Rig for "Gamer girl", eldest daughter of other friend?

[epsilon84]

Seriously? This post is enough to make one's head explode. You did read the thread right? It is for a high end build. Ryzen 1600 is an absurd choice for this. In fact the availability of Coffee Lake has moved the 1600 from a very viable *budget* gaming cpu to a very difficult processor to recommend, IMO. Even the i5 8400 is faster. Not to mention the availability of the 8700 and 8700k. In fact, a high end build screams for an 8700 or 8700k. The only possible advantage Ryzen has is the availability of 8 slower cores, which *might* make it relatively more competitive in streaming, but my choice would still be 8700 or 8700k, without a doubt. It will be a clearly superior gaming processor in everything but streaming, and with 6 fast cores with hyperthreading, I think streaming performance will be very good as well.

There will always be people recomending the 1600/1600X for the 'cheap but good enough' tag, it's a viable option for budget builds certainly, due to the cheaper price of the B350 motherboards. However, for a high end build I would agree with you, the i5 8400 makes it somewhat redundant as a gaming option unless streaming, and even then, I should point out that Gamers Nexus uses a very high bitrate (10Mbps IIRC) for their streaming benchmarks which is very CPU intensive and will obviously favour the higher threaded CPUs.

However, if using a 5Mbps bitrate for streaming, the CPU overhead is far less and even an i5 8400 can outperform a Ryzen 7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agcwU1ImIqE (at 2:26 for DOTA and PUBG streaming benchmarks)

Of course, a 8700/8700K should be the default choice for a high end $1500 build, but you can get away with an i5 8400 which is fast enough to push any GPU except perhaps a 1080 Ti @ 1080P without bottlenecking.

 

[Crono]

I wouldn't mind seeing a cheaper CPU cooler to go with a larger SSD. The thing is that 250GB is more than enough for windows with some programs and all the extra junk that gets tossed on the OS drive. However, when you start adding large games to it, things get a bit harrier. To give you an idea, this PC that I'm typing from uses two 256GB SSDs (one for OS, one for games). Now, it had a recent reinstall of Windows, so the OS drive is quite clean with 197/237GB free; however, the games SSD is 56/238GB free, and it mostly just has the Blizzard games on it! In my last build, I used a 250/500 for OS/Games, and in my latest build, I went 250/1000.

I wouldn't disagree (necessary double negative ). I listed a 250GB SSD + 3TB HDD, but that would only be the better option if she needs a lot of games (some are pushing up to 100GB now) and/or media storage, in which case 250/256GB would be plenty for just the OS and applications, and 3TB would hold a decent number of games and media (though of course some people need even more than that).

If she doesn't need all that many large games installed all the time, I completely agree, a larger SSD would be better. 512GB and even 1TB M.2 SSDs (under $300 now - when did that happen?) have become affordable options even for mid-range builds.

 

[ZGR]

There will always be people recomending the 1600/1600X for the 'cheap but good enough' tag, it's a viable option for budget builds certainly, due to the cheaper price of the B350 motherboards. However, for a high end build I would agree with you, the i5 8400 makes it somewhat redundant as a gaming option unless streaming, and even then, I should point out that Gamers Nexus uses a very high bitrate (10Mbps IIRC) for their streaming benchmarks which is very CPU intensive and will obviously favour the higher threaded CPUs.

However, if using a 5Mbps bitrate for streaming, the CPU overhead is far less and even an i5 8400 can outperform a Ryzen 7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agcwU1ImIqE (at 2:26 for DOTA and PUBG streaming benchmarks)

Of course, a 8700/8700K should be the default choice for a high end $1500 build, but you can get away with an i5 8400 which is fast enough to push any GPU except perhaps a 1080 Ti @ 1080P without bottlenecking.

Having gotten to play many games on Ryzen builds I can easily say the premium to the i5-8400 is absolutely NOT worth it unless you can snag everything at MSRP. The R5 1600 + B350 + Fast and Tight DDR4 is the perfect system for a new PC gamer. Even at 144hz, Ryzen can keep up in most titles just fine. If it can't then Intel's K processors are the only answer here. Heck, I know a few people that still game at 144hz on Bulldozer! The problem with overclocking is that the vast majority of people are scared of it. The only K CPU that is clocked relatively high is the i7-8700k.

