Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"

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Chiropteran

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Prometheus was probably doomed, but if it's makers had at least had a shred of courage to follow through on at least some sequences it might have been "good" doomed instead of "bad" doomed.

Doomed?

It's 73% on RT, 7.6 on imdb. Other than the vocal minority of angry kids on message boards, the majority of people liked the movie.
 

chimaxi83

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May 18, 2003
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Doomed?

It's 73% on RT, 7.6 on imdb. Other than the vocal minority of angry kids on message boards, the majority of people liked the movie.

Lol seriously. So much nerd rage over this movie. Good thing nobody (other than other angry nerds) cares.
 

SP33Demon

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Jun 22, 2001
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Doomed?

It's 73% on RT, 7.6 on imdb. Other than the vocal minority of angry kids on message boards, the majority of people liked the movie.

Yep, 750+ replies in this thread now. I'd say the movie accomplished what it set out to do.
 

Via

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People keep coming up with absolute weird stuff without links and expect it to be the way they think it is. Links for this please?
Reminds me of how fans contorted the end of ME3 to create an indoctrination theory.

Jesus Christ, don't be so lazy. Find the post where I linked to the girl's video on your own.

Doomed?

It's 73% on RT, 7.6 on imdb. Other than the vocal minority of angry kids on message boards, the majority of people liked the movie.

The fact that this reality-show ADD (and AADD) culture finds the answers they're looking for in this sort of crap is not a happy thing imo.
 

BudAshes

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Jul 20, 2003
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Doomed?

It's 73% on RT, 7.6 on imdb. Other than the vocal minority of angry kids on message boards, the majority of people liked the movie.

As one critic says "The production design by Arthur Max and the art direction of the film are spectacular. It is an awesome feat of visual art."

This is true, but the script is crap. Anyone that disagrees was drunk when they watched it or thinks the ending of Lost was genius. Therefore it gets a C-. When you go in expecting an A and get a C- there is bound to be disappointment.
 

SP33Demon

Lifer
Jun 22, 2001
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As one critic says "The production design by Arthur Max and the art direction of the film are spectacular. It is an awesome feat of visual art."

This is true, but the script is crap. Anyone that disagrees was drunk when they watched it or thinks the ending of Lost was genius. Therefore it gets a C-. When you go in expecting an A and get a C- there is bound to be disappointment.

Script was fine aside from the two idiot stoners who were lost. Cry more. Also, I bet all of you nerdragers will see the sequel (and/or buy the Director's cut dvd) regardless of your incessant whining that everything wasn't tied into a neat little bow for you. In the end, Scott still wins by taking your money whether you're happy or nerdraging about the movie.
 

BudAshes

Lifer
Jul 20, 2003
13,920
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Script was fine aside from the two idiot stoners who were lost. Cry more. Also, I bet all of you nerdragers will see the sequel (and/or buy the Director's cut dvd) regardless of your incessant whining that everything wasn't tied into a neat little bow for you. In the end, Scott still wins by taking your money whether you're happy or nerdraging about the movie.

First question, if you aren't a nerd/geek why are you on this site? Most people that post here are fairly smart, you obviously aren't so your opinion will be different. You should go find a website where people who are more on your "level" post.

Second question, will you ever want to watch this movie again?
 

Ricochet

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If you guys remember, that LOST thread awhile ago was huge. The number of replies increased exponentially toward the end of the series when fans realized that a lot of questions remain unresolved.

That is Lindelof for you. He has a way of leading audience on with random shit to pique their interest with never any intention of an explanation. It was a huge slap to the face to fans and the LOST cast. The show had great casting and the characters are well developed. I would attribute that more to JJ Abrams. Lindelof gets his jollies by piling mysteries upon mysteries with no real thought to the resolution.

With Prometheus, Ridley Scott forgo continuity in favor of pushing the Alien Jesus story arc. Originally, the movie was not billed as an Alien prequel. Which I really wish it wasn't. Scott really should have made a completely unrelated movie separate from the Alien universe where he can go ahead and explore his fascination with the Ancient Alien story arc. However, in order to get his Alien Jesus movie a guaranteed audience Scott decided to exploit the 1979 movie fan base. This is really unfortunate because now what is considered canon in the Alien universe is forever changed.

