Richland & Kabini rumours

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AtenRa

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If they said Shipping in late Q4 2013, then products will be released in Q1 or Q2 2014.
 

Piroko

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Actually, Kaveri might be an indicator of how well the restructuring is going. It would be a good sign if it's released on time (and if it's bug-free). If not - well, we've seen that often enough now.
 

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Kaveri is finished design for some time now. It's all up to GoFo and their ability to produce the amount of cores at certain spec AMD was shooting for. Also yields play crucial role in this story since poor yields would mean low profit for AMD and low supply(and higher prices for the consumers in the end).
 

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I'm sure Kaveri will be the last of the first HSA featured products.
Jaguar 2Q2013 -> Sea Island 3~4Q2013 -> Kaveri 4Q2013

Would you kindly remove my name from that quote I never made that statement . Why would I suppose that software is going to be fling in from All directions for HSA. That means what than Haswell is needed now because AVX2 software is waiting on hardware or TSX is ready with software . Whats holding up haswell when All this great new software is setting here with no hardware . LOL Post 1273 remove my name from quote. its not mine
 

Abwx

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AMD have a bad habit of being late with their CPU release dates.

I too don't expect one will be able to buy a Kaveri APU from Newegg till 2014, maybe even as late as Q2 2014.

They have consistently delivered in their history wich
cant be summarized as Phenom or BD delayed launches.

They may well be in time given that they will launch
the easiest parts first.

AMD expects to start shipping Kaveri in a late Q4 timeframe this year. These parts will be desktop at first and will transition to mobile in 2014. AMD wants (and needs) to get these parts out in a timely manner, and they are pulling in the launch as much as possible. Hence the desktop first release while they refine production to be able to adequately address the mobile space.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Shows-and-Expos/AMD-CES-2013-Temash-Kabini-and-Kaveri-side-Sea-Islands
 

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read your own source, shipping in late 2013. AMD said Richland was already shipping at CES, but we won't see it until March. That suggests around 2-3 month difference.

That is why we can expect to see Kaveri available in Feb/March.
 

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AMD have a bad habit of being late with their CPU release dates.

I too don't expect one will be able to buy a Kaveri APU from Newegg till 2014, maybe even as late as Q2 2014.

this is true for whatever has been fabbed at GF.

For product fabbed at TSMC, they are usually early.

Please do not consider this to be another hidden cost of the WSA - it has nothing to do with it and the traditional semiconductor product lifecycle doesn't apply either.
 
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read your own source, shipping in late 2013. AMD said Richland was already shipping at CES, but we won't see it until March. That suggests around 2-3 month difference.

That is why we can expect to see Kaveri available in Feb/March.
Read again what he wrote, he quoted that desktop parts of Kaveri will be shipped first. So now the question is: Were desktop parts of Richland shipped during CES, or were these maybe mobile chips?
 

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Read again what he wrote, he quoted that desktop parts of Kaveri will be shipped first. So now the question is: Were desktop parts of Richland shipped during CES, or were these maybe mobile chips?

When they say desktop . Your not thinking new egg are you . I mean Dell HP lenovo Sony . They won't get their chips first ?
 

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read your own source, shipping in late 2013. AMD said Richland was already shipping at CES, but we won't see it until March. That suggests around 2-3 month difference.

That is why we can expect to see Kaveri available in Feb/March.


Same for Llano. They announced shipments in early April: http://blogs.amd.com/fusion/2011/04/04/“llano”-apu-is-shipping/

And the launch took place in mid June. The real question will be later this year if they can hold the planned shipment date. History tells us, we should expect delays. This is not a specific AMD history, also Intel adjusted their launch date 1-2 months to a later date with Ivy Bridge and now Haswell.
 

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Would you kindly remove my name from that quote I never made that statement

Not sure why your name showed up in my quote...*changed it*

Why would I suppose that software is going to be fling in from All directions for HSA.

Because HSA is more than just Intel. Why is that not logical enough for you?
HSA is a "standard" well, trying to be. But it sure has the "support" needed to be one.
AVX2 is...AVX2. All Intel at the moment.
HSA is HSA. AMD just putting out the first stuff out for it.