The IPC advantage that Skylake has over Ryzen is so small it is laughable, especially when both have fast RAM. A few hundred MHz will not be noticeable, but 1 GHz is. So manual overclock with the i5-8600k, buy the i7-8700k and turn on MCE, or just get an R5 1600.

Newegg even has decent prebuilts of Ryzen + GTX 1060/RX 580 below $900. For the $1400+ bracket, I recommend Coffee Lake K + GTX 1070 ti/RX 56.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Newegg even has decent prebuilts of Ryzen + GTX 1060/RX 580 below $900.

Links? Something to consider, at least.

 

[ZGR]

Links? Something to consider, at least.

Newegg link expired but I like this one from Staples:

https://www.staples.com/product_2758190

I also like this i7 8700k + 1080 prebuilt price

https://slickdeals.net/f/10743483-i...for-1468-70?src=SiteSearchV2_SearchBarV2Algo1

But both builds have issues to me, but they look to be easily fixable.

Seems like every week the $850 refurbished R5 1600 + RX 580 build goes out of stock from Newegg, but there is a new $900 one with a GTX 1060 3GB I cannot find.

 

[scannall]

OK, a $1600 build, that manages to get a 1080ti in it.

$1600 Build

 

[USER8000]

How old is the person the rig is being built for?? Also what games??

 

[Campy]

There will always be people recomending the 1600/1600X for the 'cheap but good enough' tag, it's a viable option for budget builds certainly, due to the cheaper price of the B350 motherboards. However, for a high end build I would agree with you, the i5 8400 makes it somewhat redundant as a gaming option unless streaming, and even then, I should point out that Gamers Nexus uses a very high bitrate (10Mbps IIRC) for their streaming benchmarks which is very CPU intensive and will obviously favour the higher threaded CPUs.

However, if using a 5Mbps bitrate for streaming, the CPU overhead is far less and even an i5 8400 can outperform a Ryzen 7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agcwU1ImIqE (at 2:26 for DOTA and PUBG streaming benchmarks)

Of course, a 8700/8700K should be the default choice for a high end $1500 build, but you can get away with an i5 8400 which is fast enough to push any GPU except perhaps a 1080 Ti @ 1080P without bottlenecking.

Interesting. I knew the GN tests had too high bitrate as i mentioned earlier in the thread, but I would still think the ryzens did a little bit better in streaming than this. Dota has been known to run badly on amd and pubg is pretty unoptimized(maybe bad multithreading?) so I don't know if those are the best games to extrapolate performance to every game. I really wish there were more games in the streaming tests for this video. However, considering how popular pubg is, it's definitely worth taking into consideration since it may be a likely use scenario.

New list, now with intel and without monitor https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f3LR2R

 

[Crono]

AnandTech "Best CPUs for Gaming 2017" article is up:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/9793/best-cpus

 

[IRobot23]

There will always be people recomending the 1600/1600X for the 'cheap but good enough' tag, it's a viable option for budget builds certainly, due to the cheaper price of the B350 motherboards. However, for a high end build I would agree with you, the i5 8400 makes it somewhat redundant as a gaming option unless streaming, and even then, I should point out that Gamers Nexus uses a very high bitrate (10Mbps IIRC) for their streaming benchmarks which is very CPU intensive and will obviously favour the higher threaded CPUs.

However, if using a 5Mbps bitrate for streaming, the CPU overhead is far less and even an i5 8400 can outperform a Ryzen 7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agcwU1ImIqE (at 2:26 for DOTA and PUBG streaming benchmarks)

Of course, a 8700/8700K should be the default choice for a high end $1500 build, but you can get away with an i5 8400 which is fast enough to push any GPU except perhaps a 1080 Ti @ 1080P without bottlenecking.

SMT does really help for streaming and six cores might have some problems. Anyway I would use iGPU on i5 8400, but if you are going to stream on CPU then go with R5 1600/X.

For the note, that guy cut heat pipes on GPU just to make it shorter (to fit in case).

 

[William Gaatjes]

I think the R5 1600 (non OC)/asrock AB350M uatx is a good idea. By the time that the cpu becomes a weakness, the next model ryzen are long available and cheap. At that time, a higher clocked 8 core version might be still very well suited as a viable not to expensive upgrade.