Adding Lindelof in the mix makes it even more of a clusterfuck. Scott probably chose him because of his talent for creating intrigues for a more modern audience. Overlooking his inability for proper closure. Remember that a relatively "true to the original" prequel The Thing generated very little buzz with the modern audience. It was "more of the same thing" (pun intended) when compared to the 1982 remake. It wasn't exactly a runaway box office success.

While I think Prometheus is an entertaining movie, it was not what I wanted. As a fan of the original Alien (and Aliens), it is a huge departure of what I had in mind. I would much preferred a more straight forward (even though simpler) plot for the sake of continuity with the existing films.

New creature design for the sake of "new" and "awe" to showcase the new modern technology of film-making actually detract from my suspension of disbelief. I can overlook the pristine & undated state-of-the-art Prometheus ship vs the gritty looking design of previous films, but the change in creature design is more unforgivable. Really, does the squid-like face hugger have to be that big? While we're at it, the Space Jockey from the 1st film was huge (at least 20') and you get a sense that he was a completely different alien race. Really disappointed with the revelation that he's human (or equivalent) just like us and the head was just an ugly looking helmet. Last but not least is the proto Zenomorph at the end of the movie. They had to make it look different (to me cartoony) which is a big departure from the earlier films. The Zenomorph may vary slightly depending on host but never by much as you can see from the Alien 3 movie.

Prometheus is an entertaining movie but as a modern sci-fi film with big names behind it, it is a bit of a let-down. Both District 9 and Cloverfield are better movies (if you get pass the shakey-cam).
 

torpid

Lifer
Sep 14, 2003
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Just saw Chronicle a few days ago. It was a much better "science fiction" film than Prometheus, even though it had zero answers.
 

thejunglegod

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There have been multiple links to an interview in which Ridley Scott, the director, confirms the alien Jesus thing.

Hmm apologies then. Damn!! What is wrong with Ridley Scott to even come up with something similar to a concept of a space Jesus?
 

Magusigne

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Nov 21, 2007
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So I rewatched Alien over the weekend first, I was somewhat suprised to see it was the same Ship that crashed on LV-426 as the engineer ship (Neat).

Alien is a far superior movie..so good. At any rate..Ash (David's counterpart so to speak) behaves similarly to David in the fact he just bypasses quarantine and lets the alien on the ship.

Also Weyland/Yutani KNEW there was alien eggs ("Organism") on the planet as the ship recieved instructions to stop and investigate.
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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856
126
If you guys remember, that LOST thread awhile ago was huge. The number of replies increased exponentially toward the end of the series when fans realized that a lot of questions remain unresolved.

That is Lindelof for you. He has a way of leading audience on with random shit to pique their interest with never any intention of an explanation. It was a huge slap to the face to fans and the LOST cast. The show had great casting and the characters are well developed. I would attribute that more to JJ Abrams. Lindelof gets his jollies by piling mysteries upon mysteries with no real thought to the resolution.

With Prometheus, Ridley Scott forgo continuity in favor of pushing the Alien Jesus story arc. Originally, the movie was not billed as an Alien prequel. Which I really wish it wasn't. Scott really should have made a completely unrelated movie separate from the Alien universe where he can go ahead and explore his fascination with the Ancient Alien story arc. However, in order to get his Alien Jesus movie a guaranteed audience Scott decided to exploit the 1979 movie fan base. This is really unfortunate because now what is considered canon in the Alien universe is forever changed.

Adding Lindelof in the mix makes it even more of a clusterfuck. Scott probably chose him because of his talent for creating intrigues for a more modern audience. Overlooking his inability for proper closure. Remember that a relatively "true to the original" prequel The Thing generated very little buzz with the modern audience. It was "more of the same thing" (pun intended) when compared to the 1982 remake. It wasn't exactly a runaway box office success.

While I think Prometheus is an entertaining movie, it was not what I wanted. As a fan of the original Alien (and Aliens), it is a huge departure of what I had in mind. I would much preferred a more straight forward (even though simpler) plot for the sake of continuity with the existing films.