HSA is the Linux in OS's and the OpenGL in Graphics, its the OpenCL in Physics and the OpenAL in Audio. Open for usage by anyone who supports it, not, just Intel.
 

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Because HSA is more than just Intel. Why is that not logical enough for you?
HSA is a "standard" well, trying to be. But it sure has the "support" needed to be one.
AVX2 is...AVX2. All Intel at the moment.
HSA is HSA. AMD just putting out the first stuff out for it.

HSA is the Linux in OS's and the OpenGL in Graphics, its the OpenCL in Physics and the OpenAL in Audio. Open for usage by anyone who supports it, not, just Intel.

lately, i am beliving that HSA will help more ARM and consoles, than AMD itself
 

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lately, i am beliving that HSA will help more ARM and consoles, than AMD itself

Never said it didn't or it doesn't or it won't.

Point is, HSA is not just AMD. AMD is pushing it, yeah, but its endorsed by many. Its not just an Intel thing or just an NVIDIA thing. Hence, the advantage of it.

That's why the probability of it getting supported software will be higher.
 

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I'm sure Kaveri will be the last of the first HSA featured products.
Jaguar 2Q2013 -> Sea Island 3~4Q2013 -> Kaveri 4Q2013
Integrating a GCN iGPU and some AMD64 CPU cores on the same die doesn't mean that the product will support HSA extensions. You need an HSA-MMU and an HSA capable integrated northbridge for it. Only Kaveri will have these in 2013.

Why would I suppose that software is going to be fling in from All directions for HSA . That means what than Haswell is needed now because AVX2 software is waiting on hardware or TSX is ready with software. Whats holding up haswell when All this great new software is setting here with no hardware .
AVX2 and HSA are not the same thing. Intel can support AVX2 from HSA. They better do this because the only way to use AVX2 properly is OpenCL. But this is a relatively low-level API.
 
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Integrating a GCN iGPU and some AMD64 CPU cores on the same die doesn't mean that the product will support HSA extensions. You need an HSA-MMU and an HSA capable integrated northbridge for it. Only Kaveri will have these in 2013.

I remember some slides say that Jaguar has some HSA features, and the next gen GPU's also. While Kaveri would have full support. (Just coming from memory)
 

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When they say desktop . Your not thinking new egg are you . I mean Dell HP lenovo Sony . They won't get their chips first ?

Sony doesn't have a desktop division for several years now unless you count all in ones. Even if you do count all in ones, when sony does all in ones they almost always use the mobile/laptop versions of a chip.
 

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AVX2 and HSA are not the same thing. Intel can support AVX2 from HSA. They better do this because the only way to use AVX2 properly is OpenCL. But this is a relatively low-level API

You have A link for that . I don't believe it . AVX2 is intel exclusive for now It would suite intel better to just recompile and not use HSA. Intel can use Hsa When it NEEDS to . NOW would be stupid . On recompiles Intel has the prefix of vec advantage that AMD will never ever have Prefix of vex it will remain intel exclusive . Intel may have to share the instruction set . But the prefix of vex is a combination of instruction set AMD can use . Hardware and Software INTEL does not have to give this to AMD and they will not.
 
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ShintaiDK

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AVX2 is only Intel exclusive because Intel implements it first. The crosslicensing agreement make sure both can use any instruction they wish. BD already support AVX for example.
 

NTMBK

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You have A link for that . I don't believe it . AVX2 is intel exclusive for now It would suite intel better to just recompile and not use HSA. Intel can use Hsa When it NEEDS to . NOW would be stupid . On recompiles Intel has the prefix of vec advantage that AMD will never ever have Prefix of vex it will remain intel exclusive . Intel may have to share the instruction set . But the prefix of vex is a combination of instruction set AMD can use . Hardware and Software INTEL does not have to give this to AMD and they will not.

Actually, AMD are already using VEX encoding - they changed their proposed "SSE5" instructions to match the new encoding, for instance in their FMA4 instructions.
 

ShintaiDK

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Actually, AMD are already using VEX encoding - they changed their proposed "SSE5" instructions to match the new encoding, for instance in their FMA4 instructions.

Any instruction addons AMD have developed (Besides x64) was stillborn.

If you cant make it universal, then you shouldnt waste time and money on it. Another set of AMDs blunders.
 
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