Richland & Kabini rumours

[Gideon]

http://www.slashgear.com/amd-turbo-dock-temash-tablet-reference-design-hands-on-24271087/

The demo hardware is a Compal reference design, with a 13.3-inch 1080p touchscreen and running Windows 8 on the Temash SoC. Considering it’s not a final product, it’s impressively put together: the slate docks into the sturdy hinge section with a satisfying click (and no worrying wobble), with motorized latches grabbing it to keep it in place.

Interesting, the Compal design looks realy good IMO.

The Turbo seems a bit too static though , if that's all it does.Was hoping it will be a bit more flexible. After all, even C-60 can turbo based on some other metrics (at least according to marketing slides).

 

[Blitzvogel]

I want a Temash tablet now.........I think. The performance numbers are pretty awesome.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I want a Temash tablet now.........I think. The performance numbers are pretty awesome.

Looks interesting, but seems way to big to me, unless you have huge hands, it looks really unweildy in tablet mode.

 

[Hitman928]

Unless they can bring the size down to 10" or less, I'm personally not interested. Maybe I would stretch to 12" if the performance is leaps and bounds above the competition with good battery life and not too heavy/hot. But I don't want to carry around a 13+" behemoth all day just so I can dock it where I could have a laptop with better performance and not much more inconvenience.

 

[NTMBK]

Interesting, the Compal design looks realy good IMO.

The Turbo seems a bit too static though , if that's all it does.Was hoping it will be a bit more flexible. After all, even C-60 can turbo based on some other metrics (at least according to marketing slides).

I'm still a bit puzzled by what it is precisely that turbo dock does. I assumed that it just let the APU ramp up, but this video has the AMD clearly saying that there is a discrete GPU in the dock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1kgR09j33s&list=UU0GhiZR9zyPorNmoWyPClrQ&index=20 Which I hadn't heard anywhere else.

 

[Blitzvogel]

I'm still a bit puzzled by what it is precisely that turbo dock does. I assumed that it just let the APU ramp up, but this video has the AMD clearly saying that there is a discrete GPU in the dock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1kgR09j33s&list=UU0GhiZR9zyPorNmoWyPClrQ&index=20 Which I hadn't heard anywhere else.

I'm highly interested in knowing what discrete GPU is in the base. I'd assume Oland to further promote the latest in AMD's mobile graphics, plus it's manageable for the form factor. That leaves me in figuring out which version of Oland it is, hopefully 128 bit DDR3. The GDDR5 version would be pricey and perhaps unnecessary for it's given market, but would be quite a nice bonus for those who want a fast tablet on the go, with some decent ultra mobile gaming capabilities.

 

[Vesku]

If there is a gpu in the base I'd guess it's a low end GCN mobile part. Even the 8550M seems a bit on the powerful side.

 

[Blitzvogel]

If there is a gpu in the base I'd guess it's a low end GCN mobile part. Even the 8550M seems a bit on the powerful side.

So far Oland at 384 SPs IIRC, is the least powerful GCN based discrete GPU from AMD. Oland is used for the 8500 through 8700 mobile graphics.

 

[frozentundra123456]

If there is a gpu in the base I'd guess it's a low end GCN mobile part. Even the 8550M seems a bit on the powerful side.

Seems odd to put an external gpu with an APU. I am not sure about the next generation, but at least for the Bobcat, the cpu is already the weakest link.

 

[Vesku]

Seems odd to put an external gpu with an APU. I am not sure about the next generation, but at least for the Bobcat, the cpu is already the weakest link.

Fits with the APU ideology though, 128 GCN pretty low for compute but if they dock it with 256 or 384 GCN unit.