I am going to go that route as well within a few weeks . I will go for a R5 1600 with (2x4) 8GB of DDR4 memory. That will keep me happy for at least a year.
By the time that the ryzen 2 (12nm) versions are out, available and stable(agesa / bios /drivers) , i will probably have a need to upgrade again and can go for a higher clocked 6 core or 8 core model also within a 65w tdp model. And i will upgrade the DDR4 ram from( 2x4) 8GB to (2x8) 16GB. AMD has provided a good means for a not all to expensive but viable upgrade path for at least 2 years.
Socket AM4 seems to stay along for a while.

 

[IRobot23]

AnandTech "Best CPUs for Gaming 2017" article is up:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/9793/best-cpus

That DDR4 price make my heart cry

 

[VirtualLarry]

https://officedepot.shoplocal.com/o...4187&languageid=1&pagenumber=1&mode=bbpsingle

Dell Inspiron 5675

Ryzen 5 1400
8GB DDR4
RX 570 4GB
1TB HDD
case/psu/DVD drive, legit Windows 10.

Delivered to your door for $699.99.

 

[XavierMace]

HP Power Desktop
i5 7400
8Gb Ram
GTX1060 (3Gb)
1TB HDD

$499 at WalMart for Black Friday. If you're the type that doesn't mind braving WalMart on Black Friday, I'd say that's a much better deal considering the $200 price difference.

 

[VirtualLarry]

$499 at WalMart for Black Friday. If you're the type that doesn't mind braving WalMart on Black Friday, I'd say that's a much better deal considering the $200 price difference.

In my younger years, I wouldn't mind the cold, and the stampedes of people, but now? Forget it.

(I did snag a few laptops over the years from Walmart during BF season for cheap, including one for my mom.)

https://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-Pavil...GB-Memory-1TB-Hard-Drive-Windows-10/803136621

Edit: If I can get the cash together, I might try to snag that WM $500 gaming desktop PC. Just for grins. And if my friend wants it, the price is $800.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I was doing some part-shopping (browsing) last night.

Geil "Super Luce" RGB 16GB DDR4-3000 kit, $142.99 for white, $149.99 for black

Intel i3-8100 $129.99 + $0.99 ship

Asus Z370 ROG Strix-G (or was it F) ATX mobo $169.99

Sapphire Pulse ITX RX 570 4GB "shortie" card, $209.99 + $4.99 ship

$665 so far

case $60
PSU $70

Samsung 850 EVO 500GB $139.99
or
Intel 545s 512GB $149.99 (sold out)

$950 so far

 

[whm1974]

I was doing some part-shopping (browsing) last night.

Geil "Super Luce" RGB 16GB DDR4-3000 kit, $142.99 for white, $149.99 for black

Intel i3-8100 $129.99 + $0.99 ship

Asus Z370 ROG Strix-G (or was it F) ATX mobo $169.99

Sapphire Pulse ITX RX 570 4GB "shortie" card, $209.99 + $4.99 ship

$665 so far

case $60
PSU $70

Samsung 850 EVO 500GB $139.99
or
Intel 545s 512GB $149.99 (sold out)

$950 so far

$950 isn't bad for that kind of build, although if I shelling out that kind of money for my kid I fully expect him/her to do other things besides gaming. Maybe learn Blender or Inkscape?

 

[IRobot23]

I was doing some part-shopping (browsing) last night.

Geil "Super Luce" RGB 16GB DDR4-3000 kit, $142.99 for white, $149.99 for black

Intel i3-8100 $129.99 + $0.99 ship

Asus Z370 ROG Strix-G (or was it F) ATX mobo $169.99

Sapphire Pulse ITX RX 570 4GB "shortie" card, $209.99 + $4.99 ship

$665 so far

case $60
PSU $70

Samsung 850 EVO 500GB $139.99
or
Intel 545s 512GB $149.99 (sold out)

$950 so far

r5 + b350 + ddr4 3000.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Well, said friend is being a PITA. I built him a refurb-PC-based gaming rig, that he's happy with, that cost me like $400 in parts, and I'm selling it to him for $350. So, I told him initially, that I'd take $50/mo towards it, but he said, "nah man, I'll give you $50/wk, now that I got a new job". So, he HAS BEEN giving me $50/wk, which is good, so I sort of counted on that, and this weekend, he said, "sorry, no dice, no money for you this week, going BF shopping with my kids". (Well, paraphrased.)