New creature design for the sake of "new" and "awe" to showcase the new modern technology of film-making actually detract from my suspension of disbelief. I can overlook the pristine & undated state-of-the-art Prometheus ship vs the gritty looking design of previous films, but the change in creature design is more unforgivable. Really, does the squid-like face hugger have to be that big? While we're at it, the Space Jockey from the 1st film was huge (at least 20') and you get a sense that he was a completely different alien race. Really disappointed with the revelation that he's human (or equivalent) just like us and the head was just an ugly looking helmet. Last but not least is the proto Zenomorph at the end of the movie. They had to make it look different (to me cartoony) which is a big departure from the earlier films. The Zenomorph may vary slightly depending on host but never by much as you can see from the Alien 3 movie.

Prometheus is an entertaining movie but as a modern sci-fi film with big names behind it, it is a bit of a let-down. Both District 9 and Cloverfield are better movies (if you get pass the shakey-cam).
You may not have noticed this, but the Xenomorph changes throughout the series, especially when it comes from a new creature. That part is 100% consistent with the series. The one in Prometheus is alien + Engineer. The one in Alien 3 is alien + dog or ox (depends on the version). The one at the end of Alien Resurrection is one that was blended with human DNA and has a human face. The concept is that they seem to adapt to different species like some kind of multi-cellular macro virus that's compatible with almost any DNA on a complete organism, rather than cellular, level. It helps explain how the fractured seeded DNA can come back together into a human (like viral phages) and it shows how the seeding technology is related to the weaponized tech.

So I rewatched Alien over the weekend first, I was somewhat suprised to see it was the same Ship that crashed on LV-426 as the engineer ship (Neat).

Alien is a far superior movie..so good. At any rate..Ash (David's counterpart so to speak) behaves similarly to David in the fact he just bypasses quarantine and lets the alien on the ship.

Also Weyland/Yutani KNEW there was alien eggs ("Organism") on the planet as the ship recieved instructions to stop and investigate.

As discussed many times: They were out of contact with Earth. It was a pre-existing directive that Mother, the ship's computer, was following. Their contracts were written to require action in any such encounter, but the computer's programming took it beyond the contract which showed that the company secretly had no regard for employee life when it came to such a valuable opportunity. Anyway, it's the same TYPE of ship, but not actually the same one.
 

Axon

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You may not have noticed this, but the Xenomorph changes throughout the series, especially when it comes from a new creature. That part is 100% consistent with the series. The one in Prometheus is alien + Engineer. The one in Alien 3 is alien + dog or ox (depends on the version). The one at the end of Alien Resurrection is one that was blended with human DNA and has a human face. The concept is that they seem to adapt to different species like some kind of multi-cellular macro virus that's compatible with almost any DNA on a complete organism, rather than cellular, level. It helps explain how the fractured seeded DNA can come back together into a human (like viral phages) and it shows how the seeding technology is related to the weaponized tech.

The Alien in Prometheus looked like a far less evolved version of the critter we know and love.
 
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You may not have noticed this, but the Xenomorph changes throughout the series, especially when it comes from a new creature. That part is 100% consistent with the series. The one in Prometheus is alien + Engineer. The one in Alien 3 is alien + dog or ox (depends on the version). The one at the end of Alien Resurrection is one that was blended with human DNA and has a human face. The concept is that they seem to adapt to different species like some kind of multi-cellular macro virus that's compatible with almost any DNA on a complete organism, rather than cellular, level. It helps explain how the fractured seeded DNA can come back together into a human (like viral phages) and it shows how the seeding technology is related to the weaponized tech.

the alien/human "baby" was the result of a deliberate attempt in that movie. there have been plenty of aliens bursting from the chests of humans and none of them deviated from the classic xenomorph type.

anyway, you can't take them too seriously, since there are major problems with the aliens:
1. incredible hulk syndrome - where does all the extra mass come from? the hulk feeds on banner's anger, aliens feed on their victims' fear.
2. endless drool, see #1
3. ridiculous reproductive system is only there to facilitate face-raping and demon birth. 4 stages and 3 separate creatures to get 1 adult? please.
4. mouth within a mouth is there because a penis wouldn't make it past the censors
 

Skel

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Has it ever been said what, if anything the aliens do with the body post-chestbuster? I remember seeing the corpse but there's nothing saying the aliens don't eat the body after it's served it's roll creating a new alien.
 

