Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"

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Via

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Yeah, the girl whose video I linked to does a pretty good job of putting together the pieces and creating a plausible theory. I recommend watching it if you haven't.

Ridley Scott (and the scriptwriters) were focusing on the "Alien Jesus" angle, but ultimately the producers got scared of the controversy it might generate and ordered the filmakers to destress that idea in a major way.

This heap of junk is what was left after they spliced it all to hell.

The way the engineer reacted makes much more sense if you consider we crucified his ancestor.
 

Chiropteran

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The storm certainly wasn't "safe" for the others.

What kind of argument are you making?

I said the SHIP was known safe as opposed to the structure. The storm was not choice A or B, it wasn't a choice at all. Of course the storm is unsafe, I never said it was safe


Though, I think I should point out the storm didn't kill anyone, while the "structure" killed a bunch of people
 

Ichinisan

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What kind of argument are you making?

I said the SHIP was known safe as opposed to the structure. The storm was not choice A or B, it wasn't a choice at all. Of course the storm is unsafe, I never said it was safe


Though, I think I should point out the storm didn't kill anyone, while the "structure" killed a bunch of people

At that point, they only observed that nothing in the structure had been disturbed for over 2,000 years. Those two guys dying is just a terrible screenplay. Why did they go back to the room and walk over the 2,000-year-old corpse that originally freaked them out? Why did he stick his face into a cobra?!
 

glen

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David played it back.
There was a video recording and playback system built into the whatchamacallit which happened to be recording when the engineers were running and dying and David knew how to make it play back and it had a super geewiz hologram playback system set up?
 

JEDI

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Given the entirely negative effects of the ooze on the Engineers at the facility (and other species of limited evolution like the mealworms) I'm not sure that's the case.

what exactly did the ooze do to the engineers?

and what where they running away from in the hologram?
 

yllus

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ok, so is there any explanation for wtf the first scene was about? Giant alien dude watches a ship take off, drinks some shit, and falls apart. Errr... ok?

I think movie watchers tend to find more meaning and reason than the writers really are smart enough to think of, but I think this was alluded to explicitly: The Engineers were kings, but their rein was ending and it was time for them to sacrifice themselves for the next generation. So they jetted around the universe and dropped off representatives on various planets to seed them.
 

SSSnail

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I don't think the Vatican would approve of a movie, where Jesus was a space alien.
They would have to, in order for their religion to survive into the next chapter. Otherwise, their religion will be gone soon by the way of Zeus and, *gasp*, Prometheus!

Poison as many stupid minds as possible, as evident in this thread.

If the movie wasn't a religious propaganda fluff piece, it wouldn't be as stupid.

Watch, within the next few decades, you will see a shift in the "interpretation" of the Bible, where Jesus will become a space alien. Still the son of God, because, as the movie implies, God creates everything, blah blah... I wouldn't be surprised one bit.
 

K1052

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You are making assumptions. The mural and the 2,000 year reference and their heading to wipe out Earth swings points right back to a human encounter. Also, we never see what they were running from. They ran *TO* the fluid.

I said previously it was clear that their species had interacted with humanity over the course of history. The obvious implication due to the the timing is that something went sideways around the time of Christ causing the decision to wipe out the planet, possibly with those events being directly involved.

They ran to a door. Clearly something was loose in the facility and they were trying to get away from it.
 

Chiropteran

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At that point, they only observed that nothing in the structure had been disturbed for over 2,000 years. Those two guys dying is just a terrible screenplay. Why did they go back to the room and walk over the 2,000-year-old corpse that originally freaked them out? Why did he stick his face into a cobra?!

Did you see Alien? Or *any* horror movie, like, ever? The less important characters do dumb things and get killed. It's pretty much a standard.
 

Ichinisan

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Did you see Alien? Or *any* horror movie, like, ever? The less important characters do dumb things and get killed. It's pretty much a standard.

Quit making excuses for this terrible screenplay. In those movies, the stoner/fool's "dumb" actions are consistent with the character. In this movie, it goes against the character and there's just no way to reconcile the conflicting action with the character's motivation.
 

Chiropteran

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Quit making excuses for this terrible screenplay. In those movies, the stoner/fool's "dumb" actions are consistent with the character. In this movie, it goes against the character and there's just no way to reconcile the conflicting action with the character's motivation.

Okay, I'll bite.

Whats the character's motivation? You see those guys for maybe 10 minutes on screen before this point, and they have maybe 6-7 lines each, but you think that is enough to know their motivations and character?

They are minor characters, they don't say much, and then they die.

I think I found out why you don't like the movie, you seem to think you can look at something for 10 seconds and instantly know everything about it. The movie is too deep for you and you don't like anything that requires analysis or thinking.
 

brainhulk

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Okay, I'll bite.

Whats the character's motivation? You see those guys for maybe 10 minutes on screen before this point, and they have maybe 6-7 lines each, but you think that is enough to know their motivations and character?