Arg.

So, now I'm having second thoughts about building him a PC for his eldest daughter. Would you? I'm at least going to refuse to do it until he finishes paying me back for the PC I built for him.

But if he's going to be a PITA with me over that, will he be a PITA, and want to return the gaming PC for his eldest daughter, if I build it, if some game doesn't run "perfectly" on it? Even if he signs off on the parts?

Maybe I should just point them towards a pre-built, wash my hands of it, and charge a small "finders fee" for picking it out for them?

 

[whm1974]

Well, said friend is being a PITA. I built him a refurb-PC-based gaming rig, that he's happy with, that cost me like $400 in parts, and I'm selling it to him for $350. So, I told him initially, that I'd take $50/mo towards it, but he said, "nah man, I'll give you $50/wk, now that I got a new job". So, he HAS BEEN giving me $50/wk, which is good, so I sort of counted on that, and this weekend, he said, "sorry, no dice, no money for you this week, going BF shopping with my kids". (Well, paraphrased.)

Arg.

So, now I'm having second thoughts about building him a PC for his eldest daughter. Would you? I'm at least going to refuse to do it until he finishes paying me back for the PC I built for him.

But if he's going to be a PITA with me over that, will he be a PITA, and want to return the gaming PC for his eldest daughter, if I build it, if some game doesn't run "perfectly" on it? Even if he signs off on the parts?

Maybe I should just point them towards a pre-built, wash my hands of it, and charge a small "finders fee" for picking it out for them?

Just tell them to get a decent pre-built and tell them to slap a 1050Ti in it.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Just tell them to get a decent pre-built and tell them to slap a 1050Ti in it.

The way he tells me is, she already has a "decent" gaming laptop ($1200? $1500?) laptop that her Mom or Grandmother bought her last year, so I think he wants something "better" to show them up. So no, a rig with a 1050ti's not going to do it.

Is there any particular better site with a CFL 6-core, or Ryzen 5 1600X or better, with a GTX1070 or better, for $1200-1500?

 

[jcwagers]

It sounds to me like this "friend" as well as some of the others, are only interested in what you can do for them. They look for something top notch where you foot the bill and they get a payment plan or something else where you end up being the one that gets hassled over it. These people don't seem to appreciate anything you do for them.......and I know you do it to try to help them. Perhaps it's time to stop helping them.....and try to help some people who actually appreciate what you try to do.

In this situation, I would let past deals be past deals. However, from this point going on, I would be firm. Show him the build before you do it and make sure that he agrees. Once he agrees, that's it. You do the build, you deliver the pc, and you get your money. If he's not happy, too bad. He agreed to it and now it's his. If there is tech support needed, you can work that out.....but if he agreed to the build and you build it and he decides that 'he doesn't like it" or "it's not good enough", that's his problem. You did your part and the rest is on him. I know you want to help Larry but the best way to help is to stop letting these people treat you like a doormat.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I know you want to help Larry but the best way to help is to stop letting these people treat you like a doormat.

Yeah, that's kind of the story of my life.

It seems that most of my non-fake friends passed away. I've lost three so far, all due to health issues.

Maybe that's harsh, they're not totally fake, but they kind of use me sometimes.

 

[jcwagers]

They use you a lot. That's really unfair and I hope you find a way to put a stop to it. You treat them fairly and you deserve the same.

 

[Markfw]

The way he tells me is, she already has a "decent" gaming laptop ($1200? $1500?) laptop that her Mom or Grandmother bought her last year, so I think he wants something "better" to show them up. So no, a rig with a 1050ti's not going to do it.

Is there any particular better site with a CFL 6-core, or Ryzen 5 1600X or better, with a GTX1070 or better, for $1200-1500?

That build above says $1600, but I clicked on it, and it $975 with a 1600x and a 1080TI and 3200 memory. Looks like the best build I have seen for the money

Edit: video card has no price. but even at $700, that would be a killer $1700 build.