ImpulsE69

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Has it ever been said what, if anything the aliens do with the body post-chestbuster? I remember seeing the corpse but there's nothing saying the aliens don't eat the body after it's served it's roll creating a new alien.

Originally (but cut from the final film) in Alien, the bodies were cacooned and actually turned into the eggs to create a new facehugger. They actually filmed this part where Ripley finds Dallas turning into an egg.

Since this wasn't officially in the film at the time, when Aliens came out, James Cameron made a change that made the eggs laid by a queen like ants.

In Alien 3, there is a scene where many people believe the Alien is eating one of it's victims, but no one knows for sure.

The general flow of all the movies though is that the victims are taken back and cacooned to be hosts for chestbursters. They never really show anyone being actually eaten, although you would think with 2 sets of teeth that would be the case.
 

SphinxnihpS

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As discussed many times: They were out of contact with Earth. It was a pre-existing directive that Mother, the ship's computer, was following. Their contracts were written to require action in any such encounter, but the computer's programming took it beyond the contract which showed that the company secretly had no regard for employee life when it came to such a valuable opportunity. Anyway, it's the same TYPE of ship, but not actually the same one.

This is a bad assumption. A better assumption is that "The Company" knew about the type and nature of the creature to be found, which is why Ash was placed on the mission.

A brief read of Starbeast makes this abundantly clear, though it is repeatedly implied within Alien itself in many ways.

imo the only way to view Alien is in the vacuum of Alien, completely discarding ALL followup story by OTHER AUTHORS.

Alien is a creation of the authors of Starbeast married to the work, both literary and visual, of HR Giger by Ridley Scott. Any subsequent material added to the mythology by the writers and directors of other films is completely invalid. Scott not holding this attitude while making Prometheus is Prometheus' largest downfall.
 

SphinxnihpS

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Originally (but cut from the final film) in Alien, the bodies were cacooned and actually turned into the eggs to create a new facehugger. They actually filmed this part where Ripley finds Dallas turning into an egg.

Since this wasn't officially in the film at the time, when Aliens came out, James Cameron made a change that made the eggs laid by a queen like ants.

In Alien 3, there is a scene where many people believe the Alien is eating one of it's victims, but no one knows for sure.

The general flow of all the movies though is that the victims are taken back and cacooned to be hosts for chestbursters. They never really show anyone being actually eaten, although you would think with 2 sets of teeth that would be the case.

 

SP33Demon

Lifer
Jun 22, 2001
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First question, if you aren't a nerd/geek why are you on this site? Most people that post here are fairly smart, you obviously aren't so your opinion will be different. You should go find a website where people who are more on your "level" post.

Second question, will you ever want to watch this movie again?

I'm glad my post hit a nerve, whiner.

Nerdrage doesn't imply I'm not a nerd, for the mental midgets out there (you) who cannot discern between the assumption of a nerd and nerdrage. Go watch Wall-E (since you loved it so much) again, and discuss it where "people more on your level post". Maybe your brain will shit out an epiphany that 8 year olds could not?

And just to piss you, and all of the faux intellectual theorist wannabes in this thread, off:
Cry more. Also, I bet all of you nerdragers will see the sequel (and/or buy the Director's cut dvd) regardless of your incessant whining that everything wasn't tied into a neat little bow for you. In the end, Scott still wins by taking your money whether you're happy or nerdraging about the movie.

PS: I will be watching it again, and buying the Blu-Ray to add to the experience. The truth hurts that you will do the same, regardless of your self proclaimed intellectual prowess and crybaby analysis of the movie. Because to not do this (buy the Blu-Ray, watch the sequel) would mean that I have affected your invested interests (obvious by your posting 700+ posts deep) in the movie, something that you don't want to admit out of spite. Give in to the dark side, and let the hate flow through you (and into Scott's bank account).
 
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