They are minor characters, they don't say much, and then they die.

I think I found out why you don't like the movie, you seem to think you can look at something for 10 seconds and instantly know everything about it. The movie is too deep for you and you don't like anything that requires analysis or thinking.

It is not acceptable to make such characters incredibly stupid, despite just being minor. They were handpicked for a gazillion dollar mission, surely anyone with an iq below a rock wouldn't have been chosen.

Its distracting when you are focusing on an otherwise great suspense movie. To me its jut lazy writing to add suspense/action .
 

K1052

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It is not acceptable to make such characters incredibly stupid, despite just being minor. They were handpicked for a gazillion dollar mission, surely anyone with an iq below a rock wouldn't have been chosen.

Its distracting when you are focusing on an otherwise great suspense movie. To me its jut lazy writing to add suspense/action .

They weren't all handpicked.

The only characters that knew the full intent of the mission were Holloway, Shaw, Vickers, Weyland, and David. Some other minor characters had a little more information since Vickers hired them personally, as explained in the film. The rest were just contract workers from the company who were available for a 4 year mission. Weyland clearly didn't give a crap if anyone died in his quest for immortality, a common theme through all the movies has been that the company considered people expendable.

That said....I do think the way the geologist and biologist were killed was a cop out. There were better ways to do it.
 

SP33Demon

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I'm late to the party and I haven't read all 26 pages. So forgive me if what I write was handled on page 5 or so.

I think the explanation for the movie is much simpler than what people are trying to make it out to be. I interpret the film in light of the other Alien films and the motivations of the characters in those films as well. In the Aliens movies, the premise was always the same: Take a group of unwitting humans and place them in proximity of the Alien for the purpose of 'research.' The motivations are greedy and unethical, but consistent. In Alien, the Nostromo is sent to the alien spaceship with the understanding that the crew members would get infected by the Alien species and it was Ash's responsibility to get the specimen back to Earth. Riply ends up foiling the efforts however. In Aliens, the ante is upped to building a whole colony on the planet, again, for the express purpose of getting the inhabitants infected by the Aliens to see what happens. Then the Marines are sent in to, unwittingly, get a sample back. Again, thanks to Riply and an underestimation of the Aliens things go wrong. I believe the third movie is not canon and I haven't seen the fourth, so I'll stop there.

My point is that humans were interested in the xenomorph for the whole purpose of studying how it interacted with humans. There's an idea that it's for weaponization.

Now let's go to Prometheus. The Engineers find a life sustaining but otherwise uninhabited planet and seed it with their own DNA. That takes root and, over the course of millennia, humans evolve. Humans are, genetically speaking, identical to the Engineers. For what purpose would they do such a thing? For the same basic motivations in the other Aliens movies. They were creating a petri dish upon which they could safely test on copies of themselves. People seem to be stuck on the premise that the Engineers were intent on destroying mankind. I don't think that's the case at all. If they wanted to simply kill us, there were easier ways. Rather they wanted to experiment on us. We, being genetic copies of themselves, would give them the answers to what their mutagenic substance was capable of.

Now this didn't go as planned. Somehow the substance got loose on planet LV223, creating monsters which killed the inhabitants. This happened 2,000 years ago, and I think people are making too much of that number. It corresponds (roughly) with the blossoming of civilization across the Earth, but remember that the Aliens work on a glacial pace. Think of how long it took for man to evolve from the initial seeding and 2,000 years is about a minute's worth of time.

Everyone assumes that the Engineer was hell-bent to get to Earth and destroy it. Why? Could it simply be that he just wanted to get the hell out of dodge? Impossible to say. Especially because we do not know what David told him.

Regardless, it seems clear to me that the goal of the Engineers was to experiment on Earth, not destroy it. We were an artificial life form created by their scientists that could be used 'ethically' for testing purposes. At around 2,000 years ago, we had evolved sufficiently for them to conduct their tests and therefore, they prepared the mutagenic goo for transport to Earth. I think this makes much more sense than this highly evolved race just being bitter and angry about killing Jesus, or some such nonsense. If that was the case, they would have just killed us all off and started over. In my opinion, the Engineers had exactly the same motivations in Prometheus as the Corporation does in the later Alien movies.

So they wanted to experiment with the black ooze on us? I think they already know that it will kill us.
 

SP33Demon

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Chiropteran

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It is not acceptable to make such characters incredibly stupid, despite just being minor. They were handpicked for a gazillion dollar mission, surely anyone with an iq below a rock wouldn't have been chosen.

Its distracting when you are focusing on an otherwise great suspense movie. To me its jut lazy writing to add suspense/action .

Did you *see* Alien? Guy sticks his head down to look at some alien thing growing on the ground, it jumps out and attaches to his face.

Fast forward to Prometheus: guy looks at a snake thing that comes slithering up, freezing hoping it won't strike, it does anyway.

Check any other horror movie, you will see the same things.

This is how movies are made. It sounds like you guys don't like movies.
 
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