 

[itsmydamnation]

I'm still a bit puzzled by what it is precisely that turbo dock does. I assumed that it just let the APU ramp up, but this video has the AMD clearly saying that there is a discrete GPU in the dock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1kgR09j33s&list=UU0GhiZR9zyPorNmoWyPClrQ&index=20 Which I hadn't heard anywhere else.

i pretty sure that guy is completely wrong, the dock gives power, keyboard and cooling. the performance increase from this http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/24/amd-turbo-dock-hands-on/ doesn't seem to support an extra GPU, but you could be CPU limited as well.

 

[NTMBK]

i pretty sure that guy is completely wrong, the dock gives power, keyboard and cooling. the performance increase from this http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/24/amd-turbo-dock-hands-on/ doesn't seem to support an extra GPU, but you could be CPU limited as well.

See, I'm a bit skeptical about that explanation too! Blowing extra air through the tablet? :hmm: Seems like a recipe for an oversized tablet, and rapid performance degradation as vents get clogged with dust. It could always be some form of docking heatpipe, but the engineering required would make me leery.

Conceivably a discrete GPU in the base could give the CPU portion of the APU more thermal headroom- disable the graphics part of it, and the CPU should be able to basically run at max turbo all the time.

 

[AtenRa]

http://www.slideshare.net/AMD/amd-isscc-keynote

 

[sontin]

Wait - why they are calling GPGPU now HSA?

 

[NTMBK]

Wait - why they are calling GPGPU now HSA?

I presume that they're not, and that slide is referring to tasks which mix GPGPU and CPU in the same workload on an APU.

 

[SocketF]

Wait - why they are calling GPGPU now HSA?

Because HSA is a special way of GPGPU-computing.
GPGPU only says that you are using a GPU for calculations. HSA also tells you how you are going to use it, i.e. it includes a programming model. Think about nvdia's CUDA, there is not much difference.

 

[gandya]

Can't this company do anything right? How they always are late in developing their own ideas and always end as the cheaper alternative to Intel products?

I guess you were a proud owner of Pentium 4 Prescott cpu...
yes Intel invented a lots of good stuff, but some things like amd64, cpu memory controller, were invented by amd.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I guess you were a proud owner of Pentium 4 Prescott cpu...
yes Intel invented a lots of good stuff, but some things like amd64, cpu memory controller, were invented by amd.

386SL had memory controller ondie. So had older CPUs too. AMD didnt invent that.

 

[MightyMalus]

Any news on Richland Desktop parts? Dates and perf/specs?

 

[Asterox]

Any news on Richland Desktop parts? Dates and perf/specs?

When it comes to the technical specifications here is a picture.

 

[MightyMalus]

Thanks, Asterox.

They should be out soon, no?

 

[Centauri]

About 2 weeks, IIRC.

Anyways, I halfway wonder if AMD achieved Richland's clock speed-to-TDP gains by realizing what most home tweakers already knew; AMD overvolts APUs significantly, for no apparent reason. I dropped mine from 1.39v~ to 1.275v at stock clock speeds, and my full load power consumption dropped by about 25w.

 

[beginner99]

Because HSA is a special way of GPGPU-computing.
GPGPU only says that you are using a GPU for calculations. HSA also tells you how you are going to use it, i.e. it includes a programming model. Think about nvdia's CUDA, there is not much difference.

Thats not true. HSA is an abstraction layer. HSA decides were your code is run (CPU, GPU) and not the programmer. And hence very different to CUDA.

 

[Piroko]

See, I'm a bit skeptical about that explanation too! Blowing extra air through the tablet? :hmm: Seems like a recipe for an oversized tablet, and rapid performance degradation as vents get clogged with dust. It could always be some form of docking heatpipe, but the engineering required would make me leery.

Why should a tablet have more problems with that than any Notebook from the last 15 years? We're still only taling about 15W TDP afaik, that won't need big coolers or high air flow.

 

[dbcoopernz]

Posted by a game developer:

http://twitter.com/repi/status/306835055114866688

Johan Andersson ‏@repi

Just got this awesome & cute little PC prototype board from AMD, thanks! It's their next generation APU dev system pic.twitter.com/a6pUMz8jKF