlife, or plants taken possessed or sold in violation of State or foreign law.
The law covers all fish and wildlife and their parts or products, plants protected by the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES) and those protected by State law. Commercial guiding and outfitting are considered to be a sale under the provisions of the Act.

He didn't break any laws. His guides allegedly did. Anyways, it doesn't look like he imported the trophies yet either.
 

rga

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Not in this country. It's time for you to go to reading comprehension 101.

You're right, and I think there's precedent here. Circumstantial evidence wasn't enough to convict O.J. Simpson or George Zimmerman, so James Palmer should be exonerated as well.
 

kranky

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I love this quote from the link in the OP.

"Of course, it is a personal achievement to harvest any big-game animal with a bow and arrow," said [the curator of the bow-and-arrow recordkeeping group]. "It is a way of honouring that animal for all time."

Does that sound twisted to anyone else?
 

rga

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Then why bring up feeding it? Leaving food out for anything that comes along isn't feeding this lion either. Oh wait, that's right, they left it in the cat's food dish.

I bring it up because I believe the guides understood this particulars lion's relationship with humans, and believed that they could lure it out of the protected zone with food. When I say feed, I don't mean they dropped some tuna in a "cat's food dish" for it to snack on when it got hungry. There is no doubt in my mind that the guides placed the fresh carcass of an animal that lions typically eat at the edge of park in order to lure one out of the protected zone.
 

xBiffx

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I bring it up because I believe the guides understood this particulars lion's relationship with humans, and believed that they could lure it out of the protected zone with food. When I say feed, I don't mean they dropped some tuna in a "cat's food dish" for it to snack on when it got hungry. There is no doubt in my mind that the guides placed the fresh carcass of an animal that lions typically eat at the edge of park in order to lure one out of the protected zone.

That is how you hunt lion (or really any predator). By baiting it.
 

Jeeebus

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Not in this country. It's time for you to go to reading comprehension 101.

You may want to have that discussion with Aaron Hernandez. Or Timothy McVeigh. Or any of the other millions of people that have been convicted on circumstantial evidence alone. When there is direct evidence of a crime - e.g. the cops catch the suspect in the act or there is video of the guy smiling and flashing his driver's license - we don't generally get a trial so much as we get a plea bargain. Cases based on circumstantial evidence are the ones that mostly go to trial and, guess, what, they often result in convictions.

I'm honestly not sure why you're being quite so argumentative in this thread - your points aren't bad but arguing about things like the definition of poaching or whether people can be convicted on circumstantial evidence just makes you look very uninformed (tried to use the nicest word I could).
 

twinrider1

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In this day and age, I don't understand why killing a big game animal is such a thrill. We're the alpha, it's been established. Want to go out there all alone, ok, you've got something there. But to go out with a hunting party with all sorts of modern technology, I don't see what he gets out of that.
I'm a NRA life member and have no problem with responsible hunting of critters that need to be managed. But I have no sympathy for this guy, legal or not.
 

Grooveriding

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Shitheads who think its wrong to take an animal's life but OK to take a human's life for taking an animal's life are shitheads.

We're all animals. This idiot is choosing to slaughter species that are dwindling, whereas there are more than enough of us that we can afford to lose a few sadists like this guy. What he's doing represents a profound disrespect for the world and the value of what's in it; killing for the sake of killing and establishing some sort of status from killing an animal of perceived value due to its scarcity. There is no challenge or risk in what he did, it's sadistic and cowardly. Nothing of value would be lost if he was put down out there and the reality is this guy wouldn't be there with this rule in place, you can count on that.

It's one thing to believe humans are the most valuable life among the animal kingdom and I'd agree because the loss of one of us is felt profoundly by those close to us in a way that other animals do not experience. But this is not a case of someone holding a gun to your head and saying either you or the lion are dying, time to choose. So in this case an endangered species at risk of disappearing is far more valuable than just one of many billions of humans who is choosing to go out there and kill them for fun.

I think it's a great approach and would allow these 'gamesmen' a way to really honour and respect these animals as being their lunch when their carcasses are getting picked over by them. It also would bring some risk into their 'sport', that they are also being hunted while they're out there hunting. I don't see the problem.
 
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rga

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I understood what he was getting at; I bet you did you.

In jest, however, I would argue that the life of the lion in this article - or the life of any animal for that matter - is more important than Honeybooboo's or the life of those two women caught on camera fighting inside the Illinois Wal-mart.
 

BoberFett

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It's the motivation behind the killing that bothers me. Farmers do it becuase they need the money, not because it's fun, hunters make shit up like "a deeper understanding of nature" or needing the food to justify that they like shooting at live targets.

LOL, this dumbfuck thinks he's superior because he goes to the store and buys his meat that spent it's life in a cage before it was bludgeoned to death.

Crawl back under whatever rock you crawled out from, worm.
 
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LOL, this dumbfuck thinks he's superior because he goes to the store and buys his meat that spent it's life in a cage before it was bludgeoned to death.

Crawl back under whatever rock you crawled out from, worm.

Dr. Palmer didn't eat the lion. He and his hunting party cut its head off, skinned it and left its carcass on the ground. Not sure I see the relevance of your post.
 
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